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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Draco Tanos on July 22, 2012, 08:53:49 AM
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I'm curious, what is/are the largest temple(s) now that the Ibladeshi temples are gone?
I know that the Church of Humanity has two "magnificent temples" (size 6). Any toppers of that so far?
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The Grove has a Magnificient temple as well, and a number of Large temples too.
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Chances are, that is the largest size on EC currently then. I mean, if CoH and HSG have it as the largest size I doubt the other three faiths have been able to actively afford larger.
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Nope. Doubt it is the largest.
HSG is as good as dead. The elders are just inactive as hell. I want that religion gone. :p
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Perhaps Erik will liven it up :)
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I've done my part. Hopefully he has enough materials to revive it.
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Nope. Doubt it is the largest.
HSG is as good as dead. The elders are just inactive as hell. I want that religion gone. :p
Besides the steadily growing CoH, HSG is the one with the biggest possible membership. I mean... Besides those two we have the White Tree (not sure how much Sirion aided them when they were hiding there), the Flow (most of their temples have been burned down), the Triumvirate (the temple in Oligarch was their only one for the longest time and it's only a small), and... Whatever OI's religion is called. I doubt they can spare the gold on temples too large.
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I have actually felt that that the Grove have lived up a little and that my priest character doesn't walk around in a vacuum amymore.
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I have actually felt that that the Grove have lived up a little and that my priest character doesn't walk around in a vacuum amymore.
Really? Maybe my work paid off? ;) Hopefully Erik can really do something about the church now that he is a priest. Most people in Sirion aren't really interested in becoming priests... so I doubt the church will ever reach anywhere farther than Sirion's borders.
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so I doubt the church will ever reach anywhere farther than Sirion's borders.
Very few religions actually spread outside their own borders, and even fewer actually gain much support outside their own realm.
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The Grove isn't really that proselytising even though it wouldn't turn anyone away. Amongst other things its adherence to the fact that secular and spiritual matters should be separated could make it fit in just about anywhere where people doesn't want realm policy to be based on religion, even if I doubt it would be the most popular religion anywhere else than in Sirion.
And last thing I heard from Erik the Cleric was that he had signed up for rethorics 101 at the academy in Avamar as noone listened to his preachings. After all the flowery speeches and roleplays he has given us I found that a bit amusing.
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The problem with all this "separation of church and state" schtuff is that it makes that religion mostly pointless and unappealing. Your religion serves no purpose other than to occupy a potential power vacuum, and keep other religions from moving in. Which is, IMO, why so many religions on EC have failed so miserably.
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The problem with all this "separation of church and state" schtuff is that it makes that religion mostly pointless and unappealing. Your religion serves no purpose other than to occupy a potential power vacuum, and keep other religions from moving in. Which is, IMO, why so many religions on EC have failed so miserably.
The problem is no one really wants the church or any other religions to have profound influence on the realm. I think people are just used to the real life situation where countries are usually separate from religions.
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Which, as a roleplayer, is one of the more annoying attitudes I have to deal with. Corwin is a big one on "keeping religion out of politics". It just doesn't make sense in a medieval type setting.
Been slowly increasing the influence of the CoH. We have lords in Westmoor, Perdan, and Eponllyn as well as members in Caligus. The religious spread is across most of the continent, even areas we have never preached.
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The Flow has adherents in Sirion, Nivemus, Eponllyn and Caligus. I'd like to see it spread further than that but the limit is as much to do with priest numbers as anything.
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Doubt the flow will become popular any time soon. Many characters despise the flow for their actions in the past. I was criticized heavily for letting it live.
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Religions don't need to be popular to thrive - they just need a lack of competitors ;)
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But the best thing is, there are other religions "competing" in each and every one of those realms you mention. ;D
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The problem with all this "separation of church and state" schtuff is that it makes that religion mostly pointless and unappealing. Your religion serves no purpose other than to occupy a potential power vacuum, and keep other religions from moving in. Which is, IMO, why so many religions on EC have failed so miserably.
Had I made the religion from scratch I would certainly have made it more interesting in this manner, but the religion was there when I joined and one of many anachronisms in Sirion (The realm proudly proclaims its adherance to 19th century ideology on the informaton page) is that the realm always proudly have promoted religious freedom at the same time as almost everyone have belonged to the Grove. This must have been due to theology of the religion as there is no real other explanation.
The church is not entirely apolitical though as it expects other religions to do the same and religions with secular agendas tend to end up on the evil list.
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Yet a political agenda could be as simple as securing control over a food wlsupply to end starvation in RegionX. You would call that evil? You monster! :P
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But the best thing is, there are other religions "competing" in each and every one of those realms you mention. ;D
If keeping the Flow alive were easy I probably wouldn't be interested ::)
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Yet a political agenda could be as simple as securing control over a food wlsupply to end starvation in RegionX. You would call that evil? You monster! :P
Not really, the Grove wouldn't call that evil as it doesn't hamper but rather help the spiritual growth of its followers. What is considered evil is to disguise a secular agenda as a spiritual agenda and trick people to fulfill your political plots in the belief that it gives them some sort of spiritual salvation or advancement.
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CoH tries to spread and gain influence, but at the same time we are more defensive in mindset. We prohibit using RTOs and in general using faith to overthrow lords. I can only think of two EC religions that have been declared evil, those being the CoI and the Flow. Those religions that have used or attempted to use RTOs freely get tagged as misguided. Like the Triumvirate was when it tried to seize Sirion lands when Jor was king of Westmoor the first time.
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The Order of the White Tree is small, but alive. There's only one active priest I believe, Obito. Beyond that there are a number of temples throughout Nivemus, but besides some influence northwest Sirion and a temple in Parm, it's contained entirely to Nivemus.
As for other religions in Nivemus:
The Church of Humanity has a small presence in southern Nivemus
The Church of the Holy Sacred Grove has a sizeable presence in eastern Nivemus next to Sirion.
The Flow has a temple in one of our regions, but no followers.
Would love to see some new religions arise, maybe something a bit more extreme ;)
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The Order of the White Tree is small, but alive. There's only one active priest I believe, Obito. Beyond that there are a number of temples throughout Nivemus, but besides some influence northwest Sirion and a temple in Parm, it's contained entirely to Nivemus.
As for other religions in Nivemus:
The Church of Humanity has a small presence in southern Nivemus
The Church of the Holy Sacred Grove has a sizeable presence in eastern Nivemus next to Sirion.
The Flow has a temple in one of our regions, but no followers.
Would love to see some new religions arise, maybe something a bit more extreme ;)
The Order of the White Tree has one priest, but I hope I can get a second one. It is tough competing with CoH with only one priest. It has surged in noble count though, recently and is close to 20 full members, with members in OI, Nivemus, and Sirion. Nivemus is the majority faith in 7 or 8 of Nivemus regions and has influence in Parm and Csopa, and Uzamaki has eyes on Sermbar if he gets another priest to help. I have plans to make the Order more fun but it requires some things to happen beforehand.
Oh, and if the Flow tried to make its way into Nivemus regions, he would fight them tooth and nail. He is a big hater of the Flow.
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Sounds like an invitation :)
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Sounds like an invitation :)
Definitely not. Especially since accepting the Flow would just be an invitation for war against half the continent. Obito has been trying to get the Flow Temple torn down, but has so far been unsuccessful, mostly due to apathy.
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Would love to see some new religions arise, maybe something a bit more extreme ;)
Well CoI was probably the most extreme religion and look where it ended up :( It was probably the most engaging and well defined EC religion. I'm trying to flesh out something to fill the vacuum it left in the south as I'm not particularly happy with CoH, the flow or the Triumvirate trying to move in :P So if anyone would like to collaborate or has any tips I would love to hear from them :)
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So if anyone would like to collaborate or has any tips I would love to hear from them :)
You could always revive Estianism (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Estianism) ;)
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The problem is no one really wants the church or any other religions to have profound influence on the realm. I think people are just used to the real life situation where countries are usually separate from religions.
You can't rebel or protect the church elders. I think making religion important in a realm means giving a few people a lot of trust.
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Well CoI was probably the most extreme religion and look where it ended up :( It was probably the most engaging and well defined EC religion. I'm trying to flesh out something to fill the vacuum it left in the south as I'm not particularly happy with CoH, the flow or the Triumvirate trying to move in :P So if anyone would like to collaborate or has any tips I would love to hear from them :)
The Church of Humanity is the last one you should worry about. Unlike the other two, we don't have a history of seizing regions when we don't get our way. =P
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It just has a way of pushing it's belief on others and threatening them ;D :o ::)
Hahaha im sure the largest temple is in Sirion just none of us know it! A huge underground cult
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Hahaha im sure the largest temple is in Sirion just none of us know it! A huge underground cult
No, it's in the badlands of OI. Called Dagdaism. ;D
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It just has a way of pushing it's belief on others and threatening them ;D :o ::)
Pfft. I wish I threatened him. I swear he flip-flops in his story more than John Kerry. "No! I had him assassinated (wrong word, as no one's dead) because he threatened me! I mean... Because the Queen told me to! I mean..." Etc, etc, etc.
This is the same guy who was closing SA temples on Dwilight and blaming it on his phone, however, when he didn't get his way. So everything that's said should be taken with a grain of salt. Or a handful.