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BattleMaster => Locals => Beluaterra => Topic started by: Woelfy on February 18, 2012, 08:55:20 PM
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Okay, I'm gonna let you guys give me a breakdown of why your realms are better than your competitors or allies. Don't you feel lucky?!?
I'll be emigrating my character from hammarsett, and looking for a good chance at wealth, fame, glory, and the other usual noble accoutrements.
So, spiel away my friends!
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Thalmarkin of course.
There's gold, there's glory, there's a massive well-sponsored mobile force. There might not be the most opportunity for advancement at the moment with most positions filled with good people but all positions are elected and the general is elected monthly so there's no nepotism there and you can always give it a go against our current general... ;)
We've also got roughly half of our entire nobility in the extended council so it's not /that/ hard to get more involved if you show promise.
We proud ourselves in our hardliner anti-invader stances and military prowess, not to mention our supernatural drinking capabilities.
Oh and our capital is pretty much right next to the blight, so even if they don't stay for long, we're always close to the action and often first to chase. :)
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Join Old Grehk. We're large, have one of the largest and most sustainable armies on the continent, and frankly, due to our middle location and lack of border with the Blight, assuming BT survives we're in the most likely position to expand. Either into the territories of fallen allies (which we hope isn't the case) or into Fronen assuming they survive. People also have a tendency of rising faster in OG than many of our neighboring realms.
We've also been able to fight off two former allies backstabbing us and joining Fronen in their hunger for our lands. Only reason Thalmarkin exists now is because OG and Melhed let it exist!
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Don't join OG. Join Thalmarkin. OG is full of greedy self serving bastards! Ask any other realm what they've done when all other realms were fighting in the south!
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Only reason Thalmarkin exists now is because OG and Melhed let it exist!
But who surrendered to the undead and who fought them till the end? 8)
That's pretty much the only reason OG and Melhed have had the opportunity to crush Thalmarkin at that particular time. ;)
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We survived and I'd say it worked out -quite- well for us. While Thalmarkin was begging us for land and food. :p
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Someone able to give an estimate on number of active nobles for those two realms?
I'm ambitious, as well I think you recall Lorgan, and am definitely looking for somewhere that promotion is possible.
Sorry for the interruption to the mudslinging, recommence!
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Nothing like a good mudslinging between a former OG/Rio colony and one of its parents!
Both our realms have 35 nobles. As for "active". Depends what you define as such. Mostly doing the talking/participating? No more than 10 to 15 in OG. And those are usually the ones spotted and either promoted or shunned, depending what they're saying! The rest are quiet but mostly follow orders.
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We survived and I'd say it worked out -quite- well for us. While Thalmarkin was begging us for land and food. :p
It worked out good for us too. :) Soon we'll blow away the blight and we'll become as giant as Ar Agyr at it's height. We'd just need Vatrona... ;)
Actually the only ones for who it didn't work out well are Fronen and Enweil.
But I wouldn't call 30 gold/100 bushels begging exactly. It's not expensive but it's not exactly cheap either. And keep in mind that we were paying that price while having been driven back to only our capital /and/ still maintaining 17,000 CS on that city alone, 10,000 of that mobile. Whenever the undead were away for a while, our army would retake a few of our regions. It really was an epic fight for survival and principles. We would've lost it if it wasn't for the Archons, that's very true but for one: the whole continent would probably have lost the fight if it wasn't for the Archons and two: we came out of it stronger, we waited our time then expanded and replaced the many, many good RCs we lost with captured better ones from Vore. :)
And then there were also the semi-regular shipments from Sint of 100 gold/1000 bushels. That is where the diplomatic outlook of the post invasion era was made. OG and Sint scored good points with us, Fronen scored bad points, so we went with Sint and OG after the invasion.
Anyway, as for active nobles... dunno... a whole bunch. We've got pretty damn good movement rates I hear so I assume we're doing ok there. :)
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Nothoi has the most crazy/acre as well as being a borderline anarchy half the time.
It actually works better then you'd think and we love stomping around. If you want good chances for crusades and war and glory, Nothoi is the most likely to give you the means to get stuck in constantly.
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Fheuv'n: surrounded by blight, always kept busy by the rogues, and always on the fence about whether the daimons or Riombara are the greater evil.
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Fheuv'n: surrounded by blight, always kept busy by the rogues, and always on the fence about whether the daimons or Riombara are the greater evil.
Switch "Riombara" and "Fheuv'n" one for the other in the previous phrase, and you've got Riombara's description.
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Join Melhed! We're not the other guys!
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Well, seeing as Nothoi is the daimons next target, I'll wager you'll have some fun there.
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All those Realms are just fighting Daimons, how boring! Join Riombara! Fight Daimons and Humans, anything that stands in our way!
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Shocked that a Rio member would call anything with a Chenier attached to it "human"!
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I think it's due my time spend with Machiavel in D'Hara before this :)
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I think it's due my time spend with Machiavel in D'Hara before this :)
Hey, that guy consorted with daimons too! :P
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Okay, a rather pertinent question inbound... Sorry for the interruption, yet again ;)
Which realm can assure me a good income quickly, and then access to combat within two days? I'd like to make this character an infil eventually, and I plan on needing that honor...
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Or, which realm would be willing to support an infil in training? Yet another good question I suppose...
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Yes, Rio can!
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Okay, a rather pertinent question inbound... Sorry for the interruption, yet again ;)
Which realm can assure me a good income quickly, and then access to combat within two days? I'd like to make this character an infil eventually, and I plan on needing that honor...
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Or, which realm would be willing to support an infil in training? Yet another good question I suppose...
Yes, Rio can!
Proof that Riombarans are filthy liars.
This is an invasion. If you want to train as an infil, you are thinking of the wrong continent. Rio will be dead long before you could do anything of use as an infil.
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How is that proof? As a player, I can surely say you can get a good income in Riombara and should be able to get access to combat rather quickly. That's what he asked.
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How is that proof? As a player, I can surely say you can get a good income in Riombara and should be able to get access to combat rather quickly. That's what he asked.
"Which realm can support infil training" - > "Rio can".
No realm can support infil training.
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Which realm can assure me a good income quickly, and then access to combat within two days? I'd like to make this character an infil eventually, and I plan on needing that honor...
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Or, which realm would be willing to support an infil in training? Yet another good question I suppose...
Yes, Rio can, on the first question.
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Yes, Rio can, on the first question.
I see the second question as a reformulation of the first. Gold and battle were asked for the sake of being an infiltrator.
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It doesn't look to me like he's asking to sit around and train in the academy all day.
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It doesn't look to me like he's asking to sit around and train in the academy all day.
Why else would he need gold, and how else would he become a useful infil?
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By starting to train sword skill now with lots of battles.
Anyway, I know for a fact that some of our nobles in Thalmarkin are still training skills... I don't think it's ideal but they're doing it with their own gold and it's no business of mine as long as they're useful to the realm. The days of "counting coppers" are over. :)
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Chénier, I understand the miscommunication and apologize for it.
I'd like to be able to field a decent unit so that the honor gain goes faster. BT is the best place for constant action in my opinion, and that would help me get the buffer of honor I want with my character. I do not plan on sitting around all day training on BT, by any stretch of the imagination. I merely want to know which realm would give me the best available option for going down the path of the cloak and dagger again.
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By starting to train sword skill now with lots of battles.
Anyway, I know for a fact that some of our nobles in Thalmarkin are still training skills... I don't think it's ideal but they're doing it with their own gold and it's no business of mine as long as they're useful to the realm. The days of "counting coppers" are over. :)
Roughly a third of Thalmarkans are Heroes whose sword skills translate to increased CS (Theoretically).
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If you want combat come to the north, we have the majority of the Daimon troopleaders up here now.
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Roughly a third of Thalmarkans are Heroes whose sword skills translate to increased CS (Theoretically).
So roughly a third of the Thalmarkinians are training in the academy and I just keep paying for all those units... ;D
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Proof that Riombarans are filthy liars.
This is an invasion. If you want to train as an infil, you are thinking of the wrong continent. Rio will be dead long before you could do anything of use as an infil.
Which realm can assure me a good income quickly, and then access to combat within two days? I'd like to make this character an infil eventually, and I plan on needing that honor...
Yes, Rio can!
I see the second question as a reformulation of the first. Gold and battle were asked for the sake of being an infiltrator.
Or, which realm would be willing to support an infil in training? Yet another good question I suppose...
If I had wanted to answer the second question I'd have written "Yes, Riombara would".
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So roughly a third of the Thalmarkinians are training in the academy and I just keep paying for all those units... ;D
Your tax dollars at work! "But if we have a surplus, he won't give us as much next week...!"
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Roughly a third of Thalmarkans are Heroes whose sword skills translate to increased CS (Theoretically).
Are you sure about the CS boost? When I became a hero my displayed CS certainly didn't increase, and I can't recall it increasing when I was training sword fighting either.
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I'm really not, but it's implied in the wiki and I'm fairly positive the CS of my lone hero's unit went up by around 20 after she recently trained and improved swordsmanship. Special Forces, though, so that's a really small percentage of the total CS.
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You could come to Fronen, but the realm is pretty quiet unfortunately. We got housed before the invasion and some of the old timers like Carnes and Carmel just kind of faded into the background a bit. They're still around but don't say much anymore. On the other hand, Fronen is in a precarious diplomatic position and being bullied shamelessly by Old Grehk. They took advantage of the Invasion to steal Wudenkin from us and very likely have no intention of giving it back despite saying they would. High potential for future wars that are likely to be at long odds in valiant defense against a more powerful aggressor. Also, anyone taking an interest in things is likely to get promotions and what not very quickly. I'm definitely on the lookout for someone with a bit of drive and ambition to get involved in Marshaling and hopefully win a seat in the Senate as well.
Assuming any of us survive the Invasion, that is.
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They took advantage of the Invasion to steal Wudenkin from us and very likely have no intention of giving it back despite saying they would.
Hah. My char in Thal better doesn't find out about that. OG is losing credit by the day... reminds me of /someone/ last invasion. Didn't end so well.
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They took advantage of the Invasion to steal Wudenkin from us and very likely have no intention of giving it back despite saying they would.
That would be why Malos has had to give up his estate in Wudenkin, then. ::)
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Hah. My char in Thal better doesn't find out about that. OG is losing credit by the day... reminds me of /someone/ last invasion. Didn't end so well.
Because we have been the defenders of the North we are losing credit by the day? We have been chasing the damned daimons around since before the North and South were cut off. We chased them away from Thalmarkin and we have been battling them in Nothoi. If you would rather us act as Fronen and its allies did and ally with the invaders, please say so.
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Because we have been the defenders of the North we are losing credit by the day? We have been chasing the damned daimons around since before the North and South were cut off. We chased them away from Thalmarkin and we have been battling them in Nothoi. If you would rather us act as Fronen and its allies did and ally with the invaders, please say so.
Sint also took Gethsemene while it was rogue during the third invasion, it didn't give them any entitlement to the region in my opinion, as you well know. ;)
Anyway, if OG keeps her word, there is no credit lost, if you don't, well then you don't have to be surprised about it.
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Because we have been the defenders of the North we are losing credit by the day? We have been chasing the damned daimons around since before the North and South were cut off. We chased them away from Thalmarkin and we have been battling them in Nothoi. If you would rather us act as Fronen and its allies did and ally with the invaders, please say so.
We only allied with the daimons because Riombara was running after the monsters to help them destroy us.
Of course, Rio are your allies, so it's okay for them.
It's also okay that your allies Sint used the daimons against others two invasions ago. These were bad people, right?
And Melhed who allied the undead and threatened their neighbours to do the same or else? They are northerners, they must be good.
But Enweil allying the daimons for the sole purpose of fighting monsters? Blasphemy! Oh! The great evil that cannot be pardoned!
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And Melhed who allied the undead and threatened their neighbours to do the same or else? They are northerners, they must be good.
Melhed was forced into that alliance against many protests. The ruler had to step down, and then, thanks to the Senate, Thalmarkin and Melhed had such strained relations, we almost went to war.
Fortunately, Shae ran unopposed and took over on the promise that she'd disband the Senate, something Soren couldn't do. Then Soren came back a couple of elections later, and was free to do as he pleased. Now relations are much better, even if Soren's a bit crazy. :P
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Because we have been the defenders of the North we are losing credit by the day? We have been chasing the damned daimons around since before the North and South were cut off. We chased them away from Thalmarkin and we have been battling them in Nothoi. If you would rather us act as Fronen and its allies did and ally with the invaders, please say so.
To my knowledge, and I have been around since before the Fourth Invasion, Fronen has never allied with or made agreements with Invaders. Ever. Under any circumstances. Which is more than some of the realms that constantly accuse it of doing so can say.
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That would be why Malos has had to give up his estate in Wudenkin, then. ::)
Well, we'll see. My instinct tells me that King Michael is intentionally dragging things out, as he has been making excuses continuously for why he can't come to Wudenkin since the deadline passed. Some of them are reasonable, but others have not been. I naturally assume that this is because ultimately he doesn't plan to give it back at all. Then again, maybe he's just trying to squeeze a little extra gold out of it before he's forced to return it. Either way he's not really acting in good faith, which leads me to question his intentions.
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Well, we'll see. My instinct tells me that King Michael is intentionally dragging things out, as he has been making excuses continuously for why he can't come to Wudenkin since the deadline passed. Some of them are reasonable, but others have not been. I naturally assume that this is because ultimately he doesn't plan to give it back at all. Then again, maybe he's just trying to squeeze a little extra gold out of it before he's forced to return it. Either way he's not really acting in good faith, which leads me to question his intentions.
The duke could switch allegiance, and step down.
Easiest thing in the world to do.
They just don't want to respect their promise. Huge surprise that is.
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The duke could switch allegiance, and step down.
Easiest thing in the world to do.
They just don't want to respect their promise. Huge surprise that is.
If I was a Duke I would never do that, it just seems like something that goes against the concept of oaths. Better to step down and let the ruler hand over the region if the Duke is even okay with giving up his holding.
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If I was a Duke I would never do that, it just seems like something that goes against the concept of oaths. Better to step down and let the ruler hand over the region if the Duke is even okay with giving up his holding.
I don't see it that way. He is a vassal of the crown, fulfilling his sovereign's promise to hand over the city he administers.
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I don't see it that way. He is a vassal of the crown, fulfilling his sovereign's promise to hand over the city he administers.
He is basically giving up one oath, swearing another only to give that one up and return to something like his old oath. That isn't simply handing over a city.
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More to the point, I don't actually want a Turner in my realm for any length of time, no matter how brief. The King of OG naturally appointed another one of his characters as Duke.
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Don't you worry. No Grehkian would ever want to be considered a Fronenite for even a moment.
/me shudders at the very thought.
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Well, if you don't mind you Dwi chars getting key info of the invasion before your BT char does, then sure, you can join Riombara or Sint. I heard they are good for those kinds of things.
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Oddly enough, my Dwilight character has seen Overlords letter. My BT character, the general of Sint, has not. I haven't checked my messages in the past 9 or soo hours though...
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Ask them to resign or protest them out of office if they aren't sharing critical information with the realm.
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In a time of war? That's exactly what Overlord wants us to to - divide and conquer.
Actually... he's doing a good enough job of that already.
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Ask them to resign or protest them out of office if they aren't sharing critical information with the realm.
We don't know in game that they're not sharing the information though...
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Riombara just caught on thanks to the General.
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Riombara just caught on thanks to the General.
Mordred is telling Rio more than its ruler is 8)
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@Woelfy- my character on a normal oath pulls in 150 gold per tax in Nothoi, sometimes more. And as of late, we've been having a huge battle every few days.
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That's the kind of info I like to hear lefanis!
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In a time of war? That's exactly what Overlord wants us to to - divide and conquer.
Actually... he's doing a good enough job of that already.
Rio's doing that pretty well for him on their own.
Riombara just caught on thanks to the General.
Rio's general is even worse than their ruler.
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Heh, says IVF :P
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Thal wins. Nothoi was a close second. I'll be seeing you thalmarkians soon.
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Thal wins. Nothoi was a close second. I'll be seeing you thalmarkians soon.
So you join the heathen invader-lovers, then. >:(
Oh, that's right, leading monsters against human realms is only not okay if it's against others than Enweil. 8)
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Thal is good, but kinda overpopulated as of now. Not unlike Riombara, but without the current struggle to survive.
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Oh, that's right, leading monsters against human realms is only not okay if it's against others than Enweil. 8)
Totally true. She just got promoted to VM of one of our armies btw. ;)
Thal is good, but kinda overpopulated as of now. Not unlike Riombara, but without the current struggle to survive.
That's relative. we can easily move some things around... :)
Rio is fun too though.
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Totally true. She just got promoted to VM of one of our armies btw. ;)
Which really comes as zero of a surprise. And people don't understand why Guillaume is so damn cynical, seesh.
That's relative. we can easily move some things around... :)
Rio is fun too though.
I could imagine, lots going on there.