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Title: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Dante Silverfire on January 13, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
(Dwilight)

So, a lively discussion concerning Role playing, players perception of it, how it can be used, and such has recently begun in the Lurian realms in response to an RP of my character's thoughts while sitting in a region. My character was contemplating his need to place a bounty (a rather large one) on two of his so called "allies" who are also part of Luria. The entire thing was the character's thoughts and thought process about what was taking place and how he should respond to it based on certain things. I sent the RP to my entire realm (PeL) and then to our guild which has a large membership of all 3 Lurian realms jointly because I figured those were the two groups who would best understand the RP and could then get a better feel for my character (from a player pov) and because I feel that Roleplaying is fun and is an important part of the game.

After doing so, I got backlash asking that I don't send RP's to such a wide range of people because it forces the players to deal with having knowledge which their characters do not and which if their characters knew would likely act a different way towards my character. The reasoning was that because they had received the RP through their character (not OOC tagged) and even though it was listed as an RP could lead players to use the information of my character's private thoughts and thus cause problems, etc...

I was taken a bit aback by this because I consider the whole point of roleplaying is to show your characters "character" as you will and their reasons, reactions, etc... for things. Every RP you do (unless its about some stupid, LOL, LMAO thing) is going to reflect this in someway and thus likely have something in it which could "hurt" your character from a strategic standpoint if used against you unjustly.

Now, I can understand when you RP a conversation that someone else can RP it being overheard, from spies, etc... or other similar things but private thoughts of someone's head while these can be even more revealing should never be able to be used.

The Question I have for the community of players, is do we have any sort of sanctity of role play? I mean quite frankly I was surprised by the outburst against the RP that I did because I believe it is a fun part of the game and is what makes BM unique from a simple strategy game. Since there is no "winning" in Battlemaster, I see no reason for anyone to do what I consider "cheating" by using OOC information gathered from RP's to adjust behaviors or otherwise. (I'm not saying that if I RP: "We will attack region X, in 2 days from region Y" to the RUler's channel that it won't happen to accidentaly be used or quite simply purposefully used against me) but this whole situation seems weird to me.

The final statement someone has made about this is that there is no backend reinforcement (from Titans/Tom) to stop players from abusing RP knowledge in this way. That players are free to abuse things however they want and nothing can be done to them. The only reaction of course is to change your reactions for your own characters outside of what they would normally do to fix the situation or punish the character which you knew to abuse it. I don't see this as an ideal solution.

Overall, I'm perplexed and would love to hear what the community has to say. I can post a copy of the RP if that is necessary, (since anyone involved would of course already know about it) but want to hear what my fellow players think on a large scale.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Sacha on January 13, 2012, 02:58:14 PM
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The final statement someone has made about this is that there is no backend reinforcement (from Titans/Tom) to stop players from abusing RP knowledge in this way. That players are free to abuse things however they want and nothing can be done to them.

That pretty much sums up the whole thing. There is no RP police and there likely never will be, so if someone uses your 'secret' RP against you, either deal with it IC, or accept the fact that you gave them the opportunity to use it.

I consider it similar to leaving your car unlocked in a bad neighborhood. The people who steal it are criminals, but then again, you made it very easy for them to dick you over.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Miriam Ics on January 13, 2012, 03:19:00 PM
I answer in the wrong post so will copy/paste here.

I think that RP is a lot more complex than to RP thoughts.
What is said in OOC *shouldn't* be used never by the characters, but we can't avoid this. I saw irc information being spread around IC as it were told by the char.
Thoughts, can never be known so as a description of something that happen far from everyone, but, many people just can't write well, some more can't interpret the writing even if it were from a good writer, and another bunch don't care for RP enough to not use it as a weapon or as a tool.

Another problem is about what should or should not be RP'd.
Why do one need to RP thoughts?
To make sure all the others understand that he/she didn't like it?
Thinking about this, I need to confess I did this once or twice.

If we think about why we are doing something, most of the times we will not do it.
RP is not different.
My advise would be: think twice on *why* you need to RP this or that to be sure is necessary for the understanding of your character.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Ramiel on January 13, 2012, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Roleplaying
In Character versus Out of Character

In Character, abbreviated IC, is what qualifies as "roleplay" even if the "roleplay" message type is not used. Out of Character, or OOC, is when you, the player, are communicating something to the other players.
The two are and must be kept separate!
Example:
One day you read a roleplay sent to the entire realm that is occuring between King Garhook and High Marshal Funman. In this roleplay, the two characters are having a dialogue, while walking along the palace in the capital.
In this example, unless your character is there, AND you are roleplaying that you are there and listening, OR you are told via another character who is, your character does NOT know about what they are saying. This is because what you the player knows (OOC) is different from what your character knows (IC).
Example 2:
One day you read a roleplay, again sent to the realm, in which another character, Lord Haha, thinks to himself, 'I wish I could kill all of these rodents and become the Tyrant of our realm!'
In this example, no matter what your character is doing, your character has NO knowledge of what Lord Haha has just thought. It would be very bad roleplay for you, then, to have your character respond with something like "That's awful Lord Haha, and I call on the Judge to banish you!" In fact, if you responded like that, your character would be a mind-reader (definitely a no-no in a low-fantasy setting like Battlemaster - and in a medieval setting, you'd be burned at the stake for Witchcraft).
In conclusion, just because a roleplay is sent to you via "to the entire realm," does not automatically mean your character will know anything that that happens in the roleplay. Use your common sense - don't respond to another character's internal thoughts, or private discussions taking place half a Realm away.

Also sums it up nicely however. And frankly is much more Roleplay friendly than everyone being douches and trying to 'win'. Maybe there is no RP Police from the Titans/Tom but the community should be able to police itself quite effectively through the options of ignoring it completely, or burning someone on the stake for being a mind-reader. However that would assume everyone can actually agree to be not be a douche and to respect the roleplay being done.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Sacha on January 13, 2012, 03:30:00 PM
If you're banking on everyone in BM not being a douche 100% of the time, you shouldn't get your hopes up too high I'm afraid...

This kind of thing has been happening since BM started and it will go on until BM stops, . If you have to RP about your shenanigans, do it to a crowd that won't sell you out, or do it at a time where people can't use it against you anymore, or when it doesn't matter if they do.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Ramiel on January 13, 2012, 03:40:57 PM
If you're banking on everyone in BM not being a douche 100% of the time, you shouldn't get your hopes up too high I'm afraid...

This kind of thing has been happening since BM started and it will go on until BM stops, . If you have to RP about your shenanigans, do it to a crowd that won't sell you out, or do it at a time where people can't use it against you anymore, or when it doesn't matter if they do.

I know, I know, a foolish thought that everyone would respect Fair Play. But hey, I can be a naive idealist surely? :D

Besides, if the majority of the community agreed to not be a douche and take action against douches, then the douches would stop being douches (I am even using this american word right? no idea!) at least in my mind, since they would have no one left to be douches against.

Its sort of like the death of the Internet Troll to be honest, we can now block people, ignore people, or outright ban and exile them from our online worlds (at least social networking wise), and I guarantee that those dear trolls will very soon be an extinct species renegaded to the dregs of the internet forums and websites. I just prefer to take a pro-action stance and take it apart here and now rather than wait a few years.

Lament that technology does not always upgrade everything at the same time :D
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Perth on January 13, 2012, 03:45:19 PM
Indeed, people SHOULD respect the basic concepts of RP and shouldn't have their characters acting on information they shouldn't actually know.

But since there is no formal enforcement of this via the Titans, etc. then it must be up the community.


Honestly, I think a nicely spelled out "RP Honor Code" would do a lot. It could easily be referenced by players and would do away with any confusion there might be over what is okay and what is not okay, and it could help the community self-police itself/promote good gameplay/roleplay.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: D`Este on January 13, 2012, 04:00:25 PM
Person x makes a roleplay with information
Person y finds out that information via an other way and uses it.
Person x claims person y broke the code and now person x has to defend himself because he looks a bad boy

How many of those discussions will we get?

Why don't people just play their characters according how they were made and use RP's to enlighten parts of the character when they want others to know. Don't go write Rp's with information others aren't allowed to know, keep that to yourself, else we will have an endless debate how people found out information.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Anaris on January 13, 2012, 04:04:02 PM
Person x makes a roleplay with information
Person y finds out that information via an other way and uses it.
Person x claims person y broke the code and now person x has to defend himself because he looks a bad boy

How many of those discussions will we get?

And this, in a nutshell, is the problem.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Ramiel on January 13, 2012, 04:17:04 PM
And this, in a nutshell, is the problem.

Then its a simple case of Person Y roleplaying how they got that information, remarkably it is a very simple solution.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Anaris on January 13, 2012, 04:23:39 PM
Then its a simple case of Person Y roleplaying how they got that information, remarkably it is a very simple solution.

And if Person Y is lying?
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Sacha on January 13, 2012, 04:24:05 PM
"I bribed one of your closest vassals."

There's your RPed explanation.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Indirik on January 13, 2012, 04:24:12 PM
The final statement someone has made about this is that there is no backend reinforcement (from Titans/Tom) to stop players from abusing RP knowledge in this way.
Just to amplify this point:
There is no possible way that Tom, the Titans, the Magistrates, or *any* body of "RP Police" can enforce any kind of IC/OOC knowledge split, or punish any kind of infraction. It's practically impossible for them to determine whether or not the accused player has obtained the information in a legitimate, IC way. In order to do so, the enforcing body would have to be able to read all of the accused player's messages. So any time that Alice accuses Bob of using OOC knowledge IC, then Charlie would have to open up Bob's messages, and read 30 days worth of Bob's messages to see if Bob really did know that information IC. And even then you risk making the wrong decision, because maybe Bob learned it more than 30 days ago, and the message is gone already. And then you have to worry that maybe Charlie is misusing all the information that *he* gets from trolling Bob's messages.

This entire endeavor would be a stupidly time-consuming process.

And then there are all kinds of other problems where Alice only *thinks* Bob is using some OOC information, but Bob is really doing what he's doing for an entirely different reason. Or Bob is smart enough to disguise the fact that he's misusing that OOC information, and cleverly devises some other plausible IC reason to take actions in response to the OOC information. (i.e. you only catch the stupid people, or the first-time offenders. Next time, they'll be smarter about it.) Or maybe Dave is being a metagaming ass, and used OOC knowledge IC but set Bob up as the fall guy by giving Bob the OOC information in such a way as to make Bob think it was valid IC information.

No matter how you slice it, there can be no realistic way for anyone to enforce any of this.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: D`Este on January 13, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
Then its a simple case of Person Y roleplaying how they got that information, remarkably it is a very simple solution.

Unless person Y doesn't want to share that info? If a close friend of person x gave away that info for example.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Ramiel on January 13, 2012, 05:37:55 PM
Unless person Y doesn't want to share that info? If a close friend of person x gave away that info for example.

Then instead of saying:

Quote from: Roleplay
Player A stopped and looked at Player B "You are sure of this? He plans to invade her duchy?"
"Indeed Player A. When he told me, I knew I had to tell you and get you to warn her, we can not afford another war" Player B responded

You could do:

Quote from: Revised Roleplay
Player A stopped and looked at the man, a man who had Player C's ear and confidence, "You are sure of this? He plans to invade her duchy?"
"Indeed Player A. When he told me, I knew I had to tell you and get you to warn her, we can not afford another war" came the response.

Or:

Quote from: Revised Roleplay - Take 2
Player A stopped and looked his informant, "You are sure of this? He plans to invade her duchy?"
"Indeed Player A. When he told me, I knew I had to tell you and get you to warn her, we can not afford another war" the informant replied.


Although I will admit that this forces us to trust that people are not just douchebagging us and not taking it direct from RP w/e and actually ARE learning about this in a valid RP and IC way.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Ramiel on January 13, 2012, 05:38:53 PM
And Player A can always tell him (lets call him player C) in a fully OOC way how he got the information.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: LilWolf on January 13, 2012, 05:57:36 PM
If you want to do narrative RP in BM you'd best do it with just "fluff" that has nothing to do with anything important. Sure, RP how great a hunt your character had or how he charmed a few ladies, but steer well away from anything that just might affect something(diplomacy, your standing with the king etc.)

Or do the other option and just don't RP. The latter option seems to be what a lot of players have chosen. I know I have.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Ramiel on January 13, 2012, 06:30:17 PM
Which, LilWolf, frankly makes BattleMaster a non-roleplaying game full stop.

If roleplayers cant roleplay without one douchebag ruining it for everyone by godmodding (and that is what they are doing in effect) and most the community seems fine with the way things are and allow that douchebag to just go ahead and do it, then simply put its not a Roleplaying game.

What irks me is that on any other continent, sure fine, thats the way I see the game set up. But on Dwilight, the actual RP and SMA world...
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Perth on January 13, 2012, 06:34:15 PM
Honestly, RP's between two people or a group of several people are usually the way to go these days and I have always found them to be the most fruitful because all parties are interested in trying to create something fun and interesting.

Save your RP energy for those meetings between conspirators, relationships between liege and vassal, close friends reminiscing over old the days, etc. Generic RP's sent out to the whole realm will probably never be a productive or engaging as ones between cooperative and willing parties.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Sacha on January 13, 2012, 07:20:18 PM
I say this for probably the 79th time:

ROLEPLAYING IS NOT THE SAME AS WRITING NARRATIVES
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Anaris on January 13, 2012, 08:21:02 PM
After talking with LilWolf on IRC:

It is true that Tom, the Titans, the devs, the Magistrates, etc cannot realistically police the (ab)use of such information.

However, the current guidance on the Wiki—and Tom's official position—is, indeed, actively chilling potentially positive roleplay within the game.

If it is desired that this be something that the players police for themselves, then why not say this? Rather than just a blunt statement that OOC information being used IC cannot be punished, why not say something like the following:

"Use of OOC information IC, or use of information from people's roleplays that you would not reasonably be able to obtain access to in-character, is strongly frowned upon, and it is expected that the players will police this and deal harshly in-character with those who show up with knowledge they could not have obtained save through dark magics."

This could go a long way toward changing the atmosphere and attitude toward such actions.  If it was considered unacceptable by the majority of players to use such information nefariously (at least openly), we might very well see a lot more interesting RP—and I think a lot of us would enjoy that.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Dante Silverfire on January 13, 2012, 08:46:27 PM
After talking with LilWolf on IRC:

It is true that Tom, the Titans, the devs, the Magistrates, etc cannot realistically police the (ab)use of such information.

However, the current guidance on the Wiki—and Tom's official position—is, indeed, actively chilling potentially positive roleplay within the game.

If it is desired that this be something that the players police for themselves, then why not say this? Rather than just a blunt statement that OOC information being used IC cannot be punished, why not say something like the following:

"Use of OOC information IC, or use of information from people's roleplays that you would not reasonably be able to obtain access to in-character, is strongly frowned upon, and it is expected that the players will police this and deal harshly in-character with those who show up with knowledge they could not have obtained save through dark magics."

This could go a long way toward changing the atmosphere and attitude toward such actions.  If it was considered unacceptable by the majority of players to use such information nefariously (at least openly), we might very well see a lot more interesting RP—and I think a lot of us would enjoy that.

This is exactly the point of my post. If the community is interested then I would say that we pursue this route of self-policing as that is the only route which could conceivably work.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Perth on January 13, 2012, 08:57:37 PM
I say this for probably the 79th time:

ROLEPLAYING IS NOT THE SAME AS WRITING NARRATIVES

Okay?

The difference really doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion, which is: the use of information the player knows by the player's character.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Barthalomeus on January 13, 2012, 09:30:58 PM
I RPed quite a lot a few years ago. It's great fun for you and everyone else reading it if your RPs are done up properly.

The best way to roleplay IC events is to RP your decision as you make the decision, or shortly after.

For example...

If you're a ruler, and you want to RP your decision to go to war, do so just before you click the "declare war" button IC.

Or if you want to place a bounty and RP why you did it. Place the bounty first, then RP your thoughts.

That simple.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Norrel on January 13, 2012, 10:30:51 PM
I don't know of anyone in Luria douchey enough to magically know what happened in that RP.

On the other hand, your doing that RP means that logically deducing who did it can't be done any more. Considering the fact that you placed an enormous bounty and were one of the richest people involved in that whole debate, anyone with half a brain could deduce that you did it. Now, if someone were to say they did so, they would look like an !@#$%^& who just ripped information from the rp, turning the whole thing into a messy catastrophe.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Dante Silverfire on January 13, 2012, 10:43:45 PM
I don't know of anyone in Luria douchey enough to magically know what happened in that RP.

On the other hand, your doing that RP means that logically deducing who did it can't be done any more. Considering the fact that you placed an enormous bounty and were one of the richest people involved in that whole debate, anyone with half a brain could deduce that you did it. Now, if someone were to say they did so, they would look like an !@#$%^& who just ripped information from the rp, turning the whole thing into a messy catastrophe.

I just don't see how what I did was wrong though. I RP'ed a narrative of my character which explained the reasons for his actions. As a player I don't mind if people figure out that he was the one who set the bounty. The only part I mind, is if people say that he set the bounty without even RP'ing reasoning behind it. My character is easily one of the top suspects for the bounty placement and logic used to relay that would be quite acceptable. However, if asked: "How do you know?" and they don't have a good response, then that is where the problem is.

The question becomes is it a mistake to RP the reasons for actions that one takes? I've done it all the time to show aspects of my character to other players which disagrees with what the actions themselves may show or what their characters may think of my character. (Acting nice while being mean, and vice versa). This isn't anything like everyone knowing that Jenred is insane on the Far East. (Everyone does know that right?) but more just showing the character's personality.

As long as a reasonable explanation is given as to how someone knows information, especially if it was sent in an RP then I am fine with them knowing. If I cared as much as a player about no one knowing I would have never written an RP about it. But, I want my roleplays to promote positive game interaction instead of non-interaction or breakdown of all roleplay.

P.S. If someone wants to give me a detailed explanation of how they feel I'm in the wrong or better understand how to fix what I'm doing to help the player base more, feel free to send me a private message on the forums or in game. (OOC). Even if just to explain some of your points more than is possible in a forum setting, I'm quite open to criticism.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: egamma on January 14, 2012, 12:17:27 AM
I just don't see how what I did was wrong though. I RP'ed a narrative of my character which explained the reasons for his actions. As a player I don't mind if people figure out that he was the one who set the bounty.

If you don't mind, then why did you force it down their throats? You have prevented the guessing game.

The only part I mind, is if people say that he set the bounty without even RP'ing reasoning behind it. My character is easily one of the top suspects for the bounty placement and logic used to relay that would be quite acceptable. However, if asked: "How do you know?" and they don't have a good response, then that is where the problem is.

And there's the problem that Slapsticks described. You are penalizing the guessers.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: De-Legro on January 14, 2012, 12:36:10 AM
Besides which RP is a choice. Other players should not be forced to RP and write narratives to suit someone else's requirements. Forcing someone to partake in a element of the game they have no interest in simply to defend themselves against accusations of OOC knowledge, or to comply with your desire to have people reply in kind is wrong and harmful to the retention of players.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Bedwyr on January 14, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
If you don't mind, then why did you force it down their throats? You have prevented the guessing game.

You're kidding, right?  He sent an RP, one I and I'm sure others enjoyed reading, in an RP game, to all of the relevant people who might be interested in it, and he's now being attacked for this?

This isn't anything like everyone knowing that Jenred is insane on the Far East. (Everyone does know that right?)

I sure hope so.  I've done my best to make it clear.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: egamma on January 14, 2012, 10:57:30 PM
You're kidding, right?  He sent an RP, one I and I'm sure others enjoyed reading, in an RP game, to all of the relevant people who might be interested in it, and he's now being attacked for this?

He's being attacked for being upset for IC information that he is sending to other players could be used against his character. After all, he placed a bounty--anyone can claim to have seen him do so.

He needs to accept the consequences of his own decision to send the RP. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Indirik on January 15, 2012, 03:42:06 AM
I just don't see how what I did was wrong though.
IMO you didn't do anything wrong at all. But you should be aware of the possibility that some people may use the information in inappropriate ways. Having posted it the information, anyone can make up an RP that gives them the information IC. It could be as simple as sending a trusted lackey to go bribe some criminal for the information.

I play by the simple rule: If you don't want people to know, then don't tell them. By telling them, you are inviting them to know, one way or the other.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: De-Legro on January 15, 2012, 03:58:53 AM
IMO you didn't do anything wrong at all. But you should be aware of the possibility that some people may use the information in inappropriate ways. Having posted it the information, anyone can make up an RP that gives them the information IC. It could be as simple as sending a trusted lackey to go bribe some criminal for the information.

I play by the simple rule: If you don't want people to know, then don't tell them. By telling them, you are inviting them to know, one way or the other.

Exactly. Its not about doing something wrong or right with regards to RP. Its about knowing how others may use that RP and exactly what rules etc apply.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Bedwyr on January 15, 2012, 07:11:55 AM
He's being attacked for being upset for IC information that he is sending to other players could be used against his character. After all, he placed a bounty--anyone can claim to have seen him do so.

He needs to accept the consequences of his own decision to send the RP. Nothing more, nothing less.

No.  He's upset because people told him, OOC, not to make his RP's public.  He's confused by people who would then use that RP without bothering to come up with an RP of their own to justify how they found it out, and doesn't think that is good for the game.  I concur with him on both points.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Dante Silverfire on January 15, 2012, 08:15:33 AM
No.  He's upset because people told him, OOC, not to make his RP's public.  He's confused by people who would then use that RP without bothering to come up with an RP of their own to justify how they found it out, and doesn't think that is good for the game.  I concur with him on both points.

Thank you for this statement, as it says exactly my feelings in a clear and concise manner.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Ramiel on January 15, 2012, 10:53:17 AM
Thank you for this statement, as it says exactly my feelings in a clear and concise manner.

I think the statement makes most people's, who have done extensive roleplays or otherwise are used to roleplaying where such actions just would not take place, feelings on the matter are.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Bedwyr on January 15, 2012, 07:06:51 PM
Thank you for this statement, as it says exactly my feelings in a clear and concise manner.

Happy to help, and I'm glad that I was right.  On occasion I do one of those summaries and find out I was completely wrong, which always makes me feel stupid...
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: De-Legro on January 15, 2012, 09:49:49 PM
No.  He's upset because people told him, OOC, not to make his RP's public.  He's confused by people who would then use that RP without bothering to come up with an RP of their own to justify how they found it out, and doesn't think that is good for the game.  I concur with him on both points.

The majority of us agree with the statement, we just realise what the reality is going to be. Dwilight struggles to even maintain the sensible naming convention at times, there is no reason to expect that the community will be more successful in controlling OOC information.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Sacha on January 15, 2012, 10:55:57 PM
BM is a game, and as with every other game in history, most people will play fair, but some will try anything, including cheating, to win. There's no way around that, so it's up to us to make it difficult for them. One of those things is keeping secret information secret.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: egamma on January 16, 2012, 01:53:15 PM
I think I may post an RP about my guards reporting to me about Jenred coming out of a certain house in Remton on the arm of a young woman.

Of course, what I won't put in the RP is the fact that I instructed my guards to tell this lie to me while I was in the presence of several members of my household staff, leaving an opportunity for someone else to pick up the rumor...

*dun dun dun*
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Bedwyr on January 17, 2012, 06:38:57 AM
I think I may post an RP about my guards reporting to me about Jenred coming out of a certain house in Remton on the arm of a young woman.

Of course, what I won't put in the RP is the fact that I instructed my guards to tell this lie to me while I was in the presence of several members of my household staff, leaving an opportunity for someone else to pick up the rumor...

*dun dun dun*

And the secret is...The young woman is his niece!  Though, given my knowledge of crazy historical rulers, that may be just as bad...
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: egamma on January 17, 2012, 01:24:38 PM
yeah, I was going to use a temple, but your family page does not mention your faith.
Title: Re: To RP or not to RP...
Post by: Dante Silverfire on January 17, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
I think I may post an RP about my guards reporting to me about Jenred coming out of a certain house in Remton on the arm of a young woman.

Of course, what I won't put in the RP is the fact that I instructed my guards to tell this lie to me while I was in the presence of several members of my household staff, leaving an opportunity for someone else to pick up the rumor...

*dun dun dun*

This is such a good idea! I've been needing a way to ruin a marriage... ;)
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Post by: Ramiel on January 18, 2012, 02:45:49 AM
This is such a good idea! I've been needing a way to ruin a marriage... ;)

If Jenred's last name is Bedwyre, I certainly could have used such information for my own gains :D

If not... gossip is gossip.
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Post by: Dante Silverfire on January 18, 2012, 02:59:21 AM
If Jenred's last name is Bedwyre, I certainly could have used such information for my own gains :D

If not... gossip is gossip.

Yes it is. That was the point of the statement.
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Post by: Bedwyr on January 19, 2012, 07:15:43 AM
yeah, I was going to use a temple, but your family page does not mention your faith.

Jenred is a devout believer in the Aenil, and specifically follows Amriel.  He's a Paladin, in point of fact.  Think he's the only living Paladin in the MAE...
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Post by: De-Legro on January 19, 2012, 11:30:35 AM
Jenred is a devout believer in the Aenil, and specifically follows Amriel.  He's a Paladin, in point of fact.  Think he's the only living Paladin in the MAE...

The only living OFFICIAL Paladin. Carlos thinks he is a Paladin, but then Carlos has many many problems with reality.