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Community => Other Games => Topic started by: Arundel on March 22, 2013, 08:57:28 PM
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Yes, I hijacked the last thread. So what?
Come one, come all to this incredibly awesome CK2 multiplayer bonanza!
Post your choice of realm/duchy/county, and what times you'll be available to play (if you already know.) I was thinking of starting this up as soon as possible, on a weekend preferably (?).
Concerning timezones, if there is a significant number of players in one timezone, we'll probably favor said timezone, dropping a few players in the process. We have to be able to play the game more than once a month.
Rules: No direct assassinations on other players. Only moderate use of the murder plot is allowed when trying to kill a PC. If you're unsure whether or not someone is a player, ask. We'll most likely pop an IRC channel up for this, although I believe you can type to one another in game. You can chose to be close or far away from others. You can be a vassal to another player or you can be their ruler. The choices are somewhat limitless!
I'll be choosing the Kingdom of Denmark as my realm.
List of Players:
Arundel (GMT -6): Denmark. Flexible hours. Seeing as I'll probably host on the meta server, I'll be available. Warning: Mid-April (10-25) I'll be unavailable: I've got finals then.
LGMAlpha (GMT -5): Toulouse.
Norrel (GMT -7): Irish Count Somewhere
Solari: Venice or Lombardy
Revan (GMT +0): Duchy of Apulia
Silverfire (GMT -5): Duchy of Barcelona or Doux of Adrianopolis
EDIT: I play with Sword of Islam and Legacy of Rome DLC's. I do believe, should anyone have the Republic as well or no DLC's, we can still play.
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+1 for Duchy of Toulouse. Timezone EST(GMT-5)
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+1 Count of some Irish county
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+1 for either the Most Serene Republic of Venice or Duke of Lombary. I am unsure as to which yet.
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I'm intrigued to see what CK2 is like in multiplayer so I'll give this a go.
Duchy of Apulia, GMT+0
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GMT -5
Duchy of Barcelona or Doux of Adrianopolis (Depending upon what DLC we use)
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Ruler Designer or no Ruler Designer?
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Ruler designer, but then again I don't think it matters.
Edit: Unless you're talking about rules. I say sure.
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GMT + 8 till April 25th. GMT +1 afterwards. I will have limited availability till the April 25th though, so don't try to do anything around me. Just set a date, and I'll see if I can join in, if you don't mind.
Duke of Greater Poland. Never played in that region before.
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Ruler designer, but then again I don't think it matters.
Edit: Unless you're talking about rules. I say sure.
Yes, as in are we allowed to use it? I almost always play with it, because I don't want to get in game and realize my guy is incompetent at everything when I start. Mainly, I just want to make sure I start with lvl 4 education, so I don't just die due to rebels or some stupid thing.
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Yes, as in are we allowed to use it? I almost always play with it, because I don't want to get in game and realize my guy is incompetent at everything when I start. Mainly, I just want to make sure I start with lvl 4 education, so I don't just die due to rebels or some stupid thing.
Of course. I'll be using it.
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You cheating bastards
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Yeah. Isn't CK2 all about surviving even though all your heirs are incompetent and trying to kill you? :-)
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Yeah, I'd vote for no Ruler Designer, but I might not be playing. Personally, I don't even let my character train any of my Son or Daughters just to avoid being able to finegroom him too easily, or make it dependent on my traits what I decide.
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Yeah, I'd vote for no Ruler Designer, but I might not be playing. Personally, I don't even let my character train any of my Son or Daughters just to avoid being able to finegroom him too easily, or make it dependent on my traits what I decide.
That is kind of the point of the entire succession game. It's a medieval eugenics simulator.
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I'd prefer no ruler designer, but it doesn't really matter to me.
Fate is cruel when striking the genetic lottery. My strong genius midas touched heir, was a woman who did not ascend the throne until her 60th year. To her, three daughters were born. The first was slow, the second a dwarf, but the third was born a genius like her mother. I'd like to tell you that the third daughter was elected Queen upon her mother's death, but I am not a peddler of lies. The genius was brought low by an assassin, who had been hired by the envious dwarf. So ended the main line of House Yngling of Denmark.
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If this game was intended as a direct competition between each other, I could see an argument for disallowing ruler designer. However, as far as I am aware, the idea isn't to just beat the other players. Therefore, if I use ruler designer, it doesn't negatively impact player A and player B in anyway. It just means that I get to have a game experience that I'd like more.
If player A wants to use ruler designer, but player B doesn't, they can each choose that path. I don't see anything wrong with such a distinction. It only really makes any difference for your first character anyway. The second and third generations will be much more random. Plus, Ruler designer has a distinct disadvantage: When you use it, you lose your in-game claims beyond your starting titles. This is one reason that I WANT to use it. Mainly because if I were to play Doux of Adrianopolis, it would be way to easy for me to become Basilus of the Byzantine empire because I'm the Emperor's first son. I'd much rather, have to work into that position while still playing a decently strong duke in the empire.
Finally, with ruler designer you can name your dynasty which is always nice in a multiplayer game.
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I don't mind ruler designer being allowed either. It'd be good fun to see House Osha take over the Mediterranean! In fact, on that note, do checksums have to match up for people to play in multiplayer games? Mine hasn't been right ever since I wiped all my ruler designer rules >.<
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I don't mind ruler designer being allowed either. It'd be good fun to see House Osha take over the Mediterranean! In fact, on that note, do checksums have to match up for people to play in multiplayer games? Mine hasn't been right ever since I wiped all my ruler designer rules >.<
Yes, the checksums must be the same.
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Yeah, I'd vote for no Ruler Designer, but I might not be playing. Personally, I don't even let my character train any of my Son or Daughters just to avoid being able to finegroom him too easily, or make it dependent on my traits what I decide.
You know, if we played a multiplayer game with the GoT mod, this wouldn't be a problem! It's enticing, no?
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You know, if we played a multiplayer game with the GoT mod, this wouldn't be a problem! It's enticing, no?
I vote aye. Dibs on House Manderly.
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Eh, I'd be out. I never really got into the GoT mod, but then again, my availability is limited as said, so please don't take too much value on that (Be pointless if you set up something with me in mind and then I can't come).
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Seeing as finals are coming up, I don't really see myself able to play for more than a few days before committing to the grind. Does anyone have anything against playing at the beginning of May? I'll post a reminder towards the end of April, so we can plan a more precise day.
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I would love to give this a try.
I'm GMT -5 (thought may be GMT -5) by the time I can play.
I have Thesis Defense coming up so probably won't be to available until after second week of May.
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Drat, I'd love to do this, but won't have time.
I'd totally be the Byzantines. Nothing more fun that fighting off hordes of heathens and pagans while wrangling with fractious and embittered vassals.
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I just got this the other day and am having a lot of fun with it. After a really slow start (started out as a Count, so couldn't expand my territory through inviting claimants and there were no frigging noblewomen in the whole of Ireland to marry/marry off and get claims that way), I'm finally in a position where I can create the Kingdom of Ireland (just need the gold). I particularly liked creating a plot to assassinate a Count (he hated me because I'd usurped his Duchy - understandable, really) so his far-more-open-to-being-my-vassal heir could take over.
First: Ireland. Next: Brittania!
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Dibs on King of Leon.
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Slightly off topic, but I have a question about the way inheritance of titles works in CK2.
My character is King of Ireland. I have a half-brother who is Duke of Leinster (an Irish duchy), and also King of Galecia from (patrilineal) marriage to the Queen. His heir is heir to both Galecia and Leinster.
My question is, what will happen when my half-brother (or his wife) dies? Will his heir now be my vassal, bringing the Kingdom of Galecia into my realm? Or will the Duchy of Leinster leave my realm and join Galecia? Or will something else happen entirely?
Edit: Nevermind, answered my own question with some experimentation. The Duchy of Leinster joins Galecia when my half-brother dies. The question is why - perhaps because the Kingdom of Ireland and the Kingdom of Galecia are on equivalent levels, and one King can't be a vassal of another? I wonder if it would be different were I Emperor of Brittania. Then I could have vassal Kings.
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Edit: Nevermind, answered my own question with some experimentation. The Duchy of Leinster joins Galecia when my half-brother dies. The question is why - perhaps because the Kingdom of Ireland and the Kingdom of Galecia are on equivalent levels, and one King can't be a vassal of another? I wonder if it would be different were I Emperor of Brittania. Then I could have vassal Kings.
Correct.
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What do the King of Leon and the King of Scotland have in common? In my game its this: they're the same person. :p I started as King of Leon, and murdered my brothers to become King of Galecia and King of Castille. I married a Princess of Scotland, then died after having a single son. So I press my weak claim on the Kingdom of Scotland, hire up a ton of mercs and raise my levies. My 7000 man army went ahead and crushed scotland, and my mother became Queen. So I killed her. Then immediately put down a damn civil war. And now Muslims are getting uppity again!
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Stabbity...you are great.
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You know what the problem with Scotland is?
Its full of Scots.
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Alright, now I'm baffled. I'm a King and had a kinsman of my dynasty married to a woman with a strong claim on a particular duchy. They had a kid, also of my dynasty. I pushed the woman's claim to the duchy and won it. I made the kid my vassal by making him Mayor of a city. When the mother died, instead of the duchy joining my realm, the city left it. I don't get it.
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The kid was not a direct vassal of yours, he was a vassal of one of your lords. He inherited a duchy, making him higher than his 1st-order liege, making him independent.
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Ah, I see, thanks. So if I gave the kid a county in a duchy I was Duke of (or a county not part of an existing duchy), he'd become my direct vassal and the inherited duchy would join my realm?
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Yes. You generally want to save before doing any sort of allegiance or inheritance shenanigans, though, because they tend to go very awry very quickly.
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Giving him a county in my duchy didn't work. I had to actually give him an entire duchy before he stayed in my realm when his mother died.
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Giving him a county in my duchy didn't work. I had to actually give him an entire duchy before he stayed in my realm when his mother died.
Oh yeah. Sorry about that. He wasn't a vassal to Velax the King, he was a vassal to Velax the Duke. When he became a duke, he was equivalent to his liege, so he went indie.
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There's some law you can pass that will prevent this from happening.
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What about if I gave him a county that isn't part of a duchy? Would he be considered a vassal of Velax the King then?
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Don't put money on it, but I think so yeah.
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Just tried it and no. The county left my realm rather than the duchy joining it. So it seems I have to give him a title that is equivalent or higher to the one he's inheriting for him to become part of my realm.
So if I were an Emperor, say, and I was supporting a vassal in their claim for a Kingdom, I'd have to give them another Kingdom for them to become part of my realm? That seems...excessive.
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Hence why I only press claims when the claimant is me or someone for whom I am heir.
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Y'all are seriously doing this all wrong.
If they are in your dynasty, press their claim regardless of whether they'll end up in your kingdom or not.
Why? Because this is a game about "dynasties" not personal kingdoms. One goal should be to spread your dynasty around as much as possible even if you don't particularly control areas. Your dynasty prestige plays a role in marriages, and other diplomacy, not just your own prestige.
Not to mention, any dynasty members are automatic allies for wars and such.
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Just tried it and no. The county left my realm rather than the duchy joining it. So it seems I have to give him a title that is equivalent or higher to the one he's inheriting for him to become part of my realm.
So if I were an Emperor, say, and I was supporting a vassal in their claim for a Kingdom, I'd have to give them another Kingdom for them to become part of my realm? That seems...excessive.
I believe that if the Kingdom is a de jure part of your Empire they'll still join you. Alternatively, if you press the claim of a dynasty member they'll also join you.
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Y'all are seriously doing this all wrong.
If they are in your dynasty, press their claim regardless of whether they'll end up in your kingdom or not.
Why? Because this is a game about "dynasties" not personal kingdoms. One goal should be to spread your dynasty around as much as possible even if you don't particularly control areas. Your dynasty prestige plays a role in marriages, and other diplomacy, not just your own prestige.
Not to mention, any dynasty members are automatic allies for wars and such.
Personal prestige plays a far larger part, as does gold production and army capacity, which are likewise only gained by
Also most claims you press aren't going to be your dynasty's, they're gonna be random claimants you invited.
What I like to do is get a claimant, add him to my court, force him to marry one of my female daughters or kinswomen matrilineally, and then their kid will be of my dynasty with the new claim. It's a good way to get claims into your bloodlines.
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Damn Popes keep getting uppity. Had to execute two thus far.
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Hence why my current dynasty head, Queen of Rus, Denmark, Castille, Leon, Navarra and Galacia is Orthodox and converted spain to Orthodoxy.
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Damn Popes keep getting uppity. Had to execute two thus far.
Set up Anti-Pope.
Get rich.
Watch as the Christian World falls to Heresies and Islam.
Claim innocence.
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Set up Anti-Pope.
Get rich.
Watch as the Christian World falls to Heresies and Islam.
Claim innocence.
This is typically my strategy
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Set up Anti-Pope.
Get rich.
Watch as the Christian World falls to Heresies and Islam.
Claim innocence.
I did set up an Anti-pope. Then I pushed his claim to the Papacy and, because I was an Emperor and so a higher rank, he became my vassal. It's good because I can excommunicate any Catholic I want, anywhere, but the bastards keep rebelling.
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Personal prestige plays a far larger part, as does gold production and army capacity, which are likewise only gained by
Also most claims you press aren't going to be your dynasty's, they're gonna be random claimants you invited.
What I like to do is get a claimant, add him to my court, force him to marry one of my female daughters or kinswomen matrilineally, and then their kid will be of my dynasty with the new claim. It's a good way to get claims into your bloodlines.
Or do the above, but use seniority succession, and watch as, over the decades, you start randomly accumulating all of the titles of your spinoff family branches.
Or use elective succession to consolidate titles, which is a pretty straightforward process generally if you know how to manage your vassals.
Or use claimancies to press relatives' claims, then kill everyone between them and you/your heir.
There are tons of good reasons to press other peoples' claims.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread (at least not for long), but I just bought CK2 yesterday since the game and dlc are on sale on Amazon and can be redeemed through Steam.
Anyone have any suggestions for ways to start playing or guides to watch/read to get me acquainted? Or is it best just to jump in?
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I don't mean to hijack the thread (at least not for long), but I just bought CK2 yesterday since the game and dlc are on sale on Amazon and can be redeemed through Steam.
Anyone have any suggestions for ways to start playing or guides to watch/read to get me acquainted? Or is it best just to jump in?
I'd recommend just jumping in. I started and quit 3 or 4 games before I had a game I played through. Playing as the boy King of France was my first good game. The CK2 wiki is helpful to learn while playing. For me, it was the simplest of the choices between V2, EU3, and HOI3.
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Ireland is usually referred to as 'Tutorial Island'. If you start as say the Duke of Munster, you'll have an edge over most other Irish Dukes and you start with a De Jure Claim on Desmond. It's a slow start so you don't get overwhelmed by everything and keeps you a bit isolated from the bigger realms out there as you figure things out and unite Ireland.
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Ruling half the world is great. There I was claiming the Papacy, contently ruling over half of Spain, all of Denmark, Rus, Ireland and Sicily, preparing to end the great schism, and BAM. MOTHER!@#$ING AZTECS. 140000 troops.
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It's all about claims if you want to expand your realm. I started as the Count of Desmond and it took ages to get anything going. But I invited some better Councilors to my court, fabricated some claims and things got rolling. Once you start getting more regions, you start getting more claims and things just keep going. Never been without something to do since then.
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I have been playing a Byzantine game and it has been amazing. Up until now I had mostly played Western Europe and Scandinavia games.
Still need to try an Islam game.
Am very excited for The Old Gods soon.
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I dabbled with an Irish Count (thanks for the advice, by the way!) for a little while and was overwhelmed by what I seemed able to do, or might be able to do, so I sat through some of the tutorials to see if I can't figure it all out.
I love the potential I'm seeing in the game so far though. I just need to figure out how it works.
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The tutorials are...not great. Apparently par for the course with Paradox games. I played through the demo a few times before the game arrived, so had some idea of what I needed to do to get started, but even now, with a world-spanning Empire, I'm still fuzzy on some things (did just manage to become Grandmaster of the Templars, though. Wee, free Holy Order!)
I suggest sending out your Councilor to fabricate claims on a region that's part of the same duchy. Then you can take it, usurp the Duke title (if you now control 50% of it, which in Ireland, you should) and then get de jure claims on the rest of the duchy.
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Good to see some advice here. I just got the game yesterday due to its sale so I have the game and dlc pack, which doesn't include the newest three I believe. Any plans on ever making this multiplayer happening?
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Good to see some advice here. I just got the game yesterday due to its sale so I have the game and dlc pack, which doesn't include the newest three I believe. Any plans on ever making this multiplayer happening?
Biggest bit of advice I'll give: if you get it, turn off the Sunset Crusade pack. Its nothing but trouble.
"Yea, okay, things are running pretty well. I had a few rough patches here and there, but now things are rolling. Oh what? Aztecs, awww how cute, yes I'll squash some savages. Killing Aztecs is what I do, I'm M-FING SPAIN.... OMG 140000 MAN ARMY."
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Lol. It is nothing more than a Mongol-style horde from the west instead of the east.
Liking Old Gods. Really hoping they let us play theocracies and flesh out the Church more next
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It's summer and I have some more free time now.
Anyone up for that Multi-player CK2?
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So, we going to do this or not?
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I would love to sign-up as well. I can play pretty much anytime that isn't deep in the night/morning. UTC + 1 and can play anything, but that pitiful county in the cumans.
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Anybody who wants to play a game feel free to add me on skype (mscline)!
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Anybody who wants to play a game feel free to add me on skype (mscline)!
Do you have a steam account? I am not much for skype myself, but I would add you on steam.
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well I just think its easier to communicate using skype is all...
darthonia is my nickname on steam