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BattleMaster => Locals => Far East Island => Topic started by: Antonine on June 19, 2012, 10:04:59 PM
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King Velax has announced to his court that he wants to fulfill the ambitions of Jenred and create a new Arcaean Empire.
Any thoughts from people?
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Arcaean Empire? Is he going to proclaim himself as the emperor?
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I believe so.
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Oh, this will be fun.
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And thus begins the long wars to consolidate the island under the Imperial Arcaean banner.
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time to start paying tributes!
500 gold a week from every realm bordering the empire!
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The hell he has done a what now?
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This is good, because then Lokenth will be able to say that as a lowly freeman he hobnobbed with lords and generals and kings AND an emperor. Even if they were actually all the same guy, it still counts.
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Sorraine is joining? Yes... maybe... depends. Probably. As long as we get Topenah :P
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To clarify: If Velax used the words "Arcaean Empire" whenever I manage to unpause Jenred will shank him. He was an infiltrator, you know. If he's just implementing the Lands of the Noca plans, that's excellent.
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There is something very wrong with a realm that punishes rapist nobles. Talk 'bout a screwed up realm, huh? ;D
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There is something very wrong with a realm that punishes rapist nobles. Talk 'bout a screwed up realm, huh? ;D
...Beg pardon? I have no idea what this is referring to.
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There is something very wrong with a realm that punishes rapist nobles. Talk 'bout a screwed up realm, huh? ;D
What exactly did you expect? Velax mentioned Arcachon nobles raped peasants, Arnaud said he hopes he can rape some peasants soon and Velax replied that any noble doing so will be banned. In response, Arnaud decides to rape some peasants immediately, and then when Velax issues the punishment, Arnaud decides to not only ignore it, but insist that Velax publicly state that Arnaud was right and did nothing wrong. Seriously? An instant ban should have been the punishment, but I tried to give Arnaud a second chance because he's an active noble and RPs more than most, but he threw it back in Velax's face.
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That's considerably more leniency than Jenred, Dentara, and if I recall correctly Riar would have given. I don't think rape has been legal in Arcaea since Trinity, and even that that was only in a time of war against enemies.
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What exactly did you expect? Velax mentioned Arcachon nobles raped peasants...
No, he said members of Ohnarian council raped peasants. Untrue, but whatever. ::)
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Different conversation, Lefanis. And what Velax said to Me'hoe was that most of the Ohnarian Council engaged in and ordered similar barbaric actions while in Arcachon. The Ohnarian Banker even did so before he joined Arcachon, as a member of a realm allied to Arcaea, so bonus points there.
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Here is the complete story: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/D%27Arricarr%C3%A8re_Family/Arnaud#Roleplays
What exactly did you expect?
Nothing really, as you can well see he is a comic-relief-character. It's all IC fun, don't worry. And my previous post in this thread was me just kidding. :P
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I love comic relief characters. :)
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Just unpaused Callandor II again. Who wants another war? ::)
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Just unpaused Callandor II again. Who wants another war? ::)
Yes please. All the ones I keep trying to start keep not happening.
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Yes please. All the ones I keep trying to start keep not happening.
...Right. Because Morgan is totally raring for war, and doing everything he can do to get all his nobles involved in it.
He's completely not being silent, telling his realm nothing, and occasionally saying, "Hey, we'll have a war in a few days!" then "Oops, no, guess not. No war for us."
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Just because you are not privy to discussions does not mean they are not happening.
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Just because you are not privy to discussions does not mean they are not happening.
Which is 90% of Zonasa's problem: Nobody knows what you're discussing.
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Kindara would be on board, I'm sure. Being blocked into the south makes things a little frustrating if someone above us isnt ready to go though.
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Why do you have to wait for them to be ready? Neighbors are made for attacking. If. They won't help you attack, then attack them until they are!
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Rejoined OW just in time for elections. I wonder how Sorraine will react when they find out the old duke has rejoined the realm council. That is, if I am elected.
If not, the least I can do is take over Ambassador status again and engage in talks with Kindara, PoZ, and GA.
But back on topic of the Arcaean Empire.. I'm drawing a blank here.
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Rejoined OW just in time for elections. I wonder how Sorraine will react when they find out the old duke has rejoined the realm council. That is, if I am elected.
If not, the least I can do is take over Ambassador status again and engage in talks with Kindara, PoZ, and GA.
But back on topic of the Arcaean Empire.. I'm drawing a blank here.
Sorraine isn't Toupellon. We could care less about the old duke joining the council. In fact, we expected something of that fashion since OW is a bunch of scoundrels and liars.
Your second statement, I think, is trying to provoke fear? They abandoned OW once before, now there is little they can do - especially when the colony forms. The amount of horror I have as a reaction is expressed by the following smiley. -_______-
Arcaea is trying to form an Empire. Its inevitable, as the Dark Isle will be given to Azgath in order to create Coralynth; a Kingdom under Arcaea. However, Velax is also seeking to acquire Sorraine, which was going well until... well about a dozen minutes ago. Selene wants Jenred's idea for an Empire, granting all rulers a chance to become Emperor (after Velax). Bending a knee to a heathen is serious business, and only Velax would deserve that respect for he too is tremendously honorable and noble (a sartanian at heart, in Caspius' eyes.) His successors will not be him, evidently, while also being heathens. This creates a dramatic concern for the Church, Selene, and Caspius.
Caspius adheres to his faith, to his High Priestess in such matters, and will not accept the Empire any longer unless some kind of option presents itself.
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Keep negotiating. It's not completely out of the question.
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Keep negotiating. It's not completely out of the question.
Norrel put it a good way. "Velax is a politican, Caspius is a rock."
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Hah, Velax would find that highly insulting. He thinks of himself as a warrior, rather than a politician. :P
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Sorraine isn't Toupellon. We could care less about the old duke joining the council. In fact, we expected something of that fashion since OW is a bunch of scoundrels and liars.
Your second statement, I think, is trying to provoke fear? They abandoned OW once before, now there is little they can do - especially when the colony forms. The amount of horror I have as a reaction is expressed by the following smiley. -_______-
Arcaea is trying to form an Empire. Its inevitable, as the Dark Isle will be given to Azgath in order to create Coralynth; a Kingdom under Arcaea. However, Velax is also seeking to acquire Sorraine, which was going well until... well about a dozen minutes ago. Selene wants Jenred's idea for an Empire, granting all rulers a chance to become Emperor (after Velax). Bending a knee to a heathen is serious business, and only Velax would deserve that respect for he too is tremendously honorable and noble (a sartanian at heart, in Caspius' eyes.) His successors will not be him, evidently, while also being heathens. This creates a dramatic concern for the Church, Selene, and Caspius.
Caspius adheres to his faith, to his High Priestess in such matters, and will not accept the Empire any longer unless some kind of option presents itself.
Sorraine isn't Toupellon, just made up of majority of those nobles. I'm glad to hear they won't be mad at my return, it makes my life and OW's a whole helluva lot easier.
The second statement wasn't to invoke fear, it was just to make conversation. I doubt OW could invoke fear into anyone but the rogues these days, haha! As I said, I want to spice things up on the island and especially in OW. The forum chat is all ideas in OOC, most of what I say doesn't come to pass.
As for this new colony, I'm kind of happy. FEI honestly needs more realms, even if they are part of the Arcaean Empire. I do love how Selene manages to make most everything harder to achieve in some way or fashion.
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Some of us may still use the opportunity to cause trouble. ;)
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At times I wish someone would delegate to the ambassadors and let them handle the negotiations. IMO Selene combines the right combination of experience, stubborness and pragmatism to get a deal done quickly :p
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At times I wish someone would delegate to the ambassadors and let them handle the negotiations. IMO Selene combines the right combination of experience, stubborness and pragmatism to get a deal done quickly :p
Unfortunately for you, Selene is going to be replaced soon enough. Remember that Jatha was to be appointed the position.
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Maybe Jatha will remove the ban on Duregal ;)
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Maybe Jatha will remove the ban on Duregal ;)
Jatha's not the judge :P.
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Selene is the judge. And she only unwields the banhammer if she's asked very, very nicely :p
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Or your name is Arnaud...
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Or your name is Arnaud...
The only legitimate Lord of Topenah!
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I'm so confused by this thread. Are we still talking about Arcaea?
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Arnaud was originally from Arcaea... so yes.
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Sorraine is a potential member of the Empire. We are assuming direct control of this thread.
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Interesting development in negotiations! Caspius, and the Church of Sartan, will not accept the Emperor (Empress) to always be the King (Queen) of Arcaea. Caspius demanded instead that a duel of champions or Kings decide the Emperor, for it would grant all three Kingdoms a chance to the throne. (What kind of Zealot bends the knee to a heathen willingly.... except for Velax of course :P)
In a counter-offer, Velax proposed war games to decide the winner. Me likes this ;D.
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To clarify: If Velax used the words "Arcaean Empire" whenever I manage to unpause Jenred will shank him. He was an infiltrator, you know. If he's just implementing the Lands of the Noca plans, that's excellent.
Weeeeeell, it's going to be a little bit of column A, and a little bit of column B...
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Weeeeeell, it's going to be a little bit of column A, and a little bit of column B...
So I've gathered, although the war games sounds like moving back toward Jenred's original plan.
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So I've gathered, although the war games sounds like moving back toward Jenred's original plan.
Not wanting to sour your game, but war games, if it is what I'm thinking of, was not allowed. I believe Corsanctum-Morek and Libero-Summerdale had had the idea at the times of TMP.
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Not wanting to sour your game, but war games, if it is what I'm thinking of, was not allowed. I believe Corsanctum-Morek and Libero-Summerdale had had the idea at the times of TMP.
I don't know what Velax is discussing at this point, but Jenred's original plan was for, essentially, realm vs realm duels with certain looting limitations to keep the infrastructure intact. The winner gets the Imperial crown, or at least moves up in ranking.
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I don't know what Velax is discussing at this point, but Jenred's original plan was for, essentially, realm vs realm duels with certain looting limitations to keep the infrastructure intact. The winner gets the Imperial crown, or at least moves up in ranking.
Duels as in mini-battles?
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Duels as in mini-battles?
No no. Duels in the sense of, one vs one at the realm level. So, the rest of the empire is honour bound to intervene...To keep anyone else from intervening. You fight from the beginning of spring to the end of fall, and whichever realm wins takes the higher of the two ranks up for grabs. So, if there are three realms, and the third realm challenges the second realm, the top realm is obligated to fight, if necessary, to keep anyone else from getting involved. At the end of the war, the third realm is determined to be the winner, and thus becomes the second realm.
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No no. Duels in the sense of, one vs one at the realm level. So, the rest of the empire is honour bound to intervene...To keep anyone else from intervening. You fight from the beginning of spring to the end of fall, and whichever realm wins takes the higher of the two ranks up for grabs. So, if there are three realms, and the third realm challenges the second realm, the top realm is obligated to fight, if necessary, to keep anyone else from getting involved. At the end of the war, the third realm is determined to be the winner, and thus becomes the second realm.
Yes, but fight how? Dueling between nobles or battles with soldiers?
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Yes, but fight how? Dueling between nobles or battles with soldiers?
Battles
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Yes, but fight how? Dueling between nobles or battles with soldiers?
It's a war. You fight it like a war (with some limitations on looting so that the empire doesn't destroy half its own resources). It's only a duel in the sense that no realm besides the two fighting can intervene.
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It's a war. You fight it like a war (with some limitations on looting so that the empire doesn't destroy half its own resources). It's only a duel in the sense that no realm besides the two fighting can intervene.
Yea, that idea was rejected. It was considered to avoid TMP, but it was said it would not be acceptable. Something about war being war and such.
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Yea, that idea was rejected. It was considered to avoid TMP, but it was said it would not be acceptable. Something about war being war and such.
You're missing the point. This isn't a friendly, we're totally not going to do anything permanent war. This is a real war. You keep whatever you take (and while I think it's unlikely, if you completely wipe out the other realm, then they stay wiped), and the stakes are quite high since your realm rank would be determined by your victory or loss, and the Ruler of the whole thing comes from the highest ranked realm. Especially since there is no TMP, this is not an attempt to avoid game mechanics, this is an attempt to provide a succession for a multi-realm entity in a way that makes sense and is fun.
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You're missing the point. This isn't a friendly, we're totally not going to do anything permanent war. This is a real war. You keep whatever you take (and while I think it's unlikely, if you completely wipe out the other realm, then they stay wiped), and the stakes are quite high since your realm rank would be determined by your victory or loss, and the Ruler of the whole thing comes from the highest ranked realm. Especially since there is no TMP, this is not an attempt to avoid game mechanics, this is an attempt to provide a succession for a multi-realm entity in a way that makes sense and is fun.
Sorry, it has been made before: the Lurias. 8)
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It's an interesting idea. But something about the whole "leaderboard" feel of it rubs me wrong. Still, it's on FEI, not Dwilight, so...
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It's pretty much the Mongol system. War to decide who's the next Khan!
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It's an interesting idea. But something about the whole "leaderboard" feel of it rubs me wrong. Still, it's on FEI, not Dwilight, so...
The leaderboard thing hasn't been proposed in game, as far as I know. Right now the idea is that the realms can just fight eachother for the position of emperor.
I wouldn't call them war games, since it's a real war for an important title, just one with a strict code of honor behind it.
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The leaderboard thing hasn't been proposed in game, as far as I know. Right now the idea is that the realms can just fight eachother for the position of emperor.
I wouldn't call them war games, since it's a real war for an important title, just one with a strict code of honor behind it.
Succession wars are not war games >:( they are real wars. In this case, I guess they can be called a big scale civil war.
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It's pretty much the Mongol system. War to decide who's the next Khan!
Mongol is considered medieval european, right?
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It's an interesting idea. But something about the whole "leaderboard" feel of it rubs me wrong. Still, it's on FEI, not Dwilight, so...
Ick. Not a leaderboard. A rank system. I.e. when you have the big feat, the Emperor sits at the head of the table, the Ruler of the next highest realm sits to his right, and so on. In official heraldry and other matters of precedence, nobles from thus realm rank higher than those of that other realm. If the third ranked realm is a Grand Duke, the fourth ranked realm better not have a King or they will be accused of getting above themselves.
And, of course, you have the taxes to further incentivize people, though I don't know if Velax is keeping that part.
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Succession wars are not war games >:( they are real wars. In this case, I guess they can be called a big scale civil war.
My inspiration for this was some half remembered tales of how the High Kings of Ireland were chosen, combined with a desire to formally incorporate one on one wars while not stopping other wars. The original idea was to just call them Challenges.
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What I liked best from the proposal was that we could compete for objectives, even against other realms. So if Velax dies, absconds, or implodes, we can chose something like: The first to capture Sasrhas and hold it for one week wins. Or in between realms such as: Arcaea must defend and hold Nocaneb for a consecutive three weeks, whereas Sorraine and Coralynth must take Nocaneb and hold it for one week. Maybe: Arcaea's objective is Arempos and Soniel, Sorraine's is Athios and Attlel, and Coralynth's is Hosiel and Apasur. (Evidently post-Ohnar West conquest.)
This kind of stuff excites me because it adds a new layer to Empire realms at which intrigue, battles, and RP's can be made from. Wars - since this is not SMA - can have rules of engagement, clauses, and a code of conduct. It can also have set objectives (as it should be in SMA anyways, few wars were for total conquest) and set times.
I say, why not?
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What I liked is that the emperor can tell a ruler can tell a general can tell a marshal can tell a TL to move to an adjacent region. :)
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What I liked best from the proposal was that we could compete for objectives, even against other realms. So if Velax dies, absconds, or implodes, we can chose something like: The first to capture Sasrhas and hold it for one week wins. Or in between realms such as: Arcaea must defend and hold Nocaneb for a consecutive three weeks, whereas Sorraine and Coralynth must take Nocaneb and hold it for one week. Maybe: Arcaea's objective is Arempos and Soniel, Sorraine's is Athios and Attlel, and Coralynth's is Hosiel and Apasur. (Evidently post-Ohnar West conquest.)
This kind of stuff excites me because it adds a new layer to Empire realms at which intrigue, battles, and RP's can be made from. Wars - since this is not SMA - can have rules of engagement, clauses, and a code of conduct. It can also have set objectives (as it should be in SMA anyways, few wars were for total conquest) and set times.
I say, why not?
IT would be interesting to see Velax implode...
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What I liked best from the proposal was that we could compete for objectives, even against other realms. So if Velax dies, absconds, or implodes, we can chose something like: The first to capture Sasrhas and hold it for one week wins. Or in between realms such as: Arcaea must defend and hold Nocaneb for a consecutive three weeks, whereas Sorraine and Coralynth must take Nocaneb and hold it for one week. Maybe: Arcaea's objective is Arempos and Soniel, Sorraine's is Athios and Attlel, and Coralynth's is Hosiel and Apasur. (Evidently post-Ohnar West conquest.)
Experience tells me that if you leave it open-ended like that, the negotiations on what constitutes a fair objective will cause the whole thing to fall apart. I also find that much, much, much too "wargame"-y.
This was Jenred's original plan, for those who haven't seen it.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Arcaea/Charter_of_the_Noca
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And the Empire expands again.
I'm glad I re-read this thread, because I was looking for Jenred's original plans for the intra-Empire warfare and couldn't find it.
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And now is the critical stage. You have reached the point where you are big enough to trounce everything except the rest of the island...But the rest of the island can, at least in theory, stop you. And unless the rest of the island is stupid (which it's not, not with Galiard around, can't speak for the rest), they realize that. This is where the politicking is going to go absolutely nuts while the Empire tries to stabilize and prepare, and various other groups try to figure out if they can combine.
I want to !@#$ing move so I can have time to unpause Jenred and play him properly. I'm literally sitting here twitching thinking about how much I want in.
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I want to !@#$ing move so I can have time to unpause Jenred and play him properly. I'm literally sitting here twitching thinking about how much I want in.
Sweet. Sounds like I picked a good time to join Arcaea after all. :)
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Moving this week! Finally! Should be diving back in next weekend, and will, I think, have Kelley and Laura's characters back as well!
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Moving this week! Finally! Should be diving back in next weekend, and will, I think, have Kelley and Laura's characters back as well!
Woot! Now we get to have a civil war between Jenred and Velax for the crown! XD
(Well, so I dream anyway...)
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Moving this week! Finally! Should be diving back in next weekend, and will, I think, have Kelley and Laura's characters back as well!
:O Finally :)
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Woot! Now we get to have a civil war between Jenred and Velax for the crown! XD
(Well, so I dream anyway...)
Highly unlikely. There's a reason why Jenred picked Velax as his successor. More likely is a...genteel set of maneuvering to see who ends up having what kind of influence. Odd as this may sound to a number of people, Jenred never wanted to rule anything. He just wanted certain things to get done. If Velax is willing to do those things, then Jenred will likely be quite content to be, say, Paladin Primus of the Empire, and retroactively declared the First Emperor.
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And now is the critical stage. You have reached the point where you are big enough to trounce everything except the rest of the island...But the rest of the island can, at least in theory, stop you. And unless the rest of the island is stupid (which it's not, not with Galiard around, can't speak for the rest), they realize that. This is where the politicking is going to go absolutely nuts while the Empire tries to stabilize and prepare, and various other groups try to figure out if they can combine.
In related news, which may or may not have any real significance at all (depending on my continued interest level), Arella is on the move. Aenilia is not, but she is.
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I smell a bit of tension in the air. 8)
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Heh Jenred is back >:D
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Clearly, Arcaea needs a better PR campaign.
I think we just enjoy being the domineering Empire too much to try and spin it any other way.
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Jenred was a PR campaign.
Velax is ... a campaign.
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I can't deny that. Velax loves a good war.
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Who dare fight Arcaea? Hold up your hand ;)
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Come at me bro.
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Come at me bro.
Aren't you part of Arcaea?
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Aren't you part of Arcaea?
Thain is, but Magnus is the General of Kindara. Much like Velax is Emperor, but also duke of Hadthes :P