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BattleMaster => BM General Discussion => Topic started by: Stormbringer on November 03, 2011, 04:43:38 PM
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It doesn't look like too many people are playing the War Islands game. I'm sort of wishing the Southeast Islands, or whatever they were called, would come back... is that possible? Is there interest?
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The original war islands (SEI/SWI) will not be coming back.
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And don't forget, BM:WI is currently testing a new map and Tom wants your input (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,1501.0.html).
(http://war-islands.org/images/maps/ClashFour.mini.png)
Personally, I'd quite like a go on the new map. I just don't want to get beasted by the folk who've been playing BM:WI regularly these last months. I fell off the wagon after 9 games, alas :-\
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I haven't played in a long time, but the new map definitely got me to sign up for a couple games again!
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Personally, I'd quite like a go on the new map. I just don't want to get beasted by the folk who've been playing BM:WI regularly these last months. I fell off the wagon after 9 games, alas :-\
The new map is new for them as well, and its mechanics are a little different, it will require new strategies. For example, the start of the game is a bit slower as you start out with only the capital city.
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For example, the start of the game is a bit slower as you start out with only the capital city.
I really like that part.
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I used to play a while back and wouldn't mind setting up a game with some ppl to try out the new map and stuff. Don't want an extremely competitive game but a good match would be good.
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I have played a little with the new maps and I am not such a big fan of the 3 player one but really, really like the 4 player one. It has gotten me back into the game again. I did see that the one realm is being moved to north of the river and I also think that will be a very helpful change to the map.
I also answered on the Facebook page, but I think it would be cool to have a 5+ person map too.
I have been playing this game for years and I have read over and over that the SEI/SWI will never return, but my question is why? I don't think I remember exactly why they will not be returning. They were so much fun when you only had to worry about fighting and never food or real diplomacy. Was it a coding issue or something else?
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I have been playing this game for years and I have read over and over that the SEI/SWI will never return, but my question is why? I don't think I remember exactly why they will not be returning. They were so much fun when you only had to worry about fighting and never food or real diplomacy. Was it a coding issue or something else?
Those islands were no longer in the spirit of the game that was trying to be fostered in Battlemaster. In other words, the type of game that was intended to be made has moved away from that type of game play and it is not intended to go back to that. (Tom or Devs feel free to correct if this isn't correct)
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I have been playing this game for years and I have read over and over that the SEI/SWI will never return, but my question is why? I don't think I remember exactly why they will not be returning. They were so much fun when you only had to worry about fighting and never food or real diplomacy. Was it a coding issue or something else?
That's exactly why they were removed. I want you to worry about food and diplomacy. Battles are won by strategy, but wars aren't. Wars are won by logistics and attrition.
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Still, at least they provided entertainment for those who had their other characters stuck in deadend peace situations.
Last thing we need is a new continent opening up now, though.
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Still, at least they provided entertainment for those who had their other characters stuck in deadend peace situations.
Last thing we need is a new continent opening up now, though.
ATamara: The new war islands! Albeit, that its in a near stalemate of fighting but still a war island!
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ATamara: The new war islands! Albeit, that its in a near stalemate of fighting but still a war island!
Today, perhaps.
It has a long history of boring wars, though, from what I hear.
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Still, at least they provided entertainment for those who had their other characters stuck in deadend peace situations.
Uh, how about the obvious? Killing that stupid peace?
I do agree we need to make war more profitable than peace. We're working on that. We are working on too many things, though.
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Still, at least they provided entertainment for those who had their other characters stuck in deadend peace situations.
Last thing we need is a new continent opening up now, though.
Or you could just play a game like this
http://afterwind.com/home/
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Uh, how about the obvious? Killing that stupid peace?
I do agree we need to make war more profitable than peace. We're working on that. We are working on too many things, though.
Personally, I just avoided these places.
But sometimes, when your realm has been in enough wars, especially if these have gone rather bad for it or it's allies, you really need a period of peace to secure your survival. If this cycle coincided for all of your realms you play in, then it's quite a downer.
Though I could totally understand the fear of being the initiator of a war on those continents that had these problems. On BT, Rio had this big "evil imperialist" thing going about on Enweil, and many people actually bought into that, despite the fact that Rio's been the one declaring war on Enweil for the last many years. I can only imagine how likely an initiator of a war in a peaceful continent would be to be labelled as an "imperialist" or something of the sort, and have everyone gang up on these "disturbers of the peace". Of course, it's self-sabotage when it comes to fun, but status quo means survival, and war means risks and danger.
But as I said, I personally wouldn't stick to these realms unless there's something else significant keeping things fun there. It's mostly for the cyclical peace that I liked SEI. That, and it was a very dynamic place for RP. The fun wasn't just because of the battles.
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On BT, Rio had this big "evil imperialist" thing going about on Enweil, and many people actually bought into that, despite the fact that Rio's been the one declaring war on Enweil for the last many years. I can only imagine how likely an initiator of a war in a peaceful continent would be to be labelled as an "imperialist" or something of the sort, and have everyone gang up on these "disturbers of the peace".
Riombara just had a longer memory than some. Like remembering when, between the second and third invasions, Enweil was the one guaranteeing that whoever declared war first would get the biggest realm on the continent and all its allies instantly declaring war on it. (Unless you were one of its close allies, of course.) That resulted in a long, very tense, peace, when several realms would have much rather been fighting wars. They just didn't want to have a near-100% guarantee of swift destruction for starting said wars.
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If a person says they want the war islands back, you tell them to go play risk? ROFL
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Riombara just had a longer memory than some. Like remembering when, between the second and third invasions, Enweil was the one guaranteeing that whoever declared war first would get the biggest realm on the continent and all its allies instantly declaring war on it. (Unless you were one of its close allies, of course.) That resulted in a long, very tense, peace, when several realms would have much rather been fighting wars. They just didn't want to have a near-100% guarantee of swift destruction for starting said wars.
People change.
Enweil was imperialistic in the very early days, but that was long long long ago. Many other realms have, since, shown much greater imperialism.
And indeed, I ain't saying Enweil was an angel back then. I wasn't even playing, this was at least over 5 years ago I think.
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People change.
Enweil was imperialistic in the very early days, but that was long long long ago. Many other realms have, since, shown much greater imperialism.
And indeed, I ain't saying Enweil was an angel back then. I wasn't even playing, this was at least over 5 years ago I think.
People change, peoples opinion about those that have changed generally takes much longer to catch up.
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If a person says they want the war islands back, you tell them to go play risk? ROFL
No I'm saying if you are bored, find something to do. If you are incapable of relieving the boredom in BM, there are hundreds of other options.
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People change, peoples opinion about those that have changed generally takes much longer to catch up.
Yep, that's more or less what I'm saying ;D
Basically, Enweil had never given Delvin any convincing reason to think they had changed their attitude.
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People change, peoples opinion about those that have changed generally takes much longer to catch up.
Indeed, Enweil forcing tyrannies to become democracies or republics and sitting with an army right outside my city (Ossmat, Old Grehk, last non-republican/democratic realm on the continent at that moment) for a week in between the first and the second invasion is still fueling my family's hatred for Enweil today. :)
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Indeed, Enweil forcing tyrannies to become democracies or republics and sitting with an army right outside my city (Ossmat, Old Grehk, last non-republican/democratic realm on the continent at that moment) for a week in between the first and the second invasion is still fueling my family's hatred for Enweil today. :)
Yeah but you should all just forget that, cause Enweil want to do something different now, how dare you remember things and hold grudges.
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To be honest, PeL has not had a war since the First Lurian Civil War, and quite frankly I yearn for a period of Peace.
Peace I hear you ask? Well yes, every single week we will have battled at least 3 different hordes...
I want a period of peace where I can actually do some properly roleplay, maybe host a dinner in a proper house, with proper tables chairs etc etc and not be in a tent 24/7.
I dont know about the rest of the army, but from the looks of it, I would say some of them are also annoyed at the fact the only thing we do is march to battle, battle, march to refit, refit, march to battle etc etc etc it gets monotonous very quickly.
With luck, i'll get that period of peace after the next Dwilight Year... if SA doesnt march on the south, or another civil war, or D'hara finally give us an excuse (the only war we collectively do want... get rid of the D'haran mismanagers!) :D
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With luck, i'll get that period of peace after the next Dwilight Year... if SA doesnt march on the south, or another civil war, or D'hara finally give us an excuse (the only war we collectively do want... get rid of the D'haran mismanagers!) :D
Why the hating?
Give us cheap food, and we'll help you with your rogues.
Mismanagement means improper management of available resources. It's not mismanagement if there's just no food available to manage. Unless you mean to send little bits to cities to artificially control growth and consumption, which I personally consider abusive and will not lower myself to doing.
We have traders going everywhere, buying up food where available. The problem lied with the fact that food production, continent-wide, grew about as fast as food consumption, monsters eating most of the surpluses. However, the new estate system changed this a bit, so I think next (IG) year should be the start of a golden age for D'Hara with Barca's growth and D'Hara's reclaiming of the Lighthouse. As Barca doesn't have any large cities, they should by far compensate for the loss of Caerwyn and lowered trade from the South and allow the Maroccidens to become self-sufficient in terms of food.
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Why the hating?
Give us cheap food, and we'll help you with your rogues.
Mismanagement means improper management of available resources. It's not mismanagement if there's just no food available to manage. Unless you mean to send little bits to cities to artificially control growth and consumption, which I personally consider abusive and will not lower myself to doing.
We have traders going everywhere, buying up food where available. The problem lied with the fact that food production, continent-wide, grew about as fast as food consumption, monsters eating most of the surpluses. However, the new estate system changed this a bit, so I think next (IG) year should be the start of a golden age for D'Hara with Barca's growth and D'Hara's reclaiming of the Lighthouse. As Barca doesn't have any large cities, they should by far compensate for the loss of Caerwyn and lowered trade from the South and allow the Maroccidens to become self-sufficient in terms of food.
Because it gives good IG reasons for war. After all if you were truly nobles worthy of holding the land, then small things like no food would not be an issue :) It must be a sign from the gods that we mostly distrust that new oversight is needed.
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or another civil war,
Are we in the same PeL?
There are always civil wars to be had...There is almost always either a rebellion taking place, being planned, or being thwarted. That's why we're able to have fun simply fighting monsters because internal fighting is so much fun.
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Are we in the same PeL?
There are always civil wars to be had...There is almost always either a rebellion taking place, being planned, or being thwarted. That's why we're able to have fun simply fighting monsters because internal fighting is so much fun.
PeL has very little open rebellion activity these days, now LN they have all the fun.
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PeL has very little open rebellion activity these days, now LN they have all the fun.
So young...so naive... ;)
But LN definitely is where most of the rebels seem tow ant to play right now.
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Young and Naive? I'm the old man judge you silly hamster.
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Young and Naive? I'm the old man judge you silly hamster.
Okay maybe not young, but to my character everyone in PeL is young. But of course the judge won't know of bad stuff going on...Unless they are the judge (which has happened)
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Okay maybe not young, but to my character everyone in PeL is young. But of course the judge won't know of bad stuff going on...Unless they are the judge (which has happened)
It would be interesting, considering that the King currently leads the religion and has the full support of some of the most senior priest. Interesting indeed.
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Because it gives good IG reasons for war. After all if you were truly nobles worthy of holding the land, then small things like no food would not be an issue :) It must be a sign from the gods that we mostly distrust that new oversight is needed.
The Gods? Welcome to Aetheris Pyrism, brother! ;D
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The Gods? Welcome to Aetheris Pyrism, brother! ;D
The only reason he would go to AP is to destroy it :P
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The only reason he would go to AP is to destroy it :P
No no you have it all wrong, I want AP to become the 3rd sect, or is it the 4th sect.
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No no you have it all wrong, I want AP to become the 3rd sect, or is it the 4th sect.
:O Shock! Horror! Sectual War!
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No no you have it all wrong, I want AP to become the 3rd sect, or is it the 4th sect.
Pfft, do you think a good God-worshiping nobleman would humiliate himself to the point of accepting being a "sect" of a misotheistic religion? Oh wait... ::)
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Pfft, do you think a good God-worshiping nobleman would humiliate himself to the point of accepting being a "sect" of a misotheistic religion? Oh wait... ::)
Yup, and thats why we all hate Fulco.