The final statement someone has made about this is that there is no backend reinforcement (from Titans/Tom) to stop players from abusing RP knowledge in this way. That players are free to abuse things however they want and nothing can be done to them.
In Character versus Out of Character
In Character, abbreviated IC, is what qualifies as "roleplay" even if the "roleplay" message type is not used. Out of Character, or OOC, is when you, the player, are communicating something to the other players.
The two are and must be kept separate!
Example:
One day you read a roleplay sent to the entire realm that is occuring between King Garhook and High Marshal Funman. In this roleplay, the two characters are having a dialogue, while walking along the palace in the capital.
In this example, unless your character is there, AND you are roleplaying that you are there and listening, OR you are told via another character who is, your character does NOT know about what they are saying. This is because what you the player knows (OOC) is different from what your character knows (IC).
Example 2:
One day you read a roleplay, again sent to the realm, in which another character, Lord Haha, thinks to himself, 'I wish I could kill all of these rodents and become the Tyrant of our realm!'
In this example, no matter what your character is doing, your character has NO knowledge of what Lord Haha has just thought. It would be very bad roleplay for you, then, to have your character respond with something like "That's awful Lord Haha, and I call on the Judge to banish you!" In fact, if you responded like that, your character would be a mind-reader (definitely a no-no in a low-fantasy setting like Battlemaster - and in a medieval setting, you'd be burned at the stake for Witchcraft).
In conclusion, just because a roleplay is sent to you via "to the entire realm," does not automatically mean your character will know anything that that happens in the roleplay. Use your common sense - don't respond to another character's internal thoughts, or private discussions taking place half a Realm away.
If you're banking on everyone in BM not being a douche 100% of the time, you shouldn't get your hopes up too high I'm afraid...
This kind of thing has been happening since BM started and it will go on until BM stops, . If you have to RP about your shenanigans, do it to a crowd that won't sell you out, or do it at a time where people can't use it against you anymore, or when it doesn't matter if they do.
Person x makes a roleplay with information
Person y finds out that information via an other way and uses it.
Person x claims person y broke the code and now person x has to defend himself because he looks a bad boy
How many of those discussions will we get?
And this, in a nutshell, is the problem.
Then its a simple case of Person Y roleplaying how they got that information, remarkably it is a very simple solution.
The final statement someone has made about this is that there is no backend reinforcement (from Titans/Tom) to stop players from abusing RP knowledge in this way.Just to amplify this point:
Then its a simple case of Person Y roleplaying how they got that information, remarkably it is a very simple solution.
Unless person Y doesn't want to share that info? If a close friend of person x gave away that info for example.
Player A stopped and looked at Player B "You are sure of this? He plans to invade her duchy?"
"Indeed Player A. When he told me, I knew I had to tell you and get you to warn her, we can not afford another war" Player B responded
Player A stopped and looked at the man, a man who had Player C's ear and confidence, "You are sure of this? He plans to invade her duchy?"
"Indeed Player A. When he told me, I knew I had to tell you and get you to warn her, we can not afford another war" came the response.
Player A stopped and looked his informant, "You are sure of this? He plans to invade her duchy?"
"Indeed Player A. When he told me, I knew I had to tell you and get you to warn her, we can not afford another war" the informant replied.
After talking with LilWolf on IRC:
It is true that Tom, the Titans, the devs, the Magistrates, etc cannot realistically police the (ab)use of such information.
However, the current guidance on the Wiki—and Tom's official position—is, indeed, actively chilling potentially positive roleplay within the game.
If it is desired that this be something that the players police for themselves, then why not say this? Rather than just a blunt statement that OOC information being used IC cannot be punished, why not say something like the following:
"Use of OOC information IC, or use of information from people's roleplays that you would not reasonably be able to obtain access to in-character, is strongly frowned upon, and it is expected that the players will police this and deal harshly in-character with those who show up with knowledge they could not have obtained save through dark magics."
This could go a long way toward changing the atmosphere and attitude toward such actions. If it was considered unacceptable by the majority of players to use such information nefariously (at least openly), we might very well see a lot more interesting RP—and I think a lot of us would enjoy that.
I say this for probably the 79th time:ROLEPLAYING IS NOT THE SAME AS WRITING NARRATIVES
I don't know of anyone in Luria douchey enough to magically know what happened in that RP.
On the other hand, your doing that RP means that logically deducing who did it can't be done any more. Considering the fact that you placed an enormous bounty and were one of the richest people involved in that whole debate, anyone with half a brain could deduce that you did it. Now, if someone were to say they did so, they would look like an !@#$%^& who just ripped information from the rp, turning the whole thing into a messy catastrophe.
I just don't see how what I did was wrong though. I RP'ed a narrative of my character which explained the reasons for his actions. As a player I don't mind if people figure out that he was the one who set the bounty.
The only part I mind, is if people say that he set the bounty without even RP'ing reasoning behind it. My character is easily one of the top suspects for the bounty placement and logic used to relay that would be quite acceptable. However, if asked: "How do you know?" and they don't have a good response, then that is where the problem is.
If you don't mind, then why did you force it down their throats? You have prevented the guessing game.
This isn't anything like everyone knowing that Jenred is insane on the Far East. (Everyone does know that right?)
You're kidding, right? He sent an RP, one I and I'm sure others enjoyed reading, in an RP game, to all of the relevant people who might be interested in it, and he's now being attacked for this?
I just don't see how what I did was wrong though.IMO you didn't do anything wrong at all. But you should be aware of the possibility that some people may use the information in inappropriate ways. Having posted it the information, anyone can make up an RP that gives them the information IC. It could be as simple as sending a trusted lackey to go bribe some criminal for the information.
IMO you didn't do anything wrong at all. But you should be aware of the possibility that some people may use the information in inappropriate ways. Having posted it the information, anyone can make up an RP that gives them the information IC. It could be as simple as sending a trusted lackey to go bribe some criminal for the information.
I play by the simple rule: If you don't want people to know, then don't tell them. By telling them, you are inviting them to know, one way or the other.
He's being attacked for being upset for IC information that he is sending to other players could be used against his character. After all, he placed a bounty--anyone can claim to have seen him do so.
He needs to accept the consequences of his own decision to send the RP. Nothing more, nothing less.
No. He's upset because people told him, OOC, not to make his RP's public. He's confused by people who would then use that RP without bothering to come up with an RP of their own to justify how they found it out, and doesn't think that is good for the game. I concur with him on both points.
Thank you for this statement, as it says exactly my feelings in a clear and concise manner.
Thank you for this statement, as it says exactly my feelings in a clear and concise manner.
No. He's upset because people told him, OOC, not to make his RP's public. He's confused by people who would then use that RP without bothering to come up with an RP of their own to justify how they found it out, and doesn't think that is good for the game. I concur with him on both points.
I think I may post an RP about my guards reporting to me about Jenred coming out of a certain house in Remton on the arm of a young woman.
Of course, what I won't put in the RP is the fact that I instructed my guards to tell this lie to me while I was in the presence of several members of my household staff, leaving an opportunity for someone else to pick up the rumor...
*dun dun dun*
I think I may post an RP about my guards reporting to me about Jenred coming out of a certain house in Remton on the arm of a young woman.
Of course, what I won't put in the RP is the fact that I instructed my guards to tell this lie to me while I was in the presence of several members of my household staff, leaving an opportunity for someone else to pick up the rumor...
*dun dun dun*
This is such a good idea! I've been needing a way to ruin a marriage... ;)
If Jenred's last name is Bedwyre, I certainly could have used such information for my own gains :D
If not... gossip is gossip.
yeah, I was going to use a temple, but your family page does not mention your faith.
Jenred is a devout believer in the Aenil, and specifically follows Amriel. He's a Paladin, in point of fact. Think he's the only living Paladin in the MAE...