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BattleMaster => BM General Discussion => Topic started by: Licinius on June 28, 2016, 06:42:59 PM
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Hello everyone, I am Licinius, a relatively new family in the game. Hmmm, not too sure if this is the right place for this topic.
Many thanks to Anaris for his help with my hiccups while setting up this forum account.
First: Freedom in choices, I love the way you could do anything. You could rebel, duel, loot any regions and perhaps even worship and ally with some Daimons. (Cough*Spearhold)
Second: The community is extremely nice, everyone helps one another (OOC) with their troubles. No one acts immature, well probably due to the age of most players.
Third: I noticed many players disliking militias, especially cities with huge amounts of militia along with their army which made it impossible to sack the city. I remember reading a saying "One man up on the wall equals to Ten men" well one tactic is to burn all food producing regions and starve the realm, this tactic may also force the enemy's army to get off the walls and defend their lands. I'm not certain but militias will die due to starvation as well right?
Fouth: There are three families I will always remember distinctly. Hemming, Mayhem and Lorganson.
Hemming and Mayhem for making this game even more fun and I love their witty replies! Lorganson for welcoming me into the game and showing me the ropes, I had always thought of Dunbor Lorganson as a sightly obese old man with almost no skill in swordfighting thus he is usually the one getting wounded all the time but he is blessed with a strategic mind.
One day, I'll try to make a character like petyr baelish or perhaps varys. Can't wait to tear up order and bring in chaos.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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It's amazing how you picture Dunbor Lorganson almost exactly as the player who plays him! ;D
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Good that you are enjoying the game. I hope you will enjoy the game as I have :) Not as active as I used to be but this is a great game.
Too bad we are having some issues with activation emails though. Hope that gets sorted out soon so we get some new players faster!
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Hello there Wimpie! Gasp* I never knew you are a dev, I like your character in Thalmarkin(Osgar Dacara). A quiet and cautious character, nevertheless he saved the army from being destroyed countless of times.
Zakky, hmmmm were you the one playing a cannibal in South island? I was terrified and amused reading through your roleplays. I remembered reading about your character's rise and downfall during my time in South Island. Cheers!
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Hello there Wimpie! Gasp* I never knew you are a dev, I like your character in Thalmarkin(Osgar Dacara). A quiet and cautious character, nevertheless he saved the army from being destroyed countless of times.
Zakky, hmmmm were you the one playing a cannibal in South island? I was terrified and amused reading through your roleplays. I remembered reading about your character's rise and downfall during my time in South Island. Cheers!
Hic Sunt Leones,
Remind me who you play again, Licinius? :)
I'm just a help-out dev for the normal simple bugs. Heavy stuff is still done bye Vita and Delvin ;D
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Hello there Wimpie! Gasp* I never knew you are a dev, I like your character in Thalmarkin(Osgar Dacara). A quiet and cautious character, nevertheless he saved the army from being destroyed countless of times.
Zakky, hmmmm were you the one playing a cannibal in South island? I was terrified and amused reading through your roleplays. I remembered reading about your character's rise and downfall during my time in South Island. Cheers!
Hic Sunt Leones,
Thats me ;) Kind of playing as a low energy player these days. Maybe when I feel inspired again, I will be more active again.
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Wimpie, I play Madding Licinius in Thalmarkin, I thought you would recognize the Licinius
family name :P
Zakky, I will certainly look forward to your (hopefully) coming* inspiration.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Wimpie, I play Madding Licinius in Thalmarkin, I thought you would recognize the Licinius
family name :P
Zakky, I will certainly look forward to your (hopefully) coming* inspiration.
Meh, I'm not good with family names 8)
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I enjoy the name Madding Licinius, idk why
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Stalks with his hunting knife, while licking his lips think fresh meat ::)
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JDodger, ah the man with the Dodger family name! I am starting to look out for your family name a lot more now, there is always some fun plot or trouble when you are around. ;D
Blue Star, perhaps I'll carve you instead, may we meet on the battlefield. ;)
Hic Sunt Leones,
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I dont do plots just armies 8)
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I dont do plots just armies 8)
I don't do armies, just militia 8)
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I do plot and armies 8)
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I guess I do plot...
Because I write roleplays , see what I did there? 8)
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Victor c, would you mind showing me examples of your roleplay? I am trying to improve my roleplay writing skills.
I am currently trying to start a rebellion by writing a roleplay on my unique item, "Radiating Helm of the Kings" something along the lines of going insane as the helm takes over my mind and starting a rebellion.
Any advice on starting a rebellion?
I'm currently recruiting fellow rebels, sadly the active/reliable nobles seem pretty loyal. Sigh* well hopefully I'll either rise in glory or die in a blaze.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Rebellions are as difficult as starting a religion. Unless the realm government is completely dead/silent and you have a good group of engaged players backing you to take control of the government and actually do something for a change. Or unless the ruler just did something highly unpopular amongst nobility (banning someone well-loved, for capricious reasons etc.) and you can properly capitalize (usually helped by longevity in realm). Or the ruler just won his own rebellion and you're attempting the loyalist counter-rebellion. Having the General or Capital Lord on your side is always a huge help; you can almost predict a rebellion's success by whether the general or capital lord is supporting the rebellion or not.
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I don't think I'm that good at writing roleplays, but sure.
For me, I just write what comes to mind (I hardly spend a moment to think of what I've written, sometimes I'll reread and correct errors etc. But no true brainstorm. It's just a short story
Roleplay from Draken Druezar (2 days ago)
message to all nobles of Spearhold
Draken stared at Reeds at the horizon under the cover of his black shrouded cloak, the walls towered over the trees. It would be a pleasant site to watch those walls fall! The echoes of the voices filled him with hatred! The lies were flowing deep in these lands, he could feel them at their roots. Disgusted, he turned way from the walls.
His camp of men were near invisible, they walked through towns with no opposition what so ever. These elites were no simple war party, for they had been trained for this very situation.
The darkness was their home. It sheltered them from the lies of the world. It fed them with the blood of evil and kept them warm with the bodies gifted by justice. It was a job not many could do, but then again... not everyone could be a hero.
Those walls will fall.
Roleplay from Draken Druezar (18 days, 13 hours ago)
Message sent to everyone in the region Tahgalez (13 recipients)
Draken peered over the walls at the corpses that still stained the dirt. The bodies appeared to be writhing in pain as they stiffened from the lack of life, their sweat and tears only made the stench worse as they began to shroud the city in a wild musk.
With contempt, Draken walked back into the town. He preached the way of the truth to any who was near and and gripped his lasher in case of nonconformists.
It was an interesting city... His great great great uncle had told him many stories of this land. How chaotic it was and how dead the nobles seemed. A chuckle escaping his lips as he reminisced on how NOW the nobles WERE dead.
Roleplay from Nezar Druezar (3 days, 6 hours ago)
message to all nobles of Swordfell
Nezar stared at his letters as the men rallied for the second attack.
They'd absorbed quite a bit of damage and many lay wounded or dying. However, the will of Swordfell would bring them to rise to the occasion once again, it was assured.
As Nezar came upon the notice for the upcoming elections, he pondered whether he should run for a position. It was a hard political task that required a great deal of knowledge, had he this divine knowledge? Even if he'd come across such knowledge, had he the support of his fellow countrymen?
With a sigh, Nezar discarded the notice and continued to sift notes, the time was not right for Nezar... Perhaps another day he'd find a way to bring change to this continent and bring it upon a world of excitement like in the stories of his elders.
Roleplay from Nezar Druezar (28 days ago)
(Personal message to Kaylee)
The stench was REPULSIVE, it almost made Nezar want to puke. With pure willpower, he fought the tears and said most likely the bravest thing he's ever said before, "It is fine. I'll search it."
As the words left his lips, regret quickly followed. As he stepped forward into the room, his boots met a pool of vomit immediately. He'd stepped in blood, he'd stepped in mud, but he'd never stepped in vomit before... it's something he'd never wish to repeat ever again surely.
He hovered over one of the passed out noble, his face was hidden in the dark, but the stench of ale was strong with this one. Nezar slowly raised the sheets to discover that the man had no purse. Unfortunate...
With a quick step, Nezar came upon the next one who slept. As Nezar raised the covers, a sudden flash of gold began to shine bright, so bright that it awake both men.
They stared at Nezar confused for a moment, not realizing what they were seeing, they rub their eyes in disbelief. Suddenly they pounced from their covers, they hacked at Nezar but their swings were slow due to their drowsiness. He kicked one away and threw the other out of the room, hoping that Kaylee may deal with him instead. Nezar looked at the sheet with gold and found that this was indeed his, for he made a small mark on each of his coins to ensure it's legitimacy. As the he turned to meet the one he'd kicked away, he found a man sprawled across the floor attempting to regain his senses. He raised his hands hoping to block whatever may come down upon him, he begged for forgiveness and made empty promises. "You have wronged me! And for this, you will pay a consequence... it is not of equal value, but it will have to suffice!" Said the Nezar as he raise his sword. The man's eyes filled with fear as he knew his fate. Nezar came down with a force far too superior for the noble's hands to withstand. He plunged the sword into the noble's chest and watched as the life vanished from his eyes.
The deed was done, he turned to face the door thinking how Kaylee had served him well, seeing as how a sword was not protruding from his chest.... perhaps she deserved more gold, let us say perhaps... 100 coins. It was nothing compared to what Nezar held in the bank, but it was a fair share.
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Yah rebellions are really hard... requires extreme planning and carful execution. When I rebel, normally I have to turn everyone against the ruler by exploiting every small thing he does... even then I can't guarantee support ;P
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Vita & Victor c,
Thank you both for your input, I'll be sure to use this information. Sadly the realm's government is fairly active but made up of oldies, of which I would like to change and put the young nobles in power. Hopefully I can spur on ambition and lust for power from young nobles.
"Before we can usher in the new, the old must be put to rest" This line is amazing! I can't wait to use it.
I am one of the two candidates to the election of the new General, hopefully I will be elected. I wrote a really long letter on why I should be General, it will be a pity to lose after putting in so much work. I'll disband all militia(do I have to pay them before I can disband them?) in the capital before storming it with my fellow rebels. Of course I'll sending the loyal army away on a mission first :P
Victor c, I will post my roleplays here for you to see when I start my rebellion :D hopefully they will be as good as yours.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Vita & Victor c,
Thank you both for your input, I'll be sure to use this information. Sadly the realm's government is fairly active but made up of oldies, of which I would like to change and put the young nobles in power. Hopefully I can spur on ambition and lust for power from young nobles.
"Before we can usher in the new, the old must be put to rest" This line is amazing! I can't wait to use it.
I am one of the two candidates to the election of the new General, hopefully I will be elected. I wrote a really long letter on why I should be General, it will be a pity to lose after putting in so much work. I'll disband all militia(do I have to pay them before I can disband them?) in the capital before storming it with my fellow rebels. Of course I'll sending the loyal army away on a mission first :P
Victor c, I will post my roleplays here for you to see when I start my rebellion :D hopefully they will be as good as yours.
Hic Sunt Leones,
There is a disband cost for militia, yes.
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Thanks Wimpie!
Hmm, I guess I'll have to get some gold on the pretext of refitting the entire army. The king has 40k gold currently, hmmm I just need 20k perhaps 10k...
Well it all depends on the election!
Hic Sunt Leones,
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good luck, dont get too hung up on the outcome. rebellions rarely succeed. if you actually like the realm you're in and see potential in it, and there are just some flaws youd like to correct, i personally recommend to stay patient and just work to be as useful as possible to the people in charge, give em a few compliments and congratulations when something goes good, and perform any task youre given 110%. make your character fun and memorable (but not ridiculous) and make things fun for other players. keep it up and you will grow in power and influence naturally, and when opportunities to change things come you will be able to do so.
rebellion should only be embarked upon if either you have all the aces in all the holes as mentioned above, or if the situation in the realm is so bad that you don't care if you're forced to leave and never come back and become a pariah there. like i told a friend recently, i never won a rebellion but i never regretted rebelling.
this above all, to thine own self be true...
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Any advice on starting a rebellion?
Always remember that "oldies" are more savvy and powerful than you. Win some oldies to your side.
Oh, and don't spill the beans all over the place. Jesus Christ, mate.
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Sigh* major disappointment, the first person I tried to recruit, tipped off the king about my rebellious thoughts. Sniff* it was my trusted Vice Marshal...
Well at least, the General hasn't taken any action against me yet other than warning the realm about rebels lurking in the realm.
Constantine,
Sadly, those "oldies" are the reason why I'm rebelling in the first place. "To usher in the new(young nobles), the old(those oldies) must be put to rest." I'm planning on taking power away from those oldies and giving it to promising young nobles. I believe it helps to revive the realm a little. The realm is extremely stagnant and inactive.
Things just got interesting! Hmmm, perhaps I'll bring in an "oldie" to help me out before backstabbing him/her once I have assumed power. Evil laugh*
Jdodge,
Thanks man! "Rebellions rarely succeed" I really thought rebellions were like a 50% chance of losing or winning. "Mayhem" led a successful rebellion and became the ruler recently, I got inspired by him. Well I am the Marshal and led the army to victories, only to be beaten down by lack of funds and hordes of monsters. perhaps I should be more vocal :/
I can always follow Mayhem if I got banned, he is planning to create a new realm.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Always remember that "oldies" are more savvy and powerful than you. Win some oldies to your side.
Oh, and don't spill the beans all over the place. Jesus Christ, mate.
Powerful, yes. Savvy? no, just more entrenched.
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So.. you want to usher young nobles exactly where? The entire military hierarchy comprises of new folks (including you), the judge is electable, so young nobles have a shot, and none of you people want to be a banker anyway. This leaves us with a terrible conspiracy of oldies embodied by his Majesty. Don't insult my intellect by claiming you're doing this "for the people". :P
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I want to usher young nobles to Democracy... All positions are electable, I went into military because I wanted to inject new life into the realm by conducting campaigns. Well maybe no one else but me wants to be banker. (sadly, the position is appointed...)
Imagine this:
1)Competition for positions will be high thus more player activity.
2)Everyone gets to have a choice in who will hold Ruler, General, Banker and Judge position monthly.
3)New players will get the chance to hold one of the positions rather than once in a blue moon.
4)Oldies will have a hard time keeping hold of their power as the young nobles will gain power and influence, perhaps those young nobles might change the whole political situation in the realm.(You know like a restart button on power and influence)
It might not happen but wouldn't it be fun if the realm changes hands monthly, some might be more aggressive or conservative. The realm will be unpredictable;D
Constantine,
Uhh, not sure if I offended you or something, I didn't mean to insult your intellect*?
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Sorry to disappoint, but power dynamics in an established realm do not rely on governmental system too much. We'll just keep electing some oldie as our president. Not because the whole realm is conspiring, but because we'd prefer a proven and mature leader at the helm. You should ponder a while why you had literally no support in your undertaking.
And no, you didn't offend me. Just a figure of speech.
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Aww that's a pity. Well at least I didn't have no support, there are two other rebels...
Oh a figure of speech. Anyways I got some experience from this, it sure was fun planning out stuff!
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Thanks man! "Rebellions rarely succeed" I really thought rebellions were like a 50% chance of losing or winning. "Mayhem" led a successful rebellion and became the ruler recently, I got inspired by him.
Morek was a small enough number of nobles for protests and rebellions to be much more effective, without strong leadership. Mayhem also put in effort gaining loyalty of his fellow rebels.
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Aww that's a pity. Well at least I didn't have no support, there are two other rebels...
Oh a figure of speech. Anyways I got some experience from this, it sure was fun planning out stuff!
Hic Sunt Leones,
During a planning of rebellion, I typically do not seek out people by tapping someone in the shoulder and asking them to join. You have to be a bit more clever than that, you have people that want to benefit by looking good for spoiling a rebellion and you have Constantine who believes because you are old, you are obviously savvy and more worthy! (His ideal is not shared by me, but by others no doubt)
Don't let the harsh words bring you down, experience is a good thing. I couldn't have stabbed a ruler if I didn't know that 100 soldiers is a death trap for infiltrators. This is just another story for your character or something to think back upon.
"Do not insult my intelligence" isn't a saying... it is a defensive phrase. Hence the command "Do not insult!" Is in the phrase, accompanied by "my" stating "Do not insult me!" With a direct object of "intelligence" leading to "Do not insult my intelligence."
You did not insult his intelligence and I don't know why he thinks you were lying to him (this is an OOC discussion, there is no reason to lie), but meh.
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wasn't katrina protested out of office, not rebelled against?
licinius, what you need to remember is that no matter how good your ideas are from your perspective, there will always be another perspective that disagrees. you can't force your perspective on others especially if the majority is against it. you can certainly argue your perspective or try to gain support thru various means, but it is unfair to the other players in a realm to simply hijack the realm for your own purposes - no matter how good you see your purposes as being.
this is something that mayhem doesn't get, his MO is hijacking realms and look how far that usually takes him. and Im saying this as someone who likes both your ideas and what i understand of most of his ideas.
as constantine mentioned, there is something to be said for mature and stable leadership. most players have at some point seen "new" leadership come in with promises of new and fun things for the players of a realm, only to botch it up because they actually dont know what they are doing or the proper steps to get to their goals. heck there are players who have played the game for years, had multiple council positions and still dont get basic mechanics of what theyre doing. the game has become small enough now that most players arent willing to risk their limited fun time on unproven leaders.
on the flip side of that, the potential for stagnation does become increased, and we have indeed seen many realms over the years where entrenched leadership did not make proper efforts to make their realms fun for the players in them.
as i mentioned before rebellions are very difficult, you need absolutely overwhelming support for them to succeed and stick. if you did not get that support and still don't like where the realm is headed, you should look for another realm. its not worth banging your head against the wall if the other players dont want the changes you want.
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wasn't katrina protested out of office, not rebelled against?
Possibly both? It is possible for someone to take the throne in a high-protest situation to win a rebellion. That is, if you launch a rebellion against a ruler and the ruler loses office, you win the rebellion. So if you know/have-high-confidence that the ruler will be protested out and can launch a rebellion before that happens, you win easily without the need for prolonged conflict. Of course, you cannot launch a rebellion against an empty throne. And of course you have to be somewhat-ready, having enough people in the Underground, being within realm borders to launch a rebellion, probably some other items I forget...
I endorse everything else Jdodger wrote about considering the other players in the realm and their engagement (there have been rebellions that pissed people off OOCly when it came out of left-field with no warning, on the flip side, too much warning and you shoot yourself in the foot; its a tough line), though with perhaps a bit more emphasis on there being Stagnant Ruling Cliques that *do* need rebelled against in an effort to liven up the realm.
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Possibly both? It is possible for someone to take the throne in a high-protest situation to win a rebellion. That is, if you launch a rebellion against a ruler and the ruler loses office, you win the rebellion. So if you know/have-high-confidence that the ruler will be protested out and can launch a rebellion before that happens, you win easily without the need for prolonged conflict. Of course, you cannot launch a rebellion against an empty throne. And of course you have to be somewhat-ready, having enough people in the Underground, being within realm borders to launch a rebellion, probably some other items I forget...
I endorse everything else Jdodger wrote about considering the other players in the realm and their engagement (there have been rebellions that pissed people off OOCly when it came out of left-field with no warning, on the flip side, too much warning and you shoot yourself in the foot; its a tough line), though with perhaps a bit more emphasis on there being Stagnant Ruling Cliques that *do* need rebelled against in an effort to liven up the realm.
It was both, the rebellion happened, and then the Ruler was protested out.
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which is game mechanic wise a far easier way to win a rebellion.
thanks vita, you gold mine of information you. too bad my rebelling days appear to be behind me.
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Speaking from my experiences of being in countless Rebellions.
- Always get General on your side. Why you may ask? Because he can disband the militia in capital city, and allowing your small rebel force to succeed. And with the small base of players nowadays, this is a critical part.
- As some players have attested, you need 3-5 players (I can't remember what is the exact number) underground before you declare rebellion.
- In order to gather supporters of your rebellion, always on look out for those nobles and troop leaders who are at odds with the current Ruler and existing leaderships. Take notes on what are their motivations, what you can promise to them, for example titles(Who don't like titles, raise up your hands). What are your objectives and can you align them with your fellow would-be rebels?
Finally some corrections about Morek Empire rebellion. Katrina was protested out of office by that Terran group. Afterwards the same group declared rebellion against the new Ruler after Katrina. I feel they are being hasty when Mayhem declared Rebellion as most of their group are outside capital, what use Mayhem was General when he did not disband militia. We were beaten by militia at capital as a result of that. Luckily one of them had sense to request my character to join in the rebellion, for she knew she won't succeed without loyal Morek nobles.
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- Always get General on your side. Why you may ask? Because he can disband the militia in capital city, and allowing your small rebel force to succeed. And with the small base of players nowadays, this is a critical part.
The lord of the capital can also disband militia. But the nice thing about General, is they can command all the potential loyalists far away from the capital while the rebels are 'refitting' in the capital.
- As some players have attested, you need 3-5 players (I can't remember what is the exact number) underground before you declare rebellion.
Its proportional upon the noble of nobility in the realm. 3-5 players is for the smallest of realms. Realms with enough nobles in them require much more, like say ten.
- In order to gather supporters of your rebellion, always on look out for those nobles and troop leaders who are at odds with the current Ruler and existing leaderships. Take notes on what are their motivations, what you can promise to them, for example titles(Who don't like titles, raise up your hands). What are your objectives and can you align them with your fellow would-be rebels?
While knowing the mechanics is important (and not knowing them can screw you), this soft-sciences people element is absolutely crucial because BattleMaster is a social game.
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Thank you all for your gold mines of information! I'll be sure to keep them in mind. I just learnt how to quote!
During a planning of rebellion, I typically do not seek out people by tapping someone in the shoulder and asking them to join. You have to be a bit more clever than that.
Cough* I did exactly that... I tapped someone on the shoulder and gave the player a few reasons why the player should support a rebellion.
I did try to be more clever after reading your post, I approached a priestess and offered a monopoly of her religion,I would close down all temples to other religions except the player's, if both the player and player's followers join me into rebellion. (that backfired as well...)
Licinius, what you need to remember is that no matter how good your ideas are from your perspective, there will always be another perspective that disagrees. you can't force your perspective on others especially if the majority is against it. you can certainly argue your perspective or try to gain support thru various means, but it is unfair to the other players in a realm to simply hijack the realm for your own purposes - no matter how good you see your purposes as being.
Ah! There's a saying, "There is always two* sides of a coin" I suppose all that is true. I just wanted to avoid stagnation and inactivity by launching something big and fun, I learnt that during my time in East Island, War brings nobles and activity which will revive the realm.
The Democracy idea was just to help new nobles gain positions more often rather than just once in a blue moon however as Constantine typed, Oldies will just get elected over and over again as they are more experienced and tested. Not to mention the shrinking player base.
Reading this paragraph again, it seems quite evil...
Vita,
Hehe that was my plan.
1) Become General.
2) Order all loyalist to move somewhere far on the pretence of incoming hordes of monsters.
3) Rebels will stay behind at the Capital on the pretence of refitting.
4) Disband all militia in Capital.
5) Start rebellion and TO the Capital without a single drop of blood shed.
Well that failed at the first step :'(
The deed has been done, word has gotten out and my rebellion failed before it could even walk.
The next few turns will be certainly interesting, I can't wait!
On the side note, it appears the king is willing to have a compromise by keeping General and Judge positions electable perhaps even the banker.
I'm starting to feel bad at what I have done, darn I had plans for a roleplay on my unique item "Radiating Helm of the Kings" I wanted to write something like.
Madding Licinius screamed out in pain as he desperately clutched his head with both hands. The "Radiating Helm of the Kings" appears to glow brightly for a split second before subsiding into a fainter but still noticeable glow, at this point, Madding Licinius had already calmed down and seemed fine however on closer inspection of his eyes. Madness and Mayhem(Haha a joke! Yeah...I'll walk myself out) danced around the surface of his eyes.
The "Radiating Helm of the Kings" has overtaken Madding Licinius's mind,body and soul!
Madding Licinus then muttered to himself perhaps to the wind. Aurvandil, my name is Aurvandil.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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"Do not insult my intelligence" isn't a saying... it is a defensive phrase. Hence the command "Do not insult!" Is in the phrase, accompanied by "my" stating "Do not insult me!" With a direct object of "intelligence" leading to "Do not insult my intelligence."
Oh wow. ;D
In reality it is simply an euphemistic way to say "only a dumb person would believe that".
You have to be a bit more clever than that, you have people that want to benefit by looking good for spoiling a rebellion and you have Constantine who believes because you are old, you are obviously savvy and more worthy!
More worthy? Definitely never claimed that.
Savvy? Yeah. Not because you somehow get smarter, you simply get to know the realm's key players better, understand their motives, are able to tell friend from foe and dangerous courtiers from simpletons.
Our young friend here had no idea what he was doing, he had no plan, no allies and really nothing to offer to potential supporters. Unlike his old savvy opposition.
Aww that's a pity. Well at least I didn't have no support, there are two other rebels...
Food for thought: at least one rebel is ALWAYS a spy. You do the math. ;)
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one rebel is ALWAYS a spy. You do the math. ;)
I was contemplating the possibility of a spy however I couldn't do anything about it. After all It wouldn't be good to start pointing fingers at either of them.
I also didn't reveal my name to either of them.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Yeah, my point was that you were in fact the only real rebel.
I'm not at all against rebellions and did rebel myself. You just need to put more thought and effort in your next rebellion.
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The deed has been done, word has gotten out and my rebellion failed before it could even walk.
To re-emphasize what Constantine said earlier, unfortunately some will use OOC info ICly, whether consciously or unconsciously. So its often recommended to keep things close to your chest, especially shenanigans seen as 'troublesome' like rebellions and secessions (damn you spellcheck and your red squiggly line telling me this word cannot be used plurally - Ack! Plurally too? Update your dictionary, spellcheck!), when they are most-active and recent, only telling the 'rest of the story', after events have cooled for a bit, in wiki on forum for posterity.
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Constantine,
Thank you, I will definitely try again. Next time with more planning and effort along with what I have learnt in this thread from so many other players.
Vita,
Oh sorry, I didn't know. It won't happen again, at least I hope I won't make the same mistake again.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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No need to apologize, just some helpful words.
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Constantine,
Thank you, I will definitely try again. Next time with more planning and effort along with what I have learnt in this thread from so many other players.
Vita,
Oh sorry, I didn't know. It won't happen again, at least I hope I won't make the same mistake again.
Hic Sunt Leones,
Like it was said before, there are some ways to rebel and I've done several of them. The become General is a very good one, or get an active General to support you. Typically those are well respected people as well in a realm. The sending away loyal forces for the rebellion is smart, but can get you into trouble with the neutral parties who feel somewhat upset that you also put them with the loyalists and didn't tell them of your plan. In Sartania I had a difficult time after my rebellion to get everyone on the same path again.
The other is to voice dissent in public. If there is something you do not like, become vocal about it and see which nobles join you in this. In this way you gain respect while not being the rebel, but rather seen as contributing towards the realm. If you play this game well you get enough supporters to strike when dissent is high enough. You begin with 1 or 2 huge things and after a while you bitch about every little thing the ruler does (or doesn't), which I found rather effective as well in my time in Caergoth :)
Good luck, just never try such shenanigans in Oligarch hehe :p
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The other is to voice dissent in public. If there is something you do not like, become vocal about it and see which nobles join you in this. In this way you gain respect while not being the rebel, but rather seen as contributing towards the realm. If you play this game well you get enough supporters to strike when dissent is high enough. You begin with 1 or 2 huge things and after a while you bitch about every little thing the ruler does (or doesn't), which I found rather effective as well in my time in Caergoth :)
The bitching part reminds me of either Mayhem or Hemmings. I suppose that's a smart strategy, it eventually makes the player seem a much better choice for rulership.
How does everyone write/type arguments so well?! I'm at my wits end trying to take my reasons in this thread and posting it as my reason in Battlemaster, It seems rather OOC as well as IC to do so.
Well I'll have to take Jdodger's advice soon, "you should look for another realm", hmm it does bring up some options including a very tempting realm with Mayhem inside.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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How does everyone write/type arguments so well?!
Lots of practice.
Also, reading a lot. It's surprising how frequent eloquently-presented logical arguments feature in (well-written) SF and fantasy.
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Lots of practice.
Also, reading a lot. It's surprising how frequent eloquently-presented logical arguments feature in (well-written) SF and fantasy.
Thank you so much! Hmmm, I got the reading part covered since I'm reading "A song of Ice and Fire" I guess it's just practicing as well as copying the style of some arguments from other players.
Hic Sunt Leones,
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Heya there, Licinius! My, my, look what you've done to Madina. So much negotiations and activity, almost seems we're suddenly living in a completely different realm ;D
Joking aside, we're not doing particularly bad either. Not that I'm disliking the current engagement of a few in our realm, but, as you can see, not even a third of the realm has deigned to speak a word about the current situation. It's difficult to engage most of our BM fellows in anything other than marching behind an army, and even that is getting more and more difficult to achieve in a timely manner. Madina is definitely not the most silent realm where I am playing at the moment, it might even be the (usually) most active. You should look to JeVondairs, Mayhems and a few other prominent families if you're looking to get the engagement they usually create around them. It is not easily found elsewhere in BM.
And about rebellions, never, ever, EVER begin them by entering the underground. That's usually the last step, when your private letters have earned you the support of the key members of the realm and a fair bunch of regular characters. I won't be writing more about this, I've seen more than enough posts about it already.
All in all, it's always good to see initiative stirring up conflict. Always good for the game, yes it is! (from an OOC point of view, of course 8))
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"Mayhem" led a successful rebellion and became the ruler recently, I got inspired by him. Well I am the Marshal and led the army to victories, only to be beaten down by lack of funds and hordes of monsters. perhaps I should be more vocal :/
I can always follow Mayhem if I got banned, he is planning to create a new realm.
Hic Sunt Leones,
Bonus, once the Mayhem inevitably falls to madness, you get another shot at rebelling ;)
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Writing sunshine and rainbows are fun for me to write, but I also love to write a good conflict. I havn't had much chance at having a good conflict with my nobles as of late, but I did have a blast with the netherworld forces with my advy.
And Anaris is right... lots of practice. But then I've been playing and writing for years.....
Your only limited by your thoughts....
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Bumping this thread up so that the posts in the redundant thread can be moved to this one.
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tl;dr from other thread...
Players have no right to complain about this game. It's awesome.
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tl;dr from other thread...
Players have no right to complain about this game. It's awesome.
I'm not complaining about the game. Leave that to other people. I've been complaining about prevailing attitudes of certain player groups.
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I'm not complaining about the game. Leave that to other people. I've been complaining about prevailing attitudes of certain player groups.
I don't think he was specifically saying you are complaining, he was saying that he liked the game a lot and he saw no reason for others to complain. ;D
He was basically summing up his previous thread.