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BattleMaster => Locals => Atamara => Topic started by: Galvez on January 02, 2013, 04:08:03 PM
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I have been thinking about a religion to join. After some research this is my result:
Aristoi Atamarism - does it even has a God?
Darkanism - state religion of Darka
Evgenism - sate religion of Carelia, little content
The Hörgr of Makar - Norse inspired religion
Mapaxilism - does not name their Gods
The Order - does it even has a God?
The Way of the Hammer - Norse inspired religion
The Way of the Warrior Saints - sleeping God / too many saints
The Word - Hab-b, Guulnyztesantanib, Gnchha ect. (seriously?)
I do not want to follow a religion who does not venerate Gods. The Norse inspired religion are no option because I do not role-play my character as a Viking, instead a noble with hygiene and a natural feeling of superiority over barbarians. And we have the state-religions, however as I have no connection what so ever to either states, I will not join their religion.
Perhaps I am a little biased or my research not thoroughly, therefore if you can tell me something exciting about these religions, I may be persuaded to join it.
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Don't join any of them. Instead, found a branch of Quintarianism (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Quintarianism) on Atamara! ;D
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Don't join any of them. Instead, found a branch of Quintarianism (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Quintarianism) on Atamara! ;D
Bleurgh, that page makes me want to puke.
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The Norse inspired religion are no option because I do not role-play my character as a Viking, instead a noble with hygiene and a natural feeling of superiority over barbarians.
I have a character that acts like the standard nobles now, but the family is from the Barony so it's not really the same situation. I just wanted to point out that you don't necessarily have to be a Viking to join the Horgr, but it helps. (This character is still a Viking to some extent, but it only bubbles up every now and then.) A better reason for not joining it (right now, at least) is that it has a severe lack of priests and, as a result, real existence.
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Just join Darkanism. You know you want to :)
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Bleurgh, that page makes me want to puke.
OK, now that was just uncalled for. I'd be the last to claim I have any sort of artistic talent, or that the page is especially well-formatted or well-organized, but it's certainly a far cry from anything that could have warranted that. I don't care if you like the religion itself, or if it's something about the way the page is laid out that you object to, but that kind of comment is just beyond the pale.
I don't often do this, even with you, Dominic, but I'd like an apology.
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OK, now that was just uncalled for. I'd be the last to claim I have any sort of artistic talent, or that the page is especially well-formatted or well-organized, but it's certainly a far cry from anything that could have warranted that. I don't care if you like the religion itself, or if it's something about the way the page is laid out that you object to, but that kind of comment is just beyond the pale.
I don't often do this, even with you, Dominic, but I'd like an apology.
I'll give you this: it's not any worse than the vast majority of religion pages. It's even better than most.
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I have been thinking about a religion to join. After some research this is my result:
Just start the CoI again, should be fun;)
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I'll give you this: it's not any worse than the vast majority of religion pages. It's even better than most.
Well, it's a start.
I suppose I was being too optimistic to hope for an actual apology for such a gratuitous, unfounded, and egregious insult from you.
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Well, it's a start.
I suppose I was being too optimistic to hope for an actual apology for such a gratuitous, unfounded, and egregious insult from you.
I'd say the same for 95% of the religion pages. Heck, some of them my own, too.
Alright, it may not be THAT bad. I don't look at many religion pages anymore, I just checked yours in case I had to join it, and found it quite unappealing. But as I said, I find almost all religions very unappealing, including some I am or were part of, and some I was or am an elder of. Just feels to me like religions should be worth more effort than we usually give them.
This also applies to realm pages.
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I'd say the same for 95% of the religion pages. Heck, some of them my own, too.
Alright, it may not be THAT bad. I don't look at many religion pages anymore, I just checked yours in case I had to join it, and found it quite unappealing. But as I said, I find almost all religions very unappealing, including some I am or were part of, and some I was or am an elder of. Just feels to me like religions should be worth more effort than we usually give them.
This also applies to realm pages.
It...looks like a Wiki page. I'm not sure what kind of Great Art you're expecting. It's not like it looks like some '90s-era Geocities page or something. Indeed, I find that it takes serious work to make a Mediawiki page actually look bad, and not merely "not that good". Perhaps, O mighty arbiter of all aesthetic goodness, you could shower upon us your matchless wisdom and point to some pages that are good?
And you still haven't apologized. I haven't forgotten that, nor will I.
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It...looks like a Wiki page. I'm not sure what kind of Great Art you're expecting. It's not like it looks like some '90s-era Geocities page or something. Indeed, I find that it takes serious work to make a Mediawiki page actually look bad, and not merely "not that good". Perhaps, O mighty arbiter of all aesthetic goodness, you could shower upon us your matchless wisdom and point to some pages that are good?
And you still haven't apologized. I haven't forgotten that, nor will I.
I apologize for the wording I used, but I still think it is unappealing. Visual-wise, but also content-wise. To me, at least.
Better pages? Better pages have more text, and more than just text. Torenism's page, for example, despite how I hated these guys. The Blood Cult, which I essentially made myself, I admit (and the only religion page I personally worked on that I consider good). Ain't perfect, though, either. Sanguis Astroism isn't all that bad, but could be better. A handful of others that I remember the layout but not the page. A good wiki page shouldn't just be text, otherwise it feels and looks like notepad. It needs images, tables, charts, diagrams, maps, etc. The more the better. And preferably, it wouldn't be pictures just for the sake of it. They need to relate to the text, they need to complement it by being something that words cannot fully describe on their own.
The same applies to realm pages.
But hey, it's also a matter of personal tastes. Some people feel sick at the thought of joining yet another Norse mythology rip-off, while some players couldn't pray for better. There's just something about your faith that's unappealing to me, in addition to not having much content (all religions start like that) and having a rather plain wiki page (all pages start like that). But that's just a matter of preferences.
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I'll stop by to plug The Word (bias alert). It is a multi-realm religion with well-established theology and an interesting history. It's also been growing pretty steadily in terms of noble followers over the last months. Stop by a temple and find out more!
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I apologize for the wording I used,
Thank you. I won't forget that, either. :)
but I still think it is unappealing. Visual-wise, but also content-wise. To me, at least.
That, I don't find offensive. I don't disagree at all that the page needs work. I'm just...really terrible about putting in work on Wiki pages. (And about actually being able to make things that look good all by myself. I did mention that I don't have any artistic talent, and that includes design/layout.)
I do plan to put more stuff there, and if there's some information that warrants a table, I'll put in a table. If someone makes some images that are relevant and don't look like they were drawn by, well, me, I'll try to find a sensible way to work them in. Right now, though, what you see is what we got. (Aside from the stuff that's still waiting in our heads to be properly organized and written down....)
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I'll stop by to plug The Word (bias alert). It is a multi-realm religion with well-established theology and an interesting history. It's also been growing pretty steadily in terms of noble followers over the last months. Stop by a temple and find out more!
Thank you for the first relevant answer. However it is not like I can make a small detour to one of your temples.
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If it helps, the Church of Sartan will be arriving in Atamara in approximately one to two weeks.
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I have been thinking about a religion to join. After some research this is my result:
Evgenism - state religion of Carelia, little content
Evgenism, no official support, nor is a lot of Carelia a part of the religion. Also, you clarify it as state religion but it is in progress on changing that, which you could be a part of if you joined. All active members will receive power in the religion and currently the most talkative of the week gets 25 gold. We have temples in CE, Caergoth, and obviously Carelia so don't think you must travel to Carelia to join.
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If it helps, the Church of Sartan will be arriving in Atamara in approximately one to two weeks.
It is? Not through official support by the Elders then at least...
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Thank you for the first relevant answer. However it is not like I can make a small detour to one of your temples.
Then come and make a pilgrimage to one of them! I'm not sure what else to say. There are temples as far South as Strombran and also temples in the east as well as in Talerium and CE.
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I don't know about the other Norse religions, but you don't have to play your character as a Viking to be a member of The Way of the Hammer. My character on Atamara (who's been in Eston, Coria, Caergoth, and Suville) has never been played as a Viking but still follows the Hammer. He also thinks that the Vikings of Maker are sub-human filth. In fact, I'd be hard pressed to think of anyone I've seen writing within the Hammer channel who plays a blood and guts, flea-infested, Viking barbarian.
In terms of Gods to worship, there's a considerable amount of potential there because you have an extensive pantheon of gods to choose from if you're looking for a patron god, or worship them all, or the all-father Odin. There's a ton of RP potential there.
The downside is that it's suffering from a major shortage of priests, which very nearly led to its collapse. It could also use stronger RP within it to make it more substantial.
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I have a character that acts like the standard nobles now, but the family is from the Barony so it's not really the same situation. I just wanted to point out that you don't necessarily have to be a Viking to join the Horgr, but it helps. (This character is still a Viking to some extent, but it only bubbles up every now and then.) A better reason for not joining it (right now, at least) is that it has a severe lack of priests and, as a result, real existence.
And you don't have to be a drunkard to be a Viking, but it helps. ;D
I'll give a plug for The WORD as well. And if you make fun of our silly names IC, we'll declare you a heathen blasphemer and go after you. >:(
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The Order believes that order in and of itself is like a god. Preserving order throughout the land and opposing forces of chaos (antithesis of order) is their purpose. They believe that there are evil "gods" which they oppose such as the chaos manifestation of Magna Serpanism's diety.
So, it is not like a conventional religion but it is also very large and has a very stable power base. While it hosts no official theocracies it has a long tradition of power and strength within the CE alliance and her allies, which has granted it much growth and strength.
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It is? Not through official support by the Elders then at least...
As it happens it will be a current elder of the Church who will bring it to Atamara - she's decided it's going to be her retirement project ;)
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In that Case Selene is acting on her own without any official support from the church hehe. Rogue church, should be fun.
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Well she'll probably ask permission before she goes. Or, given that she's still technically the High Priest until the new one is elected, she could always give herself permission :p
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I predict the the faith on BT will last long enough to announce that it exists before Selene goes ballistic, insults someone, and gets wiped out.
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I predict the the faith on BT will last long enough to announce that it exists before Selene goes ballistic, insults someone, and gets wiped out.
Eh? She's not going to BT. She's going to Atamara. Hence why this is being discussed on the Atamara board :p
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Same result, different abbreviation.
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If it helps, the Church of Sartan will be arriving in Atamara in approximately one to two weeks.
That certainly helps.
Then come and make a pilgrimage to one of them! I'm not sure what else to say. There are temples as far South as Strombran and also temples in the east as well as in Talerium and CE.
At the moment that won't be possible. Lucius is a noble of Minas Leon, and the marshal in its war against Minas Ithil.
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Religions and particularly those who have some power in multiple realm could give a lot to Atamara. Currently Atamara is divided in couple of factions but religions could make a bit of mess. Sad part is that the game has maked priest class quite useless.,temple effects are way too small etc.
As we don't have any political parties one way to make a bit more mess is to use religions as they were main agressors in our own history in the past.
So any new religion which is arriving to Atamara is wellcomed but until game mechanics allow us to do a bit more it won't matter much.
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I'll plug in for the Word seeing as I founded it...
silly names? sure. but i think it's more fun. and its not like you can't have your own names for them or just say "God of X" as for Lucius joining The Word the holy leader was there not too long ago but left due to bleak prospects.
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Don't join any of them. Instead, found a branch of Quintarianism (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Quintarianism) on Atamara! ;D
I don't know which I want to do yet but could I use parts of it for a different religion or possibly make the religion but modify it?
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I don't know which I want to do yet but could I use parts of it for a different religion or possibly make the religion but modify it?
Well, I obviously can't stop you, but I'd prefer if you didn't. I'd be happy to discuss the details of it with you—you've come on IRC (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/IRC) before, right?
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The Word - Hab-b, Guulnyztesantanib, Gnchha ect. (seriously?)
Hab-b, eh? I recall a friendly noble of the Ash Sea Islands called Habab. Eventually he departed for Talerium on good terms and I remember he got heavily involved with the Word. I don't know whether he was a founder or just someone who joined in, but it's interesting to see how his name lives on! (Although maybe he's still around? It's been a while since I was active on Atamara...)
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Well, I obviously can't stop you, but I'd prefer if you didn't. I'd be happy to discuss the details of it with you—you've come on IRC (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/IRC) before, right?
I am on now if you feel like talking about it now.
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Is Magma Serpaentism, or w/e it was called still around?
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Is Magma Serpaentism, or w/e it was called still around?
It still has several followers but it no longer is officially around.
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Is Magma Serpaentism, or w/e it was called still around?
Yes, they are still around in Carelia, hiding and waiting for an opportunity to attack those who destroyed them. Who knows what they have become...
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The Way of the Warrior Saints - sleeping God / too many saints
It's awesome.
The Way has seen a lot of sedentary leadership in the past. It started out very dynamic, then settled down to a life of tolerance and moderation– I've been pushing for a more exciting approach for a while. Eston's impending defeat may just supply the impetus.
Point is– the proliferation of Saints are what make it fun. Make up a semi-nonsensical quote, stick it on a Saint, call it scripture and BAM! It's like an open source Bible right now. So there's all kinds of contradictory opinions and beliefs about what the Way even is.
But yeah, it is an odd religion in that its whole goal is to prevent God from noticing them.
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And Galvez joined the Way. I win!
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And Galvez joined the Way. I win!
Boo!
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And Galvez joined the Way. I win!
The Way is easily accessible, and I want to explore why you think it is so awesome.
However -1 for its tolerance. Almost all other religion are either ignored or they are a variant. Not good.
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However -1 for its tolerance. Almost all other religion are either ignored or they are a variant. Not good.
Like I said– the Way had an exciting start. Then it became too state-religiony. As you probably saw from my intro message, I'm working on giving it a bit of spice.
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Like I said– the Way had an exciting start. Then it became too state-religiony. As you probably saw from my intro message, I'm working on giving it a bit of spice.
Depending on the what happens with Kerwin in the coming days/weeks maybe taking up the priesthood would be a very appropriate direction for his life?
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Depending on the what happens with Kerwin in the coming days/weeks maybe taking up the priesthood would be a very appropriate direction for his life?
Oooo... fun RP: "disgraced king becomes itinerant priest."
We could Saint you when you die....
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The Way is easily accessible, and I want to explore why you think it is so awesome.
However -1 for its tolerance. Almost all other religion are either ignored or they are a variant. Not good.
What happened with you waiting for the Church of Sartan? :P
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What happened with you waiting for the Church of Sartan? :P
People just aren't patient.
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What happened with you waiting for the Church of Sartan? :P
I never promised anything. ;)
But we shall see, if I like it here I might stay, otherwise if the Church of Sartan is founded anywhere close, I might convert. Time will tell.
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The Church of Sartan has officially arrived in Atamara!
Selene is now in Cagil and recruiting souls willing to embrace the true faith and escape eternal damnation. Interested applicants should apply to Selene immediately. Darkans need not apply ;)
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Pfft... as if we would *want* to join your boring religion with your puny godling. We've got a *volcano* to worship!
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The Church of Sartan has officially arrived in Atamara!
Selene is now in Cagil and recruiting souls willing to embrace the true faith and escape eternal damnation. Interested applicants should apply to Selene immediately. Darkans need not apply ;)
I would join that in an instant, except that your founding in Cagil which makes me greatly hesitate. Any other realm and I would be there as fast as I could but I don't know anymore.
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I would join that in an instant, except that your founding in Cagil which makes me greatly hesitate. Any other realm and I would be there as fast as I could but I don't know anymore.
Well the notion was that they were the most powerful realm and would therefore be great warriors and eagerly embrace Sartan. As it is they turn out to seem to prefer the Order and the Word which say nothing and believe in nothing so Selene might end up moving :p
Anywhere you'd recommend as a good place to relocate to? ;)
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Perhaps relocate to Eston territory.
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Corian territory should be fun, as long as you make it so not to make anything impossible politically...
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Well the notion was that they were the most powerful realm and would therefore be great warriors and eagerly embrace Sartan. As it is they turn out to seem to prefer the Order and the Word which say nothing and believe in nothing so Selene might end up moving :p
Anywhere you'd recommend as a good place to relocate to? ;)
And there lies your problem: assuming the religions on atamara are dead. Only took a couple hours before the word had you dealt with no? Welcome to atamara ;)
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Well clearly they're still active - they just lack any beliefs or determination to do anything to make the game interesting ;)
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Well clearly they're still active - they just lack any beliefs or determination to do anything to make the game interesting ;)
Amen
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Well clearly they're still active - they just lack any beliefs or determination to do anything to make the game interesting ;)
that's pretty insulting. the word has definitely had its moments. we nearly brought talerium and eston to war years ago because they assassinated a priest in nazia. we were nearly wiped out by the talerium government after losing favour. we supplanted the order's stranglehold through sheer attrition.
yes, atamara is notoriously apathetic to religion but to say that the religions themselves lack beliefs or determination to propagate is insulting to everyone who has worked on them.
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that's pretty insulting. the word has definitely had its moments. we nearly brought talerium and eston to war years ago because they assassinated a priest in nazia. we were nearly wiped out by the talerium government after losing favour. we supplanted the order's stranglehold through sheer attrition.
yes, atamara is notoriously apathetic to religion but to say that the religions themselves lack beliefs or determination to propagate is insulting to everyone who has worked on them.
Sorry if I've been offensive - I was just going on my own recollections of what it was like playing on Atamara. The only religion I saw which actively drove conflict in my time on AT was MS. Which was probably why it got wiped out. Nonetheless, it did keep things interesting.
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King looking for religion to kick neighbor's ass with,
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You could join the Way of the Warrior Saints and try to get the Elders to kick out those who break their oaths.
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Heh, good luck with that when one of the elders is a member of the court of one of those oath-breaking realms. :P
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King looking for religion to kick neighbor's ass with,
Our asses are sitting very comfortable right now. No religion can safe you.