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BattleMaster => Locals => Beluaterra => Topic started by: Noldorin on February 04, 2013, 08:25:05 PM
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With the successfull rebellion in Melhed, wether its open or not, BT has a new semi-theocracy. They may admit it or not, but with having the Bloodspeaker founder choosing which religions the Lords can have does show some inclination...
That said, what are the current views of the Bloodspeakers towards other religions?
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With the successfull rebellion in Melhed, wether its open or not, BT has a new semi-theocracy. They may admit it or not, but with having the Bloodspeaker founder choosing which religions the Lords can have does show some inclination...
That said, what are the current views of the Bloodspeakers towards other religions?
Destroy Melhed. Problem solved.
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That said, what are the current views of the Bloodspeakers towards other religions?
friendly, with the exception of the golden feathers.
Who are the only evil religion for the bloodspeakers.
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I have already noticed the friendliness with the Daimon-lovers... Too bad Pierre is hitting another rock bottom. :p
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I can't wait to see where the first war comes from. Some kind of Melhed/Thalmarkin thing?
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I can't wait to see where the first war comes from. Some kind of Melhed/Thalmarkin thing?
That seems the most likely, unless Old Grehk decides to move on this whole Caelum thing and ends up at war with Sint and Nothoi.
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I doubt that will happen so long as Caelum doesn't do anything too stupid. OG has agreed to allow the new setup. If we don't do anything to piss off OG, like ban CoH, we should be fine.
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OG is taking the view of sitting back and watching to see how Caelum unfolds with the new ruler they appointed. We have only been trying to help the realm from day 1 to get on its feet so it can evolve and prosper into a flourishing realm on Beluaterra. We have offered gold, miltary aid and now in my recent letter to the new ruler, we have offered food as well.
As for other matters, I believe Melhed is the new focus in the North. It will be interesting to see how the politics in the North are shaped with the new leadership installed from the rebellion. Clearly there will be tensions between Thalmarkin and Melhed. I can see a war breaking out.
Only time will tell :)
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Thalmarkin is itching for a fight. A showdown with Melhed should be interesting no matter who wins :)
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Thalmarkin is itching for a fight. A showdown with Melhed should be interesting no matter who wins :)
Meh, I see it turning into something of a gang-bang if it happens. Melhed doesn't really have any friends that I am aware of, whereas Thalmarkin is lousy with them. That's what Melhed gets for fence-sitting so often. Not to mention managing to piss off both sides of the Fronen vs. Everybody Else war prior to the fifth invasion, which is a real accomplishment.
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Meh, I see it turning into something of a gang-bang if it happens. Melhed doesn't really have any friends that I am aware of, whereas Thalmarkin is lousy with them. That's what Melhed gets for fence-sitting so often. Not to mention managing to piss off both sides of the Fronen vs. Everybody Else war prior to the fifth invasion, which is a real accomplishment.
I thought pissing people off was easy in Battlemaster. Well, I'm still learning. ;)
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I thought pissing people off was easy in Battlemaster. Well, I'm still learning. ;)
Pissing off both sides is the accomplishment of it
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I have already noticed the friendliness with the Daimon-lovers... Too bad Pierre is hitting another rock bottom. :p
yeah there actual goal is indeed to get the daimons back on beluatera, they clearly preach that.
The speakers are also extremely aggressive, if another religion would declare us evil, we would definatly declare them misguided or even evil as well!
and if they would start preaching in the middle of the speakers sphere of influence, causing various riots and lynchings, they would kindly remove them!
Seriously, if your going to post something at-least post something useful.
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Meh, I see it turning into something of a gang-bang if it happens. Melhed doesn't really have any friends that I am aware of, whereas Thalmarkin is lousy with them. That's what Melhed gets for fence-sitting so often. Not to mention managing to piss off both sides of the Fronen vs. Everybody Else war prior to the fifth invasion, which is a real accomplishment.
Melhed didnt do anything diplomaticly (the last months?) it just didnt function at all.
but that doesnt mean individual Melites have friends, or that having friends is necessary to get allies.
In this case i think many realms are looking to join some kind of War.
Lets hope everyone can join in with the fun and may it last, not like any other wars fought thill now on Beluaterra in the last years.
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Melhed didnt do anything diplomaticly (the last months?) it just didnt function at all.
but that doesnt mean individual Melites have friends, or that having friends is necessary to get allies.
In this case i think many realms are looking to join some kind of War.
Lets hope everyone can join in with the fun and may it last, not like any other wars fought thill now on Beluaterra in the last years.
You really think Melhed can last so much in a war?
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yeah there actual goal is indeed to get the daimons back on beluatera, they clearly preach that.
The speakers are also extremely aggressive, if another religion would declare us evil, we would definatly declare them misguided or even evil as well!
and if they would start preaching in the middle of the speakers sphere of influence, causing various riots and lynchings, they would kindly remove them!
Seriously, if your going to post something at-least post something useful.
I didnt say Bloodspeakers loves daimons or wants to summon them, I commented on the attempts of the Bloodspeaker priest to besmudge the OoGF as far away as in Sint, befriending Hemaism (aka daimon-lovers). Though I managed to insult the Pontifex properly in my last letters due to his religion, the diplomatical friendship has made him aware of where all Beluaterran lies originate from (at least now that Chenier is being all silent) :p
Meh, I see it turning into something of a gang-bang if it happens. Melhed doesn't really have any friends that I am aware of, whereas Thalmarkin is lousy with them. That's what Melhed gets for fence-sitting so often. Not to mention managing to piss off both sides of the Fronen vs. Everybody Else war prior to the fifth invasion, which is a real accomplishment.
We would certianly be able to bring up a gang-bang, but thats not really what we are aiming for. We could have smashed Melhed up when they almost attacked us for loosing Lastfell, but we stood back and waited to let Thalmarkin regain strength. Personaly I would prefer a 1 vs 1 war, unless Melhed succeed in getting enough friends in Fronen/Nothoi.
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I didnt say Bloodspeakers loves daimons or wants to summon them, I commented on the attempts of the Bloodspeaker priest to besmudge the OoGF as far away as in Sint, befriending Hemaism (aka daimon-lovers). Though I managed to insult the Pontifex properly in my last letters due to his religion, the diplomatical friendship has made him aware of where all Beluaterran lies originate from (at least now that Chenier is being all silent) :p
what lies? Pierre simply asked if the rumors where true that Sint priests where also attacked by golden feathers, he noted Melhed to have the same problem.
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Well, not lies per say, but IG they are very much viewed as lies. Complaining about our aggressiveness and our "plans for northern Beluaterra".
Im not saying we aren't doing the same... but still its proof of the bloodspeakers non-intention of better relations and a great possibility to cancel the treaty for you priests in Thal fair and square. :)
(that addendum has caused Fingolfin quite some grumbling among the lords, and needs to be fixed sooner or later...)
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Well, not lies per say, but IG they are very much viewed as lies. Complaining about our aggressiveness and our "plans for northern Beluaterra".
Im not saying we aren't doing the same... but still its proof of the bloodspeakers non-intention of better relations and a great possibility to cancel the treaty for you priests in Thal fair and square. :)
(that addendum has caused Fingolfin quite some grumbling among the lords, and needs to be fixed sooner or later...)
Pierre said in reply to Sints report of priests been beaten that "it(the news from sint) confirms us of the feathers aggressive nature and perhaps there intentions for the north, which do not seem good at all."
And concerning priests in thal, what priests? none of the speakers priests ever used that amendum haha, there way to afraid of golden feathers followers.
Your raising Pierre way to much in the air by your suggestions that he is the source of a network of lies spreading threw Beluaterra, it sounds almost conspiracy like.
Alot is realy realy overexerted, it happened with Davis too when he came in the spot light.
Some of my characters tend to keep working on ways that will create conflicts but don't give them all the honor for it while there many others who deserve it to ;) or perhaps even more.
Pierre is pretty lame and the only speaker who pleads for pushing the speakers to actually talk with the golden feathers for once.
he believes in a united humanity and all that hippy crap.
Im not saying we aren't doing the same... but still its proof of the bloodspeakers non-intention of better relations and a great possibility to cancel the treaty for you priests in Thal fair and square.
Ow and i do hope as a player that war breaks out for everyone in beluaterra, not necessarily in one war but without conflict the game becomes boring.
The way golden feathers and speakers hate each other is a bit silly though, they never underline what parts of each others faith they actually believe are evil.
At least the feathers try by simply making up stuff.
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Just use a few scrolls already and see if you can get away with it.
Who is not dying to find out what exactly they do?
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Just use a few scrolls already and see if you can get away with it.
Who is not dying to find out what exactly they do?
don't worry tom, Shae will as soon as she has a few more.
we don't want to ruin them.
unless you make them lets say thrice as powerful for a short period?
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Your raising Pierre way to much in the air by your suggestions that he is the source of a network of lies spreading threw Beluaterra, it sounds almost conspiracy like.
Well, the problem is that the only news coming into Thalmarkin is the doings of your characters :) First Pierre in Unger, then Shae trying to stir a war against Thalmarkin, then Pierre down in Fronen and now new letters from Pierre to Sint... Though there may be others who are even worse, it is easy to see why these two has become large antagonists.
The way golden feathers and speakers hate each other is a bit silly though, they never underline what parts of each others faith they actually believe are evil.
At least the feathers try by simply making up stuff.
Well, the OoGF (i think at least) dislikes the bloodspeakers for a big part because the dislike them... Its like asking christians in the 11th century why they hated the saracens. (might be a bad example but you get my meaning...)
Just use a few scrolls already and see if you can get away with it.
Who is not dying to find out what exactly they do?
If they are used moderatly it would be fun I think, but would be fun to try a normal war for a change :) But well... I suppose as soon as the moderate use is started all hell will break loose quite fast.
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Well, the OoGF (i think at least) dislikes the bloodspeakers for a big part because the dislike them... Its like asking christians in the 11th century why they hated the saracens. (might be a bad example but you get my meaning...)
same with the bloodspeakers, haha
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Meh, I see it turning into something of a gang-bang if it happens. Melhed doesn't really have any friends that I am aware of, whereas Thalmarkin is lousy with them. That's what Melhed gets for fence-sitting so often. Not to mention managing to piss off both sides of the Fronen vs. Everybody Else war prior to the fifth invasion, which is a real accomplishment.
As do I. Really feels like Melhed will make the first moves, and will be severely punished for it.
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Just use a few scrolls already and see if you can get away with it.
Who is not dying to find out what exactly they do?
I wish this forum had a 'like' function.
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We would certianly be able to bring up a gang-bang, but thats not really what we are aiming for. We could have smashed Melhed up when they almost attacked us for loosing Lastfell, but we stood back and waited to let Thalmarkin regain strength. Personaly I would prefer a 1 vs 1 war, unless Melhed succeed in getting enough friends in Fronen/Nothoi.
Given that peace is boring, you may have a hard time convincing your allies to stay out of it.
Also, I would not foresee Fronen or Nothoi falling into Melhed's orbit... Seems an unlikely friendship to say the least. Fronen maybe would have historical reasons to turn on Thalmarkin, but anyone in Fronen with a memory that long should also remember what Melhed tired to do to us.
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Melhed did approached Nothoi to improve relations and alliance, they have done a good work helping fight monsters there.
Don't know how it is going to be with the new government.
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Very few people have contacted the new king so far. You're making many assumptions. And the reasons for the new king hasn't made formal presentations yet 'cause a simple decision to wait for the next days, restructure the government and only then begin the diplomatic work.
Yeux don't have a long history in Beluaterra and he fought only the last invasion for Avalon (and against a horde of Dead Angels... argh). It have good and a bad aspects. It's always a Herculean task to correct the stupidity of past rulers and governments to write a new history from this point when the people will always remember the bad decisions of the past. But something worth to try. And something we have to try.
I will not be demagogic and say Yeux will completely separate the state from religion. But the spread of the Bloodspeakers was natural within Melhed and we faced problems just with the Golden Feather 'cause they realized they were losing followers in Melhed. So they declared us evil without any prior discussion. When our Priests began to be attacked in their own lands while we had Priests of the Golden acting freely, we declare they evil as well. At this point I believe some Priests of the Golden Feather were also attacked within Melhed. Tensions rose further when one of our Priests preached in Lastfell without permission... without Yeux's permission as well. The religious discussions eventually became a subject for the Judges and since then the rights of travel and preaching were restricted in both realms. About worshipers of demons and other theories about the Bloodspeakers is pure ignorance and/or folklore.
About 1x1 war, it's always a good thing. Last time I saw, Melhed still have a good CS and it's amazing how a rebellion can motivate the people and discover how they are loya... and how much the players are willing to give for a good war. In a war of alliances, Melhed need allies. This is something the new King will have to find out.
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Fronen probably wouldn't get involved in a religious war, too many faiths represented in the Senate for something like that to pass. Though with our current Doge who knows?
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Fronen probably wouldn't get involved in a religious war, too many faiths represented in the Senate for something like that to pass. Though with our current Doge who knows?
There wont be a religious war, there is only one nasty religion and that are the feathers.
Which your character has been inviting over a couple of times :P
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There wont be a religious war, there is only one nasty religion and that are the feathers.
Which your character has been inviting over a couple of times :P
I'm not part of either of your faiths. I have found the one true religion.
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I'm not part of either of your faiths. I have found the one true religion.
You joined the Church? Welcome!
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I'm not part of either of your faiths. I have found the one true religion.
I didnt know you founded your own religion, just recalling that your character used to invite feather priests to peach and cause riots in Xhaghus several times.
So tell me more about your faith, and why you founded it?
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I didnt know you founded your own religion, just recalling that your character used to invite feather priests to peach and cause riots in Xhaghus several times.
So tell me more about your faith, and why you founded it?
Haha, no I didn't found my own, too much work. I joined Daishi. So far its been enjoyable and it made the most sense for my character. Hmm, looking at the official views of the faith... what is Brethren of the Light? never heard of it before.
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Hey guys, I'm going to go start a war, okay?
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Hey guys, I'm going to go start a war, okay?
Do it!
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Hey guys, I'm going to go start a war, okay?
be my guest
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Haha, no I didn't found my own, too much work. I joined Daishi. So far its been enjoyable and it made the most sense for my character. Hmm, looking at the official views of the faith... what is Brethren of the Light? never heard of it before.
It's apparently a religion in Rio. I have NFI what it is either. Tried getting realm leaders to get in in contact with them, but notta.
And Daishi... Giant mechs that shoot missiles and lasers, which are your gods, makes the most sense for your character? You didn't join a religion. You joined Robotech.
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It's apparently a religion in Rio. I have NFI what it is either. Tried getting realm leaders to get in in contact with them, but notta.
And Daishi... Giant mechs that shoot missiles and lasers, which are your gods, makes the most sense for your character? You didn't join a religion. You joined Robotech.
battle tech maybe?. I watched robotech and it was awesome but no Daishi there.
The actual in-game stuff seems fine for Battlemaster whatever the inspiration behind it. Certainly not worse than some other faiths I've seen.
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i qoute:
The Ways of Daishi
The ultimate vision: Giant armored gods over thirty feet tall are walking across a battlefield while the tiny humans are fighting Undead and Monsters while scurrying about their feet. These armored gods throw metal javelins and darts the size of small trees that explode on impact. Casual waves of appendages bring forth shafts of lightning that melt and destroy targets along with everything around it.
Wtf? how stoned was the dude who wrote that? (probably after watching transformers on repeat)
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Fine, fine. Robotech. All those mech shows are the same for the most part. :P
And Nosferatus... You and I are both in agreement on something.
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*shrugs* The external board talks of fighting against the enemies of humanity. And, it is still more appealing to my character than the Golden Feather or Bloodspeakers. The faith also makes an attempt to adapt to the history of Beluaterra with its mentions of the undead, daimons & monsters. The Bloodspeakers annoyed the heck out of Yorick during the last invasion so he joined the Golden Feather for a bit. Golden Feather was boring so left after a while with nothing said in the whole time he was part of it.
As for post invasion politics, I'm waiting for the Thalmarkin/Melhed war.
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And Nosferatus... You and I are both in agreement on something.
omg! this is it, grab what ye can, this is the end of times!
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One... it wasn't a "mech show".
Two... if anyone thinks that Robotech and Battletech were anything alike, I feel sorry for them. Robotech is basically aerial combat machines (aka jets) that just happen to be able to do ground combat. Battletech is much, much more conventional, only having land battles, where the mechs are basically walking tanks.
Three, that sounds a lot like the description of the ancient greek gods going to war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilium/Olympos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilium/Olympos)
An example of a futuristic version of Greek Gods, that would still be interpreted by ancient peoples as having godly rather than scientific powers.
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Sorry, but Robotech/Battletech/MechWarrior/Gundam are all the same premise. They just had different levels of technology to drive the same concepts.
Also, never quite heard actual myths make the Greco-Roman gods sound anything like that in battle. Books from the mid 2000s aren't the first to allude to technology = magic, mind you.
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!@#$ing "Aliens from the Past". They have a "modern" or "alien" explanation for everything. Gods marching to war? NOOOO! Mechs and spaceships! In Beluaterra? Sounds funny. Why not? Demons, monsters, undeads... and armored Gods marching, firing rockets!
It's better don't have a faith... so far ;)
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I love the fact that you put Battletech/Mechwarrior as two separate things. Anyways, the point is that you seem to have an issue with generalizing things, as well as a lack of creativity when it comes to the formation of religions.
Also, the reason you may have never heard them described like that in battle is because you've heard it from the perspective of ancient civilizations, to whom many modern technologies would look like magic, let alone nanotechnology.
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!@#$ing "Aliens from the Past". They have a "modern" or "alien" explanation for everything. Gods marching to war? NOOOO! Mechs and spaceships! In Beluaterra? Sounds funny. Why not? Demons, monsters, undeads... and armored Gods marching, firing rockets!
It's better don't have a faith... so far ;)
Well its all metaphorical clearly, they believe any good thing happening while fighting rogues is one of there gods missiles or such striking down to earth.
fighting rogues grants you the power of the gods.
Or at least that's what i understand from it. (alinea 3 the wya of daishi on there wiki)
Still those gods could also be interpreted as the daimons.
They could easily be labeled as Daimon worshipers. (see the 4th and the 5th alinea of the way of Daishi)
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Sorry, but Robotech/Battletech/MechWarrior/Gundam are all the same premise. They just had different levels of technology to drive the same concepts.
Also, never quite heard actual myths make the Greco-Roman gods sound anything like that in battle. Books from the mid 2000s aren't the first to allude to technology = magic, mind you.
I once read a book (Olympos) where post-humans terraformed Mars and turned themselves into Greek gods living on Mount Olympus with nanotechnology and quantum teleported to ancient Greece to intervene in the Trojan War. Pretty interesting actually how sufficiently advanced technology would make possible everything the ancients viewed as the powers of the gods.
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That is the very book (you actually missed the first book, Illium) I was referencing.
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Apparently he just skims your posts, Gustav!
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Still those gods could also be interpreted as the daimons.
They could easily be labeled as Daimon worshipers. (see the 4th and the 5th alinea of the way of Daishi)
Please don't do this.
The "sci-fi" feel pushed by Prudent was not approved by -- or even a result of collaboration with -- the other invasion GMs.
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Hey guys, I'm going to go start a war, okay?
And now we wait.
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I suppose that takes Invictus out of the election? Interesting...
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Damn assassins ;)
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;D
If that doesn't start a war, expect some more surprises.
What position was a "Praetor" anyway? Judge?
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Yes, and taking down the judge is always interesting.
Considering the bloodspeakers having given themselves lots of different positions the last days, it will be fun to see how they handle the election. Will someone dare to run in it for real or will they get a temporary one?
My source of just information just disappeared :p
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Yes, and taking down the judge is always interesting.
Considering the bloodspeakers having given themselves lots of different positions the last days, it will be fun to see how they handle the election. Will someone dare to run in it for real or will they get a temporary one?
My source of just information just disappeared :p
Boom, headshot. ;)
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It's hard to find someone out of the BS when so many nobles belongs to the religion. Happily, it's easy to find new Judges or just wait to appoint the same.
Happy carnaval, folks!
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It's hard to find someone out of the BS when so many nobles belongs to the religion. Happily, it's easy to find new Judges or just wait to appoint the same.
Happy carnaval, folks!
I'll be honest, I did want to create a religious war, but I saw him and guessed he had enough titles to be important. (And don't worry, this isn't simply OOC, I've been looking for good targets for some time.)
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Did you really think this would start a war?
All you did is slow down the process of Melheds reformation, he was the Judge to formalize the new laws.
You simply slowed down our efforts to make the realm and the continent more fun (the reformations will make war much easier and the right people on the right place to get a war going).
Besides simple assassinations are not likley to start a war unless the realm your character belongs to protects your character and his actions.
What would work better was if your character was part of Thalmarkin.
As soon as carnaval is over, things will get rolling (alot of us are either drunk or out of country(like me)).
Including the ruler of Nothoi, Sint and Melhed and several other immportant players i presume.
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Did you really think this would start a war?
I'm not done yet. ;)
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I'm not done yet. ;)
I understand but as stated this action will not have much effect unless your realm supports it and defends your character.
Hopefuly your characters other actions will have some effect.
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You're probably right. So far, it seems the Pontifex is taking his time... I'd really thought he'd be more aggressive about it. I need him to make his move to see which option I go for next.
EDIT: Of course, I guess we also can't really expect a war to start instantaneously from a single incident after peace for so long. It really seems like people just aren't quite ready... That or they're unsure who actually has the most scrolls. :P
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Today Thalmarkin will cancel all diplomatical treaties and diplmatical relations signed in the past with the realm of Melhed.
Fingolfin Noldorin
King of Thalmarkin
What'd you think of this one? :)
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It doesn't go far enough. Just attack already.
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Can't go straight from alliance to war, you know. :)
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General Emeritus Enzo will not allow a foolish headlong rush into war. Good planning wins wars. Not a huge pair of balls. ;-P
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You can still attack without a war declaration.
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Please see my previous comment.
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General Emeritus Enzo will not allow a foolish headlong rush into war. Good planning wins wars. Not a huge pair of balls. ;-P
But if anyone was wondering, Enzo does have massive ones, right?
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Carnaval almost killed me... time to send some messages ;)
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Hoh, but if you have 2 pair of huge balls... then planning is waste of time! Attake!
-Jaune
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Hoh, but if you have 2 pair of huge balls... then planning is waste of time! Attake!
-Jaune
OO has 2 pair of balls? That explains some things... :)
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Dunbor: Let's go kick some asses because screw you that's why.
Fingolfin: Haha sure just let me finish this beer.
Thalmarkin is the best realm in the history of BM.
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Dunbor: Let's go kick some asses because screw you that's why.
Fingolfin: Haha sure just let me finish this beer.
Thalmarkin is the best realm in the history of BM.
Haha. I'm liking the current collective effort to bankrupt the Noldorins. :)
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So then, lets wake up!
Several rulers have been complaining about the lack of activity and the subject of buzzing Tom to a new invasion has even been brought up (even though thats not gonna happen, for better and worse :p ).
I have tried to build up quite alot of tension between Thalmarkin and Melhed, but that isnt all easy when Melhed just bends over for any insult. Will have to try something else soon.
Are there really no possibilities for other conflicts (even if i would manage to get something from Melhed...). There has been tension (at most) between Sint/Nothoi and OG, but nothing more, and the Rio/Enweil saga seems to be all but played to death. I have tried to bug Fleugs to make Rio into city-states for increased fun, but that seems impossible. No other places ready to get something going?
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The invasion's barely over...
Also, everyone can ALWAYS go hunt down Sint for worshipping daimons, leading daimon units against mankind, and trying to summon their daimonic God of Destruction to bring hell to Beluaterra in the third invasion.
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Oh come on... boys will be boys. Isn't it time to forgive and forget?
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Maybby OO should secede Vore and give Thallies some action? :)
-jaune
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Oh come on... boys will be boys. Isn't it time to forgive and forget?
Well, if you want to forgive and forget. But these guys are precisely trying to find something to unforget and unforgive. You can also invade Rio for being such !@#$%^&s to Old Grehk. :P
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I would rather join with Riombara and attack Old Grehk. The arrogant, pompous, windbags.
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I would rather join with Riombara and attack Old Grehk. The arrogant, pompous, windbags.
It's entirely possible that this could be arranged.
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Woohoo! Too bad my character has no reason to contact anyone to arrange it.
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Woohoo! Too bad my character has no reason to contact anyone to arrange it.
Come one, there was a Riombaran army in your realm only two weeks ago. Call them back for tea and crumpets or something.
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Come one, there was a Riombaran army in your realm only two weeks ago. Call them back for tea and crumpets or something.
Sounds like fun, maybe I'll tag along. 8)
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The invasion's barely over...
Also, everyone can ALWAYS go hunt down Sint for worshipping daimons, leading daimon units against mankind, and trying to summon their daimonic God of Destruction to bring hell to Beluaterra in the third invasion.
One thing at the time! Melhed is so much closer...
Maybby OO should secede Vore and give Thallies some action? :)
-jaune
I dare you! :P One word and you will loose your colony!
The arrogant, pompous, windbags.
I said nothing :) (nono... we really do like them!)
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Maybby OO should secede Vore and give Thallies some action? :)
-jaune
I'd love to cede Fronepu one day to form a realm with Vore.
Its quite an awesome place to have a realm, yet it is hard to defend stretching out like that
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We should burn more witches.
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Find a few, and I'll vote for burning!
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mmm... I think the summoning scrolls could be more powerful (or more abundant). The last attempt was pitiful! At this pace we will need ten scrolls to create some chaos! :P (and probably it will be fun if their use were anonymous!)
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I always made it clear that a single scroll won't do very much. But they add up... not necessarily in a linear way.
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I always made it clear that a single scroll won't do very much. But they add up... not necessarily in a linear way.
In time, or if used in quick succession?
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In time, or if used in quick succession?
Quick succession of course.
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I would rather join with Riombara and attack Old Grehk. The arrogant, pompous, windbags.
Arrogant, pompous, windbags? Who are you referring to?
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That was actually a bit of hyperbole, not meant to be taken seriously.
They are arrogant, though. ;)
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Arrogant, pompous, windbags? Who are you referring to?
This is where you refer to Sint as a bunch of demon-worshipping, malign, ruffians.
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This is where you refer to Sint as a bunch of demon-worshipping, malign, ruffians.
Ah, that makes more sense :)
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Quick succession of course.
That's not as "of course" as you might think. Basically: Find out... :-)
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That's not as "of course" as you might think. Basically: Find out... :-)
Is it Risk!-style, where no matter when or how they are used, each is stronger than the last? Or is that also to find out? :P
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Is it Risk!-style, where no matter when or how they are used, each is stronger than the last? Or is that also to find out? :P
You're new to the game, right? :-)
Of course it's to find out. Most cool things in BM are.
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You're new to the game, right? :-)
Of course it's to find out. Most cool things in BM are.
The details, of course, but the specifics given are not equal for every mechanic. :P
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'Find out'?
Scientific experiments in a medieval setting resulting in likely mayhem und 'fun'? Will do!
Any connection to dwarf fortress is entirely coincidental.
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Wait wait wait wait. Fun and Dwarf Fortress are not to be mentioned in the same post when my City is involved!
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Why not? 'What could possibly go wrong?'
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Because I know what Fun means in Dwarf Fortress! Poor Irombro, and it just recovered back to Slow production as well....
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Tom or Tim, can you see how many scrolls already have been used?
I am quite curious.
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Tom or Tim, can you see how many scrolls already have been used?
I am quite curious.
Just the one that I have heard of, but it is certainly possible that others have done so in far greater secrecy than Henzo did. That would quite possibly require the collusion of a realm's government though, since judges are apparently notified under at least some circumstances when someone in the realm uses magic.
This poses an interesting question: Are there realms out there conducting secret tests right now? Or is everyone too wary of the stigma of using them to risk it? For that matter, have any realms even had a conversation about or set a policy on what should be done with these scrolls? Caelum certainly has not. Spellcasting is illegal, but as of right now there is no policy to tell Lords what they should do with any scrolls that might fall into their hands.
We all know what they are and what they're theoretically capable of in general terms thanks to the forum here, but what about our characters? Have other realms had people express questions or concerns about these scrolls? Or are they just taken quietly for granted (which would be a shame, I might add)?
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If it's illegal, the realm might know a scroll was used. But it won't tell them which one. I think there's also a chance he won't be caught, as per illegal looting.
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Everything is legal in Thalmarkin.
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Spellcasting isn't illegal in Fronen but is reported to the Judge according to the realm laws. To my knowledge no one in Fronen has used a scroll but I'm not the Judge.
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Are there realms out there conducting secret tests right now?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Isn't Rio doing some internal testing by setting them off in their own regions, and seeing what happens? I thought I saw something on the forums about that. Or maybe it was a plan that they were thinking about doing.
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Isn't Rio doing some internal testing by setting them off in their own regions, and seeing what happens? I thought I saw something on the forums about that. Or maybe it was a plan that they were thinking about doing.
If it wasn't a secret test, I'd say that you've hit the nail.
But it's a secret test, so no, we're just... errrrrr... gathering in region to dance mambo and some monsters and undead joining us for fun and cookies?
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If it wasn't a secret test, I'd say that you've hit the nail.
But it's a secret test, so no, we're just... errrrrr... gathering in region to dance mambo and some monsters and undead joining us for fun and cookies?
You fight Cookie Monsters in Rio? :o
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You fight Cookie Monsters in Rio? :o
Yeah they have some great acid in brazil i tell you what man.
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Alecsander just emigrated from Caligus.
Brace yourselves, Riombara.
You've got an Astroist anti-republican about to show up on your doorstep.
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Heh. Glad to hear! But...anti-republican? In Riombara? Yeh gods! :)
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An Astroist to boot. The Bloodstars are spreading?
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Heh. Glad to hear! But...anti-republican? In Riombara? Yeh gods! :)
But we're a democratic republic, so that should soften that problem ;) Besides, with who's already there in Riombara, it seems he will fit in just nicely.
Marche will just have to see him converted and it will be all good.
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An Astroist to boot. The Bloodstars are spreading?
Time for Sanguis Astroism to spread to BT.
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Time for Sanguis Astroism to spread to BT.
That would be kinda !@#$ing awesome if it did, IMO.
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That would be kinda !@#$ing awesome if it did, IMO.
I've toyed with the idea of doing this in the past. Evander never got around to it though.
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That would be the third island it is on, in some form.
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That would be the third island it is on, in some form.
Eh? Where else has it caught on?
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Colonies. There is a variant or offshoot based on the Bloodstars, but from a different angle, known as the Cult of the Blinded God.
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Religions/realms spreading to other continents = boring.
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No it isnt, If Darka falls, we will move to another continent and start new Darka! :P
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Thalmarkin and Melhed... why not both against Sint? :'(
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Thalmarkin and Melhed... why not both against Sint? :'(
Because Sint and Melhed both hates the golden feathers and Thalmarkin and Melhed really hate each other??
The war declaration of Thalmarkin is quite barbaric though, nice one!
The reason for war: we think we can rule better over your lands and use them to more efficiently defend humanity when the time comes.
Thats why we will fully destroy you, or better to say, try :P
I am sure this war could cause some dramatic escalations, especially due to the harshness of the war declaration.
thumbs up for Thalmarkin and Melhed.
hopefully some other realms use the opportunity to jump at each other as well.
Maybe Riombara finds something to do, somewhere.
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Ah, so it finally begins. Bear of Thalmarkin meets the Wolf of Melhed, who will claim the throne as the Master of the North?
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Ah, so it finally begins. Bear of Thalmarkin meets the Wolf of Melhed, who will claim the throne as the Master of the North?
I will! Not Thalmarkin, not Melhed... but ME! North belongs to ME!
-OO
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Finally some war at least... Both have been preparing for it for some time now, even though nothing was said out loud.
And yeah... would be preferable to see some other wars as well. Dont know how long I can keep OG and Fronen from getting some fun in my war too :p
Fronen/OG vs Nothoi/Sint anyone? :)
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Finally some war at least... Both have been preparing for it for some time now, even though nothing was said out loud.
And yeah... would be preferable to see some other wars as well. Dont know how long I can keep OG and Fronen from getting some fun in my war too :p
Fronen/OG vs Nothoi/Sint anyone? :)
Fronen and Old Grehk against Nothoi and Sint? Interesting... Things in Fronen have changed? Last time I checked, they had a lot of reasons to be bitter at Old Grehk and somewhat fewer reasons to be upset with Nothoi.
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No idea, just trying to find some balance in the wars :p
Suppose Fronen is a bit unhappy about them mountains in the west that Nothoi kept. But I see no way for OG to go to war with Nothoi, and very few for going to war with Sint. So perhaps not then.
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Nothoi and Fronen might have some issues to resolve over the way our former Doge handled the return of Dyomoque but I don't see us going to war because of that.
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Soooo What exactly is Thalmarkan's cassus belli again?
All i got from their war declaration was "rawr"
I realize this means I love you in Dinosaur, but somehow I feel as though there was no love lost in the translation...
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Well pretty much this is just a war to try bash up the ever unreliable and threatning neighbour in the east. We have both wanted to fight eachother for a long long time, but been interupted by other wars and invasions.
The main goal for Thalmarkin is to recreate Ar Agyr, and gain a trusted warrior-neighbour rather than the political rich-people in Melhed.
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Well pretty much this is just a war to try bash up the ever unreliable and threatning neighbour in the east. We have both wanted to fight eachother for a long long time, but been interupted by other wars and invasions.
The main goal for Thalmarkin is to recreate Ar Agyr, and gain a trusted warrior-neighbour rather than the political rich-people in Melhed.
why Ar Agyr in particular if i may ask?
Or does it just sound cool?
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Uhm well, the only reasons is that it happend to be in the regions Melhed own (since you were the ones we wanted war with), and we have their old king(s?) in Thalmarkin.
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Uhm well, the only reasons is that it happend to be in the regions Melhed own (since you were the ones we wanted war with), and we have their old king(s?) in Thalmarkin.
Perhaps if you found a new realm anywhere it is cool to setup up a (original) concept instead of an empty shell.
It's name could reflect on that concept.
I hate realms who have nothing setup nor any feel of culture or uniqueness.
Don't you?
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Fronen should war Melhed for their namesake city. *nods sagely*
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Perhaps if you found a new realm anywhere it is cool to setup up a (original) concept instead of an empty shell.
It's name could reflect on that concept.
I hate realms who have nothing setup nor any feel of culture or uniqueness.
Don't you?
Its a much better reason to war to resurrect an old ally than just making a new realm.
For the uniqueness of the new realm, that will have to be up for them to manage themselves. From what I have heard and seen, realms under the Cosulas seldom get boring or one among the rest. Im not gonna sit in Thalmarkin and decide the culture and goals of another realm.
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Perhaps if you found a new realm anywhere it is cool to setup up a (original) concept instead of an empty shell.
It's name could reflect on that concept.
I hate realms who have nothing setup nor any feel of culture or uniqueness.
Don't you?
I think it's a bit early to have a full realm concept again, that stuff takes time and is never finished. The main point is, Thalmarkin is Ar Agyr's heir and we have a family in our ranks who can claim the realm back.
A more detailed explanation:
Letter from Dunbor Lorganson (1 day, 22 hours ago)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (39 recipients)
Ah ye great warriors of Thalmarkin! Your call for blood and glory has been heard. The lands of our foe are vast and populous, it's riches the tale of legends, the treasure of generations of hoarding. Ripe for the taking.
We shall descend upon these lands with steel and fire and block their warm sun with clouds of arrows and smoke. We shall take their treasures, their luxuries, deprive them of their decadence and make their people strong again. As they were in the old days, the forgotten days, before the daimons came and destroyed, when the undead and monsters rose mindless from the ground and laid waste to the lands of man. When Ashborn still stood. When Mesh still lived. When Nuzanki and Lin Helon still were dry.
Before the rise of the Thalmar, there was only one Northern empire. Our ancestors of the warrior Republic of Ar Agyr long ruled these lands. They braved the armies of man when the entire continent, lead by Enweil, marched against them and their once brave allies of Melhed. They fought, they slaughtered and they prevailed until they finally fell to the savagery of the undead. Their refugees, led by King Julma Jaune Cosula the Fearless, came to Old Grehk and founded the Kingdom of Thalmarkin when the plague was destroyed. They reclaimed these lands and now years later, we rule over all but a few. The true heirs of Ar Agyr, warriors of the cold with hearts of fire.
But our ancient ally, Melhed, has long lost their strength of mind and now even their traditions. For more than 6 years they did not fight a war. When we marched, they sat. When we conquered, they sat. When we died, they sat. They called us allies and friends, but not without getting up from their seats. They have grown fat, they have grown lazy and they have lost all right to rule over the lands of our ancestors. We will give our kin strong warriors to follow who will bring honour to the heroes of our mutual past. We will give them hope again. And glory. And a chance at eternity. We will restore their traditions and the Melites shall gaze upon us and they will know the face of the true rulers of the North. And they will see the error in their ways. Or they will be made to see.
Long have we waited for this day, and hard has our King worked to give it to us. So gather your weapons, sharpen them, practice your arm and bring enough ale! Honour your King and give him blood.
For Thalmarkin is marching to war.
Dunbor Lorganson
Duke of Unger
Margrave of Unger
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Touché
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No one want allies, we want war, pure and simple. A continent full of allies is a poor continent to play. But since I can put almost the same CS of militia in Agyr that Thalmarkin have, I doubt they can do something to take the city. I survived the demons, I cannot see why I cannot hold the city against Thalmarkin. Yeux is rich enough to do it again and again. With 99/100% of Oratory and almost the entire city (and the entire realm) covered by followers, you can even expect a bloodbath if you take the city. I just love "autos da fe"
The great problem for Melhed is Old Grehk. The ruler already said he will never let Melhed destroy Thalmarkin and as I can see from his words, his "colony" and little child. Then we will fight a defensive war until we can havoc Thalmarkin. Maybe give some reason to the people really hate the Bloodspeakers, bringing the scrolls and spreading hordes everywhere inside Thalmarkin.
Yeux don't care with gold or positions. He's a pilgrim. As he said: "I don't care to burn Beluaterra to the ground to kick Thalmarkin back to their northern shores". He have no fear to push the red button. For me it's like Kubrick's Doctor Strange Love ;)
Maybe the people of Thalmarkin are right about Melhed... but Melhed belongs to Yeux now. And if you know Erik, you can expect the same kind of problems.
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Oh, I am praying for a long 1 on 1 war. :)
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With 99/100% of Oratory and almost the entire city (and the entire realm) covered by followers, you can even expect a bloodbath if you take the city. I just love "autos da fe"
Maybe give some reason to the people really hate the Bloodspeakers, bringing the scrolls and spreading hordes everywhere inside Thalmarkin.
You really don't want it to be a 1v1 war then, eh? I doubt OG and even Fronen would stand by and let insane warlocks on their borders... or anywhere even remotely near them for that matter.
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Oh, I am praying for a long 1 on 1 war. :)
Eff. Yeah.
You really don't want it to be a 1v1 war then, eh? I doubt OG and even Fronen would stand by and let insane warlocks on their borders... or anywhere even remotely near them for that matter.
They're not the only ones with insane warlocks.
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No one want allies, we want war, pure and simple. A continent full of allies is a poor continent to play. But since I can put almost the same CS of militia in Agyr that Thalmarkin have, I doubt they can do something to take the city. I survived the demons, I cannot see why I cannot hold the city against Thalmarkin. Yeux is rich enough to do it again and again. With 99/100% of Oratory and almost the entire city (and the entire realm) covered by followers, you can even expect a bloodbath if you take the city. I just love "autos da fe"
The great problem for Melhed is Old Grehk. The ruler already said he will never let Melhed destroy Thalmarkin and as I can see from his words, his "colony" and little child. Then we will fight a defensive war until we can havoc Thalmarkin. Maybe give some reason to the people really hate the Bloodspeakers, bringing the scrolls and spreading hordes everywhere inside Thalmarkin.
Yeux don't care with gold or positions. He's a pilgrim. As he said: "I don't care to burn Beluaterra to the ground to kick Thalmarkin back to their northern shores". He have no fear to push the red button. For me it's like Kubrick's Doctor Strange Love ;)
Maybe the people of Thalmarkin are right about Melhed... but Melhed belongs to Yeux now. And if you know Erik, you can expect the same kind of problems.
So limit your war aims? Just say you intend to reclaim... Whatever city it is up there you used to own. And play some clever diplomacy.
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So limit your war aims? Just say you intend to reclaim... Whatever city it is up there you used to own. And play some clever diplomacy.
I think Qual was the site where Pierre Reynald found some ancient Bloodspeaker text. Could always go for a good ol' "holy land" cassus belli. That usually ends simply and without any long-lasting effect. :D
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I think Qual was the site where Pierre Reynald found some ancient Bloodspeaker text. Could always go for a good ol' "holy land" cassus belli. That usually ends simply and without any long-lasting effect. :D
I don't think anyone in Melhed thinks we rightfuly claim more then the lin helon duchy, Lastfell and qual.
But thalmarkin declared total destruction on Melhed.
If Melhed would take qual, lastfell and a few other rurals, Thalmarkin will most likley just keep fighting.
Besides, one of the reasons Shae jousted Yeux on that throne is because he is a direct man of harsh words without restrain, not very diplomatic. :)
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I specifically said in the war intention that we do not wish the total destruction of Melhed.
No one want allies, we want war, pure and simple. A continent full of allies is a poor continent to play. But since I can put almost the same CS of militia in Agyr that Thalmarkin have, I doubt they can do something to take the city. I survived the demons, I cannot see why I cannot hold the city against Thalmarkin. Yeux is rich enough to do it again and again. With 99/100% of Oratory and almost the entire city (and the entire realm) covered by followers, you can even expect a bloodbath if you take the city. I just love "autos da fe"
So, then we will just starve the city and let your peasants kick you out instead :p We have no intentions of making this a short war, as been said.
Also, not sure if you remember it, but it was Thalmarkin that saved Agyr. The city was 1 turn away from being blighted when we moved in and rescued your precious city.
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Also, not sure if you remember it, but it was Thalmarkin that saved Agyr. The city was 1 turn away from being blighted when we moved in and rescued your precious city.
My character is not known for his gratitude. Especially when the intentions are to take the city for yourself declaring war after poor and ridiculous excuses. Also, my precious city is Avamar. Now it's just a question of who have the best army.
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My character is not known for his gratitude. Especially when the intentions are to take the city for yourself declaring war after poor and ridiculous excuses. Also, my precious city is Avamar. Now it's just a question of who have the best army.
That is always the question.
As for poor and ridiculous excuses, we have a royal heir from AA claiming their long lost capital and namesake city back. That alone is a worthy casus belli in every medieval textbook and there is no medieval noble worth the name who would say "no, you have absolutely no right to these lands".
So forget about the years of inconsequential "friendship", forget about the multiple successful votes for war against us, forget about the posturing right after the invasion and the bloodspeaker rebellion, this alone is a good enough reason for war. And if more people would see it that way in stead of dismissing more creative casus belli as "excuses" perhaps there wouldn't be dozens of realms in BM stuck in deadlocked peace.
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My dagger is ready.
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My dagger is ready.
I am excited for party times.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33672146/DaggerCake.jpg)
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We have a lot of strange claims to start wars in this year. Why the people don't have enough courage to just say they want to fight and have more lands to extend their influence and power? BM is a game of colonization and everyone wants new colonies. The obvious tendency is those who already have the strongest allies to wish more power.
Unfortunately I have to agree that the past of Melhed as ally sucks. I arrived in a time when the people discussed too much just to take the most horrible decisions. Maybe I'd rather be alongside Thalmarkin, but fate put me in Melhed (after Avalon... a "strange" realm to play) and I can only try to do my best against the odds. And I'm also not naive enough to not think that Yeux was chosen to lead the rebellion to be someone with some willingness to be influenced, something far from truth. It's well known that Pierre have a lot of influence and his own policies.
I just doubt the people will realize how the north are strong and growing stronger. The usual answer: they have too much fear to fight, them they don't want to escalate things in this war.
Then, Melhed needs more Knights ;)
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We have a lot of strange claims to start wars in this year. Why the people don't have enough courage to just say they want to fight and have more lands to extend their influence and power? BM is a game of colonization and everyone wants new colonies. The obvious tendency is those who already have the strongest allies to wish more power.
Strange claims? I'm sorry, I think you are rather confused. I think Thalmarkin's ex-AA claim, for example, is a brilliant one. Even if it is completely made up, it's still a claim they make. You know, that's how claims work. You claim stuff and then, when you think the time is right, you push for your claim to be recognized.
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As for poor and ridiculous excuses, we have a royal heir from AA claiming their long lost capital and namesake city back. That alone is a worthy casus belli in every medieval textbook and there is no medieval noble worth the name who would say "no, you have absolutely no right to these lands".
So forget about the years of inconsequential "friendship", forget about the multiple successful votes for war against us, forget about the posturing right after the invasion and the bloodspeaker rebellion, this alone is a good enough reason for war. And if more people would see it that way in stead of dismissing more creative casus belli as "excuses" perhaps there wouldn't be dozens of realms in BM stuck in deadlocked peace.
I have to agree with you, it's valid. Not to the Melites though. They might be whining about a baseless war, but the truth is that Melhed would have done the same thing if it were in Thal's shoes.
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Dont be too sure about that... the only war they started the last 5(?) years was against a realm who was already being smashed up in a 3 vs 1 war. To acctually start a 1 vs 1 war seems to be one of their least interests.
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It's better this way anyway. Easier to keep it a one on one war if we're the aggressor. :)
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Dont be too sure about that... the only war they started the last 5(?) years was against a realm who was already being smashed up in a 3 vs 1 war. To acctually start a 1 vs 1 war seems to be one of their least interests.
I can be pretty sure, since I play in Melhed, whereas you are making assumptions about our internal climate. I guess we'll never know what would have happened otherwise! :P
So anyway, looking forward to some good battles!
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I have to agree with you, it's valid. Not to the Melites though. They might be whining about a baseless war, but the truth is that Melhed would have done the same thing if it were in Thal's shoes.
Thats is what Melhed WOULD have done, if thal didnt declare first.
With or without 'em fancy thalmarkian crocodile leather shoes.
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With or without 'em fancy thalmarkian crocodile leather shoes.
Ripped from the cold feet of Melite peasants.
Thats is what Melhed WOULD have done, if thal didnt declare first.
Oh and we definitely went out of our way to give you reason to. :)
We just didn't feel like waiting any longer, sooner or later someone was going to drag us into some war we didn't want and leave us open for you. And of course there is the many many points you gain on the awesome meter for declaring the first war of the new age. 8)
And this one is going to be a long one. :D
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Ripped from the cold feet of Melite peasants.
Oh and we definitely went out of our way to give you reason to. :)
We just didn't feel like waiting any longer, sooner or later someone was going to drag us into some war we didn't want and leave us open for you. And of course there is the many many points you gain on the awesome meter for declaring the first war of the new age. 8)
And this one is going to be a long one. :D
Off course if war is coming, its best to take the initiative your self, the timing was perfect i must say.
Waiting was only in Melheds advantage, many knew that.
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I would bet on Thalmarkin winning. In my many years of Battlemaster, and with - amongst others - Lorgan putting in a very serious effort to create an enjoyable sphere for others, it has been a realm that made amazing progress in the past year. Very few can compete with how Thalmarkin was able to attract so many nobles in a time that the player base was slightly shrinking.
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The war would have started the minute the invasion was over if that was not hiding behind OG and Sint.
Also, Thalmarkin came and saved Agyr? Why is it that Agyr was even left open? Melhed was in Unger saving thalmarkin. During the last invasion, I hired three full SF units for two characters and they all died fighting to save Unger. Thalmarkin did a lot to try to provoke a war, but it was never guaranteed that it would be a one on one war. That amounts to taunting someone when your big friends with bats are standing beside you.
What I find most interesting is the differences in interpretations on how events unfolded. The whole Fronen war was a huge debacle in Melhed. But the interpretation of the events by others is in no way accurate to what occurred in Melhed or in any way representative of the motives at the time. Melhed wanted to stay out of the conflict, but every attempt to stay neutral was seen as aggressive and eventually I feel like we were bullied into attacking Fronen. As I look back at it, the whole think felt like an elaborate attempt for Thalmarkin to have reason to attack Melhed. I am still not certain it wasn't. And yet, from the outside Melhed is seen as cowardly and dishonest.
Oh well. Not playing in Melhed anymore. Although I am interested in how this war turns out.
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Among old farts, which i doubt are not many left... atleast original characters, mayby their siblings like my chars... Melhed is face with mixed feelings. They were the ones fighting side by side with Ar Agyr against almost rest of the island, but they were the ones giving up and whole coalition could push against AA which eventually TOGETHER with monsters and undeads wrecked AA and it was destroyed. The day Melhed gave up, many AA's nobles said it loud, "some day, Melhed will pay for this!"
JJ didnt thought that way, cause he knew that Melhed simply has lost its motivation and strenght... they were not able to keep even their own regions on shape, AA TOed them to keep them away from Fronen. After that war, Melhed became burocrazy machine. If something were asked from them... issue were over long time ago before their senate gave any word about issue... it became public joke at Thalmarkin... But Melhed were still watched as friendly realm. PP were with good terms then. I guess relations started to get poorer during Fingolfins rule... Melhed continued to be just rich buddy on our neighbour. Some of them indeed were very respected at Thalmarkin, example Duke Bob, who always were there to help out with his huge units, he became legend at Thalmarkin.
After invasion ended, things started to string more and more... big parts of Thalmarkin were blighted, Melhed started to demand Lastfell back. That was refused strongly by almost all nobles at Thalmarkin, Thalmarkin was ready to fight over it if needed... same time our lands were wrecked. Most regions had only handfull peasants, Unger was still ruined... We were simply not ready for war. Fingolfin is excellent King, he played time... when time was running up and Melhed started to get real angry and war started to look for real thing, OG and Sint stepped up and that made Melhed to sign treaty.
Religious events started to dig deeper and deeper gap between the realms, and both realms prolly knew, war will start soon... Thalmarkin had recovered about invasion pretty well, Melhed were going through powerswift and new leadership had shown that it is seeking to make Melhed ready to face any military actions needed. This time clock started to tick on other direction, time was on Melheds side. Thalmarkin quickly started to be ready for war, nobles started to recruit on both side of the border, Thalmarkin invested a lot to get gold stocks ready for war... then war started. Here we are... well build war scenario... Melhed prolly stronger as economy and military wise, but they lack nobles compared to Thalmarkin... also Thalmarkin has many traditionally very well known military leaders as well as experts on economy side. Thalmarkins military is almost all mobile, and big part of Melhed military strenght is from militia.
This indeed will be very intresting war, as long as it stays 1 vs. 1... I dont think this will be fast war, they are too even to get quick upper hand, as long as leadership arent fumbling big time.
These are my few cents on the issue...
-Future King of Agyr, Grandson of Julma Jaune, Son of Piru Petteri, Holder of endless stock of socks.
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What I find most interesting is the differences in interpretations on how events unfolded. The whole Fronen war was a huge debacle in Melhed. But the interpretation of the events by others is in no way accurate to what occurred in Melhed or in any way representative of the motives at the time. Melhed wanted to stay out of the conflict, but every attempt to stay neutral was seen as aggressive and eventually I feel like we were bullied into attacking Fronen. As I look back at it, the whole think felt like an elaborate attempt for Thalmarkin to have reason to attack Melhed. I am still not certain it wasn't. And yet, from the outside Melhed is seen as cowardly and dishonest.
Oh well. Not playing in Melhed anymore. Although I am interested in how this war turns out.
Interesting, if true. Fronen obviously never did anything to provoke Melhed, and since it wasn't part of the original alliance attacking Fronen, its rather sudden decision to get involved looked an awful lot like rank opportunism. Of course we always wanted Melhed to help us, but we weren't about to blame them for staying neutral; even with Melhed's help that war was still a losing proposition. I can't say what the realms fighting us were saying behind the scenes, but the way things came out I'd be surprised if any of them were seriously pressuring Melhed to join in. If that were the case, you'd think Melhed's involvement would have been welcomed. Obviously that's not how it turned out.
In these situations the simplest explanation is usually the most likely. In this case, it would be a serious misreading of the political situation by Melhed. I rather doubt that there was any elaborate conspiracy at work to trick Melhed into doing something stupid. Most realms are quite capable of doing stupid things all on their own...
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The war would have started the minute the invasion was over if that was not hiding behind OG and Sint.
Yes, back when we had just over 40,000 peasants total (with a potential of almost 160k) and had just lost all of our gold and most of our infrastructure and manpower to Overlord, DHotN, DHotW, MotE, the first blight daimon and the northern blight daimon's genocides and other plundering and all the battles we had fought throughout the invasion, fielding 23,000 CS standard and often more. We were so poor that even in the middle of the invasion, my character suggested to ask Melhed of all realms, for a loan to keep it up. Needless to say the suggestion was shot down and we did without it but when the invasion was finally over, we were flat out broke. And that's when Melhed came looking for war.
Sure we provoked the genocides and everything that came with it and brought it all upon ourselves - Overlord wasn't the first to besiege Unger, DHotN and DHotW both tried before him - but still, you could not expect us to look at our immensely rich and populous neighbour in the state that we were in and say "ok, we'll fight you one on one over this". You may have expected us to cave and just give you the townsland right next to our capital along with the other lands but then we were not /that/ weak that we'd just roll over for a neighbour we had long lost all respect for and we knew wanted to war us.
Also, the moment that Agyr was left open was when King Fingolfin provoked Overlord into naming his battlefield and face the united armies of man, a battle which ended up killing the last of Overlord's sons, making him mortal, while also utterly devastating all of our armies. When refitting we had a choice: save Ossmat from the Darkest Hour of the West or save Agyr from Midnight of the East. In the end it was decided that OG and Sint would attempt to save Ossmat - which failed - and that we would move to save Agyr with Melhed, which did succeed.
Anyway, we did during the invasion what had to be done. You won't hear me complain of Melhed's performance but this war has been long coming, had the fifth invasion not come so early, we would have had this conflict settled before the invasion. It's only fitting that it is the first conflict to be settled after.
In these situations the simplest explanation is usually the most likely. In this case, it would be a serious misreading of the political situation by Melhed. I rather doubt that there was any elaborate conspiracy at work to trick Melhed into doing something stupid. Most realms are quite capable of doing stupid things all on their own...
Our expectations from Melhed for that war were as following:
1. They'd stay out of it.
2. They'd join on Fronen's side.
To see them join our side, even after multiple votes in favour of war with us, was quite a surprise. Their behaviour during the war as well as their peace treaty less so. :)
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Our expectations from Melhed for that war were as following:
1. They'd stay out of it.
2. They'd join on Fronen's side.
To see them join our side, even after multiple votes in favour of war with us, was quite a surprise. Their behaviour during the war as well as their peace treaty less so. :)
I think Sorens Reasoning behind this action was that staying neutral or joining Fronen would lead to another gang bang on Melhed or at-least heavy deterioration of relations between Melhed and its allies in the north.
He also wanted to help Fronen so he thought he could find a 'clever' middle way, joining the NA alliance in there war without really harming Fronen, taking Jyl and Marpii to prevent the other realms from taking them ( i have no idea if the NA had that intention, probabaly not).
After the war Melhed gave the regions back.
But it didnt work, mostly because Melhed joined in to late due to endless discussion in the senate, who for that reason was disbanded and eventually (just recently) replaced by a new government.
Fronen also didnt take it as 'help' and some still hold a grudge against Melhed for it.
Yet i believe most Fronites back then are no longer in Fronen right now.
It also caused quite the upheavel in Melhed, with nobles like Pierre going beserk over it almost draging Melhed in a war with Thalmarkin (unfortunatly it didnt work) :P
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Our expectations from Melhed for that war were as following:
1. They'd stay out of it.
2. They'd join on Fronen's side.
To see them join our side, even after multiple votes in favour of war with us, was quite a surprise. Their behaviour during the war as well as their peace treaty less so. :)
I was certainly surprised at the time; I figured that the odds were 10:1 that they would stay neutral, with a long shot chance for us to convince them to help us. It was kind of fun to see them panic and back peddle though after it all went down. It all went over like a lead balloon. In the immediate aftermath of their war declaration I actually seriously discussed with Fingolfin the possibility of making peace with the north (at a not insignificant cost to Fronen) so that we could then ally with Thalmarkin and attack Melhed together. I've never been certain, but I'm fairly sure that Melhed caught wind of the possibility somehow because that's right about the time that they suddenly started being very nice to me (if not downright solicitous) and offered to take themselves right back out of the war with a polite "sorry for the misunderstanding," an apology I had no choice but to accept with a forced smile and clenched teeth.
I think Sorens Reasoning behind this action was that staying neutral or joining Fronen would lead to another gang bang on Melhed or at-least heavy deterioration of relations between Melhed and its allies in the north.
He also wanted to help Fronen so he thought he could find a 'clever' middle way, joining the NA alliance in there war without really harming Fronen, taking Jyl and Marpii to prevent the other realms from taking them ( i have no idea if the NA had that intention, probabaly not).
After the war Melhed gave the regions back.
But it didnt work, mostly because Melhed joined in to late due to endless discussion in the senate, who for that reason was disbanded and eventually (just recently) replaced by a new government.
Fronen also didnt take it as 'help' and some still hold a grudge against Melhed for it.
Yet i believe most Fronites back then are no longer in Fronen right now.
It also caused quite the upheavel in Melhed, with nobles like Pierre going beserk over it almost draging Melhed in a war with Thalmarkin (unfortunatly it didnt work) :P
See, the problem with that line of reasoning is that Soren never discussed such 'help' with us beforehand. Those regions were not in fact targets of the NA; they wanted everything west of the lake as far east as Wudenkin and Dyomoque, so losing more regions besides was not really 'helpful.' :P Seeing as we were never told that Melhed taking our regions was supposed to 'help' us, we definitely didn't take it that way. You are probably right though, I think a lot of the families that were around then aren't in Fronen any more, including mine.
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Melhed tried so hard to always stay neutral that they never did anything, at least in my time serving the realm. I realy don't care with the past since I was not there to evaluate. Yeux is not neutral and this kind of policies will not happen in the future if we survive and if he stay as King ;D
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So, how long before all the other realms of Beluaterra realize that the demons are gone, alliances are growing stale, and the grass is truly greener on your neighbors side of the fence?
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Not too long for Rio, methinks.
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Here's to hopin'!
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I can't tell in Melhed, but are any of the Bel realms big on RP? I'm just imagining what a great writing opportunity this is. The break down in post-invasion relations, the intrigue, the old feuds previously thought laid to rest being dragged up from the dead, new wars and hatreds, all just in time for yet another invasion...
Fun times.
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all just in time for yet another invasion...
Invasions, as we know them, will never happen again. Key being as we know them since technically a bunch of summoning scrolls being used at once could be "an invasion".
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The war would have started the minute the invasion was over if that was not hiding behind OG and Sint.
Also, Thalmarkin came and saved Agyr? Why is it that Agyr was even left open? Melhed was in Unger saving thalmarkin.
You know that Melhed contributed to about 2 of the 9 battles that were required to free Unger, right? And even then, that they made up less than half of the CS present at the battles? That we depopulated entire regions, and bankrupted families in this pursuit? Solari family had 9,900 gold before the invasion, and spent 8,500 in two weeks in Thalmarkin... and that's just one family. And that we helped free Grehk's capital after yours? And you know that we—literally me, Lorgan, and Noldorin—had to coach Melhed's general and marshals on how to handle Agyr? Turn by turn. They were ready to throw in the towel. We had to encourage them to keep recruiting militia and fight. Enzo sat in Agyr and told them what to do. I can't even remember why it was a good idea at the time. I think I disagreed with it. Maybe Lorgan did. Or Noldorin. The point is, despite a nagging intuition that it was a bad idea, we did it. And even then, Melhed's Council wasn't entirely sold. Ivagil was apparently the only Melite with any sense. I miss him.
Melhed as it is now would not exist without Thalmarkin. I don't think this is especially controversial to people who have a decent command of the facts on both sides. The takeover was at what... 88-92% before they started listening? There is tremendous resentment in Thalmarkin with regard to how this assistance was (or wasn't) conveyed to the rank and file of Melhed... the rank and file that now rules. That is the root of all of the animosity that led to this war.
I'm incredibly modest as to the accomplishments of the various realms I play in. Every character and ream has flaws. But Thalmarkin, beginning the since last invasion, has been a paragon of how a realm should behave when it cares more about a cause than its own self-preservation. And this seems to be a theme. I wasn't there for the previous invasion, but they bounced back quite nicely from the brink of death (2 regions). How did Melhed fare again? Accordingly, when it comes to Thalmarkin and Melhed, I get tired of competing narratives. I've seen both sides of it. I've intentionally sought out explanations of motives and histories from folks on both sides. Let's be diplomatic and chalk it all up to a series of small failures and indelicacies on both sides following the invasion. But suggesting that Melhed was somehow self-reliant and capable of addressing this threat on its own is nuts.
EDIT: I remember now. It was very much me who thought that we should let Melhed die.
EDIT 2: I realized that the idea to spare no effort to save the capital came from two people—Noldorin and Lorgan. I was all too eager to abandon Unger for Vore. I was wrong. Tom even commented on this show of resilience, and how it wore down the Daimon army and the Overlord.
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Is there a sparknotes version of that? ::)
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Is there a sparknotes version of that? ::)
Sure, I'll indulge. Most of the people who play in Melhed and comment on these forums have bought into a mass delusion, IC and OOC, about their own self-reliance, and re-written the realm's history for whatever purpose. And it's going to get the realm killed. Who knows if the same players actually know better. If not, that's understandable, but sad. If so, that's just sad.
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Rio is free to go kick OG's ass, given how relations between the two suck.
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You know that Melhed contributed to about 2 of the 9 battles that were required to free Unger, right? And even then, that they made up less than half of the CS present at the battles? That we depopulated entire regions, and bankrupted families in this pursuit? Solari family had 9,900 gold before the invasion, and spent 8,500 in two weeks in Thalmarkin... and that's just one family. And that we helped free Grehk's capital after yours? And you know that we—literally me, Lorgan, and Noldorin—had to coach Melhed's general and marshals on how to handle Agyr? Turn by turn. They were ready to throw in the towel. We had to encourage them to keep recruiting militia and fight. Enzo sat in Agyr and told them what to do. I can't even remember why it was a good idea at the time. I think I disagreed with it. Maybe Lorgan did. Or Noldorin. The point is, despite a nagging intuition that it was a bad idea, we did it. And even then, Melhed's Council wasn't entirely sold. Ivagil was apparently the only Melite with any sense. I miss him.
Melhed as it is now would not exist without Thalmarkin. I don't think this is especially controversial to people who have a decent command of the facts on both sides. The takeover was at what... 88-92% before they started listening? There is tremendous resentment in Thalmarkin with regard to how this assistance was (or wasn't) conveyed to the rank and file of Melhed... the rank and file that now rules. That is the root of all of the animosity that led to this war.
I'm incredibly modest as to the accomplishments of the various realms I play in. Every character and ream has flaws. But Thalmarkin, beginning the since last invasion, has been a paragon of how a realm should behave when it cares more about a cause than its own self-preservation. And this seems to be a theme. I wasn't there for the previous invasion, but they bounced back quite nicely from the brink of death (2 regions). How did Melhed fare again? Accordingly, when it comes to Thalmarkin and Melhed, I get tired of competing narratives. I've seen both sides of it. I've intentionally sought out explanations of motives and histories from folks on both sides. Let's be diplomatic and chalk it all up to a series of small failures and indelicacies on both sides following the invasion. But suggesting that Melhed was somehow self-reliant and capable of addressing this threat on its own is nuts.
EDIT: I remember now. It was very much me who thought that we should let Melhed die.
EDIT 2: I realized that the idea to spare no effort to save the capital came from two people—Noldorin and Lorgan. I was all too eager to abandon Unger for Vore. I was wrong. Tom even commented on this show of resilience, and how it wore down the Daimon army and the Overlord.
Thalmarkin is just full of nice guys :)
@Chenier, Rio is welcome to try ;)
It was very poor form IC wise how it was handled, all letters were ignored and never responded to. All Rio did was withdraw from the treaty after OG pulled out. No explanations, no nothing.
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Thalmarkin is just full of nice guys :)
@Chenier, Rio is welcome to try ;)
It was very poor form IC wise how it was handled, all letters were ignored and never responded to. All Rio did was withdraw from the treaty after OG pulled out. No explanations, no nothing.
Folcard hates you, what can I say? ;)
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Thalmarkin is just full of nice guys :)
No thanks to me. It's all those damned Belgians. With their silly notions of pride and dignity. Fingolfin basically keeps Enzo on a leash.
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Folcard hates you, what can I say? ;)
Yeah, but Fleugs hates everybody.
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Yeah, but Fleugs hates everybody.
True.
But not enough to break treaties with all of them. ;)
Heck, he looks like he may even somewhat like Sint and Nothoi!
Old Grehk should be jealous. Rio finds Nothoi cooler than them!
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Folcard hates you, what can I say? ;)
Dunno why, never did anything to him :P
Still, it would be nice to know the IC reason/explanation for the deterioration in relations.
OG should be jealous? Maybe Rio is jealous because we are cooler than them 8)
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Thalmarkin is not full of nice guys :D Fingolfins & Lorgans coolness and niceness(? is that even a word :D?) is just so bright it keeps few rotten ugly greedy violent aggressive fellows hidden :P
-Jaune
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No thanks to me. It's all those damned Belgians. With their silly notions of pride and dignity. Fingolfin basically keeps Enzo on a leash.
What the heck, this is the second time you call me belgian here >:(
But yeah, I have lately been more bothered with internal politics than external... :)
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Yay for Belgians!
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We couldn't very well let Agyr get blighted now, could we? OO wouldn't let us hear the end of it. :)
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What the heck, this is the second time you call me belgian here >:(
But yeah, I have lately been more bothered with internal politics than external... :)
Would you prefer I call you Finnish? :-X
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Would you prefer I call you Finnish? :-X
:o Not at all. Russia stole Finland some 200 years ago, but we are getting them back sooner or later!
Anyway... Melhed seems to be starting to be a bit open with its neighbours finally. Not Thalmarkin of course, but the rest! And Ill just join in the chorus: Fingolfin is a jolly nice fellow!
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Yeah, you abandoned your great ally Finland and let Russkies conquer us... so a bit later we had to secede our cities from the Russian Empire and later we kicked Soviet Empires butt a bit when they thought they take back our wonderfull duchies!
Now be nice or we will invade your country! You have already disbanded almost all the militia and your mobile army is quite small too... and you have even teared down your RC's...
Then again, Finland is following and tearing down its RC's too... which sucks donkey balls!
-Jaune
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:o Not at all. Russia stole Finland some 200 years ago, but we are getting them back sooner or later!
Anyway... Melhed seems to be starting to be a bit open with its neighbours finally. Not Thalmarkin of course, but the rest! And Ill just join in the chorus: Fingolfin is a jolly nice fellow!
I'd certainly have Fingolfin over for drinks and laughs anytime, he has my vote ;)
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Melhed have a Brazilian. Nothing like the brave new world with a lot of beer and green things. 8)
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Thal have a Brazilian too :p
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Oh hell... we are all lost.
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But you also have at least one Briton. Which means that by now Thalmarkin should, by rights, have conquered a quarter of Battlemaster and rule all its oceans :p
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Thal have a Brazilian too :p
We should make a brazilian federation between Thalmarkin-Melhed-Nothoi. No one will stop us.
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We should make a brazilian federation between Thalmarkin-Melhed-Nothoi. No one will stop us.
Messi will. :P
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We should make a brazilian federation between Thalmarkin-Melhed-Nothoi. No one will stop us.
For now, Cat would rather fight Melhed till the end.
She have nothing against Nothoi though.
Nosferatus, are you back? :)
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For now, Cat would rather fight Melhed till the end.
She have nothing against Nothoi though.
Nosferatus, are you back? :)
That would defeat the point of being locked as a multi cheater.
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Nosferatus, are you back? :)
Yeah, and yeah i 'multi' cheated, as in i played another account for some time.
I like the game to much and had the time.
This was wrong and there for i rightfully had my account locked.
I deleted my account eventually and started a new one.
Damn taffer is right, once you multi cheat you lose your account.
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Yeah, and yeah i 'multi' cheated, as in i played another account for some time.
I like the game to much and had the time.
This was wrong and there for i rightfully had my account locked.
I deleted my account eventually and started a new one.
Damn taffer is right, once you multi cheat you lose your account.
Hard to call that bad, let alone cheating, IMO.
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started a new one.
This is what I wanted to know. To lose your account must be enough punishment.
Now time to move on. :)
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Hard to call that bad, let alone cheating, IMO.
Um...he "multi-cheated," as in he played 2 accounts at the same time for well over a year.
That's cheating. It's not the worst multicheating we've ever seen, certainly, but it's still multicheating, and it's completely forbidden.
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Um...he "multi-cheated," as in he played 2 accounts at the same time for well over a year.
That's cheating. It's not the worst multicheating we've ever seen, certainly, but it's still multicheating, and it's completely forbidden.
As a follow up: There is no "acceptable" level of cheating. If you resort to multiple accounts to extract some advantage, you have begun taking the game way too seriously. Maybe you're thinking of extreme circumstances. Like a war. Well, okay. You're at war. Lots of people are. If you're being beat by otherwise legitimate means (and statistically, you almost certainly are), you're being beat. Full stop. There is no legitimate reason to cheat.
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As a follow up: There is no "acceptable" level of cheating. If you resort to multiple accounts to extract some advantage, you have begun taking the game way too seriously. Maybe you're thinking of extreme circumstances. Like a war. Well, okay. You're at war. Lots of people are. If you're being beat by otherwise legitimate means (and statistically, you almost certainly are), you're being beat. Full stop. There is no legitimate reason to cheat.
From the sounds of it, he just wanted to be able to play more active characters, he wasn't using them in a power gaming fashion/as in not for advantages. Sure I guess that's still cheating but I feel no anger for wanting to experience more of BM. If I am wrong and he was using his character's to aid his other character's, then yes I am glad he was caught. Any form of multiing may be considered cheating but I would like to see someone try to tell me how multiple accounts, in and of itself, is bad when multiple characters is fine. Multiing is bad because most that multi, multi in the fashion Solari is talking about.
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Multiing, in any form, violates the Social Contract (the one you signed when you agreed to play, and the one you sign again and again if you multi) and the trust between players, supposedly playing as friends, that you're dealing with different entities behind different families.
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I agree with Vita.
You accept the social contract from the beginning for a reason.
This game surrounds alot around information and acquiring it, if you have more then one account you circumvent the normal ways of aquiring that information, which normally is social interaction.
You could strictly only play on continents where you don't have any characters yet, but then perhaps we make the line between what is right and what is wrong to weak, and hard to check for the devs.
Saying outright no against more then one account makes a clear line between what you can and what you can't do and allows the devs to more easly monitor it and act to undo it.
What i also noticed from playing two families at the same time is that you less intensively roleplay the both.
Because you can play so many characters you don't put as much time into roleplaying them individually as you normally would.
Now i am playing one noble and one adventurer which gives me much more motivation to roleplay more detailed.
Anaris, i didn't play that account for a year, i played it for a several months.
But it doesn't really matter, i shouldn't have done it.
Nor should anyone else.
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So.
Post-invasion politics.
Rio's ruler is facing a serious political challenge at home while Rio is going to war. Meanwhile, Rio's diplomacy has led Onamont Vellos to challenge Folcard to a death duel.
Will Folcard be able to survive these challenges to his political strength and physical survival? Only time will tell.