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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Adriddae on April 12, 2011, 06:31:01 PM
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Sanguis Astroism on Crusades against all heathens is my dream, not a fear :)
That too, is also my dream.
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I too like that idea. It is convenient that our enemies have so far delivered themselves to us by attacking us first. In the end I think we will dominate Dwilight.
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To start a successful colony.
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To hold the lands I've wanted to hold since the first time I saw the map of Dwilight.
Secondary goal, make a Switzerland-style realm fun.
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To see Maroccidens fully colonized.
To see Sanguis Astroism dominate the whole continent (no, my character doesn't want that. But I sure do.).
To fight the Zuma: and win.
To have the title, "Emperor."
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Well, I had a dream to create an empire based on the power of a strong central realm with a strong monarch leading it. However, that seems to have been taken away.
So I guess I'll have to settle for what I did achieve: holding rulership of a realm on Dwilight for three full years, with a highly autocratic and absolutist monarch. All this while having to face rebellion after rebellion, sedition after sedition, and two full secessions.
I may have been beaten before I fulfilled my dream, but I think what I achieved along the way was pretty damn impressive anyway 8)
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Oh, come now, Tim, you know as well as I do that times change, and people can return with a vengeance. It'll take longer now, of course, but the dream is still possible. Besides, as stated you could help someone else set up that empire (grins).
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1. To push threw abbots neoconservatism in Madina, Fissoa and convert every republic to a constitution with the same basic rights and turn those realms in "the free (western) nations", defending freedom.
Spreading republican liberalism threw out the continent with a polarised vision of the world as one big battle of good vs evil. With tryanical and monarchial nations with none of these liberal rights as the forces of evil.
2. create a realm that worships it's royal family as descendants from god in a strict military and religious order rich of culture and passion with lots of innovating concepts like a military academy where one can get his basic degree, marshal degree and even general degree in Military warfare.
The will of the king is the absolute sole law in the land and his family is considered the purest humans with lesser classes of humans following under them, like nobles, soldiers and peasants,.
people born in these classes are believed to have different levels of purity and thus are not able to ascend to a higher class.
this derives from a creation story where the first humans split and mixed with forest creates, alike humans and became sort of primal humans.
The few humans that survived kept the family in the family, so to speak and thus kept there race pure.
these descendants are only able to rule nations, governed by the the second most purest, the nobles and defended by the third purest, the soldiers.
Kind of a racist, religiously incest approving, tyrannical, absolute monarchism ruled by only two families.
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Stay alive.
Simple character, simple ambitions, I guess?
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I think my greatest dream has to be for Sanguis Astroism to dominate Dwilight, but through conversion as well as conquest and colonisation. For example an SA Madina, with its Constitution and independent Lords combined with inter-SA politics and theological splits would be awesome.
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Truly push the power of the rural regions by holding a realm to ransom by refusing to sell food for anything but extortionate prices!
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Help create a realm that completely occupies the Maroccidens. It's Northern border is south Evenfell and Gretchew, runs all the way down to Candiels, and of course from coast to coast.
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I dream to create a realm who thrives and attracts nobles purely because of the amazing culture of the realm and the RP based around its foundation and operation. A realm where every single noble can and does contribute on a daily basis to the RP and culture of the realm and that can act as no other realm has before in the history of BM.
I dream that this will not only come true, but come true relatively soon and that the plans in place for it to happen do not perish.
Also, I dream to be the first ruler of said realm. :)
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Dreams change, adept, evolve. I'm certain mine will do the same once I reach a certain point.
For now, to create a realm with a completely different government (by the players) that BM has ever seen including new Lordship election, military, culture, names, etc. It's an idea I've been messing about with for a few months now. I want to bring something unique and new to BM, something no one has encountered yet, ya know?
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Well BM hasn't encountered mongols yet so maybe we can make cavalries only realm? :)
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Well BM hasn't encountered mongols yet so maybe we can make cavalries only realm? :)
How crazy would the addition of horse archer units to the game be? :o
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How crazy would the addition of horse archer units to the game be? :o
It would have have to be dumbed down in order to work cause they sound like an OP unit.
I was thinking more like armies of only Marshal, V-M, and 3 other knights who work well together. In a 25 character realm, that's 5 armies, which brings about a lot of possibilities. Perhaps it has been done before, but I haven't really seen it yet. The General would just be an honorary position rather than almighty-commander. The Marshal would be elected as they would conference over what the military does, with a watchful comment and eye of the ruler and/or council.
There's other possibilities I've dived into, but perhaps I will create a new topic for the idea sometime.
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Well BM hasn't encountered mongols yet so maybe we can make cavalries only realm? :)
Only to be completely foiled by the enemy's simple wooden palisades.
Doh! :o
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A single hero leads his archers to rain hellfire on the horde of mounted invaders, holding them off successfully, wave after wave, such that his fair townsland is saved, and the invaders can get no closer to the brilliant city beyond the town.
Legends are sung for all time of the great Hero of Flying Arrows, whose sharp projectiles stained the sky the color of steel and wood, the lone rock who stood against the crashing waves of the ocean, and parted its waters. Such be the tale of the bards who sing of he who defeated what was unmatched in the open, for the unstoppable force, strong as the waves made of men and steeds, met an object easily moved, yet was deflected as nothing but a breeze.
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It would have have to be dumbed down in order to work cause they sound like an OP unit.
I was thinking more like armies of only Marshal, V-M, and 3 other knights who work well together. In a 25 character realm, that's 5 armies, which brings about a lot of possibilities. Perhaps it has been done before, but I haven't really seen it yet. The General would just be an honorary position rather than almighty-commander. The Marshal would be elected as they would conference over what the military does, with a watchful comment and eye of the ruler and/or council.
There's other possibilities I've dived into, but perhaps I will create a new topic for the idea sometime.
Shh, you're getting too close to an idea already in the works...
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1. To push threw abbots neoconservatism in Madina, Fissoa and convert every republic to a constitution with the same basic rights and turn those realms in "the free (western) nations", defending freedom.
Spreading republican liberalism threw out the continent with a polarised vision of the world as one big battle of good vs evil. With tryanical and monarchial nations with none of these liberal rights as the forces of evil.
And... it hasn't occurred to you that you are using 100% modern political terms on an SMA island?
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And... it hasn't occurred to you that you are using 100% modern political terms on an SMA island?
off course i am! :p that the beauty of it! it's a big wild land, sociological a freestate like Madina could very well happen in Dwilight (if it existed in a similair world like ours around 1200/1300) until some powerful religious order gets rid of it!
and also please remember this is BM not the real world.
I do agree that it sounds strange and revolutionary, but it does make perfect sense IC.
I am also using modern terms as neoconservatism, to make my point.
in the game i don't call it like that of course...
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I dream to see Dwilight fuly colonized
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My dream will change but for now my greatest dream is to conquer Darfix. I wonder how much gold it will generate.
(Palisades are horrible. They burn against fire arrows and explosion arrows. It doesn't unless you are facing knights. Since knights are just huge cans on horses :o)
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Shh, you're getting too close to an idea already in the works...
Yeah, my idea >:(
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Actually, not all mongol forces were mounted. The Mongols themselves made up most of the cavalry, while men from previously conquered regions made up the foot soldiers.
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Actually, not all mongol forces were mounted. The Mongols themselves made up most of the cavalry, while men from previously conquered regions made up the foot soldiers.
Ding ding ding! Give this man a slice of the Khan's own rump ration. Everyone else shall be beheaded.
off course i am! :p that the beauty of it! it's a big wild land, sociological a freestate like Madina could very well happen in Dwilight (if it existed in a similair world like ours around 1200/1300) until some powerful religious order gets rid of it!
and also please remember this is BM not the real world.
I do agree that it sounds strange and revolutionary, but it does make perfect sense IC.
I am also using modern terms as neoconservatism, to make my point.
in the game i don't call it like that of course...
But... there is no progression of previous intellectual thought which might lead to this. No emancipation of peasants and transition from economies of shortage to modern industrial economies where the word "consumerism" even begins to justify the term "neoconservative"! Stop butchering ideas!
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I dream to see Dwilight fuly colonized
People say this, and as a long term goal it may be cool. But to me it is in some ways undesirable. Would not Dwilight lose part of what it is if this were to happen?
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People say this, and as a long term goal it may be cool. But to me it is in some ways undesirable. Would not Dwilight lose part of what it is if this were to happen?
Yesm I meant it as a long term goal, both for IC and OOC reasons...at this pace it's going to happen in a decade or maybe never, so it fits the perfect loooong term goal :)
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People say this, and as a long term goal it may be cool. But to me it is in some ways undesirable. Would not Dwilight lose part of what it is if this were to happen?
People say this, and as a long term goal it may be cool. But to me it is in some ways undesirable. Would not Dwilight lose part of what it is if this were to happen?
I don't think so? I see it as the maturation of the island, as it grows to fill its true potential. I would love to see Dwilight completely settled, with 25+ realms. Maybe even 30.
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With the one noble rule, we'd have to probably double the current amount of players on Dwilight to get anywhere near that stage. There are simply some regions that are seriously hell to attempt to do without a large amount of support. Check Rettle/Twain/ville, Balance's Retreat, Sallowtown (Arguably not linked to BR because of West Divide and Desert of Silhouettes).
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IMO, in order for Rettleville area to be colonized, Madina needs to get its act together, become an effective realm,. and pacify its home island. Let Aurvandil expand up the mainland toward Rettleville to pacify those lands. That will take the pressure of Rettleville area, so they can establish a good foothold. From there, the region can actually begin to grow and start to expand into the wilds.
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IMO, in order for Rettleville area to be colonized, Madina needs to get its act together, become an effective realm,. and pacify its home island. Let Aurvandil expand up the mainland toward Rettleville to pacify those lands. That will take the pressure of Rettleville area, so they can establish a good foothold. From there, the region can actually begin to grow and start to expand into the wilds.
PRetty much, yeah. Until the deep south gets some kind of civilized order, establishing Barca will be a constant battle. Realistically, expansion beyond the Rettlewood periphery will be more than a little bit challenging for the Barcans, and every winter will be hell. If Aurvandil could pacify everything south of and incuding Lusitania and Evanburg, the task would be much, much simpler.
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.... Balance's Retreat...
I recently had a look at this place and some of the surrounding regions. Lets just say that they apparently don't have much mining potential...so gold would always be an issue.
...Sallowtown (Arguably not linked to BR because of West Divide and Desert of Silhouettes).
I was thinking about this. They would have to either have very good traders/suppliers, or somehow hold a part of the D'haran islands. But then why take Sallowtown when you can have Port Nebel?
And if there was another realm holding Port Nebel...well arguably, they would want the regions east of it!
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Food is scarce in those regions as well. For BR, the stronghold isn't in too bad shape, and Alley of Swords is probably a self-sufficient badland. But those mountains? About 100 gold default, and even single digit barely double digit food production.
It's probably worse for Sallowtown as that is a city.
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Food is scarce in those regions as well. For BR, the stronghold isn't in too bad shape, and Alley of Swords is probably a self-sufficient badland. But those mountains? About 100 gold default, and even single digit barely double digit food production.
The only regions in the game that are not capable of feeding themselves are cities.
I doubt Balance's Retreat will ever get settled Until (if?) the New Economy goes into play. There's just not enough in the area to make settling it a viable proposition. Once New Economy goes in, then some other realms may have the incentive to settle it. The stone and metals the mountains could produce would be vital to the entire southern half of Dwilight. (Flowrestown all the down and around to Madina, and probably D'Hara as well.) That kind of incentive could make these realms financially support a colonization of the stronghold.
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The only regions in the game that are not capable of feeding themselves are cities.
I doubt Balance's Retreat will ever get settled Until (if?) the New Economy goes into play. There's just not enough in the area to make settling it a viable proposition. Once New Economy goes in, then some other realms may have the incentive to settle it. The stone and metals the mountains could produce would be vital to the entire southern half of Dwilight. (Flowrestown all the down and around to Madina, and probably D'Hara as well.) That kind of incentive could make these realms financially support a colonization of the stronghold.
That sounds really good. I was thinking that I should play a trader some time on Dwilight. With the new system in place it will have to be a priority!
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IMO, in order for Rettleville area to be colonized, Madina needs to get its act together, become an effective realm,. and pacify its home island. Let Aurvandil expand up the mainland toward Rettleville to pacify those lands. That will take the pressure of Rettleville area, so they can establish a good foothold. From there, the region can actually begin to grow and start to expand into the wilds.
I agree with most of that except I believe that Madina, due to various circumstances, has taken a backseat role in the colonization of the Maroccidens. In fact, I believe the only way they'll return to former glory is if they ignore Aurvandil and the Candiels peninsula and for the time being focus on establishing stability within their island first and foremost. Besides, even if Madina had the infrastructure and power to assist Barca or any other potential colony they'd run into trouble due to the longtime tension between them and Terran/ D'hara.
Rather, if all the realms of the Maroccidens, including Aurvandil, continue to work together than Barca could eventually become (more or less) self-sufficient which would exponentially increase the possibility of a colonized South-West. But I think Barca is the key, they are in the most untamed part of the Maroccidens but their success could pacify the dangerous woodlands of that area which would lead to the mutual benefit of all realms in the area.
In essence I would have to say that a cooperative and fully colonized Maroccidens is my character's greatest dream on Dwilight. Conversely, my greatest fear (IC) is that the colonization of the entire SouthWest may provoke a Zuma attack.... (OOC I think that an attack by Zuma against the united human realms of the Southwest would be epic!)
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I agree with most of that except I believe that Madina, due to various circumstances, has taken a backseat role in the colonization of the Maroccidens. In fact, I believe the only way they'll return to former glory is if they ignore Aurvandil and the Candiels peninsula and for the time being focus on establishing stability within their island first and foremost.
That's pretty much what I said:
"Madina needs to get its act together, become an effective realm, and pacify its home island."
i.e. turn their attention back to their home island, and give up attacking Aurvandil. If Madina insists on attacking Aurvandil, it is quite possible that /both/ realms will fall to monster invasions. They have both recently lost regions to monster attacks, and I hear that Madina is getting an even bigger invasion.
Those rogue regions they have breed monsters like crazy. And on that island, they have nowhere to go except attack Madina.
Rather, if all the realms of the Maroccidens, including Aurvandil, continue to work together than Barca could eventually become (more or less) self-sufficient which would exponentially increase the possibility of a colonized South-West. But I think Barca is the key, they are in the most untamed part of the Maroccidens but their success could pacify the dangerous woodlands of that area which would lead to the mutual benefit of all realms in the area.
In essence I would have to say that a cooperative and fully colonized Maroccidens is my character's greatest dream on Dwilight. Conversely, my greatest fear (IC) is that the colonization of the entire SouthWest may provoke a Zuma attack.... (OOC I think that an attack by Zuma against the united human realms of the Southwest would be epic!)
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From where I'm standing (and that's up in Astrum so this is probably completely wrong) a lasting peace between Madina and Aurvandil seems pretty unlikely. I mean by making a duchy of Madina into an absolute monarchy didn't Aurvandil basically just spit on Madina's oh so cherished constitution? Its hard to imagine an insult like that being ignored...
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Yeah my apologies, when I first read that I assumed you meant Madina get their act together in the sense of unifying with Aurvandil, violently or otherwise, so they would be powerful enough to help colonize the Southwest. But I guess thats what happens when you assume....
From where I'm standing (and that's up in Astrum so this is probably completely wrong) a lasting peace between Madina and Aurvandil seems pretty unlikely. I mean by making a duchy of Madina into an absolute monarchy didn't Aurvandil basically just spit on Madina's oh so cherished constitution? Its hard to imagine an insult like that being ignored...
As for that I would just say, is it an insult worth self destructing your realm over? Since, as Anaris has said, the Madinan isle is too dangerous to effectively fight a civil war and monsters simultaneously....
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As for that I would just say, is it an insult worth self destructing your realm over? Since, as Anaris has said, the Madinan isle is too dangerous to effectively fight a civil war and monsters simultaneously....
Of course any realm would choose survival over honour, however not attacking is not the same as making peace. Unless there is a serious risk of Aurvandil invading (I don't know what the political/military situation is with Aurvandil so I can't comment on the likelihood of that) I'd imagine the "war" to continue on paper while Madina sorts its rogues out.
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Yes no doubt the war will continue on paper and maybe it must to satisfy their honor but the fact is that Madina, in it's current situation can't really afford to make even more enemies in the Southwest if they want to not just survive, but thrive. Of course, there's probably IC reasons that make it difficult for them to do an about face with Aurvandil (as you mentioned the whole spitting on the constitution thing)
also my observations are very much from the point of view of a third party. My character in Terran knows the gist of what's happening in the South but theres an obvious bias against Madina and he has little idea as to the innerworkings of their state apart from the fact that it seems to be on the brink of a breakdown
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My Dream is that Madina will get it acts together and end up defeating Aurvandil and reclaiming its lands. I'd also quite like to have the Grand Duchy of Fissoa incorparated into the realm too. A sorta massivly powerful southern state.
And as a new player with no respect for tradition the first thing to go with be that bloody constitution....
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To form a realm in Golden Farrow with Allison and destroy Caerwyn.
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Truly push the power of the rural regions by holding a realm to ransom by refusing to sell food for anything but extortionate prices!
Paisly pays its townsland and rural 50 gold per unit. Willingly, and completely of its own initiative.
You just live in the wrong place. Sell all your surpluses to D'Hara, we'll be happy to make you rich.
My dream is to just outbid everyone else on food.
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To form a realm in Golden Farrow with Allison and destroy Caerwyn.
And the name of this realm should be "The West".
And the ruler's title should be "Wicked Witch of the".
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And the name of this realm should be "The West".
And the ruler's title should be "Wicked Witch of the".
I like it! Now if only an advy would find some Ruby Slippers...
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I believe the correct name for the realm would be "The East", as that is where Allison comes from.
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I wanne be Duke of Candiels ;D
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I think any city on the water is a great place to be on Dwilight. The water gives you natural boundary to keep monster away. So much easier when you don't have to defend such a large frontier.
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I like it! Now if only an advy would find some Ruby Slippers...
In your dreams ::)
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I think any city on the water is a great place to be on Dwilight. The water gives you natural boundary to keep monster away. So much easier when you don't have to defend such a large frontier.
I didn't pick Shadovar for nothing. 8)
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Except that half of your eastern island is rogue. That is a monster nest.
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Except that half of your eastern island is rogue. That is a monster nest.
Speak for yourself, mister know-it-all. Rogues are so infrequent in D'Hara that we suffer from too much peace in-between the spawns. The east is not a monster nest, it's a line of very few regions that lead to our walls in Nebel.
And we used to hold the whole isles. I think loss of nobles is the main reason we haven't reclaimed them, yet.
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Ok ok, calm down, no need to get all angry on me. lol
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You two were born for each other.
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I think it's because we're in direct competition for mid-western Dwilight food supply.
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That should be a Dwilight University piece, "Duopoly Models of Competition in Mes- and Maroccidental Food Markets." Arcane and hyper-specific articles interesting to very few people? Real academia!
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Though perhaps the first economics paper to reference daimons with a straight face...
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My dread is to see Barca being able to hold a good military strengh that allows her to expand more to the west.
My dream will change but for now my greatest dream is to conquer Darfix. I wonder how much gold it will generate.
I think it would be a great idea to have more water routes we could use to move, although it should take high travel times. This way a colonization of Darfix would be easier, but it would be also easier to attack big cities having sea connections.
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I think it would be a great idea to have more water routes we could use to move, although it should take high travel times.
Sea routes around the outside of the continent would have been nice. I don't see any particular reason why they aren't available, other than a simple oversight.
This way a colonization of Darfix would be easier, but it would be also easier to attack big cities having sea connections.
Getting to Darfix isn't the hard part. That's probably the easiest of all the challenges.
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My dread is to see Barca being able to hold a good military strengh that allows her to expand more to the west.
Interesting, may I ask why?
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Or did you mean dream not dread?
That seems more likely now that I think about it haha
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Nah, I think he got it right.
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Or did you mean dream not dread?
That seems more likely now that I think about it haha
Sorry, you're right, I wanted to say dream
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Having enough food to feed a fully populated Giask (148.500 peasants). I think that that is my biggest dream atm..
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Having enough food to feed a fully populated Giask (148.500 peasants). I think that that is my biggest dream atm..
You should just leave that city rogue, it's not worth feeding. :P
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Having enough food to feed a fully populated Giask (148.500 peasants). I think that that is my biggest dream atm..
Start paying more than D'Hara for food, and you can probably feed your peasants ;)
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Start paying more than D'Hara for food, and you can probably feed your peasants ;)
Yeah do that :)
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Or just make sure my duchy is large enough ;) Besides, I doubt that anyone will be able to sell any food. Fissoa, on who I hoped in the past rather disappointed me ;p
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Or just make sure my duchy is large enough ;) Besides, I doubt that anyone will be able to sell any food. Fissoa, on who I hoped in the past rather disappointed me ;p
You guys aren't offering enough, 40gp per 100? Our Dukes can't even buy food from their own REGIONS at that price. D'Hara pays 50gp per 100, and that's with them coming to pick it up. Guessing our traders would charge at least 60 if you wanted it delivered to Giask, probably more. They are greedy and that city puts out a LOT of gold.
Food is probably the single most valuable commodity in Dwilight. Monsters hit all the food producing regions, Cities are nice and protected but starve as a result.
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Food is probably the single most valuable commodity in Dwilight.
Dwilight, I think, is a good example of how the food game probably should work.
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Dwilight, I think, is a good example of how the food game probably should work.
I agree, but in this case it's an effect of the rogue regions and NPC's. Food should be important, but no other island has any trouble holding food regions or constant monster attacks.
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Dwilight, I think, is a good example of how the food game probably should work.
I dunno, honestly. It makes us take it seriously, yes...
But it also forces me to revolve *everything* around it, and spend crazy efforts on making sure we get what we requiring without causing price wars or uncontrolled inflation. It also means that unless food is directly involved and our stores are running low, war is out of question. In a way, I consider food to be another kind of maintenance, and I wouldn't want to have to spend the time I spend on it for Dwilight on all the other continents.
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I am dreading the task ahead of me. I will end up colonizing either Golden Farrow (yea, a little optimistic), or it will end up being Flowrestown. Both cities are about the same size. I am dreading having to feed either city. Founding a new realm is a lot of work. There is already a pretty extensive list of dead realms on Dwilight. Founding a new realm is by no means easy. I wonder what the success rate for new realms is on Dwilight is? I've supported new realms founding, but never done it myself. The Entai thing never had a chance of success.
It was a really fun couple of days though! I just want to found a single duchy realm in a larger city. Darfix is just too far away and spoken for. I like the location of Golden Farrow.
That is my dream. Found a new, successful realm.
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I dunno, honestly. It makes us take it seriously, yes...
But it also forces me to revolve *everything* around it, and spend crazy efforts on making sure we get what we requiring without causing price wars or uncontrolled inflation. It also means that unless food is directly involved and our stores are running low, war is out of question. In a way, I consider food to be another kind of maintenance, and I wouldn't want to have to spend the time I spend on it for Dwilight on all the other continents.
I would suggest that D'Hara's situation is special. For most realms, food is a bigger concern than on other continents (largely because of seasons I suspect, moreso even than monsters). But in D'Hara, you must be uniquely concerned with it. Basically, you need a realm of traders, priests, and diplomats, with the occasional soldier.
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Mm, food...You guys have no idea...
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Mm, food...You guys have no idea...
Do you post just purely for the sake of upping your post count?
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You're beginning to sound like Draco Tanos, only trying to attack my post count.
No, I'm stating a fact. You guys really don't understand just how tough low food income is on Dwilight.
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You're beginning to sound like Draco Tanos, only trying to attack my post count.
No, I'm stating a fact. You guys really don't understand just how tough low food income is on Dwilight.
As opposed to the Zuma, with a handful of badlands that probably have a total population count of about 13?
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Sorry, you're off with the total population count. I guess it's been a long time since you last visited.
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Sorry, you're off with the total population count.
Not by that much. :p 100 bushels of food feeds you guys for, what, a week? Longer?
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I'm not sure if I've posted here or not, but my current dream for Hyperion is to become a ruler of a realm. Doesn't have to be a new realm, might be Caerwyn, but with such a large ruler's channel and such a large continent, it would be fun to lead a realm on Dwilight more than anywhere else.
That or sell a city to another realm for 10,000 gold. ::) Nah, probably not, but that would be an easy family wealth boost.
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Not by that much. :p 100 bushels of food feeds you guys for, what, a week? Longer?
Not saying...only going to say I can pay the current agreed biweekly price with Terran comfortably even if it were a weekly deal.
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...with such a large ruler's channel and such a large continent, it would be fun to lead a realm on Dwilight more than anywhere else.
Meh... Dwilight ruler's channel is as boring as any other ruler's channel. There's no more communication there than on, for example, FEI. Or EC. The main problem with Dwilight is that realms are so isolated that there's not a lot of direct interaction between realms. The ruler's channel is mostly used as a handy way to pick those two or three you want to talk to.
Anyway, the rulers channel in general is almost always a place for showmanship, soapboxing, and playing to the crowd. Nothing truly important ever gets discussed in public. Everything important is worked out in private.
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Heh, the first and last thing that was ever mentioned on the ruler channel being ruler is when one of the Luries ruler was complaining to the other one about something. It had absolutely no relevance to anyone besides those two, and I remember it being very small in importance. Being on the other side of the continent, it was just pointless blabber.
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Last I remember on Dwilight ruler's channel was PeL publicly complaining to LE about some Dwilight University guildhouse getting torn down.
... who cares, right?
Or was it some other guild? Meh. You can tell how much I paid attention to it, right?
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You mean the sacking of a Dwilight Tradin Company guildhouse?
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Oh, was that it? Yeah, you can tell how much *anyone* cared about it.
Like I said, public grandstanding.
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I think the arguing about it lasted for about a day. And it was so boring that /I/ stepped in and told people to shut it, and you know how much I enjoy a good argument :)
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And it only had 2 !@#$ing gold on it...
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I'm not sure if I've posted here or not, but my current dream for Hyperion is to become a ruler of a realm. Doesn't have to be a new realm, might be Caerwyn, but with such a large ruler's channel and such a large continent, it would be fun to lead a realm on Dwilight more than anywhere else.
That or sell a city to another realm for 10,000 gold. ::) Nah, probably not, but that would be an easy family wealth boost.
Nothing gets said on the ruler channel. Maybe 2 messages in the last 2 months or so. Exchanges are mostly kept regional.
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Nothing gets said on the ruler channel. Maybe 2 messages in the last 2 months or so. Exchanges are mostly kept regional.
That's ballsy! I don't have a chance at rulership in Caerwyn anymore anyways, so now I get to pick and choose the best realm for adventures and fun :D
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My new Dwilight dream... To be the Lord of Smokey Hills! 8)
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My new Dwilight dream... To be the Lord of Smokey Hills! 8)
I used to be dreaming of the Garuck Udor Lordship! :P
...and then Alanna stomped Myern in the ground, lol ::)
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My dream: re-energize Libero Empire.
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My dream: re-energize Libero Empire.
It needs it! pick a fight with Summerdale. War is always good for revitalization.
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It needs it! pick a fight with Summerdale. War is always good for revitalization.
the problem is the lack of Nobles, ok imagine that LE smashes Summerdale but how they can maintain new regions? This is a general problem, a war can start if there is no more free room for Nobles. You can always start a war because it's fun but they should have some good RP basis if not it becomes just hack and slash
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Hmm... You should attack Summerdale not to gain land, but to extract an official apology for their support of Thulsoma while LE and Thulsoma were at war. Go for it!
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or force the realm of summerdale to align to the libero empire as vassal state and pay the libero empire one or two regions and tax payment(or the other way around), so you also have a conflict for the future instead of just settling everything. :P
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both good points but I'm not a player of LE, I wanted just to point out that in Dwi the main problem is lack of Nobles so many dremas (just to stay IT) may be hampered by that fact
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There may be something happening between LE and Summerdale soon.
Meanwhile, I'm trying to see what can be done to create fun RP in LE aside from any wars.
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Who wants to cause a rebellion in LE so we can fight Summerdale? I'm in 8)
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Welcome to try. Last rebellion didn't go so well.
Besides . . . I may or may not be in talks with the ruler of Summerdale about having a friendly little war.
Well, friendly for the nobles involved. Not so much for the footsoldiers. But if the peasants think there is too much peace and our troops actually want to go fight and die . . . who am I to stop them?
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Friendly war on Dwilight? I really hope you're joking.
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I would honestly like to start a new realm with its capital at Balance's Retreat.
As this is currently not realistically possible, it would have to be once the new resource system is put in place, provided it gives enough benefit.
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I would honestly like to start a new realm with its capital at Balance's Retreat.
As this is currently not realistically possible, it would have to be once the new resource system is put in place, provided it gives enough benefit.
That's my dream too! Want to team up? :P Anyway as you said it's not possible right now, not enough food.
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That's my dream too! Want to team up? :P Anyway as you said it's not possible right now, not enough food.
I've seen the devs quote that every region except a city can feed itself. The food wouldn't be a problem. The problem would be the gold. On top of everything else. Being in Barca has well prepared me for starting a new realm :-)
I'm sure a could use a few extra peons as stepping stones toward my dream :P
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The monster spawn in the mountains is an order of magnitude worse than anything you saw in Barca.
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The monster spawn in the mountains is an order of magnitude worse than anything you saw in Barca.
Sure, it would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible. There were many factors that made Barca successful, that wouldn't be present in that region. But no one said a dream had to be easy.
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If you don't dream big, what's the use in dreaming?
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Speaking of dreaming big...
My dream is a human led invasion of the Zuma.
In the not so distant future Barca, Asylon and the Golden Farrow realm will all be much stronger than they presently are. If they each sent 7,000 CS and Terran and D'hara did the same, we would have an unprecedented 35,000 CS to throw at the Zuma.
It would truly be the most epic of wars.
Well, time to turn my char into an anti Zuma zealot and plant the seed of a crusade against the abominations..
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we would have an unprecedented 35,000 CS to throw at the Zuma.
And we would all die gloriously.
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In the not so distant future Barca, Asylon and the Golden Farrow realm will all be much stronger than they presently are. If they each sent 7,000 CS and Terran and D'hara did the same, we would have an unprecedented 35,000 CS to throw at the Zuma.
Unprecedented? You'll have to gather a few thousand more CS before you can claim that for Dwilight.
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And we would all die gloriously.
Naw, the numbers aren't that bad--at least in the regions I traveled through. I suspect that they would spawn a lot more soliders if we did try something like that, however.
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Naw, the numbers aren't that bad--at least in the regions I traveled through. I suspect that they would spawn a lot more soliders if we did try something like that, however.
I know. I've traveled through there too. I've fought the Zuma.
I just only assume that what the Zuma keep laying around to fight monsters is a lot less than what they're capable of. Also, honestly, who knows if they possess any powers we're not even aware of?
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I know. I've traveled through there too. I've fought the Zuma.
I just only assume that what the Zuma keep laying around to fight monsters is a lot less than what they're capable of. Also, honestly, who knows if they possess any powers we're not even aware of?
They almost certainly do.
Simplest example is recruitment. They must have favorable recruitment mechanics that we do not fully understand to even maintain an army at all in their low-population, low-gold, low-food lands. Given the quite large size of that army, they must have a very significantly different mechanic; one which we do not understand. While the rumblings a while back could have been indicative that they were under strain, and they seem to have at least some threshold of food demand, even with several tens of thousands of CS I wouldn't want to tangle with the Zuma; not unless every realm were committed to a very long-term war.
But, if the new estates go well, and we are all able to expand a bit more, especially given the shockingly low monster spawns we've seen recently... fighting the Zuma could be possible in the next 2 RL years or so.
And, beyond the dream of creating a hegemony of the Maroccidens with me as its head, burning Nightmarch to the ground and sticking Artemesia's head on the end of a spear is my next biggest dream.
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Speaking of dreaming big...
My dream is a human led invasion of the Zuma.
In the not so distant future Barca, Asylon and the Golden Farrow realm will all be much stronger than they presently are. If they each sent 7,000 CS and Terran and D'hara did the same, we would have an unprecedented 35,000 CS to throw at the Zuma.
It would truly be the most epic of wars.
Well, time to turn my char into an anti Zuma zealot and plant the seed of a crusade against the abominations..
You sound like you need to join the Manifest Path! One of the explicit goals is to cleanse Dwilight of all the abominations, and we should be sending a Priest thataway soon to try and convert people. And I'd love to see a joint SA/tMP Crusade to clear out the Zuma.
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You sound like you need to join the Manifest Path! One of the explicit goals is to cleanse Dwilight of all the abominations, and we should be sending a Priest thataway soon to try and convert people. And I'd love to see a joint SA/tMP Crusade to clear out the Zuma.
Allison is in! Simply because Garret is there. He makes such a fun enemy and I haven't had a chance to poke him in game for a long time.
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Oh count me in for Garrett smashing!
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If you don't dream big, what's the use in dreaming?
What's bigger than a near-impossible task? But that's not the reason. Think of the classy RP that could come out of a small realm with Balance's Retreat and the surrounding mountains? That is a realm I'd want to be a part of. And yeah, Barca does teach you to live on a very tight budget, though things are certainly improving :)
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Naw, the numbers aren't that bad--at least in the regions I traveled through. I suspect that they would spawn a lot more soliders if we did try something like that, however.
You realise that like the invaders on BT, the raw CS of their troops is probably not a great indication of their actual effectiveness.
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You realise that like the invaders on BT, the raw CS of their troops is probably not a great indication of their actual effectiveness.
Don't get me wrong--I think each daimon was about 10 times the strength of each human, they are certainly not pushovers. The question really boils down to, how quickly can they recruit more?
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Consider this:
IF the decision to go to war with the Zuma was passed by the Veinsormoot we would have D'hara, Barca and Terran on board ( since this scenario is in the future Barca has a tough military and D'hara has few food problems due to Barca's surplus).
Asylon would most likely get involved because of their good relations with Terran and the Veinsormoot.
Allison and Golden Farrow would get involved because of her dislike of Garret. (again, since this is the future we can assume GF has developed into a decently tough realm)
The other SA realms (Astrum, Morek, Corsanctum) would most likely get involved to support Allison.
The Lurias would join due to their religious quest to cleanse the monsters of Dwi. This would include PeL, LN, and the new realm in Shinnen.
This leaves Madina, Fissoa and Libero/ Summerdale without a decent reason to join but I imagine Madina would since they envision themselves as some sort of "free world" power and Libero and Summerdale would because, hey, why not, nothing better to do up there. And Fissoa would likely also end up sending troops just to not be left out lol
Now we have 14 realms...against the Zuma....
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The other SA realms (Astrum, Morek, Corsanctum) would most likely get involved to support Allison.
/me spews coffee all over his keyboard...
I think you really don't understand Allison's relationship to the rest of SA.
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/me spews coffee all over his keyboard...
I think you really don't understand Allison's relationship to the rest of SA.
HAHAHA! yea, Allison is the black sheep of SA. Everyone... and I do mean everyone... in SA has a reason to hate Allison. Somehow, someway she has managed to stay on top.
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Ok maybe "to support Allison" was the wrong way to say it.
Still, an anti Zuma crusade is not hard to turn into a religious issue and I feel like someone as wily as Allison WILL be able to garner support from the other SA realms
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Ok maybe "to support Allison" was the wrong way to say it.
Still, an anti Zuma crusade is not hard to turn into a religious issue and I feel like someone as wily as Allison WILL be able to garner support from the other SA realms
I doubt Asylon would join in. I really doubt it.
And I doubt any of the 'moot realms care enough to sacrifice their realm to fight the Zuma.
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Ok maybe "to support Allison" was the wrong way to say it.
Still, an anti Zuma crusade is not hard to turn into a religious issue and I feel like someone as wily as Allison WILL be able to garner support from the other SA realms
I think you overestimate our zeal. That's one hell of a long march for most of the SA realms. It takes Morek like a week just to get to Astrum. Tack on another week easily to get to Zuma lands from there. Even Astrum seems unlikely to be interested. We have lots and lots of problems of our own, like mass monster migrations out of the west.
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Don't get me wrong--I think each daimon was about 10 times the strength of each human, they are certainly not pushovers. The question really boils down to, how quickly can they recruit more?
If they have units like the daimons on BT do, the CS value is a *gross* understatement of their actual effectiveness.
I would also suspect that destroying the Zuma might not be possible. They were obviously put there for a reason by Tom. I doubt that reason was to be a punching bag.
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There to be a challenge? Who doesn't like a challenge? But yeah, Asylon has them there demon worshippers, doesn't it?
The real problem with this is that most realms don't trust the other realms on Dwilight. So one, or even a couple, go up against the Zuma and the rest will just sit back grinning at their misfortune. I'd assume.
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There to be a challenge? Who doesn't like a challenge? But yeah, Asylon has them there demon worshippers, doesn't it?
The real problem with this is that most realms don't trust the other realms on Dwilight. So one, or even a couple, go up against the Zuma and the rest will just sit back grinning at their misfortune. I'd assume.
Given there's no real reason to join in, indeed.
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The real problem with this is that most realms don't trust the other realms on Dwilight. So one, or even a couple, go up against the Zuma and the rest will just sit back grinning at their misfortune. I'd assume.
If you poke the sleeping bear with a pointy stick, expect to get mauled.
Brance doesn't want to get mauled. He saw the battle report from when the Zuma went on the war path last time.
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The Lurias would join due to their religious quest to cleanse the monsters of Dwi. This would include PeL, LN, and the new realm in Shinnen.
Even we Lurians aint craz.... Religious enough to go sailing and marching half way round the continent to get battered. We would need to have Subjecated D'hara/Madina first to give us a base of operations....
Give us a few RL years ;)
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Even we Lurians aint craz.... Religious enough to go sailing and marching half way round the continent to get battered. We would need to have Subjecated D'hara/Madina first to give us a base of operations....
Give us a few RL years ;)
Want to go get yourselves killed against the Zuma? Be our guests.
Then again, our passage rights are likely to go both ways.
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Want to go get yourselves killed against the Zuma? Be our guests.
Then again, our passage rights are likely to go both ways.
Well we have a few people in the area. I am confident with any gold, food and men it *could* be possible to subjugate the Zuma... would need a strong empire though and plenty of support... but it *could* be possible... maybe ;)
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Hell, even if it isn't possible, the ones who survive will have great stories to tell.
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Hell, even if it isn't possible, the ones who survive will have great stories to tell.
Great, terrible stories of horror and slaughter... :-X
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My greatest dream on Dwilight?
To crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentation of their women.
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Already done that. Was there anything else?
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Help create a realm that completely occupies the Maroccidens. It's Northern border is south Evenfell and Gretchew, runs all the way down to Candiels, and of course from coast to coast.
Join Barca. ;) We won't completely occupy the whole Maroccidens, but we can come a long way.
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Join Barca. ;) We won't completely occupy the whole Maroccidens, but we can come a long way.
yeah! kick d'hara back in the ocean and then burn them pesky terrans!
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I don't see that happening, sorry.