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BattleMaster => Locals => South Island => Topic started by: Indirik on June 18, 2014, 10:58:11 PM
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Or are *all* of the SI realms imploding due to internal strife, massive egos, and tough guys who insist on death duels every time someone crosses their eyes? ::)
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Well, Taselak has the second and third of those, but not so much the first at the moment.
Taselak ftw!
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I got fedup about Ikalak pretty fast and created new char to Taselak. It seems nice, but not totally happy about it either. Too complicated :P But atleast not that much angry grunting to each other.
But so far i have love it. I had a bit too big hopes about Ikalak, it just was not what i expected. There was awesome roster of players but somehow everything blew up. Then when i arriwed to Sandalak, simply harmony about the rulership and common goal was enough to make me happy and stay :)
What i still wait from this island is awesome manouvres and stunts. Gotta love the masses of nobles everywhere.
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Since Fen'Harel was a driving force behind most of the infighting in Taselak and now he is in Sandalak, expect a lot of steam. Now who gets the worse of it is yet to be seen. :P
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Having so many active, strong-willed players all together in the same realm can really make things crazy. It's really going to take a while for things to settle down.
What's really funny is all the players who have only played for two or three years suddenly getting more messages than ever before. "40 messages every time I log on? Stop sending so many messages, there's no way I can keep up with this!" There were times back in '06/'07 that you'd get 40 messages within about 5 minutes of a turn change. It wasn't uncommon to get 200-300 messages a turn.
And remember that 600+ character tournament on AT? Ack! O_o
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Since Fen'Harel was a driving force behind most of the infighting in Taselak and now he is in Sandalak, expect a lot of steam. Now who gets the worse of it is yet to be seen. :P
Give em hell :D
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Yeah, when i joined Ikalak, i was hoping to see similar strategy discussion and toying around with ideas and strategies etc. like it was Darkan times 04-06 or so... few dozen people sitting at irc and waiting turn to run, then analyzing battle reports screaming scoutings, toying around with options... clock was ticking and orders needed to get out as soon as possible.... Then orders maximun 2 hours after turn change :)
That was what i expected... got horrible flame wars IC & OOC... too much for old man like me :P
I hope Ikalak gets its pack together, there is huge potential there. Not to say others would be any worse, i just dont know others as well as i know many Ikala players.
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Since Fen'Harel was a driving force behind most of the infighting in Taselak and now he is in Sandalak, expect a lot of steam. Now who gets the worse of it is yet to be seen. :P
Hoh-oooo don't think so highly of yourself. The reason there is so much bickering and ego cock measuring is because every nob in the game has come to the WAUGH ISLAND to prove their experience as General/Leader of a realm made them better at the game than everyone else.
Then you have those guys who are absolute bros and broesses who came here for a good time. But they aren't the ones who ran election campaigns.
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Hoh-oooo don't think so highly of yourself. The reason there is so much bickering and ego cock measuring is because every nob in the game has come to the WAUGH ISLAND to prove their experience as General/Leader of a realm made them better at the game than everyone else.
Then you have those guys who are absolute bros and broesses who came here for a good time. But they aren't the ones who ran election campaigns.
Nope not me. Wanted to try something out on the new island since I couldn't on other islands and it turned out to be a very hard thing to execute properly :o But I haven't given up!
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You need better marshals, that's why. You got clogged up with people wanting the position for the prestige, instead of for the flexibility.
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You need better marshals, that's why. You got clogged up with people wanting the position for the prestige, instead of for the flexibility.
This. And a lot of other this'es, up above (especially jaune's) :p
I had assumed most of the people coming forward were those who had played Tom's other War Islands game a lot, and had something to prove as strategists. Seems not at all - they all think this is just one of the other islands.
I suspect this first war will go quickly, and then after the reset things will get back to the old style War Islands we remember.
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Hoh-oooo don't think so highly of yourself. The reason there is so much bickering and ego cock measuring is because every nob in the game has come to the WAUGH ISLAND to prove their experience as General/Leader of a realm made them better at the game than everyone else.
Then you have those guys who are absolute bros and broesses who came here for a good time. But they aren't the ones who ran election campaigns.
Sounds to me like sadness over not getting elected :P
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You need better marshals, that's why. You got clogged up with people wanting the position for the prestige, instead of for the flexibility.
Yep. The problem is I can't seem to get any better ones. Either they are too focused on their other islands, or they are just very shy. We only had 5 candidates and they all got the positions they wanted. Some of them seem to fail quite hard though. Also, some marshals don't agree with each other due to their difference in playstyle. A lot to work on...
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I know you at least had 6 candidates available.
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I know you at least had 6 candidates available.
Nope 5. There was a guy who said he could marshal but preferred VM.
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Sounds to me like sadness over not getting elected :P
I actually love our Queen and am happy she got elected.
But man, I've been in politics for long enough.
-long hardboiled sip of whiskey-
Too long.
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Nope 5. There was a guy who said he could marshal but preferred VM.
That's exactly the guy you want as marshal. Confident enough to be there to take the position, but not actually wanting it out of ambition.
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That's exactly the guy you want as marshal. Confident enough to be there to take the position, but not actually wanting it out of ambition.
If you're referring to me here, please don't make me Marshal, I'm barely active enough to warrant a VM position :p
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If you're referring to me here, please don't make me Marshal, I'm barely active enough to warrant a VM position :p
Yeah, I've been considering that.
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Nope 5. There was a guy who said he could marshal but preferred VM.
According to my notes, I had at least 10 volunteers for Marshal/VM. Six only wanted, or preferred, VM spots. I had 4 armies to staff, so 8 positions. Then a couple people left. So everyone who volunteered for a position has one.
At this point, it hasn't been long enough to really tell how things are going to go. Everyone in the military council *wants* to cooperate and work together. So much so that no one is being assertive and taking charge. Everyone comes up with an idea and says "Should we do this?" And the no one says "Yeah, let's do it!" So, lots of ideas, but no one making the final call. That's where we need to get better.
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Everyone comes up with an idea and says "Should we do this?" And the no one says "Yeah, let's do it!" So, lots of ideas, but no one making the final call. That's where we need to get better.
Shouldn't that be the role of the general? I think the amount of work needed to organize and run our large complicated structure has been vastly underestimated. I'm not sure our current general is up to the task. But then, it may be an impossible task for anyone.
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That really depends on what is being discussed. If the question is "what region do we take next" then sure, it's the general. But "what formation should we use" is the marshal's call.
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Or are *all* of the SI realms imploding due to internal strife, massive egos, and tough guys who insist on death duels every time someone crosses their eyes? ::)
I was enjoying it very much until some people started spilling it OOC. :-\
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IMO, the role of the general is to manage all of the armies. In most realms, where there's only 1-2 armies, that means very little and they usually end up stuck doing diplomatic work with other generals instead or, if there's no alliances in place to take advantage of that, basically taking over as a Super Marshal. "Go here." "Do this." etc. - with the marshal just picking a formation to fight in, or assigning line settings as given to him by the general. What the general does in a realm with multiple armies is, IMO - again, organize. He orders armies to one sphere or another (not necessarily specific regions, but target areas) and gives them general orders - to raid, to be aggressive, to seek out the enemy army, to lay ambushes, etc. He determines who refits, and the roles of each army, but leaves the specifics up to each marshal.
The marshal, in turn, must be proactive and aggressive. They must be capable of taking these broad orders and - with a large degree of autonomy - going out there and accomplishing them. If they're told to raid in X duchy, they should plan with their vice-marshal and then go and do that, splitting their own army or not as needed. If they need to join up with another friendly army assigned to their target area to defeat or defend against a larger force, then they should do that immediately without needing to wait for the general's say so.
The general is a staff officer. They assign broad targets, and receive reports on effectiveness and accomplishment from their marshals, replacing and promoting as needed.
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I want you as my general!
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Nope 5. There was a guy who said he could marshal but preferred VM.
Oh... ::)
IMO, the role of the general is to manage all of the armies. In most realms, where there's only 1-2 armies, that means very little and they usually end up stuck doing diplomatic work with other generals instead or, if there's no alliances in place to take advantage of that, basically taking over as a Super Marshal. "Go here." "Do this." etc. - with the marshal just picking a formation to fight in, or assigning line settings as given to him by the general. What the general does in a realm with multiple armies is, IMO - again, organize. He orders armies to one sphere or another (not necessarily specific regions, but target areas) and gives them general orders - to raid, to be aggressive, to seek out the enemy army, to lay ambushes, etc. He determines who refits, and the roles of each army, but leaves the specifics up to each marshal.
The marshal, in turn, must be proactive and aggressive. They must be capable of taking these broad orders and - with a large degree of autonomy - going out there and accomplishing them. If they're told to raid in X duchy, they should plan with their vice-marshal and then go and do that, splitting their own army or not as needed. If they need to join up with another friendly army assigned to their target area to defeat or defend against a larger force, then they should do that immediately without needing to wait for the general's say so.
The general is a staff officer. They assign broad targets, and receive reports on effectiveness and accomplishment from their marshals, replacing and promoting as needed.
Yeah, that is the role of General, spelled out loud and clear. So when you want sign on dotted line for General position? ;)
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I've been the general in that position before. It's fun, but it's not... nearly as fun as being a marshal. So if I have a choice, I think for now I'd love to be a marshal again. But hey, if people need generals, why not?
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I've been the general in that position before. It's fun, but it's not... nearly as fun as being a marshal. So if I have a choice, I think for now I'd love to be a marshal again. But hey, if people need generals, why not?
Your style of being a general is not a common one unfortunately. I believe thats the way the general should be too, and the best example I have seen of it is Enzo Solari in Thalmarkin.
Personally I feel like too many don't understand the proper roles: General is strategy, Marshal is tactics. General gives broad orders to work on the bigger picture while Marshals deal with the details.
Too often I see the General giving out orders constantly, basically just being the realm's marshals except they maybe send the orders to the Marshals who then send it to the armies. With more than 1 army it can start to lead to burnout as the General and regardless of the number of armies, it makes the Marshal position suck because you aren't actually commanding your army, you are at best a parrot instead of a commander.
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This has been a problem for years, though. I think we even once tried out getting rid of the ability for Generals to send orders to Marshals at all (or something similar), to encourage the idea above, but it didn't work out.
(We also tried getting rid of red papers completely, but that was for different reasons)
I consider the General role to be even more than what was outlined above - real war is won through logistics, and a General should be concerned with enough food, provisioning stations, treaties to refit in key cities, good RCs, checking the lords are keeping the militia up to scratch - plus all the things above. Played right, he doesn't have time to give orders every turn.
It's a role for a detail-oriented person
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The general can only play the strategic role if there are people capable of being, and willing to be, marshal. Marshal is one of the hardest positions to fill with competent people.
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Your style of being a general is not a common one unfortunately. I believe thats the way the general should be too, and the best example I have seen of it is Enzo Solari in Thalmarkin.
Personally I feel like too many don't understand the proper roles: General is strategy, Marshal is tactics. General gives broad orders to work on the bigger picture while Marshals deal with the details.
Too often I see the General giving out orders constantly, basically just being the realm's marshals except they maybe send the orders to the Marshals who then send it to the armies. With more than 1 army it can start to lead to burnout as the General and regardless of the number of armies, it makes the Marshal position suck because you aren't actually commanding your army, you are at best a parrot instead of a commander.
Even worse than this are realms where the ruler takes on the job and issues orders all the time - leaving the general, the marshal and the vice marshal completely irrelevant - like in AA :p
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Even worse than this are realms where the ruler takes on the job and issues orders all the time - leaving the general, the marshal and the vice marshal completely irrelevant - like in AA :p
Sometimes that is a must, cause General keeps disappearing and doesnt read messages :P
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Even worse than this are realms where the ruler takes on the job and issues orders all the time - leaving the general, the marshal and the vice marshal completely irrelevant - like in AA :p
When the General sucks someone has to do the job.
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The general can only play the strategic role if there are people capable of being, and willing to be, marshal. Marshal is one of the hardest positions to fill with competent people.
This. And trust me, although some people think they are capable but usually the most incapable ones are the ones who think they are really competent...
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/me keeps thinking about the guy who is convinced he could do more if the entire realm were under his command in a single army ... :-X
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Marshals are just a way to hamstring generals, who do all the work for nothing while the dukes cause trouble to vent their RL pathologies.
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This. And trust me, although some people think they are capable but usually the most incapable ones are the ones who think they are really competent...
Aye. I can think of a few who harp on about tactics and strategy, telling everyone how to run it all. But then when they're appointed to a Military position, that means they're on a one-strike philosophy. As soon as they make a mistake, boom. Not so perfect anymore, hm? ;D
But anyway, I gave up my Marshal position on EC because I felt that I just didn't understand enough to be effective, even after a couple years of doing it. Plus the position is redundant bar formations because the General (or indeed, a General for an alliance of realms) is handing out the orders. On SI, the stakes are somewhat higher and I just want to relax for a change, maybe actually get the chance to do some stabby-stabby unlike all the other toons who are usually on extended military deployment.