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BattleMaster => BM General Discussion => Topic started by: Miriam Ics on May 14, 2013, 12:28:54 AM
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We have another pool asking "What is your favorite of the BM continents?"
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,149.0/topicseen.html
I want to know which one is the least favorite.
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Least favorite.
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EC sucks.
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Atamara 8)
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I voted Far East. I've never played on the Colonies so I wasn't going to judge that continent and all the othershave brought me far more enjoyment over the years. Maybe I've just had the wrong experiences on FE but even if they'd had been better the map with it's small amount of huge regions is a turn off too.
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I will go wit EC too.
The place is actually a big mess and will only be funny again when the big realms get destroyed. IMO.
Never was at the Colonies, and only one time at Atamara, with a advy that was in jail next day he arrived. I didnt know what to do with him so abandoned him there. He is frozen there since ever.
FEI was ok but boring. I love Dwillight and Beluaterra.
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Atamara sucks. EC is boring, but at least there are wars and there isn't a political gridlock.
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Atamara rocks, atleast for now... not sure how long :D I have played only AT, Dwi and BT... and for these, Dwi was disappointment.
:o
-Jaune
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Atamara rocks, atleast for now... not sure how long :D I have played only AT, Dwi and BT... and for these, Dwi was disappointment.
:o
-Jaune
I'm on Atamara now in a position of some power.
It's extraordinarily dull.
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Atamara sucks! There is no scope for advancement in most realms and the political intrugue is plain boring.
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Atamara is not the place for diplomats and those interested in playing the political game right now. It is a place for the strat gamers and order followers who like the big battles.
Once something breaks, either the MiCE or Darka, things will get more interesting for the diplomats.
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Dwilight.
I've been all around it, in all sorts of position and it has always been boring as heck. Various things have shaped it so there's little room for interesting wars. Part of that is just how the map is laid out, part of it is how realms have shaped up and how a certain religion has spread.
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Dwilight.
I've been all around it, in all sorts of position and it has always been boring as heck. Various things have shaped it so there's little room for interesting wars. Part of that is just how the map is laid out, part of it is how realms have shaped up and how a certain religion has spread.
If you've been all around it, how can SA have prevented you from having any fun?
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If you've been all around it, how can SA have prevented you from having any fun?
Because SA is by definition unfun and anti-fun, obviously.
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Because SA is by definition unfun and anti-fun, obviously.
Yeah, because fragmenting the church is so stagnant... ::)
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Because SA is by definition unfun and anti-fun, obviously.
^This.
I find interesting how SA is so spread but is really not interesting. So far the only real interesting religion was the Golden Feather, when Silverhawk was around. Since he is gone, nothing happen.
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^This.
I find interesting how SA is so spread but is really not interesting. So far the only real interesting religion was the Golden Feather, when Silverhawk was around. Since he is gone, nothing happen.
You do realize that the post you are quoting is being sarcastic, yes? And I'm sorry, but the only thing really holding SA together is the fact that the Prophet is still alive. If he were to die, everything changes. The entire Church would probably split into separate factions.
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If you've been all around it, how can SA have prevented you from having any fun?
Seemed to do a good job of it in Astrum and Morek. The entire north of Dwilight has been locked in peace for lengthy times because of it (save for a few minor scuffles here and there).
The south has had other issues, mostly it's the crappy geography and how the realms shaped up.
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You do realize that the post you are quoting is being sarcastic, yes? And I'm sorry, but the only thing really holding SA together is the fact that the Prophet is still alive. If he were to die, everything changes. The entire Church would probably split into separate factions.
I think there's another thing holding the church together: the fact that being big is fun. I'd hate to see a formal game-mechanics schism, not because it'd weaken the church or my characters, but because it would make intrigues less worthwhile and take away one of the most fun political arenas in BM.
I understand SA can make Dwilight less fun for people more into the strategy side, and maybe for players on the periphery. But for those of us who really like the religious game, the scheming, the politics, the world-creation side, SA is one of the real highlights of BM.
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Let's try to keep it at least vaguely on topic, please. Not every thread has to be about Dwilight.
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Let's try to keep it at least vaguely on topic, please. Not every thread has to be about Dwilight.
We're talking about why we like one continent more than another.
That's on topic.
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No, you're defending SA after someone insulted it. That isn't the same.
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No, you're defending SA after someone insulted it. That isn't the same.
It is when that's the reason why someone doesn't like the continent.
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Arguable, but if it continues this way, it will turn into a thread about nothing but SA, like so many other threads before. It's like some BM-specific version of Godwin's Law. "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving SA or Aurvandil approaches 1."
Perhaps other people would like to talk about something else, rather than having the thread swamped by people who are insulted that anyone could possible dislike SA.
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Arguable, but if it continues this way, it will turn into a thread about nothing but SA, like so many other threads before. It's like some BM-specific version of Godwin's Law. "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving SA or Aurvandil approaches 1."
Perhaps other people would like to talk about something else, rather than having the thread swamped by people who are insulted that anyone could possible dislike SA.
Then talk about something else. Talking about whether or not SA adds to the game is better than no chat at all.
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I've played Atamara, East Continent, Beluaterra, colonies and Dwilight.
Didn't play for too long on EC or BT but the colonies was actually a lot of fun and a far different pace. Really good roleplayers there and the story of the game felt cohesive. I love Atamara, everyone who complains that you can't intrigue or it's gridlocked or blah blah blah forgets that you can't just jump in and start playing whatever you want, there's an extremely long history to Atamara. In the past the roleplaying was better, but nowadays its kinda stale... overall though Atamara has been really fun to play.
Dwilight is my least favourite. It started off great, Everguard got destroyed, I got bummed out, but I didn't rage quit and I played out my character. Nothing. Has happened. At all. SA spreading? Neat. It's completely detrimental to the flow in Dwilight. You can't do anything because you're either of the same faith or someone will contrive a reason to bring down the might of the theocracies on you. There was a lot of potential for Dwilight but it has flopped. I am amazed that theocracies don't fight each other, medieval nobles were always striving for more power and to secure a greater legacy but apparently everyone on Dwilight wants to have a tea party instead of roleplaying medieval nobility.
Dwilight feels like a tea party where we praise the stars and bow curtly to each other. The moment you try to drink your sugar with coffee and cream you're told that's inappropriate and forced to get a black tea instead. And the problem is it has attracted everyone in the game who wants to play tea party, the nonspeakers who don't do anything won't change the status quo, and everyone else is far too content to say "greetings and salutations brother!"
Medieval nobles were only concerned with gaining more power. Anyone who was stagnant found their wine poisoned and titles stolen.
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I think we cannot try to stay strict on topic when we are at BM General Talk. It is general, it will lead to one or other subject and we will discuss many things in the process. SA is a good discussion. Of course we know who will defend it, but we can be surprised at who will disagree.
Disagreements is what makes the world go around, not money. And its good.
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I like your post BarticaBoat.
I never was in Atamara but Tali always told me how good it was. Tali and a few others...
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You can't do anything because you're either of the same faith or someone will contrive a reason to bring down the might of the theocracies on you. (...)
Medieval nobles were only concerned with gaining more power. Anyone who was stagnant found their wine poisoned and titles stolen.
So, I understand your point is that there is a set of character who are not interested in gaining power, which is wrong, and that this set of characters is too powerful?
Gee, I wonder where they got all that power they didn't seek.
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Dwilight is my all time favorite.
I have a love/hate relationship with Atamara. The continent is dumb most of the time, but it was my first BM love.
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So, I understand your point is that there is a set of character who are not interested in gaining power, which is wrong, and that this set of characters is too powerful?
Gee, I wonder where they got all that power they didn't seek.
No, they gain power and go 'k cool that's enough I'm winning BM now'. A real medieval noble after becoming King would set out eliminating enemies within the kingdom, making new allies in his court, or expand his lands. They didn't say alright that's enough let's have a wedding.
Why the attitude by the way?
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No, they gain power and go 'k cool that's enough I'm winning BM now'. A real medieval noble after becoming King would set out eliminating enemies within the kingdom, making new allies in his court, or expand his lands. They didn't say alright that's enough let's have a wedding.
Part of this is because many within SA see "our lands" as "SA lands" as opposed to "my realm". I think this brings an interesting dynamic to Dwilight. It's not like there never were any wars among SA realms, but because other realms are more then neighbours, these tend to be more civilized affairs.
Another part of this is simply because the biggest realm are already as big as they can be. Morek couldn't take over Corsanctum, nor would Astrum, even if they wanted to. They could destroy it, but not really absorb it.
Why the attitude by the way?
Sorry about that, I've had my coffee now. :)
I think there are many extremely ambitious nobles within SA. These nobles do flex their muscles from time to time to see their goals achieved. Warfare may not be as frequent as on other continents, but personally I do like it that way. I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, I prefer Dwilight to Atamara, some people prefer Atamara to Dwilight, and then everyone has his favorite playground.
I don't think it's fair, however, to say that nothng has happened since the destruction of Everguard. Just look at the borders and realms, and it's hugely different from then, at least as different if not more than any other continent. This didn't happen randomly, it happened because nobles with ambition pushed their luck, and some won big and some lost big, as it should be.
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SA only has control over the North. Your realm is in a political gridlock and can't go to many wars? Well duh, you are probably living on the far North. Dwi has been in constant war since... pretty much forever. There's always a war someone on Dwi. Just pack your stuff and go there. And, hey, surprise! If you go where there's war, you likely don't need to concern yourself with the theocracies.
If the nobles left the stale realms for the more active ones, eventually the more active ones would end up stronger than the stale ones, and the thoughts of replacing the stale ones might eventually come up. D'Hara, for example, has been in constant war since... what, July? And that doesn't seem to be about to end any time soon. Fissoa's also been at war for quite a while.
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I've played on every continent, though a majority of my time has been spent in Atarmara, FEI, and to a lesser degree Dwilight/Buleterra.
Based on all of my experiences as a whole, I guess I'd say Dwilight? I had the hardest time finding a niche there that actually seemed fun and then once I did the reason why I liked the character essentially ended when the trading game changed. Of course, it was probably for the best considering what happened with the realm I was in.
I have a love/hate relationship with Atamara.
I agree with this and that opinion was formed Pre-Heorot so I'm not just being a sore loser. I've played on Atarmara since Day One and had some amazing experiences. Things also crazy stagnated and I'm not a huge fan of how the power is distributed, though they've earned it so they're welcome to it until it changes for better or worse.
Colonies is too slow for my tastes, but I never had a bad experience there. I didn't play on EC long enough to actually get a feel for it, but it was the only time I played an infiltrator and that was an interesting experience. Buleterra was a lot of fun since I got to play in the early invasions until my hero died, so no qualms there either.
I don't think I've ever not had fun on FEI that I can recall. Even when it's boring, it's not terrible, and I've enjoyed playing with most of the people I've played with there over the years, particularly with my second character.
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Atamara and Dwilight are tied for me for different reasons.
Atamara always seemed like the old war islands dressed up with the smallest possible hint of medieval-y stuff, like 'o rite i am supposed to be a duke' rather than people moving pieces around a game board. The last few realms I played in all had 'team sport' atmospheres where challenging anything from a social perspective (e.g. 'we shouldn't do this because of some values we all have) rather than a game perspective (we shouldn't do this because it might cause us to not win) will get you looked at strangely.
Dwilight is like a giant mansion for parties that is 1/3 full. It has a lot of people serious about doing what Dwilight was meant to be for, but it just hasn't got the population to support it. You can't have medieval hierarchy when everybody is a lord. SA is a nice attempt and embiggening but it didn't add much for me.
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Atamara for me. With its massive alliances that always stomp on others and zero medieval atmosphere in any of the realms are usually the things I loathe the most. Words like "turn/tick" and "you guys" are often seen as in-character correspondence. Once I was even ordered to perform police work from my "orders menu"...
Anyways, I started playing BM on Atamara and always had this urge to make something useful there. Get enough incentive to get involved. I never really did. So, down with Atamara. If things get serious enough to sink something, let's take that one down!
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No sinking anything Arrakis :)
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I'm going to say Atamara. "But wait!," you say, "If you hate Atamara, why do you have two characters there? Are you a hypocrite or something?"
Yes, I guess I am in a way. I have two characters on AT right now for specific reasons. One, I wanted to play in Coria because of some things I heard on the forum, plus I spent so much time clashing with Munro and Silverfire here on the forum when I was in Hammarsett that I thought it would be interesting to see what would happen with Laszlo in the same realm as they are. And in fact it's a pretty good realm, probably the best I've ever been in on AT so far.
My other character is in CE because I was curious as to what that realm was actually like to play in. I spend enough time bashing them on the forum that I felt like it would only be fair for me to experience it. It's... OK. It's not a totally silent realm, even for knights, and that's good. I see roleplays there on a regular basis. Older players go out of their way to welcome new players when they join up, which is often. I'm getting bored with the current war and may soon send the character elsewhere if I can't get him into the Senate soon (an opportunity for which may not be forthcoming), but that's another story.
The reason I say AT is the political scene is dead dull. There's war, and has been for the past couple years, but it's pretty dull and boring war. Half the rulers are fossilized to their thrones. I've never had less fun ruling a kingdom than I did on AT. The most fun I've had in the game as been on Dwilight and BT.
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Two of the original Big Three in the Northern Federation have new rulers. CE is working on dethroning #3. It's not much, but we can only do so much.
You're welcome. ;)
I like AT because most of the rulers at least wanted to have the appearance of being honorable and chivalrous. Sometimes war fails to break out because both sides were hoping for an provocation from the other side first, and nobody ends up blinking.
On EC and certain areas of Dwilight, it's pretty much expected that anyone and everyone will back-stab you if they can get away with it. That's not inherently bad, but I don't want every island to be like that.
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Get back to topic please...
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On topic? NEVER!
For those who dislike the Colonies (which seems no one because everyone forgets they exist) things are going to be changing.
All of the realms but one have chosen to join into an agreement which will have all the cities returned to city states. JUST as soon as Lukon forces the last hold out into submission.
Please send Lukon all your banned Infiltrators :P
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EC sucks.
This.
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This.
Statistics shows that both EC and Atamara suck.
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Statistics shows that both EC and Atamara suck.
Indeed, that is pretty much consensus.
The real interesting one is Dwilight which has the most drastic love/hate dichotomy.
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And Dwilight is third-worst, so... take it with a grain of salt.
Perhaps the best islands to play in are the most controversial ones?
At a smaller scale, I can make a CE thread and immediately get a bunch of haters proclaiming how godawful CE is. Can your realm inspire such hatred? Even if it wanted to?
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Hmm. Mine probably can.
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And Dwilight is third-worst, so... take it with a grain of salt.
Perhaps the best islands to play in are the most controversial ones?
At a smaller scale, I can make a CE thread and immediately get a bunch of haters proclaiming how godawful CE is. Can your realm inspire such hatred? Even if it wanted to?
Very few realms could, I'd imagine. Sanguis Astroism (not technically a realm) is starting to attract more detractors for the same basic reasons that CE gets them.