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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Igelfeld on March 16, 2011, 01:31:42 PM
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So... we got a big war on our hands. Caerwyn is attacking Astrum. Madina is all attacking SA. Averoth is trying to hold its own, and one of the brotherhood is distracted.
I really don't want this to turn into a OOC debate about justifications for the war. I just want to know what people think. So please keep things as objective as possible and don't insult realms or characters.
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Sounds unexciting. There's nothing going on Madina's side.
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So... we got a big war on our hands. Caerwyn is attacking Astrum. Madina is all attacking SA. Averoth is trying to hold its own, and one of the brotherhood is distracted.
I really don't want this to turn into a OOC debate about justifications for the war. I just want to know what people think. So please keep things as objective as possible and don't insult realms or characters.
I guess this will make things in Madina quite more interesting in the future. I would say it was a good move on their side, this is hopefully going to revitalize a realm killed by boredom (or so it seems).
What sounds a bit strange are their military threats that, given the distance, are quite unlikely.
What's funny is that of all those who declared war on SA, no one declared war on Corsanctum. So long for the "hearth of the faith" :D
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Maybe they don't consider Corsanctum a threat? For that matter, did anyone declare war on Entai?
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It will be an interesting war. I just wish that the declarations of war had some factual kernel of truth in them. :-\
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Poor Corsanctum gets left out :) Morek Empire declared War on Entai, so I'm not sure if Madina and Caerwyn wants to fight them since they are the enemy of the enemy in the end. They haven't yet at least.
I know I've been busy writing letters today anyway.
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This war will totaly depend on the cohesion of the church, who of the SA members will join what side.
If they stand as one body against the nations of freedom, the war will be quickly over.
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Maybe they don't consider Corsanctum a threat? For that matter, did anyone declare war on Entai?
I believe Caerwyn sees Entai as an unwilling ally, and Entai probably feels the same. It could essentially go two and both are good for Entai. First, they could get support from Madina and Caerwyn, not directly but by means of keeping Corsanctum and Astrum busy. Or they could try and use this war to cause SA to join together, ignore their differences to deal with the external threat. ether way, their little rebellion might just stand given this new war.
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This clash SA-anti SA is going to be epic
In Morek we've hard times so this is going to balance the game even if I think Astrum is stronger than Caerwyn.
I didn't see rela reasons for Madina to step in, they could have RP a little better.
The war will be interesting even if I fear it'll resolve only on local conflicts due to the huge travel times.
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Isn't this an interesting self fulfilling prophecy? Non-SA realms have been afraid of SA for some time, thinking they want to rule the world. This, the fact that non-SA people think thus is true, but if that was SA's actual intent nobody outside of SA really knows (And please keep that debate elsewhere).
But with this war, the non SA realms are forcing SA to join together in an effort to combat this new threat. So essentially, if this war ends with SA having won, they will then be the world conquering religion the non-SA realms thought they were. ;)
I think this will be quite interesting.
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Yeah rather odd... You'd think if SA was the aggressor they would have started the war, the other side started the war by kind of shooting themselves in their own feet before it even got off the ground.
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This is going to be very exciting, and probably the biggest war on the continent.
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It will be an interesting war. I just wish that the declarations of war had some factual kernel of truth in them. :-\
This kinda thing happens all the time on all the continents and I believe I've seen far too much information to not go to war. We all saw the first Brotherhood of Astrocracies which clearly allied against the "pagans" aka the free realms. Madina is a "free-realm" and I love how everyone underestimates them. Don't get all whiny when you get in the tough spot.. you're feeling the way Thulsoma did when the odds were against them. A taste of you're own medicine ;)
Maybe they don't consider Corsanctum a threat? For that matter, did anyone declare war on Entai?
Actually, Caerwyn did lower relations with them once we broke our Federation but we have to wait a few days before one can lower it again. As for Entai, only Morek.
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My ruler shared this, feel free to do with it what you will:
Letter from Baal Zephon Beldragos (4 hours, 49 minutes ago)
Message sent to the Rulers of Dwilight (16 recipients)
Attention all Rulers of Dwilight,
After I spoke out against the Brotherhood, I noticed there was no response from them in regards to hostile acts, words, or even Bounties posted against me for daring speak out against them and making them appease me by rewriting their Accord. This was very suspicious. In the past anyone who even looked at them wrong was turned into a State Enemy and mobbed. Yet nothing came from their camps but “is this good enough for you?” so I became cautious. The Brotherhood does not act this way to others.
I went along with their attempts at appeasing me and began to get reports of my actions seemingly from within Caerwyn. This meant someone was reporting back to the Brotherhood, we had a spy. I knew I could not act openly against the Brotherhood without alerting them to our true intentions so I concocted an act to fool them into thinking I was being submissive. Apparently it has worked for many of you also thought I was, according to the many reports I have heard as well as letters. It was hard to not defend myself when I knew it would only hurt Caerwyn’s one chance at striking against the Brotherhood.
I gathered those around me whom I trusted and knew for certain they were not the ones spying on the Realm, certain individuals in power that could do my moving for me while I drew attention to myself away from them. They would be my hands while I was the diversion.
I found out their plans. After destroying Averoth, the Brotherhood was to take care of their Beast problems in Astrum and get Darfax started, and then they plan to march to Golden Farrow and take the Capital of our Realm away from us as well as key food locations to feed the city. They were going to leave us with Itau as the capital of Caerwyn and then wait until they had enough SA Nobles to finish the push. Their goal is to plant a Duke in every city on Dwilight. That will not happen. Ever.
I expect the Brotherhood to try to claim these plans are not real, but I have heard them from three different sources to date and all three were virtually identical.
The dirty laundry being aired in Morek not only confirmed suspicions but also gives me the reason I needed to act.
After sending this message out, I will shatter all treaties and the Federation with Astrum. Caerwyn will be at War with the Brotherhood.
Those of you who are brave enough to join with us please contact Caerwyn, Averoth, or Medina.
For Freedom!
Baal Zephon Beldragos
Archon of Caerwyn, Earl of Itaufield, Marshal of the Heavy Strikers Group
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This kinda thing happens all the time on all the continents and I believe I've seen far too much information to not go to war.
Well, yes, obviously. I'm just wondering how much of it is true, and how much is just blatant propaganda. From the war declaration Baal sent, it seems as if most of the declaration is simply blatant fabrication. Yes, it does happen all the time. But for all the stuff SA has done, I'm surprised you had to actually make stuff up in order to justify the war, rather than use the stuff we really did.
We all saw the first Brotherhood of Astrocracies which clearly allied against the "pagans" aka the free realms. Madina is a "free-realm" and I love how everyone underestimates them. Don't get all whiny when you get in the tough spot.. you're feeling the way Thulsoma did when the odds were against them. A taste of you're own medicine ;)
I'm not complaining about being in a tough spot. It will be an interesting war, and I hope we all have a lot of fun with it.
But the comparison to Thulsoma is a bit awkward. Thulsoma actively antagonized SA. Astrum has bent over backward to maintain friendly relations with Caerwyn.
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This kinda thing happens all the time on all the continents and I believe I've seen far too much information to not go to war. We all saw the first Brotherhood of Astrocracies which clearly allied against the "pagans" aka the free realms.
Except that the intent was never anything of the kind. In fact, it was more or less to have SA band together to defend against a direct threat to the faith—which is exactly what you have given them.
This is unbiased OOC knowledge, by the way.
Madina is a "free-realm" and I love how everyone underestimates them.
Yeeeaaahhh....I don't think it's so much underestimating as seeing exactly how pathetic they've become. They can't hold onto their own regions, and they're going to send an army what, a week and a half's travel to the north?
If Madina even manages to fight in any important battles, I'll be surprised.
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Yes, it should be interesting alright, and if we do come out with the upper hand, I suppose we'll have no choice but to conquer half the world. I mean, half the world did just go to war with us... :)
I would chalk up their need to use fabricated justifications to the fact that Rowan was very careful to avoid giving them any that weren't fabricated. As Indirik said, Astrum bent over backward to reassure Caerwyn when Baal started making trouble over the war with Averoth. We did everything they asked, basically. Caerwyn really went darkside on this one. I mean, a month ago they were offering troops to help us fight monsters. If they were planning this the whole time, it was a pretty cold move.
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We had reason to believe that Astrum was planning something colder, as shown in Baal's letter. . Perhaps it was planted but someone did a good job. As I replied to you in the other topic, you can't blame everyone in Caerwyn.. and some of had a good IC reason anyways.
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Durn it. I have to deal with Caerywn directly. I feel pressured already :P. One thing cool about Dwilight is the insane travel time. It will play a huge role in this war. Do not underestimate equipment damage. :)
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Ha, travel times still that bad? They were even reduced a long time ago.
Then again, it takes me about 20+ hours to travel anywhere even when it's not winter. Winter travel can go up to 60 hours on extremely bad roads. !!!
Still, as long as you have allies to provide for some repairs, you've got convenient checkpoints. I wonder if that means Madina will try to sail up.
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Not sure how happy D'Hara will be with that. :P
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I don't see what choice they have. Marching north from Candiels would take weeks, even in the Summer:
Taking this route, it would take you 236 hours, or 34 turns, to cover the total distance of 2382 miles, assuming no travel delays.
And that's going THROUGH Paisly and Port Raviel to do it, though granted I am presently north of Eidulb. Good luck Madina!
As for planted information, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that someone is doing that. There are many people out there who hate SA. I know for a fact that an ex-priest of SA emigrated to Caerwyn after he was deported from LE as a consequence of his failed rebellion there, and I'm certain he's doing everything he can to get revenge on SA. There may members of the OOC clan that ran Thulsoma in various realms spreading lies and misinformation as well. I hear the same lies being repeated often by our enemies, so I am willing to bet that someone out there is running a concerted campaign.
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I find it interesting that the one and only heretic of SA has had no ill-intent against the religion all through this. I am still the only heretic, right? Checking the wiki, only Allison went through some Magistratum thing but then she like bent backwards to be readmitted or something. So...Garret can still claim "Heretic" as a title? Not that I care for titles on Dwilight.
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Sure. We'll let you keep the heretic title. :)
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Awesome. It reminds me of the Arbiter from Halo, but human, and in a fantasy setting. But I am rather amazed that no one else has managed to draw enough controversy and/or dislike to become pronounced a heretic. Ah well, guess it really is up to me to be the sorta-lone dude. :-\ Watching the sun rise and fall over Dwilight...Wistful.
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SA has too much power - its about time they crumble or at least be damaged. With Astrum by herself and against a two front war, there are definitely some drastic changes to be made to Dwilights map. Averoth has some 42 nobles, they will expand fast if left alone, which may just happen with Caerwyn invading from the south and causing trouble.
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Well to be honest, if SA is left alone, it will cover the entire north. However, if they win this war, it might spread southward. I never seen Caerwyn in action so I cannot really judge how strong it is. Hope it can provide some challenges.
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Hey I was proclaimed heretic before and even had a trial and everything....Oh Artemesia we are quite the pair.
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Bet you didn't get exiled before you got banned ::)
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Eh, I never got exiled. I got banned losing a rebellion against a multi-cheater. I believe that was my one and only rebellion.
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There may members of the OOC clan that ran Thulsoma in various realms spreading lies and misinformation as well. I hear the same lies being repeated often by our enemies, so I am willing to bet that someone out there is running a concerted campaign.
There is no OOC Clan in Thulsoma (I don't know why so many people get that impression) any misinformation and propaganda spread by Thulsoma, is done by careful networking and spies. But yeah, Thulsoma has been the progenitor for a lot of anti SA propaganda in just about every non SA realm. Of course, it all comes to fruition after we lose Storms Keep. That said, the massive continental war we've ginned up, and the League Of Free Nations should be epic, and anyone who underestimates Madina's coming involvement shall be surprised.
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There is no OOC Clan in Thulsoma (I don't know why so many people get that impression)
Let's see... suspicious amounts of newly created families with homes conveniently located in Storm's Keep/Storm's End, and later on in Valkyrja/Yggdramir... hm, you're right, no idea why people would think there's an OOC clan.
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Let's see... suspicious amounts of newly created families with homes conveniently located in Storm's Keep/Storm's End, and later on in Valkyrja/Yggdramir... hm, you're right, no idea why people would think there's an OOC clan.
Because they lack creativity, and OOC Clan just so happens to be the laziest, and thus easiest conclusion to go to? Most of the family homes in Storms Keep, were manually moved to Storms Keep, when it became obvious our regions were obscenely poor by the standards sert by just about every other region in the game, I was going to move mine as well, till I ran out of time. As for suspicious amount of new characters, are you taking the piss? Look at Sirion, look at Astrum, or Morek Empire, Thulsoma had a tiny percentage of new characters, and especially compared to the amount those realm get on a regular basis, Sirion imparticular, but when we got new characters, which was incredibly rare (I swear we got like ... 12-14 throughout the entire war) we made the effort to ensure they enjoyed the realm enough to stay, and of course, who wouldn't want to join Thulsoma? Our capital is called Storms Keep and we always had high levels of glory, which several have admitted was the main reason they chose us to go to straight away. I mean, compare Gaston, or Eidulb to Storms Keep, one name is obviously better and more interesting than the other, and so players will be more inclined to join one than the other, that said, by my marking, Astrum got many, many times more the number of new players (Which, I am sure is largely accountable to many more duchies they have)
Only a small amount were actually OOC Friends before Thulsoma, and most of those were friends I made in other realms, others became OOC friends in the progress, as anyone can tell you I'm notorious for OOC conversation with players.
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You're mostly notorious for gaming the mechanics. It's not a compliment when the mechanics of certain parts of the game are changed simply to stop you from exploiting them.
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I though he was notorious for getting realms wiped out, and then claiming it was all part of the plan for FUN.
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Lets keep things civil guys, I really don't know about clans and such, but the start of this war is not disappointing. The ruler channel is aflame, and accusations are flying left and right. And Caerwyn, my goodness! they aren't pulling any punches on this one. This is just a hunch but I don't think they are interested in expanding as much as they are in making Astrum suffer.
If this was started by people from within SA, be it through plotting or by simply convincing Baal that SA was plotting (I favor the ladder), Caerwyn has essentially let everybody know that this war is not going to have a peaceful resolution. There is going to be a loser and now we get to find out who that loser will be.
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Most of the family homes in Storms Keep, were manually moved to Storms Keep
I can say with some certainty that this is simply false.
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That is probably cause they can't really expand. Caerwyn has long had issues holding the regions they do have. We will have to see how this pans out, like I said, nothing I have ever seen in Caerwyn suggests to me that they will make an effective fighting force, but they do have the advantage of two borders. Astrum of old was quite and effective military, it will be interesting to see what they can do now with their much larger resources.
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Only a small amount were actually OOC Friends before Thulsoma, and most of those were friends I made in other realms, others became OOC friends in the progress, as anyone can tell you I'm notorious for OOC conversation with players.
All that means is your clan was small initially, and you grew it. Congratulations. Either way, there's no way Thulsoma (or Averoth for that matter) could have come up with the kind of forces they did without exploiting *something*. The last scout report of Yggdramir tells me there's 12k CS there, and Valkyrja has level 7 walls. In a realm with two to five (depending on the time frame) incredibly poor regions? Months ago when the war started they still had 10k CS. That's *absurd*. Obviously they couldn't get close to that with only their tax gold. If they could then why isn't Asylon rocking a huge army? So... Where is the rest of it coming from?
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Is there any way for other realms to send gold to a certain realm?
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Is there any way for other realms to send gold to a certain realm?
Yes there is. If a noble from another realm travels to the receiving realms capital, then he or she can transfer the gold they carry to that receiving realm. (I think that made sense)
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Yes there is. If a noble from another realm travels to the receiving realms capital, then he or she can transfer the gold they carry to that receiving realm. (I think that made sense)
Don't forget the fifty gold transfer fee (if you tell the game to send 300 gold, it'll send 250 and eat 50 for the transfer fee).
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Also don't forget that if they came from almost anywhere in the south they'd have to travel through Astrum to get to Averoth, unless they detoured through Corsanctum and Morek. Either way, they're traveling through a theocracy. Possible without us noticing? Yes. Somewhat unlikely though, particularly since the war began.
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Also don't forget that if they came from almost anywhere in the south they'd have to travel through Astrum to get to Averoth, unless they detoured through Corsanctum and Morek. Either way, they're traveling through a theocracy. Possible without us noticing? Yes. Somewhat unlikely though, particularly since the war began.
That's what infiltrators are for 8)
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ummm infiltrators aren't invisible, and haven't been for quite some time. Priest would be a better option, not invisible but quick to move.
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Priest would be a better option, not invisible but quick to move.
Bingo.
Smuggling a few hundred/thousand gold with a priest is pretty simple work. Dwilight is a little trickier due to the larger number of 16 hour travel times, but still entirely plausible. I march my priest character up and down the continent every summer; travel for priests isn't very bad.
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Except that the intent was never anything of the kind. In fact, it was more or less to have SA band together to defend against a direct threat to the faith—which is exactly what you have given them.
Yeah, defensive alliances are never an indication of aggressive intent. Take the Delian League, for example. Obviously Athens only wanted to defend itself from the Persian Empire, not form its own empire around Greece. Or consider NATO: isn't it obvious that all it wanted to do was defend the west from the evil commies? Surely NATO never had, you know, "contingency" plans for a strike into Soviet territory?
Defensive alliances are aggressive institutions for clever diplomats.
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Why is everyone getting all hissy? SA is a huge religion, it's very existence is perceived as a threat, realms are getting together to obliterate it.
Doesn't anyone else think this is awesome?
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Why is everyone getting all hissy? SA is a huge religion, it's very existence is perceived as a threat, realms are getting together to obliterate it.
Doesn't anyone else think this is awesome?
Here! Here! Precisely what I was thinking. It seems that sometimes it is difficult to simply talk about things without accusations flying.
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Why is everyone getting all hissy? SA is a huge religion, it's very existence is perceived as a threat, realms are getting together to obliterate it.
Doesn't anyone else think this is awesome?
Oh, sure, I have no problem with the basic politics of it.
I have problems with people exploiting loopholes in the game mechanics and then bragging about it.
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You're mostly notorious for gaming the mechanics. It's not a compliment when the mechanics of certain parts of the game are changed simply to stop you from exploiting them.
When have I ever exploited the game mechanics?
I though he was notorious for getting realms wiped out, and then claiming it was all part of the plan for FUN.
That too. But it wasn't intentional to get them wiped out, merely to get them to actually do something fun.
All that means is your clan was small initially, and you grew it. Congratulations. Either way, there's no way Thulsoma (or Averoth for that matter) could have come up with the kind of forces they did without exploiting *something*. The last scout report of Yggdramir tells me there's 12k CS there, and Valkyrja has level 7 walls. In a realm with two to five (depending on the time frame) incredibly poor regions? Months ago when the war started they still had 10k CS. That's *absurd*. Obviously they couldn't get close to that with only their tax gold. If they could then why isn't Asylon rocking a huge army? So... Where is the rest of it coming from?
When you have no gold, you learn to make gold by whatever means necessary, when you don't have troops, you learn to get troops and to keep them. Everything in Thulsoma was meticulously planned out and calculated, in realms like Astrum, who in a single week, produce more than Thulsoma would have in a year, you waste your gold, your troops, because it doesn't matter. Look at Shrine Of Seeklander, you've had that region for how long? And it's still only a level three! The bottom line is, realms like Astrum piss away their gold and they never stockpile it, or use it properly.
Storms Keep was only a level two when I got it, but through a hell of a lot of hard work, sacrifice on the parts of my nobles, and a pretty much communistical approach to gold income, we built a level Seven, a system I basically incorporated from Averoth. Astrum's weekly income, is pretty much equal, if not more than the amount of gold it takes to build up several levels of a Citadel in a Stronghold. Averoth, ever since Sextus took over, has worked ridiculously hard, to get what they have built, not a single coin wasted, and extremely profitable trading allowed them to do it. To claim they got it through wrong doing it utterly ridiculous, again I will say Astrum has a ridiculously high gold income per week, so much so a thousand gold pieces or more means nothing to you, as opposed to realms like Averoth, and Thulsoma who have nothing in the way of actual income from their regions, and so must work all the harder to get gold, and to make the gold count. Are you actually trying to claim foul, because your enemies are infinitely more skilled, resourceful and hardworking than you are? Because it actually gives them a chance to stand up against you? Even with all this, Astrum can simply outfinance Averoth by far, it can produce more troops, and in a single week, produce more gold than Averoth ever will in months, and will be able to produce armies far, far larger.
So don't complain, when your enemy actually raise themselves, through hard work, determination and meticulous planning to get to where they are, when realms like Astrum, literally have it handed to them.
Out of all the players in the game, I don't know any who have invested more time than Sextus in trying to understand the game coding, and how to play the game properly, and spent so much time trying to raise a tiny, poor, weak realm to a decent realm to be in, and so it is incredibly annoying when other players, who pretty don't have to work for anything in their realms, and basically for a majority of their existence, haven't ever had to try and claim its unfair that the small, poor, weak realms actually turn themselves into something, with what little they have.
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Out of all the players in the game, I don't know any who have invested more time than Sextus in trying to understand the game coding, and how to play the game properly, and spent so much time trying to raise a tiny, poor, weak realm to a decent realm to be in, and so it is incredibly annoying when other players, who pretty don't have to work for anything in their realms, and basically for a majority of their existence, haven't ever had to try and claim its unfair that the small, poor, weak realms actually turn themselves into something, with what little they have.
And this, here, is the crux of the issue. This sort of power-gaming is detrimental to the game as a whole by establishing an image in the minds of players involved that there is a "best", "right", or even "correct" way of trying to win a roleplaying game designed around a concept of trust between players.
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When you have no gold, you learn to make gold by whatever means necessary, when you don't have troops, you learn to get troops and to keep them. Everything in Thulsoma was meticulously planned out and calculated, in realms like Astrum, who in a single week, produce more than Thulsoma would have in a year, you waste your gold, your troops, because it doesn't matter.
Uh.... We've worked hard to get where we are.
Look at Shrine Of Seeklander, you've had that region for how long? And it's still only a level three! The bottom line is, realms like Astrum piss away their gold and they never stockpile it, or use it properly.
I wouldn't say that. We have a rather nice stockpile, thankyouverymuch. We also have a tendency to give gold to whoever wants it. I mean, what fun is it to sit on 15,000 gold? Do we make sure that every coin is handed out and used in such a way as to maximize the gold:CS ratio? No. This is a game, not a job.
Storms Keep was only a level two when I got it, but through a hell of a lot of hard work, sacrifice on the parts of my nobles, and a pretty much communistical approach to gold income, we built a level Seven, a system I basically incorporated from Averoth.
Don't forget the liberal abuses of the family gold system, including a steady stream of new accounts, new characters from existing accounts, and regular visits to family homes so you could drain their self-regenerating family gold. We're not stupid.
(And, BTW, you're not the first one to have found that loophole. I thought it had been fixed years ago. Obviously it hadn't.)
Are you actually trying to claim foul, because your enemies are infinitely more skilled, resourceful and hardworking than you are?
Oh no. I've been beaten in wars before, and probably will be again. So long as the enemy fights fair, within the guidelines provided by the game, that's cool. When they start poking at game mechanics to find loopholes and edge-cases where they can make the system do what it wasn't intended to do, that's then the problem starts coming in.
So don't complain, when your enemy actually raise themselves, through hard work, determination and meticulous planning to get to where they are, when realms like Astrum, literally have it handed to them.
Wow, you act like you're the only one who has ever worked hard or invested time and effort into the game. I suppose all the rest of us just wrote an e-mail to Tom and had him start handing out duchies?
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Are you actually trying to claim foul, because your enemies are infinitely more skilled, resourceful and hardworking than you are?
So don't complain, when your enemy actually raise themselves, through hard work, determination and meticulous planning to get to where they are, when realms like Astrum, literally have it handed to them.
Out of all the players in the game, I don't know any who have invested more time than Sextus in trying to understand the game coding,
1. Not infinitely. Mathematically, if we assume "skilled, resourceful and hardworking" to be a component of an equation for "victory" (which you seem so preoccupied with), any infinite multiplier should guarantee your victory. You MIGHT have been quantitatively more "skilled, resourceful and hardworking." From my outsider's perspective, it looked like you were more "bad-spirited, obnoxious, and OOC-oriented." And that's from someone who hates big realms and habitually gravitates toward tiny, fledgling powers.
2. Hard work, determination, meticulous planning, and exploitation of game code. Frankly, "hard work" at a GAME is not admirable. None of us sit down at this game and go around handing out brownie points to people who log the extra eight hours trying to derive code formulas. That is against the spirit of the game and destructive to its atmosphere. That sense of "deserving" some kind of accolade or reward for your "hard work" is nonsense in a game intended to be fully playable in 15 minutes a day. It's like being a world-champion minesweeper player: that's really not what it's about.
3. "Understanding the game coding" reads, to me, like "abuses the game." I recognize that I am probably excessively grumpy and stodgy on that issue, but that's where I stand. Don't try to game the coding, try to play the game.
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On a FAR more interesting note, I am VERY curious to see how Madina involves itself, given that Terran and D'Hara have both basically closed their borders to Madina. Maybe Madina plans to restart the war for Paisly, but that doesn't seem like it will get them very far. Caerwyn, I suspect, does not want Terran and D'Hara pushed into the Astroist camp.
If Madina sends infils and gold, though, it could play a large role.
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Yes. Madina's options for sending troops directly are rather limited. I guess they could try via Fissoa and the Lurians, but that's yet another journey around the world.
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When you have no gold, you learn to make gold by whatever means necessary, when you don't have troops, you learn to get troops and to keep them.
Being the underdog doesn't give you an automatic right to exploit game-mechanic loopholes or bugs just to get a leg up on your larger enemies.
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Annnnd Rowan is dead in battle :P. Should make for a great revenge storyline when I get around to making a new character though!
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Yes. Madina's options for sending troops directly are rather limited. I guess they could try via Fissoa and the Lurians, but that's yet another journey around the world.
Given that Madina is allied to Fissoa and Fissoa is at war with PeL, that's not gonna happen I assume.
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Annnnd Rowan is dead in battle :P. Should make for a great revenge storyline when I get around to making a new character though!
:'(
The first martyr of the war has fallen...
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The first martyr of the war has fallen...
I noticed that, and honestly I think that is a bad thing for non-SA realms. Rowan was a very sensible leader and given the current war I think fanaticism could win the next election.
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Crazy attacking numbers for a three region realm...
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I noticed that, and honestly I think that is a bad thing for non-SA realms. Rowan was a very sensible leader and given the current war I think fanaticism could win the next election.
My thought exactly.
Though I will say I am beyond impressed with Averoth. A three-region, zero-city realm just beat a huge empire in an open field contest. One of the better shows I've seen in a long time.
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One down! ;D Tons to go! Gonna be a crazy brutal war at this point. So much hatred going around
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One down! ;D Tons to go! Gonna be a crazy brutal war at this point. So much hatred going around
I'm pretty sure that Astrum will be freed up from it's northern front pretty soon. :)
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Though I will say I am beyond impressed with Averoth. A three-region, zero-city realm just beat a huge empire in an open field contest. One of the better shows I've seen in a long time.
It was a tough battle. The Averoth units were very small, most only around 20 men, or even less. But they had 39 units show up for battle. Toward the end of the battle there were a lot of <10 men unit running around. The hits from the attackers were getting very spread out, not concentrating enough to do significant damage
Even more impressive, though is the movement style Averoth has adopted. The vast majority of those 39 units were stationary until <2 hours before the turn. Then they just piled it on. It's going to be a tough fight against a realm that can pull a 37-unit late-turn move, on a regular basis.
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I noticed that, and honestly I think that is a bad thing for non-SA realms. Rowan was a very sensible leader and given the current war I think fanaticism could win the next election.
Without a doubt. Rowan was by far the leading voice of moderation in the Church. A number of the long time Elders are also moderate in their outlook including the current Regent, but they don't have the sway that Rowan did. With his death it is quite likely that the Church will be whipped up into a frenzy.
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Without a doubt. Rowan was by far the leading voice of moderation in the Church. A number of the long time Elders are also moderate in their outlook including the current Regent, but they don't have the sway that Rowan did. With his death it is quite likely that the Church will be whipped up into a frenzy.
I kind of hope that happens. I'd love to see some really crazy wars go on.
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I kind of hope that happens. I'd love to see some really crazy wars go on.
Even if that doesn't happen we are in for a crazy war.
Has Rowan's player created a new character in Astrum yet?
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Just wow.. When I saw Rowan left the church I was like wtf. Then reading the battle report made me swore. This is getting more interesting.
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Has Rowan's player created a new character in Astrum yet?
I have not. There is a bug that is preventing me from reading any messages while dead (it gives me the wounded message), and personally I would very much like to see the response to Rowan's death. Though now that I think about it, if the game automatically removed me from the Church so that I can't see messages there anymore, I'll probably miss out on most of the good stuff... Maybe I'd be better off just burying him and starting a new character ASAP.
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Did you ever RP Rowan as having a wife/child in Astrum?
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Did you ever RP Rowan as having a wife/child in Astrum?
I did not, as I do not often write RPs about my characters unless I have someone else to RP with, but nonetheless that is probably the back story I will use for a new character.
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Without a doubt. Rowan was by far the leading voice of moderation in the Church. A number of the long time Elders are also moderate in their outlook including the current Regent, but they don't have the sway that Rowan did. With his death it is quite likely that the Church will be whipped up into a frenzy.
And because of this, SA will only get a bad rep. There's already a lot of bad propaganda going around for SA already...
I did not, as I do not often write RPs about my characters unless I have someone else to RP with, but nonetheless that is probably the back story I will use for a new character.
It's fun to come back with a different to Dwilight and has a background there. Channing's history wasn't all too well. He got screwed up with the maddening star then went onto betray Norland, then get backstabbed by BoM in the process. It was like karma got back at him haha! Hyperion is a lot more fun to play as I've learned a lot since then
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I’m going to make some sweeping comment having just skimmed the discussion here. I’ve mostly stayed away from the Forums for precisely the reason I think it detracts from the game, encourages a lot more OOC chatter than will go on to influence IC more than it should, and just generally seems like an unnecessary addition. Reading some of the posts it does indeed seem like this is all just going to become ‘The Game Behind “The Game”’, but nonetheless, I’m not really here for the bickering, just to make a few responses.
The main point about this War is that literally any realm that isn’t Astroist is auto-excluded on Dwilight, atleast in the North. You have a choice to join the religion, as we did when we kicked the Torenism out of Averoth, or create an alternative that will most likely fly in the face of Astroism, or be used as a means of targeting your realm. Caerwyn has managed through this because its so big, other realms have ‘secular beliefs’, which I just think is messy and too wishy-washy. Instead of any religion, Averoth has put the most focus on intra-realm-RP and ‘culture’ development, the ideology of ‘The Freestate’, of a benevolent tyranny, of social-consent, and a realm lore that basically says “Whoever wins the Rebellion for the Rulership – deserves to be the Ruler”, all backed by Sextus’ twisted and obscure character traits. It’s a very complex mix, something I will at some point try to clarify on the wiki. (I’ve tried countless times, the enormity of it just ends up drowning me, and I haven’t had much time recently.This isn’t really the place for all that.)
My main point is that SA is too much of an oppressive force unless you want to be part of it, because choice-wise it has so much power and strangle-hold on the continent and there’s not much in the way to avoid it without bowing to it, which is boring. That’s basically how The League Of Free-Nations sees it, but more for the IC actions of SA as reason for the War.
As it stands, Averoth can’t do anything else but fight Astrum and SA, one; for the massively crippling ‘Too Much Peace’ rule, (Something I intend to offer an amendment to as a Game Dev suggestion at some point), two; for massive boredom and three; because quite frankly, to quote a bit of Fight Club, “self-destruction is the answer.” There is no-where to expand, nothing else to do. At this stage Averoth might as well stop existing because we’ve finished fighting the monsters and building the realm up from a single region of 400 starving peasants. It is essentially ‘game-over’ stagnation, in terms of what the realm can actually do. The RP and ‘realm culture’ is there, the IC options are not. I’ve made a point of running a tournament, as a bit of tradition, every 100 days since Sextus took over even when its been financially crippling, and we’ve had our internal realm fun too. But even that for all its IC worth is superficial.
Dwilight basically equals = Pick a Big Realm, Pick SA, OR, Pick a small realm, pick the losing side. It’s conformity or conflict, because SA is everywhere.
Sextus chose the latter, and I make a point of trying to go for the smaller realms, or those in the big uncertain fights. I am running the realm with the most of the worst base-stat regions on Dwilight afterall.
So yes, me and my friends and realm mates have thrown it all in as a chance to make one of those great BM moments, for the enormity of the conflict, and hopefully for the fantastic RP it will bring. SA might be convenient or interesting for those within it, but it’s a game-killer for many of those outside of it. Its like one realm controlling half the continent. We’ll either change it, or we’ll lose Dwilight. The odds are massively against us and we know it, but that’s half the fun.
It seems everything is already off to an epic start though, thanks to Rowan being all heroic ;) Just remember though; in this fight The League are the good guys, you’re the evil crusading religious fanatics ^^
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Rowan, I’ll PM you the quick RP I did, since you won’t have got it I don’t think(?)
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SA might lose this war lol. People against SA are going all out on this while people in SA are not. :P
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The main point about this War is that literally any realm that isn’t Astroist is auto-excluded on Dwilight, atleast in the North.
In the North, sure. SA has no real hold on anything south, however.
My main point is that SA is too much of an oppressive force unless you want to be part of it, because choice-wise it has so much power and strangle-hold on the continent and there’s not much in the way to avoid it without bowing to it, which is boring. That’s basically how The League Of Free-Nations sees it, but more for the IC actions of SA as reason for the War.
It's one heck of a change from the normal position of religions elsewhere that are generally limited to one or two realms and have not much in the way of influence outside them. And I can assure you that again, what you're saying only holds in the north. Most of the continent is still SA free.
As it stands, Averoth can’t do anything else but fight Astrum and SA, one; for the massively crippling ‘Too Much Peace’ rule, (Something I intend to offer an amendment to as a Game Dev suggestion at some point)
The dev team isn't happy with how TMP works right now, and it's going to be changed. I'm not sure how set Tom is on the last idea discussed, but people suggesting how to make the game better are generally welcomed with open arms.
Dwilight basically equals = Pick a Big Realm, Pick SA, OR, Pick a small realm, pick the losing side. It’s conformity or conflict, because SA is everywhere.
Caerwyn's pretty big. Pian en Luries isn't bad, and was a lot bigger before the last major civil war.
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Well SA has influence i.e. atleast a few members, in:
Astrum, Morek, Corsanctum, Libero, Summerdale, D'Hara, Terran, Pian En Luries.
That leaves:
Caerwyn, Barca, Madina, Fissoa.
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I mean thats pretty much the continent, unless 'the South' stands as "the very south south - the bottom 1/5 of the continent".
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I'm glad to hear the Too Much Peace thing is being adjusted. My suggestion to the Feature Requests might be a bit late coming then.
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Now they're decent, but Caerwyn is still only Two-duchies. Morek is Three, Astrum is 6, etc etc. The power difference makes all the difference.
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My main point is that SA is too much of an oppressive force unless you want to be part of it, because choice-wise it has so much power and strangle-hold on the continent and there’s not much in the way to avoid it without bowing to it, which is boring.
In the north SA is quite powerful it is true, but I think 'strangle-hold' is an overstatement. We are basically powerless south of Corsanctum. Yes we do have a *few* members in Terran, D'Hara, and Asylon, but all those realms are multi-religious and are not by any means under the control of the Church. They freely set their own courses and are actually fairly wary of the Church. Even in the north Averoth existed in peace for a long time without anyone in SA giving it a second thought. Libero Empire and Summerdale also manage their own affairs just fine. Certainly each of them has some members of SA in the realm, but they're not nearly as devoted to the Church as the theocracies are. Averoth provoked SA. If you hadn't (and your reasoning for doing so makes perfect sense), you'd still be at peace.
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Astrum, Morek, Corsanctum, Libero, Summerdale, D'Hara, Terran, Pian En Luries.
That leaves:
Caerwyn, Barca, Madina, Fissoa.
I would bet that Madina and Caerwyn have Astroists among them.
I find your objectives admirable and wish you good luck in your fight. Meanwhile, I have more interesting affairs to manage in Maroccidens, the Land of the Just Republics, the domains of the Véinsørmoot.
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The main point about this War is that literally any realm that isn’t Astroist is auto-excluded on Dwilight, atleast in the North. You have a choice to join the religion, as we did when we kicked the Torenism out of Averoth, or create an alternative that will most likely fly in the face of Astroism, or be used as a means of targeting your realm. Caerwyn has managed through this because its so big, other realms have ‘secular beliefs’, which I just think is messy and too wishy-washy. Instead of any religion, Averoth has put the most focus on intra-realm-RP and ‘culture’ development, the ideology of ‘The Freestate’, of a benevolent tyranny, of social-consent, and a realm lore that basically says “Whoever wins the Rebellion for the Rulership – deserves to be the Ruler”, all backed by Sextus’ twisted and obscure character traits. It’s a very complex mix, something I will at some point try to clarify on the wiki. (I’ve tried countless times, the enormity of it just ends up drowning me, and I haven’t had much time recently.This isn’t really the place for all that.)
My main point is that SA is too much of an oppressive force unless you want to be part of it, because choice-wise it has so much power and strangle-hold on the continent and there’s not much in the way to avoid it without bowing to it, which is boring. That’s basically how The League Of Free-Nations sees it, but more for the IC actions of SA as reason for the War.
To paraphrase Tom back when everyone was complaining about CE being too powerful on Atamara and locking up the island: "If you don't like it, then do something about it." Personally, I'm glad someone finally got the balls to do it. (Both on Atamara *and* Dwilight!)
You see, BattleMaster is not a "fair" game. You have to play fair within the rules and spirit of the game, but that doesn't mean that no matter what, you'll have a chance at "winning" or beating the realm next door in a fight. That's not the way life works. Nor is it the way the game works. BattleMaster is about playing within the framework the game gives you. Sometimes it means you're the bully on the block, sometimes it means you're the kid getting his faced kicked in the dirt. And if you're really lucky, you can stand up, dust yourself off, and kick the bully in the nuts. Just be damned sure you're ready to finish him off before he gets up.
BattleMaster is a persistent state, MMORPG. It isn't Counterstrike, or Quake where equality lies just beyond the next respawn. Nor is it WoW or EverQuest (LevelQuest?) where the game is tailored to provide every player a challenging experience from the first login to the last dollar they Hoover out of your wallet. In BattleMaster, you don't get to have a "fair fight" just because you're a human player. You get to play a fun game with fun people. But that doesn't mean that everyone gets the same deal.
As it stands, Averoth can’t do anything else but fight Astrum and SA, one; for the massively crippling ‘Too Much Peace’ rule, (Something I intend to offer an amendment to as a Game Dev suggestion at some point), two; for massive boredom and three; because quite frankly, to quote a bit of Fight Club, “self-destruction is the answer.” There is no-where to expand, nothing else to do.
Boring? Nothing to do? I thought you said you focused on " ...intra-realm-RP and ‘culture’ development...". That doesn't sound like nothing to me.
At this stage Averoth might as well stop existing because we’ve finished fighting the monsters and building the realm up from a single region of 400 starving peasants. It is essentially ‘game-over’ stagnation, in terms of what the realm can actually do. The RP and ‘realm culture’ is there, the IC options are not. I’ve made a point of running a tournament, as a bit of tradition, every 100 days since Sextus took over even when its been financially crippling, and we’ve had our internal realm fun too. But even that for all its IC worth is superficial.
Wut? Sounds to me like you guys were having a grand old time. If you really have created a unique society in Averoth, the I truly congratulate you. You've managed to do something that very few people actually do. But that doesn't mean that, IC, my character is going to go easy on you. :)
(Oh, and BTW - Nice hit with the lance today. You skewered me pretty damn good. At least I think it was you. All those armored war horses look the same when you're standing in front of the charge. :) )
And, did you ever think to perhaps work *with* the realms around you? You ignored Astrum for a long time. Then all the sudden took a very hostile posture. Just because there are other realms around doesn't mean you need to attack them. Back in the day, the Theocracy of Morek actually had two dominant religions that mostly coexisted: Sanguis Astroism and The Seven. Just because you're not SA doesn't mean you have to place yourself in outright opposition to SA.
Dwilight basically equals = Pick a Big Realm, Pick SA, OR, Pick a small realm, pick the losing side. It’s conformity or conflict, because SA is everywhere.
So yes, me and my friends and realm mates have thrown it all in as a chance to make one of those great BM moments, for the enormity of the conflict, and hopefully for the fantastic RP it will bring. SA might be convenient or interesting for those within it, but it’s a game-killer for many of those outside of it. Its like one realm controlling half the continent. We’ll either change it, or we’ll lose Dwilight. The odds are massively against us and we know it, but that’s half the fun.
Honestly, I am glad you decided to stand up and "fight the good fight". (Even if my character thinks it's the wrong fight.) It's something that very few people in BattleMaster are willing to do.
Rowan, I’ll PM you the quick RP I did, since you won’t have got it I don’t think(?)
When you die, you are supposed to be able to continue receiving messages until you delete your character. A bug in the new wounding system prevented him from being able to do that, though.
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I would bet that Madina and Caerwyn have Astroists among them.
There is at least one Madinan in SA. My character thinks he's a spy, and has in the past petitioned to have him thrown out. Either that, or demand that he build a temple, since he's a lord. :)
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Well SA has influence i.e. atleast a few members, in:
Astrum, Morek, Corsanctum, Libero, Summerdale, D'Hara, Terran, Pian En Luries.
I beg your pardon, but SA has no influence in Pian en Luries. I don't even know for sure that they have any noble members here, and at most they have, say, a few hundred peasant followers.
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Sometimes it means you're the bully on the block, sometimes it means you're the kid getting his faced kicked in the dirt. And if you're really lucky, you can stand up, dust yourself off, and kick the bully in the nuts. Just be damned sure you're ready to finish him off before he gets up.
Or, body slam him, acquire YouTube fame, and be a hero for all of time.
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Or, body slam him, acquire YouTube fame, and be a hero for all of time.
Hahahaha, that was all over the news in Australia ;D
As for SA influence in the south, Timothy said it before me. What SA influence in the south? There isn't any.
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Indeed, two of our three Dukes are SA in Terran, however the SA Church has little influence in actual Terran policy. Most in Terran are fairly wary of SA.
SA's influence is really delegated to the north and that's bout it.
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Oddly enough, though two of our three dukes are SA... I think we may only have 3 or 4 Astroists in the whole realm, if that.
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Oddly enough, though two of our three dukes are SA... I think we may only have 3 or 4 Astroists in the whole realm, if that.
Indeed. I only know of those two, actually.
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Which is my point. I think our reach is drastically overstated. Caerwyn, Terran and Asylon have all closed down temples. A Madinan infiltrator once stabbed Allison at a time when she was highly influential in the Church. Sure, there was at least a little outrage over most of these events, but what could we do about it? In the end we did nothing, as there has nothing we could do. SA is far from all powerful. In many ways we're simply a powerful alliance bloc just like the CE bloc on Atamara. We're hard to challenge in our backyard, but a non-factor outside of it. Though it seems the fight has now been brought to our backyard.
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... two of our three Dukes are SA in Terran, however the SA Church has little influence in actual Terran policy.
There's a reason for that; SA isn't actually trying to take over the world!
Terran's SA dukes have been given no orders that I know of, secret or overt, to try and influence its policy in SA's favour. I imagine they're probably pro-SA since they're SA, but that's as far as it goes. SA is perfectly happy to share; as someone pointed out, even Morek had two religions for a while. The Order of the Seven didn't die out because we crushed it, it died out because it had nowhere to expand and the leaders consequently lost interest (or so the founder told me before her character converted to SA).
Still, it's all about perception, and people think SA is a vicious brute. I think this is going to do SA a lot of good. We've had so much infighting and politicking because we had few external enemies. This war may just heal many of those internal rifts, making SA stronger than ever before. Which would be nice.
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True. Hope this will reduce the number of messages we get everyday lol. I don't even read them anymore. I am actually surprised people in SA haven't killed each other.
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Well, seems like Madina is not having her day with this War. No passage rights through D'Hara, no passage rights through Terran and now their namesake City doesn't even fly their banner any more. Or is this some ultimate ploy to get the Madinan Duke out? ;)
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Or is this some ultimate ploy to get the Madinan Duke out? ;)
Well done, you are going through to the next round for the refrigerator 8)
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Well done, you are going through to the next round for the refrigerator 8)
I do not understand this.
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Seems a bit... shameful, to have to rely on peasants do your job, eh ;)
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Well done, you are going through to the next round for the refrigerator 8)
Hehe, well, you should be more careful next time, handing over your City to your former enemies like that. It's now in the past, but it's certainly tempting to have Madina under our control now. ;)
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The SA temple in Asylon still stands in Vakreno heaps, the one built in the capital was torn down as our constitution only allows VE precedence in the capital as the founding religion. Outside the capital religion is determined by the local lord. I am the lord of Vakreno and chose to build the temple there to help with certain things.
Asylon is also going to get a lot more crowded on the religion front... But, that is as far as I can say right now.
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Hehe, well, you should be more careful next time, handing over your City to your former enemies like that. It's now in the past, but it's certainly tempting to have Madina under our control now. ;)
What do you mean in the past? for lots of Madinans, Paisly is still in the rightful claim of certain characters, it's just that D'hara defended it well and deported the most important claim holder.
And no way D'hara can hold Madina or feed her for more than a few days. ;)
It's been one of the most desperate atempts, but this one finally worked :P
In Madina, the land is ruled by it's owners and the goverment practicly by the governor of Madina.
As the biggest property, the Governor of Madina is the prime movement behind the realm.
A change in governor of Madina is thusly much more of impact on the realm and it's suroundings then a change of goverment members.
There will certainly be lots of exiting developments everywhere in Dwilight, i looking forward for all of them.
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Ruler Elected (just in)
The realm of Astrum has elected Brance Indirik as its Vasilif.
He received 41% of the valid votes cast.
This will be fun :D
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Ruler Elected (just in)
The realm of Astrum has elected Brance Indirik as its Vasilif.
He received 41% of the valid votes cast.
This will be fun :D
The !@#$ has officially hit the fan.
8)
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Is there reason for concern?
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For Caerwyn there is. By the time this war is over, they'll be begging to be allowed to keep Via as their capital. 8)
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lol good one Indirik. If SA wins this war, we will be seeing more realms converting :)
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Allison crossed into Astrum territory. Can't wait to lay the smack down on some of those heathens from Caerwyn
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Allison crossed into Astrum territory. Can't wait to lay the smack down on some of those heathens from Caerwyn
Can't wait to actually see Astrum do something smart in this war so far. :P I wonder when they realize how hard it is to fight a two-front war and what a great position Caerwyn if it comes to a defensive war.
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Considering the experience of some of the Astrum players, I'm sure they already realise that. That said several realms have fought and won wars on more then 2 fronts before, its a hard situation, but certainly doable.
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Can't wait to actually see Astrum do something smart in this war so far. :P I wonder when they realize how hard it is to fight a two-front war and what a great position Caerwyn if it comes to a defensive war.
I'm hoping this arrogance is from a character perspective because the forces that will be arrayed against Caerwyn will be nothing short of a shock and awe campaign (to steal a line from Donny Rumsfeld). Readying the war machine takes time in massive realm(s), but as soon as she begins to pump and billow smoke it is truly something to be feared.
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Can't wait to actually see Astrum do something smart in this war so far. :P
Oh come on, we got jumped from behind by a sneak attack, while facing a surprise 12K CS army on the other side of our realm, where we expected only 9K. What did you expect, instant reaction from a 20K CS reserve army?
I wonder when they realize how hard it is to fight a two-front war and what a great position Caerwyn if it comes to a defensive war.
OK, do you really think that everyone is Astrum is stupid, and has never fought a war before? Seriously, you're starting to go a bit far with this OOC trash talk.
And besides, what makes you think this will be a two-front war for very long?
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Yes, indeed Astrum bent over backwards which she should not have done. Dang I am trapped in the city with only 2 other nobles lol.
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Can't wait to actually see Astrum do something smart in this war so far. :P I wonder when they realize how hard it is to fight a two-front war and what a great position Caerwyn if it comes to a defensive war.
What makes you think it will stay a two front war?
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I hope you realize Astrum has allies?
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what a great position Caerwyn if it comes to a defensive war.
Err.... I'm gonna go ahead and say you're wrong on that. The current frontier is 4 regions from your capital, 2 from theirs. They have 2 cities close to the frontlines where they can repair and cash bonds; you have a townsland.
Taking Duil was certainly a good start for ya'll... but you better take Chrysantalys pretty fast.
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Caerywn cannot access our northern regions unless they go through Eidulb Outskirts or through monster infested mountains. Good lucky with going over EO with 8k CS.
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Err.... I'm gonna go ahead and say you're wrong on that.
I wasn't going to correct his misinformed ideas. Now you've gone and spoiled it. :(
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Oh come on, we got jumped from behind by a sneak attack, while facing a surprise 12K CS army on the other side of our realm, where we expected only 9K. What did you expect, instant reaction from a 20K CS reserve army?
OK, do you really think that everyone is Astrum is stupid, and has never fought a war before? Seriously, you're starting to go a bit far with this OOC trash talk.
And besides, what makes you think this will be a two-front war for very long?
I apologize for my rude attitude, but you and your friends were trash-talking Caerwyn a bunch earlier. You called us liars and that we fabricated wars. If you don't want to hear the !@#$ then don't shovel it out. Though at least I have the guts to admit I'm wrong. I know we're all passionate about our realms, but drop the attitudes and I shall as well? I was hoping this would just turn into a nice chat but instead it's more like a bitch-fight between us.
Another thing I'd like to add is that you Astrumites are also being arrogant in the whole "who said it was gonna be a two-front war for long?" Sure if you get rid of Averoth soon it will be easier for Astrum and her allies to fight us. But the nobles from Averoth are also very well organized like you have seen and I would hope that majority of them join Caerwyn as we would be the best chance to continue to the fight. It would enable us to take Via, Lower Via, Kid's Rock, and other regions.
So how about we be nice? Yeah? I am sorry for my comment earlier, in was unintended to be rude.
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We just need to remind ourselves losing your realm is not the end of the world.
People just need to be cool in ooc :)
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We just need to remind ourselves losing your realm is not the end of the world.
People just need to be cool in ooc :)
Yeah, I have been trying to say this for a while.
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That's the way BM works, you win some, you lose some. If Caerwyn dies then I can finally go to PeL and try to get a following to create a colony ;D
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Well if Astrum loses, I am gonna go to southern realms and join one of smaller ones. I am actually a bit tired of playing in a big realm :( Never had a chance to play in a tiny realm.
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That's the way BM works, you win some, you lose some. If Caerwyn dies then I can finally go to PeL and try to get a following to create a colony ;D
Why go to PeL for colonization? In Madina, a citizens right to colonize is written in the very constitution! all you need is your liege consensus. ;)
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Why go to PeL for colonization? In Madina, a citizens right to colonize is written in the very constitution! all you need is your liege consensus. ;)
Very interesting! I'll that in mind when or if the time comes. Though the reason I would choose PeL is because they are closer to Shinnen and Swallowwown.. perhaps even Balance's Retreat while Madina is quite far away from it all.
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Very interesting! I'll that in mind when or if the time comes. Though the reason I would choose PeL is because they are closer to Shinnen and Swallowwown.. perhaps even Balance's Retreat while Madina is quite far away from it all.
PeL are already preparing to launch a colony. I doubt they would have the resources to do so again anytime soon unless you can bring a big influx of nobles with you. Also those areas, are absolutely crawling with rogue. It would certainly be difficult to establish there.
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PeL are already preparing to launch a colony. I doubt they would have the resources to do so again anytime soon unless you can bring a big influx of nobles with you. Also those areas, are absolutely crawling with rogue. It would certainly be difficult to establish there.
;) I didn't say Madina would do anything as a nation to support such a colony atempt....
As we have seen before, a colony can only surivive with lots of funds and constant military support from atleast one realm for the first month or so.
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;) I didn't say Madina would do anything as a nation to support such a colony atempt....
As we have seen before, a colony can only surivive with lots of funds and constant military support from atleast one realm for the first month or so.
Pian en Luries, on the other hand, would be happy to help you establish a colony, and support it with its full force, provided you can a) supply enough nobles to populate it without depopulating Pian, and b) swear allegiance to Pian en Luries as a member of the Lurian Empire ;D
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;) I didn't say Madina would do anything as a nation to support such a colony atempt....
As we have seen before, a colony can only surivive with lots of funds and constant military support from atleast one realm for the first month or so.
Bah, the original Thulsoma was founded by a mere two men, with 200 gold, and barely enough men for a takeover and surrounded by hordes of monsters and survived until we chose to abandon the nation months later, stronger and more powerful than any other nation in the extreme north. The nations and men of other nations are soft, their nobles pampered by entitlement... Real men, take up sword and found kingdoms through brute personality alone.
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Bah, the original Thulsoma was founded by a mere two men, with 200 gold, and barely enough men for a takeover and surrounded by hordes of monsters...
And eventually failed because it was overrun by monsters.
Yes, anyone with enough men under their command *can* start a colony. To be a successful long-term colony these days takes a lot of support. It was a lot different back in the days when realms like Caerwyn and Astrum were founded. Nobles were more abundant because there were less realms to choose from. The monsters hadn't quite hit the raging hordes they are now. (Although they did occasionally spike to even worse levels in the intervening years, to the point where Tom had to manually reduce them and adjust spawning.)
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Bah, the original Thulsoma was founded by a mere two men, with 200 gold, and barely enough men for a takeover and surrounded by hordes of monsters and survived until we chose to abandon the nation months later, stronger and more powerful than any other nation in the extreme north. The nations and men of other nations are soft, their nobles pampered by entitlement... Real men, take up sword and found kingdoms through brute personality alone.
Aye! Just like Madina is founded!
Unfortunately one man's brute personality is not enough against hundreds of teeth and claws...
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Aye, they also need impeccable good looks. 8)
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Aye, they also need impeccable good looks. 8)
Your character runs around half-naked in a bear pelt.
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Its actually fake bear fur... I am a softy at heart.
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Its actually fake bear fur... I am a softy at harte
hehe :P
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hehehe
Varchilde really respects Glaumring on many levels, including his ability to live inside that damned bearskin without being eaten alive by fleas!
Seriously, this war is a new and excellent piece of entertainment, regardless of any possible 'power gaming' attitudes that may have been worked into it.
Imagine Varchilde's surprise, however, when she abdicates her position as one of the three Lights of the Church and gives up her priestly robes in order to command a military unit (for the first time in game-years) and help with the revival of an old and fallen colony in the west- only to find that the realm she has joined to make that colony has been surprise attacked by their closest trading partners and neighbors while she was en route! And this was only the prelude to all-out war being called against all realms by the majority of the Southlanders!
And, as if more excitement was needed, she had barely gotten to the far side of Morek when one of the Duchesses there called a rebellion and seceded her Duchy away from the realm, causing some SERIOUS discussion about 'loyalties' and Honor, I can tell you all.
Var had to walk away from her realm as it was being torn apart and walk into a new one while IT was, in turn, being ripped to shreds by a combination of surprise attacks from two neighbors and hordes of monsters invading from the West.
An interesting start to her new life in Astrum, for sure.
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I can't wait for the Baal/Allison confrontation.
Caerwyn has been out-maneuvered politically. Now all we have to do is follow through and crush them militarily.
When this is all over and SA colonizes Golden Farrow, we will be the unquestioned masters of Dwilight.
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I can't wait for the Baal/Allison confrontation.
Caerwyn has been out-maneuvered politically. Now all we have to do is follow through and crush them militarily.
When this is all over and SA colonizes Golden Farrow, we will be the unquestioned masters of Dwilight.
How did Caerwyn get out-maneuvered politically? I'm pretty sure majority of the realms of Dwilight are on our side and the only ones who aren't were the realms we declared war on ::)
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How did Caerwyn get out-maneuvered politically? I'm pretty sure majority of the realms of Dwilight are on our side and the only ones who aren't were the realms we declared war on ::)
Because they were effectively goaded into a war against the largest powers on Dwilight and will end up losing their entire realm over it.
All those other realms? Words only go so far.
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I expected more of southern realms would join the war. But apparently Madina is having her own internal problem and realms like D'Hara and others are just not interested. Summerdale and LE will probably join Morek and attack Averoth and Caerwyn will be facing Astrum and Corsanctum. It is still interesting but a bit disappointing at the same time.
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I can't wait for the Baal/Allison confrontation.
Caerwyn has been out-maneuvered politically. Now all we have to do is follow through and crush them militarily.
When this is all over and SA colonizes Golden Farrow, we will be the unquestioned masters of Dwilight.
/me shakes his head.
Such impertinence is unsightly.
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It takes a lot to destroy a realm, especially one the size of Caerwyn. I'd take a guess that this war won't be over for at least 6+ months. Golden Farrow is going to be very hard to TO as the city can support over 20k militia and it has level 5 walls.
Don't get too arrogant, Astrum, it has been the downfall of many realms.
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Don't get too arrogant, Astrum, it has been the downfall of many realms.
That's not Astrum, that's Allison:codename arrogance. That's just how she is build :D
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Caerwyn will be a very tough nut to crack, of that I have no doubt. I try to be optimistic. The next months will be bloody...
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Long nasty war indeed. Should be fun to watch.
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This will not be a short war, that's for sure. I think astrum and caerwyn would be a good match. Astrum has an immensely better defensive setup though. But with attackers north and south, that's hard to defend. But then Astrum has allies that can actually send troops. A good match, I think.
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Don't worry Astrum, when Asylons fifth column of 2 Astroists awaken we will attack Caerwyn from behind and take some of the pressure off your push. I am joking by the way... I wish I wasn't.
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5th Column ;D V is a good show. I should find them and catch up. I only watched the first season
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5th Column ;D V is a good show. I should find them and catch up. I only watched the first season
Sadly I don't get the new V out here and I haven't downloaded it :(
I was referencing the 5th column of WWII when the Americans worried the Japanese Americans inside America would rise up.
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Something I noticed recently is that Astrum keeps the powerful positions in a small sect of nobles. Ysgarren who once was the Vasilif is now a Duke, their Judge is also Duke of Gelene after Rowan used to be. Brance, the new ruler, is Duke of that city on the island. Their General is Duke of Chrysantalys.. hmm maybe I can build on this and get something going 8)
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One of the perks of a theocracy is that a ruler can appoint themselves as duke. This has happened a couple times, with both Rowan and Ysgarren. I *think* Alexandria had planned to appoint herself somewhere, too.
Other than that, all of our government positions are elected. You can't blame the people in power for continuing to get elected to their offices. It's the entire nobility of the realm that elect the council. If they want to keep electing the same group of people, then they will. For example, Brance got wounded in the same battle that killed Rowan, the former ruler. Two people announced they were running before Brance recovered. As soon as Brance recovered and announced his candidacy, one of the other candidates immediately withdrew. Brance won in a landslide, with less than 24 hours for the realm to set their votes to him. Is it Brance's fault that the realm wanted him to win?
As for Gelene, that was a bit of a "Hurry up and appoint NOW!" situation. After Duke/Vasilif Rowan was killed, a rogue SA priest drove the only knight of the region out of his estate and it started to go down hill fast. I needed a duke NOW to get the region back under control. It just so happened that Melania and I were the only ones around. Poof, instant duchess. Not that I think Melania is a bad choice. She's actually a good choice. I just didn't have time to do a realm-wide search, then wait for the candidate to travel to Gelene, while trying to fight a war. So I had a noble whop was suitable, close, and willing.
And, really, this kind of thing is not all that unusual. The people that tend to stick around and make themselves noticed are those that tend to get elected and appointed. And as I have mentioned before, those that are willing to step forward and take up the positions are those that will get them. Melania volunteered herself, so I accepted. I did have one other volunteer, but it wasn't until after I had already accepted Melania's offer.
IMO, I think this is really one of the keys to getting duchies, and positions in general: Knowing when to put your name forward. You have to actually put yourself in the spotlight and make your name known. It's all about name recognition. It is very rare for a quiet, unknown noble to get a lordship, let along a duchy or council position. If it comes open, volunteer. If an election comes up, run for office and make your speech. Take part in realm-wide debates. Become a marshal. Try to get on realm councils.
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I'm not trying to belittle your choice of power. I'm just saying that some of your nobility may view it has overpowerful and could be manipulated that way.. why am I telling you this.. ??? whatever, it's all in good spirit.
I have yet to become a Duke after 2.5 years of playing this game but I'm sure there are plenty of others who have been playing longer and haven't had the chance yet, either. I'm close to Dukeship with two of my characters: Clarence Harte of Ibladesh (Priest, Marshal, and Marquess) and Hyperion (Judge, Marshal). It's more likely I will become Duke with Clarence before Hyperion as Dukeships in Ibladesh are based off of dedication to the Church and are appointed by the ruler versus Hyperion who would have to be voted in by the nobility. Of course, that wouldn't be too hard as he has been able to secure Judgeship at an early age and held it after a few opponents stepped up.
Anyways, I'm guessing that the Gaston-succession will wait until the war is over before hoping to expand to Darfix?
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I have yet to become a Duke after 2.5 years of playing this game but I'm sure there are plenty of others who have been playing longer and haven't had the chance yet, either.
It took me almost exactly two years to get my first duchy. They are hard to come by, no doubt. But that's also why they are so highly valued. Any old noble can eventually get elected as a ruler somewhere. But you've got to actual be someone to get a duchy. :) Or really lucky.
Anyways, I'm guessing that the Gaston-succession will wait until the war is over before hoping to expand to Darfix?
You'll have to wait and see. :-X
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It took me almost exactly two years to get my first duchy. They are hard to come by, no doubt. But that's also why they are so highly valued. Any old noble can eventually get elected as a ruler somewhere. But you've got to actual be someone to get a duchy. :) Or really lucky.
You'll have to wait and see. :-X
That's not exactly true. All you have to do is such up to the Ice Queen in Pian en Luries and you could easily get a Dukeship. It worked for SOOOO many people its uncanny. Then again, it is perhaps one of the worst places to be Duke due to the Ruler of the realm. That at least seems to be over for now though.
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I thought the queen resigned?
Well I just got demoted to vice marshal :(
I hated the defenders :( Had only 3 people to lead. Horrible times.
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Marshal/VP isn't very fun anyways. I've been Marshal so many times.. I usually get stuck with the job because I'm so active.. plus it's the maintance armies which are even more boring :P Gets me extra brownie points with the nobility at least :-\
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True. Being a marshal isn't very fun. When I play my char in Sirion, I have to order people in the morning because the marshal lives in the other side of the planet to order things. (he has to sleep too)
I misorder the army sometimes :( well at least there are 6 people who would fix my mistakes there. :)
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Marshal/VP isn't very fun anyways. I've been Marshal so many times.. I usually get stuck with the job because I'm so active.. plus it's the maintance armies which are even more boring :P Gets me extra brownie points with the nobility at least :-\
Marshal is a stepping stone to greater places. Most marshals I've seen have gone on to be lords, and gain council positions. Both of my dukes started out as marshals and worked their way up. Dukeship is partially about luck though, but also there is a part about making the right friends, and not making the wrong enemies.
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Marshal is a stepping stone to greater places. Most marshals I've seen have gone on to be lords, and gain council positions. Both of my dukes started out as marshals and worked their way up. Dukeship is partially about luck though, but also there is a part about making the right friends, and not making the wrong enemies.
Oh for sure. It's a great stepping stone, but I should have commented that the Marshalships I hold are with characters that were already lords and in the higher councils. Granted I put my name forward for one of them, now I regret it and no one else wants to become a Marshal. Even for some of our fighting armies no one is stepping up (in Ibladesh). Oh well, we're still winning the war.. kind of..
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People are just being shy :) Give them some gentle taps at the back before you push them off the cliff. Just pick a trusty noble to be a marshal if no one wants it.
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Indeed, the marshal position has to be one of the most demanding positions to have in the game. I suppose General can be demanding too if you play a very controlling and micro-managing General. But for sure, playing a good (read: active) marshal is perhaps one of the best ways to gain recognition and favor in your realm to propel you to better things.
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Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Valkyrja:
Astrum, Corsanctum, Morek Empire, Summerdale vs. Averoth
Estimated strengths: 3110 men vs. 1480 men
The Defenders of the Blood Stars (Astrum), sponsored by Sir Brance Indirik, Vasilif of Astrum, Duke of Libidizedd, Marshal of the Austere Order, were led into battle by Marshal Allison Kabrinski.
The Austere Order (Astrum), sponsored by Ysgarren Addonwy, Duke of Eidulb, were led into battle by Marshal Brance Indirik.
The Warders of Corsanctum (Corsanctum), sponsored by Medugnatos Stormcrow, Regent of Corsanctum, Duke of Mimer, were led into battle by Marshal Aegnor Noldorin.
The I Dalian Army (Summerdale), sponsored by Joash Hamarson, King of Summerdale, Duke of Nifelheim, were led into battle by Marshal Perrin Aybara.
The Valkyrja'n Guard (Averoth), sponsored by Sextus Severus of the Scipii, Arkh-Kommandant of Averoth, Duke of Valkyrja, Marshal of the Redcloaks, were led into battle by Marshal Reece Cordon-D'Anerville.
The Redcloaks (Averoth), sponsored by Sextus Severus of the Scipii, Arkh-Kommandant of Averoth, Duke of Valkyrja, Marshal of the Redcloaks, were led into battle by Marshal Sextus Severus of the Scipii.
The Order of the Auspicious Star (Morek Empire), sponsored by Francois de Leon, Duke of Donghaiwei, were led into battle by Marshal Masaharu Hayabusa.
The Order of the Maddening Star (Morek Empire), sponsored by Sir Bustoarsenzio Peristaltico, Grandmaster of Morek Empire, Duke of Muspelheim, Marshal of the Order of the Maddening Star, were led into battle by Marshal Bustoarsenzio Peristaltico.
Sextus Severus of the Scipii, Arkh-Kommandant of Averoth, Duke of Valkyrja, Marshal of the Redcloaks is spotted reading from the Astonishing Book of Betrayed Heroes.
Allison Kabrinski, Marshal of the Defenders of the Blood Stars is spotted wearing the Old Armour of the Maiden.
Sir Bustoarsenzio Peristaltico, Grandmaster of Morek Empire, Duke of Muspelheim, Marshal of the Order of the Maddening Star is spotted wearing the Hinmi's Plate Mail of Protection.
Allison Kabrinski, Marshal of the Defenders of the Blood Stars is spotted wielding the Mysterious Club.
Charlotte Grancourt (Royal of Summerdale) was captured by Alyssa Chambers's unit.
Amalie Everland, Royal Treasurer of Summerdale, Viscountess of Storms End was captured by Torrid the Short's unit.
Oliver Smurton, Vault-Kommandant of Averoth was captured by Samos Mithridates's unit.
Kyp Duron (Knight of Nidhogg's Mark, Morek Empire) was captured by Ambrosius Aurelianus Brythonic's unit.
Arya Stryfe (Noble of Averoth) was seriously wounded by Kenshin Blackwood's unit.
Attacker Victory!
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Would love to see the battle report for that sucker.
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Would love to see the battle report for that sucker.
[Scribe:156189|7744b2f3d039d6fc] Battle in Valkyrja
Preview it with a Dwi char.
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55 attackers (2160 Inf, 590 Arch, 39 Cav, 149 SF)
46 defenders (736 Inf, 194 MI, 70 Arch, 206 Cav)
Total combat strengths: 31340 vs. 15943
And with 72 siege engines at the citadel, great! Nice battle.
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with more archers, averoth might have had a better chance i think.
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I disagree, they should have had more infantry and less cavalry.
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Well they shouldn't have placed themselves in a position to face armies from 4 realms at once.
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Bah.... LE didn't show up at the battle. :(
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Why did Averoth have so much cavalry?
That seems like a very foolish choice for defending a fortress.
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Why did Averoth have so much cavalry?
That seems like a very foolish choice for defending a fortress.
Perhaps they needed something for a fast getaway?
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All I know is, my men had fun (at least the ones who didn't die...).
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Perhaps they needed something for a fast getaway?
Nice.
They don't have good infantry centers - they DO have an exceedingly nasty cavalry center though - 95/60. Their infantry on the other hand are 55/55 and 55/70. I have no idea what size those centers are, but for punch they needed cavalry. Also, keep in mind that the Averothian army was built for campaigning in the field. They *did* need more infantry, certainly, but I assume they had the biggest army they could afford. Disbanding existing powerful cavalry units to replace them with infantry doesn't seem like a good use of limited resources. Besides, the cavalry charge did push us off the walls for one turn.
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Bah.... LE didn't show up at the battle. :(
We were just having too much fun on Mother's Day.
I spent mine at the Emergency Department of my local hospital with a screaming 2 year old. :(
She sounded a lot like those defeated Averothians.
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She sounded a lot like those defeated Averothians.
HAHA nice!
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Ah, I guess Averothians have healthy lungs then. The northern air can be quite refreshing I guess.
So let me revise: Averoth shouldn't have gotten themselves in a 5 on 1 war.
And I have noticed that Haruka Vanimedle' (The apostrophe at the end is not a typo! It's a...Klingon name or something?) is no longer on Dwilight. Why haven't I heard a "Good riddance" from people in LE or something?
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I didn't even realize she was gone. After Thulsoma was destroyed I quit paying any attention to her.
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Ah, I guess Averothians have healthy lungs then. The northern air can be quite refreshing I guess.
So let me revise: Averoth shouldn't have gotten themselves in a 5 on 1 war.
And I have noticed that Haruka Vanimedle' (The apostrophe at the end is not a typo! It's a...Klingon name or something?) is no longer on Dwilight. Why haven't I heard a "Good riddance" from people in LE or something?
He uses the ' because one of his previous families was Vanimedle, so I believe he can't reuse that name.
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If anyone is interested, this is the battle report of Valkyrja.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Siege_of_Valkyrja
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And I have noticed that Haruka Vanimedle' (The apostrophe at the end is not a typo! It's a...Klingon name or something?) is no longer on Dwilight. Why haven't I heard a "Good riddance" from people in LE or something?
I think the character is paused.
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They don't have good infantry centers - they DO have an exceedingly nasty cavalry center though - 95/60. Their infantry on the other hand are 55/55 and 55/70. I have no idea what size those centers are, but for punch they needed cavalry.
Well, here are some of them"
Recruitment Center breaking down (7 hours, 38 minutes ago)
The Infantry recruitment center for "Cordon-D'Anerville's HonourGuard" in Valkyrja is suffering from a lack of maintenance and parts of it have fallen into disrepair. Its effective size has dropped to 2.
Recruitment Center breaking down (7 hours, 38 minutes ago)
The Mixed Infantry recruitment center for "Valkyrja'n Guards" in Valkyrja has broken down due to lack of maintenance and repairs.
Recruitment Center breaking down (7 hours, 38 minutes ago)
The Cavalry recruitment center for "Valkyrja'n Hussars" in Valkyrja is suffering from a lack of maintenance and parts of it have fallen into disrepair. Its effective size has dropped to 1.
Recruitment Center breaking down (7 hours, 38 minutes ago)
The Infantry recruitment center for "Valkyrja'n Line Infantry" in Valkyrja has broken down due to lack of maintenance and repairs.
That leaves them one middle-of-the-road infantry center, one cruddy MI (high training, low weapons], and two nice cavalry centers.
Also, keep in mind that the Averothian army was built for campaigning in the field. They *did* need more infantry, certainly, but I assume they had the biggest army they could afford. Disbanding existing powerful cavalry units to replace them with infantry doesn't seem like a good use of limited resources. Besides, the cavalry charge did push us off the walls for one turn.
I can attest to the fact that the Averothian army was devastating in the field. Lots of nobles with smallish units, extremely high cohesion and reliability. A dangerous enemy in the military sense.
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More broadly, I think this spells the beginning of the end for the anti-SA alliance. Astrum did indeed have a very difficult time sustaining a three-front war (monsters included), as predicted by some. However, Astrum's enemies did not exploit this to the necessary extent to permanently swing the momentum of the war, and now it looks like things are about to swing decisively the other way.
Talk about 'waking the giant'.
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If I was an Averothian, I would join Caerwyn and continue my vendetta against the stars. Imagine if everyone would do that. Makes Caerwyn a lot stronger, while Corsanctum and Morek have long travel times to reach the front lines of Caerwyn. Interesting.. ;)
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If I was an Averothian, I would join Caerwyn and continue my vendetta against the stars. Imagine if everyone would do that. Makes Caerwyn a lot stronger, while Corsanctum and Morek have long travel times to reach the front lines of Caerwyn. Interesting.. ;)
it sure is, i think the most exciting war of 'modern bm'! :P
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Baal makes me chuckle ;D
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bah, was inprisoned after the second round...
Going basicly alone against the whole SA army was fun!
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Mreh, even if every noble of Averoth eventually joins Caerwyn (I say eventually because they have to make it there through Astrum first - not an easy thing), that will just even things up.
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I would say the same in your position. Although, alone you would not have been able to take on Averoth, Caerwyn and the rogue forces. The rogue forces aren't going away, so you still have to defend your north-western border. While Caerwyn has few nobles compared to its size, so they can easily maintain another 40 nobles. It will increase their army, and their home regions will be better maintained to provide more resources to fight with.
After the "Golden Farrow will be next" talk, I think you might have underestimated your opponents.
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:) Golden Farrow is next.
Why would we let Caerwyn remain strong after what they did? Even if they got 40 more nobles that won't necessarily help them. Can their military infrastructure handle that? Do they have the RC capacity to outfit that many more nobles?
Another thing you have to understand is that Astrum didn't even send all of its forces to the battle in Valkyrja. We left an army defending the North West and we left an army defending the south.
The best I saw Caerwyn field was 8,000 CS mobile. Doubling their nobles /might/ double their CS. Unfortunately for them they don't have level 7 walls to hide behind like Thulsoma and Averoth. Once SA is able to get an army into their rurals it will be the beginning of the end. Economic Warfare! On Dwilight, food is vital. More so than other continents. If they lose a rural or two from monsters, or they let us slip an army past them and we can loot their food then GF starts to starve.
I think starvation has killed more realms on Dwilight than everything else combined. I haven't kept track, but that is my best guess.
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alone you would not have been able to take on Averoth, Caerwyn and the rogue forces.
That's why we have allies. Allies that are actually close enough to us to be able to support us. An ally on the other side of the continent isn't exactly useful.
After the "Golden Farrow will be next" talk, I think you might have underestimated your opponents.
Actually, I think our opponents underestimated us.
This will probably be a difficult war for both sides. Caerwyn may eventually get more nobles from the demise of Averoth. But they still have a very daunting task ahead of them, trying to break through Astrum's wall of walls. Astrum has lots of rurals to burn down, but an entire northern border to defend against monsters.
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It's too bad cannibalism wasn't one of the options to stave off hunger... Literally devouring your own population...muahhahah 8)
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Maybe that is how Sallowtown can be viable! They could raid with Caravans. Instead of adding food to the caravans they get 1 "Food" per peasant killed. Would be really funny and interesting. It will never happen, but the idea is intriguing.
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Were all of the battles in Valkyrja "Huge Battles" reported to the rest of Dwilight? Or was it just the first one?
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Just the first one. After the first one, Averoth lost 70% of their units and SA side gained more CS from reinforcements.
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Whats the current noble death count for Averoth now? They seem to lost a whole bunch of nobles in the battles.
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http://battlemaster.org/statistics/realmstat.php?ShowWorld=8&Type=PlayersActive&simple=0&ShowOnly=26
I don't know if that will work externally, however Averoth is down from the 50 active nobles it had on 4/15 to it's lowest point of 36 on 5/9. Amazingly enough, nobles seem to be returning to the single region realm, there are currently 42 nobles.
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I don't think that too many of them actually got killed in battle. I know that I saw one. There may have been more. Averoth lost many nobles before the first battle ever happened. Slow leakage of players to other places?
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Looks like four:
Phil Drake (Lord of Averoth) has been killed by Maddening Star First Battalion (42).
Alex Coulton Hoxcroft (Noble of Averoth) has been killed by Black Sun Guard (9).
Danimsir Azul (Knight of Valkyrja, Averoth) has been killed by Skadi Guardians (48).
Ambrosius Aurelianus Brythonic (Noble of Averoth) has been killed by Ternathian Marines (36).
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Wow. That's quite a few.
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I love how everyone here is so sure of what will happen. It's BattleMaster... there are always upsets that evtually turn up. Sure this war will keep going, but honestly, who knows who will come out on top? You talk about you realm as if you own it, you dont. Each realm is made up of her players and her players are who decides the outcome of wars and whatever events arise. Seeing as there are only a few from each realm to vie against each other I can quickly summarize these are the ideals you hope to see your realm achieve.
Although I fight for Caerwyn, I truly couldn't care less which realm wins. My character was never intended to be anti-religious and rather only pro-destruction. As I have seen, many players are vulnerable to greed and other of those "sins", players in high places among both realms and all realms. Since this is all a story and game anyways, who truly knows how one player will use the power their character holds? This war could be over next week for all anyone knows, although the probability is very minuscule.
Now continue on your little charade of predicting the future of BM and how this war will turn out. I've had my two cents for now..
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Now continue on your little charade of predicting the future of BM and how this war will turn out. I've had my two cents for now..
I don't think it's a charade, I think people are just having fun predicting what will happen. Playing another game.
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Now continue on your little charade of predicting the future of BM and how this war will turn out. I've had my two cents for now..
Weren't you the one who kept predicting Perdan/Caligus would get their asses kicked on EC? :P
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I think the fact that Spring has come to Dwilight, Astrum has sent a large army north to crush Averoth and I have not heard of a large assault in the south from Caerwyn speaks volumes for how this conflict will progress.
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People say one thing when they lose and one thing when they win... The fact is Caerwyn started the war, looted raped and pillaged and is going to lose this war and a lot of you guys are going to throw some pretty big hissy fits when it happens.
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Caerwyn will be a tough one to defeat and Astrum suffered a lot during this war. It might take a bit of time until Astrum is ready to fight Caerwyn. But with allies like Morek and Corsanctum, Astrum won't be losing for sure :)
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I am pleasantly surprised by how much Corsanctum sent to help Astrum. I had not expected that. It seems as if Corsanctum is turning themselves around lately.
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Corsanctum only has 1 region on the border of the wilderness. That let them protect what they had so it could grow. If Corsanctum could ever expand to Unterstrom their realm would be a mirror of Morek.
I do agree though. I was pleasantly surprised. I think we can expect some good things from Corsanctum.
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There is no OOC Clan in Thulsoma (I don't know why so many people get that impression) any misinformation and propaganda spread by Thulsoma, is done by careful networking and spies. But yeah, Thulsoma has been the progenitor for a lot of anti SA propaganda in just about every non SA realm. Of course, it all comes to fruition after we lose Storms Keep. That said, the massive continental war we've ginned up, and the League Of Free Nations should be epic, and anyone who underestimates Madina's coming involvement shall be surprised.
This is where I last read this topic. Makes me lol.
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Gasp! :o A necromancer! Get him boys!
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Weren't you the one who kept predicting Perdan/Caligus would get their asses kicked on EC? :P
So I've changed my views, are you and everyone else going to grill me on that, now?
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People say one thing when they lose and one thing when they win... The fact is Caerwyn started the war, looted raped and pillaged and is going to lose this war and a lot of you guys are going to throw some pretty big hissy fits when it happens.
Why don't you try and act a little nicer on the forums? I want to have some fun discussions with you guys but all I receive is negativity and name-calling.
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That's what you get for being a murderous rapist 8)
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I can' help I'm just a murderous rapist 8)
We love you DH, don't cry :)
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Why don't you try and act a little nicer on the forums? I want to have some fun discussions with you guys but all I receive is negativity and name-calling.
Truth hurts? I am joking. Forums can be dirty places. I love you forever DH 8)
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So I've changed my views, are you and everyone else going to grill me on that, now?
...Yes? Since it's a game it shouldn't be too nasty, it's more like a tidbit of vindication for those in Perdan or something.
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S'all good :D I'm just here to have a good time.
Just wanted to say, I am VERY excited to see how this battle in Walefishire turns out! Especially because it's my region :P
Anyways, Caerwyn has level 2 walls and 11k CS versus the 22k of Astrum, Morek Empire and Corsanctum. Although they have 23.5k rallied in Duil, we all know 100% doesn't move.
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S'all good :D I'm just here to have a good time.
Just wanted to say, I am VERY excited to see how this battle in Walefishire turns out! Especially because it's my region :P
Anyways, Caerwyn has level 2 walls and 11k CS versus the 22k of Astrum, Morek Empire and Corsanctum. Although they have 23.5k rallied in Duil, we all know 100% doesn't move.
You pagans stand no chance. We from Corsanctum are like spoiled kids: all brought oversized units. 8)
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Just wanted to say, I am VERY excited to see how this battle in Walefishire turns out! Especially because it's my region :P
What is that with directly engaging the enemy all the time?
I know big battles are fun, but perhaps not the most useful.
If Cearwyn's hiding in wafelshire, the allies should hit golden farrow or iato or split the army in two to keep the enemy in wafelshire longer so the other part can indirectly destroy the enemy by taking away his resources (no food no gold), pilage and maraud(turning regions rogue).
If they hit wafelshire they destroy a beautiful opportunity.
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What is that with directly engaging the enemy all the time?
I know big battles are fun, but perhaps not the most useful.
If Cearwyn's hiding in wafelshire, the allies should hit golden farrow or iato or split the army in two to keep the enemy in wafelshire longer so the other part can indirectly destroy the enemy by taking away his resources (no food no gold), pilage and maraud(turning regions rogue).
If they hit wafelshire they destroy a beautiful opportunity.
They have twice the CS strength, so the battle will be a pretty easy win. THEN they can go rampaging against them while they have no army to even put up a token resistance.
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Overwhelming victories do tend to be very one sided. Ask Averoth.
Good luck in Wafelshire.
I'll put my bets on roasting marshmallows in Golden Farrow within a month.
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Overwhelming victories do tend to be very one sided. Ask Averoth.
Good luck in Wafelshire.
I'll put my bets on roasting marshmallows in Golden Farrow within a month.
I've noticed that on FEI that even slight advantages tend to result in massive losses for the losers. Recently we had a battle of 18k to 15k. While the larger army lost about 4k immediately after the battle, the other side lost more like 11k.
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I've noticed that on FEI that even slight advantages tend to result in massive losses for the losers. Recently we had a battle of 18k to 15k. While the larger army lost about 4k immediately after the battle, the other side lost more like 11k.
That was also a function of composition, though. Infantry heavy army meets archer heavy army, the archers are going to take massive losses if they lose. If the archer heavy army wins without having their melee line broken, of course, they'll take many fewer casualties than a more mixed army.
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They have twice the CS strength, so the battle will be a pretty easy win. THEN they can go rampaging against them while they have no army to even put up a token resistance.
Agreed, that'd be my concern were I a Caerwyn military leader. Holding out behind lvl 5 walls is better than behind lvl 2 walls. Golden Farrow probably has nice militia, too.
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They have twice the CS strength, so the battle will be a pretty easy win. THEN they can go rampaging against them while they have no army to even put up a token resistance.
Because they have twice the strength, they shouldn't engage, if one part would stay or move to another region next to wafelshire, you are certain that cearwyn will stay and try to engage you when they see a weak spot.
This way you control the enemy.
In case of a direct assualt, you would win the battle and have cearwyn refit and come back for you in a week or less with the same army.
By doing the above you can have much more time thus much more fun looting the crap out of them :P
Trust me 800 men or so are more then enough to loot regions rogue in Mather of (a)day(s).
When you your self choose to refit, you can first lure them into a trap with your two armies before you move north, also minimizing casualties and having had much more time.
direct assualt is only impossing and should be done to try and scare the enemy off.
If that's what you plan, good luck :P
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Or you move on to their capital and disrupt their refit. Or you acknowledged that recruiting an entire army is expensive even IF your RC's are big enough to handle it, and that training and cohesion of the new units is likely to be rubbish and thus the amount of time they can suffer a defeat of that size is limited. Controlling you enemy is much much more then just having them sit still. It is engaged them on your terms, and really when you HAVE 22k, and some of that force has a long march home to refit, then often your terms are whenever you can get them to sit still and be squashed. Once they know you are approaching the time for refits, they should be much more cautious about engaging you anyway, I mean they just avoided fighting you until you needed to refit its not like they suddenly wake up and think, hey we should totally attack them now after all that looting they did.
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It takes almost a month for our allies to refit and get their armies back to Astrum. I am the one planning and coordinating the SA offensive against Caerwyn. I put a lot of thought into going around Walefshire and hitting their rurals. My army already had siege engines for the assault on Walefshire and we had the forces to attack it. Might as well get it over and done with. If we can make Walefshire go rogue then we won't have to worry about Caerwyn using it as a base to refit their troops.
If Caerwyn doesn't have those walls to hide behind, then when Astrum's army is alone we stand a much better chance of dealing with them in the open field. Also its a 3 turn move from Duil to Kyzanes since we are loaded down with SE and caravans. The Armies of SA have some pretty good coordination. We only had 1 unit arrive early in our 2 turn move to Duil and we didn't have any units arrive early on our 2 turn attack of Walefshire.
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We only had 1 unit arrive early in our 2 turn move to Duil and we didn't have any units arrive early on our 2 turn attack of Walefshire.
I hope someone told that one guy about the "Do not arrive" button... :(
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Battle in Walefishire (5 minutes ago)
(rogue), Astrum, Corsanctum, Morek Empire vs. Caerwyn
Estimated strengths: 1400 men vs. 710 men
The Halgawaras-Ingaevoangeln (Caerwyn), sponsored by Sir Hyperion Harte, High Magistrate of Caerwyn, Earl of Walefishire, were led into battle by Marshal Infaustus Godhelm Brythonic.
The Legion of the Golden Griffin (Caerwyn), sponsored by Feawen Aldaríon (Lord), were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Graviel Lupercal.
The Defenders of the Blood Stars (Astrum), sponsored by Sir Brance Indirik, Vasilif of Astrum, Duke of Libidizedd, were led into battle by Marshal Allison Kabrinski.
The Corsanctum's Sword (Corsanctum), sponsored by Sir Branthorpe Silverbear, High Inquisitor of Corsanctum, Marquis of Freke's Deep, were led into battle by Marshal Chlodio Cuvelier.
The Order of the Auspicious Star (Morek Empire), sponsored by Francois de Leon, Duke of Donghaiwei, were led into battle by Marshal Masaharu Hayabusa.
Sergio Mozzoni, Strategos of Astrum is spotted wearing the Ornate Jacket of Protection.
Chlodio Cuvelier, Marshal of the Corsanctum's Sword is spotted wielding the Long-Lost Dagger.
Sir Branthorpe Silverbear, High Inquisitor of Corsanctum, Marquis of Freke's Deep is spotted wearing the Mysterious Chain Mail from the North.
Allison Kabrinski, Marshal of the Defenders of the Blood Stars is spotted wielding the Mysterious Club.
Thomas Greyson, General of Corsanctum is spotted wielding the Enchanted Shield of Reflection.
Wulfric Lucifer (Knight of Grazne, Caerwyn) was captured by Allison Kabrinski's unit.
Jeremy Sedgwick, Viscount of Kybcyell was captured by Aram Stien's unit.
Chlodio Cuvelier, Marshal of the Corsanctum's Sword was captured by Daenah Dragoria's unit.
Attacker Victory!
Haven't see the battle report yet...
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http://battlemaster.org/ShowScribeNote.php?ID=160149&Hash=22495af779f843bc
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Thanks. I got one sent IG just after I posted.
Very nice battle. :D
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Yes, it was a nice battle. Not sure why I was so worried about it. We came out of that battle sitting really well. We lost about 4 or 5k and they lost 9k.
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I got captured in the last round... my unit took about 45 hits, and that routed them. The 1500 hits inflicted on them before, no problem.
Sigh. Now Harte stole my gold. My precious. Revenge will be sweeter than ever!
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If you hadn't gotten captured, you could have looted his region. :p
I noticed that Baal missed the battle, electing to stay next door, dug-in in Dunnbrook. Too bad.
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Why the heck am I stuck defending the north against monsters? I really should push back on that IC. :P
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If you hadn't gotten captured, you could have looted his region. :p
I noticed that Baal missed the battle, electing to stay next door, dug-in in Dunnbrook. Too bad.
Damn youuuuuu :o!
Though I kind of want to explore more of Dwilight now taht I have a better knowledge of the game. It's far too bad we couldn't have a second character there.. but then it wouldn't be Dwilight!
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I got captured in the last round... my unit took about 45 hits, and that routed them. The 1500 hits inflicted on them before, no problem.
Sigh. Now Harte stole my gold. My precious. Revenge will be sweeter than ever!
Gold theft? I haven't heard of Judges doing that often to prisoners of war. Guess its not worth the poor reputation that tends to follow such actions.
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Gold theft? I haven't heard of Judges doing that often to prisoners of war. Guess its not worth the poor reputation that tends to follow such actions.
It's been happening to our nobles so I followed suit ;D
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Damn youuuuuu :o!
Though I kind of want to explore more of Dwilight now taht I have a better knowledge of the game. It's far too bad we couldn't have a second character there.. but then it wouldn't be Dwilight!
You can have an adventurer and explore all you want! While hunting monsters and dead!
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Is that as exciting as being a noble wandering around? Well, at least an adventurer probably won't have to worry about gold being stolen. A noble roaming through Dwilight will face bandits frequently.
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Gold theft? I haven't heard of Judges doing that often to prisoners of war. Guess its not worth the poor reputation that tends to follow such actions.
In the previous Ibladesh(+Caligus) vs Perdan war, the Perdanese were so kind to offer me an infiltrator with about 2500 gold on him. Only time I stole money. So worth it. ;D
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It was probably your money anyway :p
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Shhh, don't mind the details!
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Is that as exciting as being a noble wandering around? Well, at least an adventurer probably won't have to worry about gold being stolen. A noble roaming through Dwilight will face bandits frequently.
Explore as in explore the other realms of Dwilight. Not the actual landscape, that's for adventurers. No, I was thinking about going to Madina and sorting them out or PeL and trying to create a colony in their name. I just need more excitement to some of my characters, it's a lull right now with nothing much to do except steal gold ::)
Although.. Caerwyn doesn't have a prisoners agreement with anyone except Astrum now I think about it... :P
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Explore as in explore the other realms of Dwilight. Not the actual landscape, that's for adventurers. No, I was thinking about going to Madina and sorting them out or PeL and trying to create a colony in their name. I just need more excitement to some of my characters, it's a lull right now with nothing much to do except steal gold ::)
Although.. Caerwyn doesn't have a prisoners agreement with anyone except Astrum now I think about it... :P
Caerwyn is at war with half the world and you're... Bored? Do you field a unit at all or are you a priest or courtier or something? I would think that there would be a lot of action in Caerwyn right now in councils and armies both, with the prospect of much more to come in the foreseeable future. It's definitely got to be one of the more action-packed places to be at the moment.
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Explore as in explore the other realms of Dwilight. Not the actual landscape, that's for adventurers. No, I was thinking about going to Madina and sorting them out or PeL and trying to create a colony in their name. I just need more excitement to some of my characters, it's a lull right now with nothing much to do except steal gold ::)
Although.. Caerwyn doesn't have a prisoners agreement with anyone except Astrum now I think about it... :P
PeL already has enough colony plans to last it a good 8-10 years.
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I would think that there would be a lot of action in Caerwyn right now in councils and armies both, with the prospect of much more to come in the foreseeable future. It's definitely got to be one of the more action-packed places to be at the moment.
No kidding. I can't think of a single reason why life in Caerwyn would be boring right now.
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No kidding. I can't think of a single reason why life in Caerwyn would be boring right now.
True. Caerwyn players have to think to save their great realm now, how is it possible to be bored in this situation?
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True. Caerwyn players have to think to save their great realm now, how is it possible to be bored in this situation?
Who knows, maybe I'm spreading rumors so ya'll won't catch on ;)
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Mhm, spreading rumors to make your realm seem more unattractive to new characters while the realm would definitely want more manpower. Sounds like a great plan. And I am being sarcastic.
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That's how brilliant it is, you can't even get the brilliance. Brilliant.
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All the less more manpower Allison will have when she rules here? Psh, to any players it's obvious all the SA crowd and a few southerns control this thread. But mostly SA, beating down on others. So whatever.
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I don't think Allison is expecting to salvage many nobles from Caerwyn anyway :P
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I don't think Allison is expecting to salvage many nobles from Caerwyn anyway :P
Exactly. My point is, I'm doing all this stuff IC for the fun of it. For who my character is, not for personal gain or saving Caerwyn. It's so much fun to continue to fight and go down with a realm than sign peace and half our souls over to those little SA devils :D
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All my talking only gained me 1 noble from Averoth. I doubt any will actually join me from Caerwyn, but it is fun to try. Caerwyn has a lot of fight left in it. I am hoping that winter does a lot of damage for me. I am hoping for massive starvation in Golden Farrow this winter.
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Ah, food... Dwilight's most powerful weapon.
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I still think that an army of 10 nobles 1/2 infils and 1/2 traders is the thing to fear the most on dwilight. They wouldn't even need any men. They could buy/burn food at a fairly alarming rate.
That was my plan to attack Madina. Unfortunately other things always distracted me.
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It's so much fun to continue to fight and go down with a realm than sign peace and half our souls over to those little SA devils :D
I think it would take more than just half your heathen souls to buy your way out of the war at this point.
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All my talking only gained me 1 noble from Averoth. I doubt any will actually join me from Caerwyn, but it is fun to try. Caerwyn has a lot of fight left in it. I am hoping that winter does a lot of damage for me. I am hoping for massive starvation in Golden Farrow this winter.
We've only gained 7-8 Averoth nobles so far. And yeah, starvation could strike but we might be able to buy food.. maybe.
What happened to Zereth, are these rogues annoying or what? ::)
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indeed. those blasted monsters. they just won't quit.
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Every popular thread is essentially about SA and crusades. So confusing...
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We've only gained 7-8 Averoth nobles so far. And yeah, starvation could strike but we might be able to buy food.. maybe.
What happened to Zereth, are these rogues annoying or what? ::)
The low rate at which these northerners switch to Caerwyn makes me really suspicious as to how authentic these accounts are...
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The low rate at which these northerners switch to Caerwyn makes me really suspicious as to how authentic these accounts are...
If my character had gotten his way, all of the Averothians would either be deported or executed by now.
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I know at least a couple nobles from Averoth just paused their characters and created new ones in Caerwyn. I thought that was kinda lame. Why not just go there with the character you have? Now Vanimelde' has a new character but reacts as if they were in Thulsoma and Averoth the whole time. It would be so much more fun if Haruka was still on the continent.
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Its obvious that some were not real accounts, I haven't noticed much of a jump in new characters to any other realms. You'd think that Caerwyn would have around 80 nobles by no considering how many Averoth/Thulsoma had in their dying days.
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I wonder where those guys are gonna make their next characters. Once Caerwyn loses, I doubt there is any realm left in the north to go against SA.
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I know at least a couple nobles from Averoth just paused their characters and created new ones in Caerwyn. I thought that was kinda lame. Why not just go there with the character you have? Now Vanimelde' has a new character but reacts as if they were in Thulsoma and Averoth the whole time. It would be so much more fun if Haruka was still on the continent.
Vanimelde's characters have an amazing hive mind. His two characters on FEI have an excellent knowledge of each others actions, and they also have very detailed info on everything that happened on Dwilight. Guess he has an army of messengers to be ferrying every single detail between his characters.
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Vanimelde's characters have an amazing hive mind. His two characters on FEI have an excellent knowledge of each others actions, and they also have very detailed info on everything that happened on Dwilight. Guess he has an army of messengers to be ferrying every single detail between his characters.
I get a sick pleasure out of harassing his characters IC about their astounding knowledge of one another.
Regarding Averoth's players, yeah, some probably were fake. But I find myself thinking many of them left the game. Didn't they all come from another game together or something? If that's the case, many of them may have just left the game when Averoth died.
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What happened to Zereth, are these rogues annoying or what? ::)
They're worse than Cerwyn.... :(
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I know at least a couple nobles from Averoth just paused their characters and created new ones in Caerwyn.
Wow, that should not be allowed, in my opinion. One noble per Dwilight, paused or not.
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Caerwyn has monsters in a lot of their regions right now.
Mech Alb
Mech Derris
Mozyr
All have monsters in them. SA Crusaders are looting:
Elets
Mech Calen
Knyazes
Grazne
Dunnbrook
Astrum is suffering from food loss related to this war. They lost a lot of rural regions in the north while their armies were preoccupied. It is going to be a rough winter for both realms.
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Wow, that should not be allowed, in my opinion. One noble per Dwilight, paused or not.
Seriously someone should show that to Tom and make it so that type of chump move is impossible. I say treat their remakes like their relatives, just pretend they changed names, execute upon capture.
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Seriously someone should show that to Tom and make it so that type of chump move is impossible. I say treat their remakes like their relatives, just pretend they changed names, execute upon capture.
There is little reason to restrict people pausing a character to make a new one, even on Dwilight. If they act as if they have excessive information from their last character, well the new realm has IG options to handle that if they really want to.
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Distasteful doesn't mean it's against the rules. I seem to recall some guy even deleting his old account and making a new one in my realm so I wouldn't know it was him and then joining in some rebellion because he convinced himself that I let OOC judgments affect me. What a strange period of BM life that was.
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Yea, we all do pretty dumb things from time to time. In my opinion, while not against the rules, both were bad ideas.
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Wow, that should not be allowed, in my opinion. One noble per Dwilight, paused or not.
I want another character on Dwilight!! :(
The other continents are boring ;)
I'm new to the forum btw! I'm also a new player!
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Welcome to the game then, Karnen. It might be nice to hear first impressions, so we can improve, all together, this game for new players.
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Welcome to the game then, Karnen. It might be nice to hear first impressions, so we can improve, all together, this game for new players.
Hi! I found the game a bit overwhelming at first but now I think I'm finally getting the hang of it!
But it might have something to do with the fact I've been looking for a game like this for a while now I guess... But yeah, Dwilight is the only continent I find truly enjoyable... I'd love to make a new character! All these realms look great fun! And nobody in my realm wants religion atm... kind of dissapointing....
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If you want a religious realm, I'd invite you to Ibladesh. I always invite people to Ibladesh. We just need more nobles. :)
Anyways, thanks for your (short) description of your first experience. If you have any tips on making it less overwhelming... please give them. Like: would a thorough tutorial (click-through tutorial with text or spoken) help you better? Or a youtube video that briefly explains the game?
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If you want a religious realm, I'd invite you to Ibladesh. I always invite people to Ibladesh. We just need more nobles. :)
I'll be there ASAP
Or a youtube video that briefly explains the game?
That sounds really good actually! :)
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Beluaterra is still licking its wounds from the last invasion, but that's a place you can always count on for action.
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Beluaterra is still licking its wounds from the last invasion, but that's a place you can always count on for action.
Not right now it isn't. It's actually deathly boring, apart from the routine battles against rogue forces. Of course, I fully expect that *something* is going to happen to break up the monotony, but until it does I don't recommend BT as a way to escape boredom.
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From what I've heard, Beluaterra is going to explode into wars real soon... but I might have been fed lies.
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I hope it does I mean there is hardly anything I can do as a general at the moment. Only thing I am doing right now is making marshals do all the work and just looking at the map..
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Not right now it isn't. It's actually deathly boring, apart from the routine battles against rogue forces. Of course, I fully expect that *something* is going to happen to break up the monotony, but until it does I don't recommend BT as a way to escape boredom.
As I said, still licking its wounds. The current situation is extremely unusual.
Personally, I blame character mortality. We'd totally have bashed back on Riombara for all their foul play if the invasion hadn't totally crippled us... They still owe us a royal's head, after all.
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As I said, still licking its wounds. The current situation is extremely unusual.
Personally, I blame character mortality. We'd totally have bashed back on Riombara for all their foul play if the invasion hadn't totally crippled us... They still owe us a royal's head, after all.
You mean that Royal captured in the the lowly act of sabotage?
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You mean that Royal captured in the the lowly act of sabotage?
No, of course not. That royal on a diplomatic mission savagely arrested. 8)
Regardless, though, there was a specific treaty against executions of prisoners at the time. Breaking the treaty was supported by a great number of Riombara's nobles, and the offender was merely asked to leave, where he then went to serve in an allied realm that later backstabbed Enweil. Southern propaganda might have made people forget, but *that* is the reason that Enweil was on a war for the destruction of Riombara, lest it receive the head of either the executioner or Delvin as compensation, which (unsurprisingly) Riombara was never willing to grant. Executions of royals should not be taken lightly.
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No, of course not. That royal on a diplomatic mission savagely arrested. 8)
Regardless, though, there was a specific treaty against executions of prisoners at the time. Breaking the treaty was supported by a great number of Riombara's nobles, and the offender was merely asked to leave, where he then went to serve in an allied realm that later backstabbed Enweil. Southern propaganda might have made people forget, but *that* is the reason that Enweil was on a war for the destruction of Riombara, lest it receive the head of either the executioner or Delvin as compensation, which (unsurprisingly) Riombara was never willing to grant. Executions of royals should not be taken lightly.
A realm willing to recognised the "Royality" of someone captured as a infiltrator should also not be taken lightly, no matter the excuses they try to come up with to mask the game generated message that they were captured in the act. My understanding was your "royal" had used their status to avoid such a fate before, guess things just caught up with them.
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Katja was well known for using her connection to the rulership of Enweil to try to avoid punishment. She would often threaten the judge with war with Enweil if they banned her.
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Katja was well known for using her connection to the rulership of Enweil to try to avoid punishment. She would often threaten the judge with war with Enweil if they banned her.
War was already declared, and there was a prisoner treaty with explicit articles about infils. And the royal family was not the main source of outrage, very little of the calls for revenge actually came from them at all.
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War was already declared, and there was a prisoner treaty with explicit articles about infils.
Well, yes, I know that. I was merely commenting on De-Legro's observation: "My understanding was your "royal" had used their status to avoid such a fate before, guess things just caught up with them." (Yes, I should have quoted it to make that clear...) In fact, Katja had once threatened one of my characters in this manner, giving me the "If you ban me, Enweil will destroy your realm" line. Coincidentally, we were already at war with Enweil at that time, too.
And the royal family was not the main source of outrage, very little of the calls for revenge actually came from them at all.
With a popular ruling family, that is quite often the case. Insult to the royal family is a good rallying call for those interested in steering the realm in a particular direction.
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*ahem* back on topic, if you please.
It seems that many a region in Caerwyn will starve this winter, while I will be rich from selling food to lords of starving regions in Astrum.
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/me approves of this
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Which do you approve of, getting back on topic or me selling food?
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Which do you approve of, getting back on topic or me selling food?
I think it was Caerwyn starving. ;D
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Both. I'm the one that will be buying his food. :P
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Hmmm, how much should Gustav sell it for? 5 gold a bushel will get me plenty of gold, but 10 will make me stinking rich.
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Mrh? Our agreed on price with Morek is higher than that. Ask Bustoarsenzio about it.
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5 gold a bushel is 500 gold for 100 bushels.... I doubt Astrum pays that!
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I bet the Zuma do ;)
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Hmm..... Seems I misread that.... I think 5 gold a bushel is likely to net you very few sales. :P
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With a popular ruling family, that is quite often the case. Insult to the royal family is a good rallying call for those interested in steering the realm in a particular direction.
Yes, it served my war-mongering agenda quite well. I couldn't have pulled Enweil is the direction I did was it not for that event. 8)
*ahem* back on topic, if you please.
No. SA TOes other threads all the time, I see it perfectly fair that a thread about SA gets TOed by something totally random. 8)
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I see, well then, back on continent then. This isn't Beluaterra.
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No. SA TOes other threads all the time, I see it perfectly fair that a thread about SA gets TOed by something totally random. 8)
QFT
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No. SA TOes other threads all the time, I see it perfectly fair that a thread about SA gets TOed by something totally random. 8)
All your threads are belong to us.
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I wonder what the highest price for food on Dwilight is per 100 bushels.
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I wonder what the highest price for food on Dwilight is per 100 bushels.
I think there's a cap of 50 gold per 100 bushels, isn't there?
And if so, it's Chénier in D'Hara and I think he would pay a lot more than that too, if he could.
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A cap? Like, the game literally says you can't go higher than 50 gold? I'm not saying one way or the other, but are you sure? Maybe you mean warehouse and not those manual offers? Because as I understand it, those manual Trade Offers don't have any cap as long as you actually carry that much gold.
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I think I heard that cap no longer being there any more, but that's just via via. Be best to test it out.
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Madina the food prices range from 45-50gp per 100. The lower number is . . . selling to our own cities.
And we probably have the largest food surplus in the South.
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Madina the food prices range from 45-50gp per 100. The lower number is . . . selling to our own cities.
And we probably have the largest food surplus in the South.
I doubt it, unless you are sitting on thousands of extra bushels, and especially now that you have Madina back that won't continue for long.
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500 bushels are for sale at 50gp per 100, in the region I'm sitting in.
Keep in mind, nearly all our regions produce 150-200 bushels of food, and we only have 40,000 peasants total. Even with Madina fully population (har, har. That'll be a while -.-) we still exceed our consumption by quite a bit. Always have, we're a giant farmland basically.
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Huh, only 250 gold for all that?
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Personally I'm surprised he has a trade offer up at all.
We have such better deals, 50gp is basically giving our food away. I suppose though we don't have to do the leg work if it's for sale in our region.
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Dibs!
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They're worse than Cerwyn.... :(
Don't remind me :-X
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I think food is one of the major contributing factors to Sanguis Astroism's success. We have sold our food to our allies whenever we had some extra and usually for 20-30 gold per 100 bushels. On rare occasions food has been given for free as well. Coordinating food is vital to the success of your realm and allies.
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I knew I didn't like Allison for a reason, giving away food for free. Psh! How are we suppose to get anyone to by food from Madina with SA giving it away for free? Clearly this is her plot to destroy us.
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Contrary to popular belief, Lady Allison is the kindest and most considerate and honourable of any in the land of Dwilight. 8)
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I knew I didn't like Allison for a reason, giving away food for free. Psh! How are we suppose to get anyone to by food from Madina with SA giving it away for free? Clearly this is her plot to destroy us.
D'Hara doesn't get any freebies, and still decided to no longer send any caravans to Madina because of its prices, getting better deals elsewhere. And when I think about it, greedy rural realms would probably be about the only target D'Hara could ever decide to get aggressive on, as the last thing we want and can accept is a price war that brings prices soaring up for all non-SA food markets.
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I personally am enjoying the heck out of the war. Lots of fun, good rping, Caerwyn's endless monster/undead battles were getting tedious. This is a good war, enjoy it while it lasts!
P.S.
Reports of Caerwyn's death have been greatly exaggerated.
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Oops ::) :P
Caerwyn might go a bit easier with the Hyperion-Amandil act!
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What is that?
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I's is also curious! :o
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Just a little inner-turmoil. Or a lot. :P
They just don't know what justice is.. so I had to take it upon myself! :'(
Too bad half of the realm hates me now :-X
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No one in Caerwyn will talk to Allison. She is trying to convince them to capitulate!
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No one in Caerwyn will talk to Allison. She is trying to convince them to capitulate!
Same with Hyperion ::) But I think Im gonna throw that life away and join Terran instead.
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So is Caerwyn really in as much turmoil as they appear to be? Did they finally realize that they are in the real deep !@#$?
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Same with Hyperion ::) But I think Im gonna throw that life away and join Terran instead.
I thought you said you where coming to Madina? :P
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I thought you said you were coming to Asylon. ;D
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Pht
Terran's where it's at. We're the hip new realm on the block.
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Ugh! Yet more anti-SA nobles who are moving south. As we expand more people hate us. We are a victim of our own success.
Well, we are looting Itaufield now. It seems appropriate that we are looting Baal's region to the ground! Where is Caerwyns army? Why does Caerwyn use like 3 different armies? They are very unorganized.
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Pht
Terran's where it's at. We're the hip new realm on the block.
*Old Abbot throws a stone towards raz's direction from a safe distance, leaning against a wall in the shade*
"Sod off, ye youngsters!"
"Quit ruinin me witty secret plots!"
"There ye go, keeeeep walkin!"
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Same with Hyperion ::) But I think Im gonna throw that life away and join Terran instead.
Better not bring your war with you. Bring violent anti-Astroism to Terran, and your character may find himself friendless faster than you can say "Astroist Ruler and Duke."
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Pht
Terran's where it's at. We're the hip new realm on the block.
It's true. Terran is like the little down town hole-in-the-wall venue on Dwilight where that One-Band-With-Acoustic-Guitars-That-Of-Course-No-One-Else-Has-Heard-Of-Before is playing and we're the horn-rimmed glasses, skinny jeans, and deep V wearing Nobles who populate it.
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Terran is a pretty hip place. Its the San Fransisco of Dwilight.
Asylon is Seattle. 8)
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Terran is a pretty hip place. Its the San Fransisco of Dwilight.
Asylon is Seattle. 8)
So Morek Empire is Russia, Astrum is China and SA is Communism :P
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I guess that makes Caerwyn early-20th century Italy.
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I guess that makes Caerwyn early-20th century Italy.
poor them..
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Then Thulsoma was North Korea: they are insular, small yet dangerous, took the playbook from their neighbors and completely corrupted its meaning, and their ruler is a complete nutjob.
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Then Thulsoma was North Korea: they are insular, small yet dangerous, took the playbook from their neighbors and completely corrupted its meaning, and their ruler is a complete nutjob.
QFT
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Terran is a pretty hip place. Its the San Fransisco of Dwilight.
Asylon is Seattle. 8)
It's true. Terran is like the little down town hole-in-the-wall venue on Dwilight where that One-Band-With-Acoustic-Guitars-That-Of-Course-No-One-Else-Has-Heard-Of-Before is playing and we're the horn-rimmed glasses, skinny jeans, and deep V wearing Nobles who populate it.
Oh God. Is this seriously how we are perceived?
I am embarrassed. I see Terran as a conservative, reactionary, militaristic, aristocratic republic. More like the British colonial regime of India than a hipster dive.
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Oh God. Is this seriously how we are perceived?
I am embarrassed. I see Terran as a conservative, reactionary, militaristic, aristocratic republic. More like the British colonial regime of India than a hipster dive.
Well, yes, we are.
We only mean hip by we're awesome and successful so people want to come to our realm!
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Terran is gonna become a very interesting place if a whole bunch of Anti-SA'ers arrive, given that Terran is pretty pro-SA for a Southern Realm. I can't see that going over. . .smoothly.
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Terran is gonna become a very interesting place if a whole bunch of Anti-SA'ers arrive, given that Terran is pretty pro-SA for a Southern Realm. I can't see that going over. . .smoothly.
Nor can I. I was intending to step down from my ducal post soon. If a bunch of anti-SAers show up, I may have to hang around for longer, to ensure they get pushed out of the realm, moderated, or kept from political power.
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But, if you do that, then who will Allison's new SA theocracy in Golden Farrow fight? Someone has to step up and volunteer to be our next target.
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Nor can I. I was intending to step down from my ducal post soon. If a bunch of anti-SAers show up, I may have to hang around for longer, to ensure they get pushed out of the realm, moderated, or kept from political power.
Oh, that would be a lot of fun intra-realm intrigue. Pity were way to far south for it. . but hey. If Terran's busy with its own problems Madina can do what we want >.>
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Nor can I. I was intending to step down from my ducal post soon. If a bunch of anti-SAers show up, I may have to hang around for longer, to ensure they get pushed out of the realm, moderated, or kept from political power.
It would be a shame if Terran changed its spots and turned against the Church. Of course, being neighbors with Allison is generally an excellent way to contract anti-SA disease. I don't envy Terran that challenge in the event that her dreams of a colony in GF come to pass.
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Allison is like the pit-bull of SA, but she isn't completely crazy, just mostly crazy. Besides, nobles she likes are in positions of authority in Terran. Rebuilding GF from the ashes it will be in when I finally do get it will take a /long/ time.
Expanding the faith is always a goal for her though. So she will be a slightly nosy neighbor.
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Nor can I. I was intending to step down from my ducal post soon. If a bunch of anti-SAers show up, I may have to hang around for longer, to ensure they get pushed out of the realm, moderated, or kept from political power.
Actually, if you're considered that Hyperion is an anti-SAist, you are incorrect. He was pro-war and only used you guys as en excuse to get Caerwyn to get rid of that stupid Too Much Peace feature, even though it was reduced.
Now I'm mainly off to Terran because supposedly the work together pretty well, which rarely happens in Caerwyn anymore. Since I was High Magistrate and I've announced I am leaving, there are about 5 or more candidates running for High Magistrate. It's great to see I had such a strong hold on m position and then people flock when it opens up. 8)
Anywas, I look forward to working with Vellos and Raz in Terran along with whoever else is there. And go hunting in Barca! Excited to join a completely new crowd considering it's Dwilight.
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Allison is like the pit-bull of SA, but she isn't completely crazy, just mostly crazy. Besides, nobles she likes are in positions of authority in Terran. Rebuilding GF from the ashes it will be in when I finally do get it will take a /long/ time.
Expanding the faith is always a goal for her though. So she will be a slightly nosy neighbor.
It would be a shame if Terran changed its spots and turned against the Church. Of course, being neighbors with Allison is generally an excellent way to contract anti-SA disease. I don't envy Terran that challenge in the event that her dreams of a colony in GF come to pass.
So is it a 100% sure thing that, if/when Caerwyn is defeated, Allison would be the leader of a new realm in Golden Farrow? I had been assuming ya'll were joking.
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So is it a 100% sure thing that, if/when Caerwyn is defeated, Allison would be the leader of a new realm in Golden Farrow? I had been assuming ya'll were joking.
It isn't a 100% sure thing. Nothing ever is, but I give it good odds... I need a new base of operations!
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No one in Caerwyn will talk to Allison. She is trying to convince them to capitulate!
Allison left a pretty haughty letter at a temple for the elders of VE. Got a chuckle, sent a "who is this schmuck to treat us as a courtier?" letter, and threw it away.
Good times.
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I had fun writing the letter to the VE Elders. I doubted it would get passed along, but it got the point across. I am hoping to remove Caerwyn from the map. At some point the Lords and Dukes of Caerwyn will begin to cave in to pressure. 8)
I finally was able to get the contact information for Tsuboh, Duke of Golden Farrow.
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So is it a 100% sure thing that, if/when Caerwyn is defeated, Allison would be the leader of a new realm in Golden Farrow? I had been assuming ya'll were joking.
Yes, well, that was my idea, and the joke's on everyone who wanted to destroy SA. It was my brilliant (if I do say so myself) solution to the Entai problem. When Caerwyn stabbed us in the back, Astrum was in a pretty bad spot. We needed Morek's help ASAP, but their army was going to be unavailable until the Entai problem was solved. So, knowing that a big part of the dispute between Busto and Allison was Allison's desire to found a colony and Busto's refusal to let all those nobles go, I came up with a diabolical proposal. Allison would abandon Entai and do everything possible to facilitate Morek's reconquest of Aegir. In return, she and her followers would be offered a place in Astrum to help us fight and, assuming the war went well, Astrum would support a colony for her and her followers in Golden Farrow.
Out of this Faustian bargain, Rowan got 10+ nobles for Astrum's war effort, Morek's army in the field weeks before it would have been available otherwise, and instant unity within what had previously been a fractured Church. It didn't cost Rowan a thing, either. Busto and Allison both respected him enough that as soon as the offer was made, it was virtually a done deal. Given the course of the war, it looks like Golden Farrow will eventually be home to the newest Theocracy of Sanguis Astroism, our detractors be damned.
We aren't *trying* to conquer the whole continent, but if people keep screwing with us the way they have been it might just happen anyway :)
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Yes, well, that was my idea, and the joke's on everyone who wanted to destroy SA. It was my brilliant (if I do say so myself) solution to the Entai problem. When Caerwyn stabbed us in the back, Astrum was in a pretty bad spot. We needed Morek's help ASAP, but their army was going to be unavailable until the Entai problem was solved. So, knowing that a big part of the dispute between Busto and Allison was Allison's desire to found a colony and Busto's refusal to let all those nobles go, I came up with a diabolical proposal. Allison would abandon Entai and do everything possible to facilitate Morek's reconquest of Aegir. In return, she and her followers would be offered a place in Astrum to help us fight and, assuming the war went well, Astrum would support a colony for her and her followers in Golden Farrow.
Out of this Faustian bargain, Rowan got 10+ nobles for Astrum's war effort, Morek's army in the field weeks before it would have been available otherwise, and instant unity within what had previously been a fractured Church. It didn't cost Rowan a thing, either. Busto and Allison both respected him enough that as soon as the offer was made, it was virtually a done deal. Given the course of the war, it looks like Golden Farrow will eventually be home to the newest Theocracy of Sanguis Astroism, our detractors be damned.
We aren't *trying* to conquer the whole continent, but if people keep screwing with us the way they have been it might just happen anyway :)
That... is actually one of the savvier pieces of BM politics I've heard about recently. That's really quite a coup. Elegant even.
Now if Allison could be knifed in her sleep, leaving her group leaderless and no claimant to Golden Farrow with Astrum having complete and unmitigated rights to it, then it would be perfect.
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That... is actually one of the savvier pieces of BM politics I've heard about recently. That's really quite a coup. Elegant even.
Now if Allison could be knifed in her sleep, leaving her group leaderless and no claimant to Golden Farrow with Astrum having complete and unmitigated rights to it, then it would be perfect.
Hey now! If Allison is Tina Turner in Beyond Thunderdome, then Glaumring is Madmax!
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Yes, well, that was my idea, and the joke's on everyone who wanted to destroy SA. It was my brilliant (if I do say so myself) solution to the Entai problem. When Caerwyn stabbed us in the back, Astrum was in a pretty bad spot. We needed Morek's help ASAP, but their army was going to be unavailable until the Entai problem was solved. So, knowing that a big part of the dispute between Busto and Allison was Allison's desire to found a colony and Busto's refusal to let all those nobles go, I came up with a diabolical proposal. Allison would abandon Entai and do everything possible to facilitate Morek's reconquest of Aegir. In return, she and her followers would be offered a place in Astrum to help us fight and, assuming the war went well, Astrum would support a colony for her and her followers in Golden Farrow.
Out of this Faustian bargain, Rowan got 10+ nobles for Astrum's war effort, Morek's army in the field weeks before it would have been available otherwise, and instant unity within what had previously been a fractured Church. It didn't cost Rowan a thing, either. Busto and Allison both respected him enough that as soon as the offer was made, it was virtually a done deal. Given the course of the war, it looks like Golden Farrow will eventually be home to the newest Theocracy of Sanguis Astroism, our detractors be damned.
We aren't *trying* to conquer the whole continent, but if people keep screwing with us the way they have been it might just happen anyway :)
I like my part in all of this. I secede, start a civil war in Morek and then con Baal. He attacked Astrum because he thought they were weak and now I am leading Astrum's army against Caerwyn and I just looted Baal's region, Itaufield.
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That... is actually one of the savvier pieces of BM politics I've heard about recently. That's really quite a coup. Elegant even.
Now if Allison could be knifed in her sleep, leaving her group leaderless and no claimant to Golden Farrow with Astrum having complete and unmitigated rights to it, then it would be perfect.
Thank you, I was quite proud of it myself. I will admit to actually giggling with glee every time I thought about it for several days after I came up with this.
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Thank you, I was quite proud of it myself. I will admit to actually giggling with glee every time I thought about it for several days after I came up with this.
Indeed brilliant.
The only troublesome consequence is that Allison's ego has no boundaries these days, and every now and then letters sent by her to caerwyn reach us with a lot of protests. I guess that's her problem once she leads a realm and people will start knocking on her door to ask explanations for her words.
oh and I hope this remains all ooc - for real. an ambassador of morek is on his way to terran and it's likely that she'll receive a LOT of questions about the Allison thing. It would be disappointing to ruin this nice piece of game with ooc knowledge coming from the forum
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The only troublesome consequence is that Allison's ego has no boundaries these days
It had one before? I have to admit never to have stumbled upon it. It must well hidden.
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oh and I hope this remains all ooc - for real. an ambassador of morek is on his way to terran and it's likely that she'll receive a LOT of questions about the Allison thing. It would be disappointing to ruin this nice piece of game with ooc knowledge coming from the forum
It's kind of hard to avoid isn't it? I notice it a lot when a bunch of nobles suddenly stop arguing IC because they came to an OOC agreement on the forum. Maybe thats a good thing though.
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So is it a 100% sure thing that, if/when Caerwyn is defeated, Allison would be the leader of a new realm in Golden Farrow? I had been assuming ya'll were joking.
Baal gave us the idea. Blame him. :)
It really depends on Caerwyn. So far, they haven't even hinted at wanting to end the war. We'll see what winter does to them. I have a feeling Caerwyn is going to have a /very/ bad winter.
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It's kind of hard to avoid isn't it? I notice it a lot when a bunch of nobles suddenly stop arguing IC because they came to an OOC agreement on the forum. Maybe thats a good thing though.
Personally I think it's bad, really bad. No one can prevent players to chat or whatever but this topic is becoming an IC/OOC mix and I think this can harm the flavor of the game.
The info I read here I use them IC as gossip or coming from untrusted sources
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Personally I think it's bad, really bad. No one can prevent players to chat or whatever but this topic is becoming an IC/OOC mix and I think this can harm the flavor of the game.
The info I read here I use them IC as gossip or coming from untrusted sources
Wait, you think it's bad but you still use the *completely* OOC information you read here IC? Information from the forums should never be used IC. I get that it probably subconsciously affects people's decision making whether we want it to or not (we're all human after all), but to refer to it directly IC is crossing a line.
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The only troublesome consequence is that Allison's ego has no boundaries these days, and every now and then letters sent by her to caerwyn reach us with a lot of protests. I guess that's her problem once she leads a realm and people will start knocking on her door to ask explanations for her words.
:D Allison isn't /that/ bad! So let me see if I understand this correctly, Caerwyn talks a big game when they are winning, then when Allison returns the favor(after kicking their asses) they go whining to Morek? HAHAHAHA!
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Allison and Bustoarsenzio are the two we should thank for making Morek a powerhouse. Allison for her decisive leadership back when Libero and Raivan attacked Xinhai when her back was turned, and Bustoarsenzio for providing the military expertise to fight wars and teaching willing students the art of war. This provided Morek with a wealth of able marshals.
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Allison and Bustoarsenzio are the two we should thank for making Morek a powerhouse. Allison for her decisive leadership back when Libero and Raivan attacked Xinhai when her back was turned, and Bustoarsenzio for providing the military expertise to fight wars and teaching willing students the art of war. This provided Morek with a wealth of able marshals.
During that war Anabellium was the ruler of Xinhai. Allison was elected shortly after the end of the war, when Xinhai took over Aegir and Muspelheim and changed name to Morek Empire. I can't recall exactly what did Allison do during the war though. I think she may have been the banker of Xinhai.
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oh and I hope this remains all ooc - for real. an ambassador of morek is on his way to terran and it's likely that she'll receive a LOT of questions about the Allison thing. It would be disappointing to ruin this nice piece of game with ooc knowledge coming from the forum
I rather doubt Allison will get much mention in Terran. The only IC interaction any non-SA Terran noble has had with Allison, as far as I know, is Hireshmont II, and it was a looooong time ago. I joined the Warders of the Temple, and quietly remained a member for about 3 or 4 months until Allison noticed and threw me out. Whatever propaganda Allison and Caerwyn are spewing in the north, approximately 0% of it is reaching Terran.
We live in our own little world. We get the gossip from Asylon, D'Hara, Barca, Aurvandil, Madina, Fissoa, and sometimes the Lurian realms. Caerwyn and the Astroist realms... we occasionally hear distant rumblings. But mostly we figure it doesn't affect us very much; we're fairly chill with SA and VE both, so why bother about it? We're much more interesting in mauling hordes of monsters and colonizing Maroccidens (and Mesoccidens).
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During that war Anabellium was the ruler of Xinhai. Allison was elected shortly after the end of the war, when Xinhai took over Aegir and Muspelheim and changed name to Morek Empire. I can't recall exactly what did Allison do during the war though. I think she may have been the banker of Xinhai.
Is that so? Huh, my memory must be faulty. Ah well, Anabellium certainly did much to make Morek great as well.
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I rather doubt Allison will get much mention in Terran. The only IC interaction any non-SA Terran noble has had with Allison, as far as I know, is Hireshmont II, and it was a looooong time ago. I joined the Warders of the Temple, and quietly remained a member for about 3 or 4 months until Allison noticed and threw me out. Whatever propaganda Allison and Caerwyn are spewing in the north, approximately 0% of it is reaching Terran.
We live in our own little world. We get the gossip from Asylon, D'Hara, Barca, Aurvandil, Madina, Fissoa, and sometimes the Lurian realms. Caerwyn and the Astroist realms... we occasionally hear distant rumblings. But mostly we figure it doesn't affect us very much; we're fairly chill with SA and VE both, so why bother about it? We're much more interesting in mauling hordes of monsters and colonizing Maroccidens (and Mesoccidens).
I'm surprised you don't hear more, what with Labell being Light of the Auspicious and all. He ought to know pretty well what is going on in the Church at any given time.
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I'm surprised you don't hear more, what with Labell being Light of the Auspicious and all. He ought to know pretty well what is going on in the Church at any given time.
I'm sure he does. And our Chief Magistrate (Ruler) is also a member of SA.
They don't really ever share, with the realm at large at least, what is going on within SA. I assume because the majority of the realm is Triunist and one or two of the Triunists don't get along with SA, and Labell in particular.
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I'm surprised you don't hear more, what with Labell being Light of the Auspicious and all. He ought to know pretty well what is going on in the Church at any given time.
Note that I said non-SA nobles have little concern for Allison.
But, as Perth said, Labell and Vigilans don't bring up church politics in public. Aside from them, I don't even know if there are other Astroists around, there may very well be, and they're just kinda quiet. I didn't realize Labell was actually a high-ranker until recently.
Labell probably knows quite a bit about what is going on in SA. But Labell also knows better than to bring up SA a lot in public discussions. The topic becomes very sore very quickly once the discussion reaches any depth, given that those who are politically anti-SA and the most rabidly Maroccidentalist in outlook tend to also be Triunist. And there's some lingering hatred between Labell and Dallas that needs only a mild prodding to be brought back to life.
I'm really quite curious about Morek's ambassador. We have so very little to do with Morek that I really don't know what we'll talk about.
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I really think Morek does an awesome job at diplomacy. Or atleast takes a proactive approach. A while back they sent an ambassador to Asylon with a gift of gold. Granted, the gold was for a temple. I heard they were proposing peace to madina and trying to mediate hostilities. Now they are sending another ambassador to the west.
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I really think Morek does an awesome job at diplomacy. Or atleast takes a proactive approach. A while back they sent an ambassador to Asylon with a gift of gold. Granted, the gold was for a temple. I heard they were proposing peace to madina and trying to mediate hostilities. Now they are sending another ambassador to the west.
Yes they understand the importance of traveling around and offering an open hand towards foreigners.
They know, or atleast Pierre knows how to deal with diplomacy.
Even though he felt really awkward trying to fit in among the Madinans and there drinking culture (the first 'meeting' pierre puked all over the place and caused allot of amusement), he does know how to reach out to people.
Diplomacy, like many other things is just like warfare:
To wage a defensive war will eventually always lead to submission(suntzu)
Want something? need something? go out there and grab it!
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I think we can say this crusade against SA is all done except for the :'(
Caerwyn lost over 22,000 peasants in their capitol this winter, their whole military is down to about 12k cs and the secession/starvation/looting has dropped their realm income by over 3,000 gold.
Prepare yourselves southern Dwilight! Allison is moving a little bit closer...
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Southern Dwilight... you mean Asylon, D'Hara, and Terran... which all have open religious policies and include viable SA minorities?
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NONE OF YOU ARE SAFE
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Some of us are.
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Some of us are.
MUhahhahhahh muhhahhahah muhahahahah, yes indeed. 8)
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I feel like Terran's pretty safe too :)
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Yeah, and watch, Allison's gonna go all "Arawrawrblagh *foam foam* ATTACK!!!!" to everyone south of Golden Farrow.
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That would give the south a reason to unite against a common enemy. Would be /quite/ interesting...
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That would give the south a reason to unite against a common enemy. Would be /quite/ interesting...
Yes, because we're so disorganized and fractured right now...
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Yeah, and watch, Allison's gonna go all "Arawrawrblagh *foam foam* ATTACK!!!!" to everyone south of Golden Farrow.
Where is the "like" button for this forum?
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And watch as Gustav becomes her loyal attack wolf. He is believing more and more that his path is by Allison's side.
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Yes, because we're so disorganized and fractured right now...
I'm counting Aurvandil, Madina and perhaps the Lurias and Fissoa. The whole south, not southern Occidens.
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Aurvandil would be entirely useless in sending any sort of meaningful aide that far north. Even if they weren't in war with Madina I doubt they could spare even 1000 CS for the length of time it would require to reach the battle lines.
The Lurias are likewise too far to be useful and honestly I doubt we would need them.
Madina on the other hand may be able to send some help and, honestly, I think they would. After their whole "League of Free NAtions" speech it would be hypocritical of them not too.
On the other hand they could take the ultimate douchebag approach and not help us since we didnt help them, even though it would be an entirely different situation.
Even still, its a pretty unrealistic scenario. Our northern most Duke is a loyal Astroist and, unless he is the ultimate betrayer, a loyal Terran as well. In addition, our ruler is another prominent Astroist. There is no reason for Alana to declare war. Although of course, one can always come up or simply be manufactured...
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Also, I feel that Asylon, even with it's SA ties, would aide us.
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The Lurias are likewise too far to be useful and honestly I doubt we would need them.
They're still close enough to some of the Occidental/Southern realms to make a difference ;)
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Also, I feel that Asylon, even with it's SA ties, would aide us.
Asylon is not a theocracy, we follow our ruler. Our nation is composed of 3 separate religions. Probably evenly split down the middle VE/SA with the new CB having a few members. Our nation is constantly being pushed back and forth by whoever has influence and wants to see their religious ideas go a certain way. I personally would rush to Terran's aid in a heartbeat, they took me in after my banishment from D'hara after the revolt there and I have always felt very loyal to Terran. I have always pushed for close relations with Terran. I would say that our nation is split between Caerwyn and Terran for influence and direction.
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Realms which can't support with troops can send gold or food, assuming they have anything to spare.
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Even still, its a pretty unrealistic scenario. Our northern most Duke is a loyal Astroist and, unless he is the ultimate betrayer, a loyal Terran as well. In addition, our ruler is another prominent Astroist. There is no reason for Alana to declare war. Although of course, one can always come up or simply be manufactured...
Indeed.
Really, the worst thing SA could do for SA in Maroccidens is make war on Terran/the Véinsørmoot. It would ensure that a very open and tolerant opinion toward SA was turned into a completely negative one.
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SA doesn't pick its enemies. Its enemies volunteer themselves through some self-selection process we really don't understand. Whenever we need one... *pop* one just shows up.
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Even still, its a pretty unrealistic scenario. Our northern most Duke is a loyal Astroist and, unless he is the ultimate betrayer, a loyal Terran as well. In addition, our ruler is another prominent Astroist. There is no reason for Alana to declare war. Although of course, one can always come up or simply be manufactured...
This is very true; both Astrum and Morek as well as the Elders (thanks to Labell) would be totally against a war against Terran. Allison can go haywire all she wants but she won't have the full support of SA unless we are attacked first.
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And there will be more Astroists in Terran in the future.
No I'm not already planning my next Dwilight character.
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A new war is breaking out (just in)
Libero Empire has declared war on Caerwyn.
Ha! We've got you now, Caerwyn! This was the last thing we needed to seal your fate.
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For the stars~! Eh.. Another big realm disappearing from Dwilight. Well about time we clear out the most annoying realm ever for SA.
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Well it was a fun war. Ultimately Caerwyn picked a fight with too many realms and our allies completely failed us/or imploded. lessons learned.
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Well it was a fun war. Ultimately Caerwyn picked a fight with too many realms and our allies completely failed us/or imploded. lessons learned.
Your allies would have been there had you been attacked. But since you declared...
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Your allies would have been there had you been attacked. But since you declared...
And had not have isolated and ignored Asylon for months at a time.
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Yeah. We dug our own grave on this one. Thr real question now is can we avoid getting our whole body in it.
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Well Caerywn will lose the capital for sure and most of the eastern inner sea regions.
Caerwyn will probably shrink to a single duchy realm. If Caerwyn manage to win against Itau, it will become a dual duchy realm.
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Well Caerywn will lose the capital for sure and most of the eastern inner sea regions.
Caerwyn will probably shrink to a single duchy realm. If Caerwyn manage to win against Itau, it will become a dual duchy realm.
Caerwyn should really put all her efforts into getting peace agreements signed. If not with everyone at once, with key players individually.
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Caerwyn should really put all her efforts into getting peace agreements signed.
They would have to actually propose a peace treaty for that to happen. We're still waiting.
If not with everyone at once, with key players individually.
First, won't happen. Second, I don't think it will matter. At this point, I'm wondering if Caerwyn can even be saved.
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Caerwyn has /some/ bargaining power left. That is only because their walls and RC's have some value. They waited too long. Now their capitol is in ruins froom starvation they don't even appear to be threatening anymore. Swift capitulation might earn them a small amount of gratitude but like Indirik said, they haven't even made any offer of terms. If their first letter about peace could be considered peace terms it was more insulting than anything else.
I would like to try and save one or two of those RC's and the walls. That is the only value that Caerwyn has right now. Their infrastructure is the only thing of value they have.
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For the record I got Caerwyn's proposed peace treaty today. From reading it, you'd almost think that Caerwyn was on the verge of breaking Astrum, rather than in the middle of a death spiral.
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For the record I got Caerwyn's proposed peace treaty today. From reading it, you'd almost think that Caerwyn was on the verge of breaking Astrum, rather than in the middle of a death spiral.
Let me guess: "You will give back all the regions you took from us, as well as a couple of your own, and swear never to set foot on our soil again. Oh, and burn down every Astroist temple."
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Not *quite* that bad. But part of it was that we would all recognize "traditional realm borders", including that Astrum would give back Walefishire.
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What I found most striking about it was what it says about what they think we want.
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I have a hard time believing they will peacefully give Golden Farrow. I know I would fall fighting, leaving the new Astroist colony left to defend itself from the new rogue regions' spawns. Specially since SA is not negotiating with Itaulond, the only one who seems interested in doing it.
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Who would want to negotiate with Itaulond? And why?
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We can just hammer both.. for good.. I would rather face the monsters than the backstabbers.
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The Wolf of Kabrinsky fears no monster!
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I have a hard time believing they will peacefully give Golden Farrow. I know I would fall fighting, leaving the new Astroist colony left to defend itself from the new rogue regions' spawns. Specially since SA is not negotiating with Itaulond, the only one who seems interested in doing it.
We're going to get it one way or another at this point. We have essentially decided that we can't allow them to survive with enough power to ever threaten us again. This more or less demands that we take away Golden Farrow and plant a new realm there to keep them in check. They should be glad. The alternative would be to destroy them outright, burning their cities and sowing their fields with salt so to speak.
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It's a pity they fail at diplomacy so bad. The southern realms could probably brought to actually bring military forces to support Caerwyn, it's no less far-fetched than the participation of all the SA realms we saw. And I think they would all prefer that Caerwyn remain than to see Allison as a neighbor.
Can't just barge in and spark a world war either, though. Caerwyn should have attempted to cut their losses long ago...
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It would have been a slightly different story if they had. But I doubt they would have been able to stop the massive starvation. It's not like a peace treaty would suddenly make food appear.
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It's a pity they fail at diplomacy so bad. The southern realms could probably brought to actually bring military forces to support Caerwyn, it's no less far-fetched than the participation of all the SA realms we saw. And I think they would all prefer that Caerwyn remain than to see Allison as a neighbor.
Can't just barge in and spark a world war either, though. Caerwyn should have attempted to cut their losses long ago...
I think you overstate these possibilities.
Terran would not, in any world, have deployed military forces to support Caerwyn. Even our staunchest anti-SA folks categorically rejected giving military support to Caerwyn. We only ever allied with them out of an emergency attempt at forming a league around the Zuma; no formal alliance terms were ever drafted. They've been polite enough neighbors, but never really the types we would go to great lengths supporting.
If Asylon got in big trouble, we would at least want to help. But with Caerwyn... it's not just a logistical thing. We really don't see any reason why we ought to help. Very few in Terran know anything of Allison, and even those who do, while having a healthy respect for her influence and attitude, view the possibility of her inciting a major war against the Véinsørmoot as quite distant.
Maybe opinions are different in D'Hara, but, in Terran, it would take a pretty radical shift to get us to defend Caerwyn. When Asylon broke their colonial agreement with Terran recently, you didn't see Terran sticking up for Caerwyn, did you? No. You did not. You didn't see us sticking up for Asylon either. In regards to the north, aside from cordial mid-level relations with Asylon, we mostly like to just live-and-let-live.
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The sad part is that even if I do get Golden Farrow my campaign has utterly destroyed the city. It will take me a long time to rebuild to a point where I would be a threat to anyone. :(
On the plus side, the cities population is reduced to a manageable level. I can let it grow without having to worry about having enough food to feed 100k peasants. Or maybe it is 90k, I am not sure what the max population of Golden Farrow is.
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I think you overstate these possibilities.
Terran would not, in any world, have deployed military forces to support Caerwyn. Even our staunchest anti-SA folks categorically rejected giving military support to Caerwyn. We only ever allied with them out of an emergency attempt at forming a league around the Zuma; no formal alliance terms were ever drafted. They've been polite enough neighbors, but never really the types we would go to great lengths supporting.
If Asylon got in big trouble, we would at least want to help. But with Caerwyn... it's not just a logistical thing. We really don't see any reason why we ought to help. Very few in Terran know anything of Allison, and even those who do, while having a healthy respect for her influence and attitude, view the possibility of her inciting a major war against the Véinsørmoot as quite distant.
Maybe opinions are different in D'Hara, but, in Terran, it would take a pretty radical shift to get us to defend Caerwyn. When Asylon broke their colonial agreement with Terran recently, you didn't see Terran sticking up for Caerwyn, did you? No. You did not. You didn't see us sticking up for Asylon either. In regards to the north, aside from cordial mid-level relations with Asylon, we mostly like to just live-and-let-live.
Totally agree and feel the same way.
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The Alliance between Caerwyn and D'Hara is purely defensive. D'Hara had some more sympathy towards Caerwyn in the past, I think, and should the SA Realms for some reason have attacked them, there surely would have been a debate on aiding them somehow. But since they declared War on their own, and with dubious arguments, D'Hara was saved from needing any kind of discussion on the issue. No support at all and no use of our lands by Madina. Now with Terran and Barca, I believe D'Hara has grown more towards them. D'Hara would probably only get involved if there was an attack on the Marrocidens or her Islands. Besides, with Caerwyn's looting tactics, my character disagrees with them more and more (On the other hand, there's quite some hatred coming from the other side as well). The Alliance now is mostly a leftover from the past with the Colony in Port Nebel and all.
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Why is it that Caerwyn is so stubborn? I thought this war might have taught them a little humility but they are still the same way. They seem to hate Allison, which I understand, but why would they let that hatred blind them and lead them to their realms compete destruction?
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Why is it that Caerwyn is so stubborn? I thought this war might have taught them a little humility but they are still the same way. They seem to hate Allison, which I understand, but why would they let that hatred blind them and lead them to their realms compete destruction?
It's not an uncommon problem. In the war between Riombara and Luz de Bia (with various other allies on both sides at various times), after a good long time, Riombara gained the upper hand and was beating Luz de Bia in pretty much every battle, camping out in their capital, and taking almost all their other regions. Riombara offered Luz de Bia peace, multiple times, each time offering back one of the regions we had taken from them. They always refused.
Their counteroffer was, "Give us back all the regions you took from us, and half the regions that were yours when the war began, and we'll let you live."
They wouldn't even accept our help when the Third Invasion came and ended Riombara's attacks on them, and they were destroyed by either the undead or the Daimons.
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I've seen it happen too. While the last two or three peace offers in the war between Ethiala and Arcaea were quite ridiculous (I amused myself by demanding Keffer's head with various garnishes, like having the tongues of all the dungeon guards nailed to it and the like), I offered at least three real peace treaties after it was clear Arcaea was winning, and they amounted to "we stop at current borders, immediately sell you food to save your cities from starving out, and the Ruler who tortured our Ruler and betrayed the alliance has to step down". Counter offer was, like in Delvin's case, that we surrender an entire duchy beyond what we'd taken.
On the other hand, the times when people have agreed to reasonable peace treaties didn't work out so well either, as the people involved just waited until the time was right and threw the treaty to the wind (or, in one case, announced that they would do so when they were in position to be crushed), which has led Jenred to believe that peace treaties in general are a waste of time.
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I think if the terms of Astrum didn't demand Golden Farrow then the treaty would have been accepted. Golden Farrow is Caerwyn in a certain sense. Many a Caerwynian views giving Golden Farrow to the Astroists as the same as destruction anyways. No, if the Bloodstar Alliance wants Golden Farrow, they will have to move the thousands of dead bodies from it.
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It's not an uncommon problem. In the war between Riombara and Luz de Bia (with various other allies on both sides at various times), after a good long time, Riombara gained the upper hand and was beating Luz de Bia in pretty much every battle, camping out in their capital, and taking almost all their other regions. Riombara offered Luz de Bia peace, multiple times, each time offering back one of the regions we had taken from them. They always refused.
Their counteroffer was, "Give us back all the regions you took from us, and half the regions that were yours when the war began, and we'll let you live."
They wouldn't even accept our help when the Third Invasion came and ended Riombara's attacks on them, and they were destroyed by either the undead or the Daimons.
Sounds familiar. When Rio declared war on Enweil...
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I think if the terms of Astrum didn't demand Golden Farrow then the treaty would have been accepted. Golden Farrow is Caerwyn in a certain sense. Many a Caerwynian views giving Golden Farrow to the Astroists as the same as destruction anyways. No, if the Bloodstar Alliance wants Golden Farrow, they will have to move the thousands of dead bodies from it.
Meh, that's what the surviving peasants are for.
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I wonder where all those Caerwynian nobles will go once they lose their realm...
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A few of them may join Astrum, or the new realm. That usually happens. Most will probably go south, or to Asylon. Not really sure, though. Since Terran and D'Hara didn't help them, there may be some hard feelings in there. That's assuming they don't just stick with Caerwyn. So far, there has no been no attempt from Caerwyn to reach a realistic settlement. And no attempt to ask how they are supposed to survive, or work out any kind of deal to allow them to live. i.e. help them retake Itau.
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I wouldn't expect any Caerwyn nobles to come to Asylon. It would be nice and they would be welcomed because we need the manpower but I highly doubt they would join us. We did manage to gain one new player from Itaulond though which was nice!
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Which leaves even further south...Madina and Aurvandil could certainly use them, as could Fissoa and either of the Lurian realms.
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A few of them may join Astrum, or the new realm. That usually happens. Most will probably go south, or to Asylon. Not really sure, though. Since Terran and D'Hara didn't help them, there may be some hard feelings in there. That's assuming they don't just stick with Caerwyn. So far, there has no been no attempt from Caerwyn to reach a realistic settlement. And no attempt to ask how they are supposed to survive, or work out any kind of deal to allow them to live. i.e. help them retake Itau.
Yesterday (and today) they explicitly refused such offers, made by Astrum. Of course we as Corsanctum have little influence in these matters because our power and presence is very limited - a shame for SA, really. In any case it seems that the Caerwyn leadership is stubborn enough to let their entire realm go to waste rather than act like a beaten dog, suck it up, and stay alive to plot revenge on another day. Their loss, I think.
What I find rather strange about this war is that now SA will dominate about half of the continent without a problem (nice hegemony), but it hasn't increased in numbers of nobles as you would expect. In fact, I dare say that it has reduced in nobles while it was continuously gaining ground. Two things come to mind; first, will SA stick together like they do now or will internal conflicts erupt? Second, will they even be able to keep the amount of land they have now, due to the reduced amount of nobles and the increased amount of land to cover.
In Corsanctum we have been discussing for several days now who the Lord of Tamirak should be. We have three units there (our army!) ready to "take it over". I'm sceptical. I think we can't keep it. We have only 18 (19?) nobles in the realm. It will just be another fiasco. The danger of stretching out like SA is doing now, is that you have to do more with less. Nobles will be occupied with keeping their region in control and that will require all their time. If SA is attacked, will they be able to answer strongly without loosing ground in their backyard?
I think the religion needs to attract new nobles by making it more appealing. Right now it's kind of a dead place to me, despite all the warnings that as a full member I would be swamped in messages (biggest lie ever). Hopefully they can set up a "funwar" in between realms which would attract more nobles and keep them busy. But it's all fun and games until someone looses an eye.
A victory for SA, that is for sure, but it's on the verge of imploding because it lacks the appeal to attract the nobles it needs.
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What I find rather strange about this war is that now SA will dominate about half of the continent without a problem (nice hegemony), but it hasn't increased in numbers of nobles as you would expect. In fact, I dare say that it has reduced in nobles while it was continuously gaining ground.
Yes, the religion itself has stopped attracting new nobles.But have the realms? Not everyone in a theocracy is a member of the religion. And at this point, probably everyone on the island who wants to join, has joined. Unless we break into some of the farther southern realms, I don't expect that to really change.
... it's on the verge of imploding because it lacks the appeal to attract the nobles it needs.
Is't that pretty much the same thing for everyone on Dwilight?
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Yes, the religion itself has stopped attracting new nobles.But have the realms? Not everyone in a theocracy is a member of the religion. And at this point, probably everyone on the island who wants to join, has joined. Unless we break into some of the farther southern realms, I don't expect that to really change.
Well, one solution to this is both encouraging nobles to join the Church (or whatever) and work with constantly increasing or "vital" content. This religion should reach out into the very daily aspect of every noble and should supply it with enough material to enable any player to use it properly. I have repeatedly asked the Elders of SA if they could explain their religion in person to me, and most just link you to the wiki... now that's just bad PR. Every elder who takes his or her job a little serious will try to explain religion ingame. It's nice for those who want it that way and it's just plain good roleplay. Linking to a wikipage is like saying "I really don't care enough to explain it". Perhaps there could be religious mentors?
Is't that pretty much the same thing for everyone on Dwilight?
Yes, I still believe that Dwilight is a failed continent. Way too big, way too boring. Religious domination is nice and all but Dwilight, or at least most parts of it, are in a downward spiral concerning numbers of nobles. This doesn't surprise me. I've been in Madina once and that is truly the lousiest most worthless realm ever. It's just... dead silent. Like everyone gave up. Seems like it's spreading to Corsanctum now. Maybe I just bring it with me.
I'm still all in favour of closing down Dwilight or brutally chopping it in half and closing one part down, so there can be more fun elsewhere.
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Sounds familiar. When Rio declared war on Enweil...
*nods sagely*
Yes, and that was what led ultimately to the total destruction of Riom...
Wait, what?
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Well, one solution to this is both encouraging nobles to join the Church (or whatever) and work with constantly increasing or "vital" content. This religion should reach out into the very daily aspect of every noble and should supply it with enough material to enable any player to use it properly. I have repeatedly asked the Elders of SA if they could explain their religion in person to me, and most just link you to the wiki... now that's just bad PR. Every elder who takes his or her job a little serious will try to explain religion ingame. It's nice for those who want it that way and it's just plain good roleplay. Linking to a wikipage is like saying "I really don't care enough to explain it". Perhaps there could be religious mentors?
Asking specific questions is more likely to get you an interesting answers. Everyone has already given a bullet point explanation of the religion, so sending people to the wiki is natural for generic questions.
I suggest you ask again. If the question is specific enough, it's likely to foster debate. I hear some people miss the full member channel epic message volumes....
Yes, I still believe that Dwilight is a failed continent. Way too big, way too boring. Religious domination is nice and all but Dwilight, or at least most parts of it, are in a downward spiral concerning numbers of nobles. This doesn't surprise me. I've been in Madina once and that is truly the lousiest most worthless realm ever. It's just... dead silent. Like everyone gave up. Seems like it's spreading to Corsanctum now. Maybe I just bring it with me.
I'm still all in favour of closing down Dwilight or brutally chopping it in half and closing one part down, so there can be more fun elsewhere.
Doesn't the 20% rise in registration for Dwilight contradict you a bit?
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Doesn't the 20% rise in registration for Dwilight contradict you a bit?
Dwilight is great, but it's the worst place to have a 1 noble per family rule. Though I suppose that keeps more nobles on other, even more fun continents.. ;)
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Asking specific questions is more likely to get you an interesting answers. Everyone has already given a bullet point explanation of the religion, so sending people to the wiki is natural for generic questions.
I suggest you ask again. If the question is specific enough, it's likely to foster debate. I hear some people miss the full member channel epic message volumes....
New people come into a religion. I wouldn't say on a daily basis, but they come quite often. Sending someone to a wiki is... a bummer. It kills my enthusiasm instantly. But maybe others like it.
Doesn't the 20% rise in registration for Dwilight contradict you a bit?
I see what I see, hear what I hear. Never heard of the 20% rise in registration specifically because of Dwilight. Is it SMA that attracts players? Nonsense. Yesterday nobles in Golden Farrow were calling each other pigs and pork, and it has been like that for a long time now.
By the way, from what I hear (and see), the player base is just getting smaller and smaller.
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What's unmedieval about pigs?
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It's not an uncommon problem.
Same with Fontan and Sirion. I applauded Perdan publicly because they acknowledged defeat and could cut a good surrender deal, and now they're making a great comeback. Stubbornness is just one of those things that really ruin a realm.
Yesterday (and today) they explicitly refused such offers, made by Astrum. Of course we as Corsanctum have little influence in these matters because our power and presence is very limited - a shame for SA, really. In any case it seems that the Caerwyn leadership is stubborn enough to let their entire realm go to waste rather than act like a beaten dog, suck it up, and stay alive to plot revenge on another day. Their loss, I think.
Medugnatus had his saying just as Busto did in agreeing on the terms. In addition, Brance added to the treaty all terms that the elders required, and a good portion of the elders are from Corsanctum. If you refer the "a shame for SA" to the fact that Corsanctum should be the holy realm, well, they lost the occasion of doing it, exploiting their "holiness" to obtain secular advantages in a stupid way, making astrum and morek very convinced of not giving them this acknowledgement in the future. Plus don't forget that this war is formally against the church but in practice against Astrum. I think it's quite unlikely that Astrum will settle down to ask what the church orders them to, whatever the church true power comes from - be it Corsanctum or not.
What I find rather strange about this war is that now SA will dominate about half of the continent without a problem (nice hegemony), but it hasn't increased in numbers of nobles as you would expect. In fact, I dare say that it has reduced in nobles while it was continuously gaining ground. Two things come to mind; first, will SA stick together like they do now or will internal conflicts erupt? Second, will they even be able to keep the amount of land they have now, due to the reduced amount of nobles and the increased amount of land to cover.
In Corsanctum we have been discussing for several days now who the Lord of Tamirak should be. We have three units there (our army!) ready to "take it over". I'm sceptical. I think we can't keep it. We have only 18 (19?) nobles in the realm. It will just be another fiasco. The danger of stretching out like SA is doing now, is that you have to do more with less. Nobles will be occupied with keeping their region in control and that will require all their time. If SA is attacked, will they be able to answer strongly without loosing ground in their backyard?
I think the religion needs to attract new nobles by making it more appealing. Right now it's kind of a dead place to me, despite all the warnings that as a full member I would be swamped in messages (biggest lie ever). Hopefully they can set up a "funwar" in between realms which would attract more nobles and keep them busy. But it's all fun and games until someone looses an eye.
A victory for SA, that is for sure, but it's on the verge of imploding because it lacks the appeal to attract the nobles it needs.
I agree. Morek has the same problem, we're dwindling in nobles even if after all war is always there. Can't really objectively say whether it's a fun realm or not for the average knight, but certainly it's not one of the places where you can have a lightning fast career as all large realms. It's just a common problem of bm (or good thing about it) that successful realms will run out of enemies and interesting things to do, thus starting to lose ground and evening up the odds with their neighbors.
I think if the terms of Astrum didn't demand Golden Farrow then the treaty would have been accepted. Golden Farrow is Caerwyn in a certain sense. Many a Caerwynian views giving Golden Farrow to the Astroists as the same as destruction anyways. No, if the Bloodstar Alliance wants Golden Farrow, they will have to move the thousands of dead bodies from it.
Considering that golden farrow starved down to 10.000 peasants, and almost all Caerwyn's rurals are on the brink of revolt I don't see how SA can do more damage.. It's really just a matter of time, a peaceful transition would have speed up things, but everything else it's going to be the same. Caerwyn's regions are already in such a terrible shape that takeovers won't really change anything.
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Yesterday (and today) they explicitly refused such offers, made by Astrum. Of course we as Corsanctum have little influence in these matters because our power and presence is very limited - a shame for SA, really. In any case it seems that the Caerwyn leadership is stubborn enough to let their entire realm go to waste rather than act like a beaten dog, suck it up, and stay alive to plot revenge on another day. Their loss, I think.
What I find rather strange about this war is that now SA will dominate about half of the continent without a problem (nice hegemony), but it hasn't increased in numbers of nobles as you would expect. In fact, I dare say that it has reduced in nobles while it was continuously gaining ground. Two things come to mind; first, will SA stick together like they do now or will internal conflicts erupt? Second, will they even be able to keep the amount of land they have now, due to the reduced amount of nobles and the increased amount of land to cover.
In Corsanctum we have been discussing for several days now who the Lord of Tamirak should be. We have three units there (our army!) ready to "take it over". I'm sceptical. I think we can't keep it. We have only 18 (19?) nobles in the realm. It will just be another fiasco. The danger of stretching out like SA is doing now, is that you have to do more with less. Nobles will be occupied with keeping their region in control and that will require all their time. If SA is attacked, will they be able to answer strongly without loosing ground in their backyard?
I think the religion needs to attract new nobles by making it more appealing. Right now it's kind of a dead place to me, despite all the warnings that as a full member I would be swamped in messages (biggest lie ever). Hopefully they can set up a "funwar" in between realms which would attract more nobles and keep them busy. But it's all fun and games until someone looses an eye.
A victory for SA, that is for sure, but it's on the verge of imploding because it lacks the appeal to attract the nobles it needs.
It's actually the quietest I've ever seen it right now. I blame the war for keeping everyone distracted and focused on other things. It's during peace time that people like Allison start making trouble and getting the whole Church into an uproar.
Just you wait. Eventually this strange cease fire within the Church is going to fall apart. *Someone* is going to say or do something controversial, and then all bets are off. It's not unrealistic for there to be 100 messages waiting for you on a day like that.
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As for Caerwyn, looks like they'd rather die than make peace on our terms. I don't know how they expected us to agree to let them go back to what they were doing before, especially when you've got people like Baal spouting off anti-SA hate rhetoric in Golden Farrow...
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Dwilight is great, but it's the worst place to have a 1 noble per family rule.
IMNSHO, I think the 1-character rule for Dwilight is what makes it one of the more dynamic political environments. You don't have all those realms that are composed of five or six people all with two characters in the realm. Or realms politically welded together by multiple players with one character in each realm.
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IMNSHO, I think the 1-character rule for Dwilight is what makes it one of the more dynamic political environments. You don't have all those realms that are composed of five or six people all with two characters in the realm. Or realms politically welded together by multiple players with one character in each realm.
Well yes, if I could have a 2nd noble I would definitely put it on the other end of the continent. Dwilight is so huge that they would probably never have anything to do with eachother.
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I think if the terms of Astrum didn't demand Golden Farrow then the treaty would have been accepted. Golden Farrow is Caerwyn in a certain sense. Many a Caerwynian views giving Golden Farrow to the Astroists as the same as destruction anyways.
Out of curiosity, what do you think would have been a fair peace treaty?
Keep in the following circumstances:
- Astrum never acted against Caerwyn in any way. In fact, Astrum often was the target of much criticism from many in SA over the federation, which Astrum refused to even consider dropping despite considerable pressure.
- Astrum/Morek/Corsanctum's willingness to rewrite their entire Brotherhood treaty to wording that was more acceptable to Caerwyn.
- The long-planned betrayal that Baal committed, complete with the gloating "Nyah, nyah! Look how bad we fooled you with our epic betrayal!" letters to the rulers.
- The brutality of the attack, which consisted of dozens of counts of KRB per day, and Caerwyn's blunt declaration that they didn't even want to capture the land, they were intent on widespread depopulation and destruction of Astrum through brute force.
- The attack not just on Astrum, but on all of SA as a body.
- The bitter rhetorical attacks on the vileness of SA by many members of Caerwyn.
- Caerwyn's statement that the war was a religious war, carried out by secular means. (This was, I believe, Baal's statement. I take it to mean that the secular power of Caerwyn (and possibly the fleeting organization know as the League of Free Nations) was attempting to destroy the religious institution of SA.)
So, put all that together and see if it makes any sense that Astrum, and SA in general, should accept Caerwyn's offer, which was essentially "We go back to our pre-war borders, and Caerwyn builds one or two temples of SA." Also, keep in mind that those promised temples would both be built by the same noble, and one of them was to be built at some time in the future, contingent on the assumption that Caerwyn could retake Itau, and that Daenah was then elected as Duchess.
At this point in the war it seems fairly obvious from the statements of Caerwyn's nobles that they feel absolutely no contrition or remorse for what they've done. Baal in particular has stated that he's willing to spend the life of, essentially, every noble and peasant in Caerwyn, and the siblings of their nobles' families, too, in order to make it as difficult as possible for Astrum to expand. The only noble of Caerwyn who has shown any sign of being willing to have peace with Astrum is Daenah.
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Ironically Daenah was elected to make peace with Astrum. However when the list of Astrum's demands was voted on the realm it was unanimously rejected.
I don't know what would be accepted by Caerwyn's nobles. As a player I'm a little disappointed to see us go, but the character Graviel is determined to fight it out to the end.
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Ironically Daenah was elected to make peace with Astrum. However when the list of Astrum's demands was voted on the realm it was unanimously rejected.
I don't know what would be accepted by Caerwyn's nobles. As a player I'm a little disappointed to see us go, but the character Graviel is determined to fight it out to the end.
Oh Daenah seems sincere enough. The problem is that we don't trust the rest of you. From our perspective, Caerwyn has gone completely bat$&*% crazy. We've got Baal the Betrayer in Golden Farrow literally raving about imaginary SA plots to dominate the world (though to be fair, I seem to recall that the idea about us taking over the duchies of Dwilight one by one was planted in his head by none other than Allison herself). Can you honestly say we're wrong to fear what would happen if we let Caerwyn rebuild itself?
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Out of curiosity, what do you think would have been a fair peace treaty?
Keep in the following circumstances:
- Astrum never acted against Caerwyn in any way. In fact, Astrum often was the target of much criticism from many in SA over the federation, which Astrum refused to even consider dropping despite considerable pressure.
- Astrum/Morek/Corsanctum's willingness to rewrite their entire Brotherhood treaty to wording that was more acceptable to Caerwyn.
- The long-planned betrayal that Baal committed, complete with the gloating "Nyah, nyah! Look how bad we fooled you with our epic betrayal!" letters to the rulers.
- The brutality of the attack, which consisted of dozens of counts of KRB per day, and Caerwyn's blunt declaration that they didn't even want to capture the land, they were intent on widespread depopulation and destruction of Astrum through brute force.
- The attack not just on Astrum, but on all of SA as a body.
- The bitter rhetorical attacks on the vileness of SA by many members of Caerwyn.
- Caerwyn's statement that the war was a religious war, carried out by secular means. (This was, I believe, Baal's statement. I take it to mean that the secular power of Caerwyn (and possibly the fleeting organization know as the League of Free Nations) was attempting to destroy the religious institution of SA.)
Keeping in these circumstances, did you ever really expect them to accept what you might consider a reasonable treaty?
It's rare that one who has been a King, on the verge of losing his crown, will accept becoming back a simple Knight, with little to no chances of ever becoming King again. Fleeing and trying a new life elsewhere seems more probable.
The analogy means: If Caerwyn gives Golden Farrow, they will stop being the regional top dogs, and become even smaller than Asylon, practically vassals of the new Theocracy (led by their biggest enemy) and a third-rate realm regionally.
Now I question: How did any of you expect someone in their right minds would accept their most hatred enemies are their suzerains, without real chances of coming back (you let it clear that you are cutting them that possibility)?
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Now I question: How did any of you expect someone in their right minds would accept their most hatred enemies are their suzerains, without real chances of coming back (you let it clear that you are cutting them that possibility)?
Because it's better than being dead.
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Now I question: How did any of you expect someone in their right minds would accept their most hatred enemies are their suzerains, without real chances of coming back (you let it clear that you are cutting them that possibility)?
Because the game has shown time and time again that the wheel always turns. That said, no war is ever really over, either. Even if all the original realms and original nobles are gone, someone someday will resurrect the "your old Ruler backstabbed so and so ten years ago, so that gives us the right to throw out this annoying peace treaty while you are conveniently fighting on the other side of the continent" excuse.
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Well guess Caerwynian nobles should find a nice home in the south. I heard they even send you a couple hundred gold coins for fun. Caerwyn doesn't want to lose anything. If they want to die that badly I say we let them.
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Even if all the original realms and original nobles are gone, someone someday will resurrect the "your old Ruler backstabbed so and so ten years ago, so that gives us the right to throw out this annoying peace treaty while you are conveniently fighting on the other side of the continent" excuse.
And that's why I love Battlemaster :)
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And that's why I love Battlemaster :)
Same here! I love the ancient history. One of my favorite things about everyone on the Far East being able to contact Jenred is that somehow he ends up talking with lots of people who predate me in the game and I find out about loads of stuff.
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Oh Daenah seems sincere enough. The problem is that we don't trust the rest of you. From our perspective, Caerwyn has gone completely bat$&*% crazy. We've got Baal the Betrayer in Golden Farrow literally raving about imaginary SA plots to dominate the world (though to be fair, I seem to recall that the idea about us taking over the duchies of Dwilight one by one was planted in his head by none other than Allison herself). Can you honestly say we're wrong to fear what would happen if we let Caerwyn rebuild itself?
No I can't say your wrong to worry Caerwyn would want revenge if allowed. Historically though, harsh peace terms breed hatred. From as an OCC perspective, Caerwyn did kinda go crazy, too much peace melted our brains :P
Baal's SA plot always seemed kinda flimsy on the evidence side and if I recall correctly his source was Allison, maybe not so coincidentally one of the nobles knocking down our door. I'm interested in how well we stay together after Golden Farrow falls, as realms go our seems to be fairly close-knit, if we are destroyed (highly likely) our greatest chance of a comeback would be to mass-immigrate to some realm in dire need of nobles. Join the emerging Lurian Empire as the Lurian-Caerwynian bloc? It would allow our characters to maintain their political power to a higher degree.
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That would be interesting...The lure of that many nobles would be hard for the Lurian realms to turn down. There's a lot of land that could be taken...
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Because it's better than being dead.
This. Also, there's nothing wrong with being a 'third rate realm'. Plenty of people play in one duchy or two duchy realms on Dwilight. We're not asking to appoint their ruler. We're not even demanding converts. We're simply stating that we won't permit them to retain the power to seriously threaten us again, and no peace will be possible until they have given that up or had it taken from them.
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Historically though, harsh peace terms breed hatred.
That's perfect! Since you can't in any way damage Astrum now, pretend to be friendly, accept the peace, lick your wounds and prepare the comeback. Shaking your fists around full of "I will die before accepting your peace" kind of rhetoric is just wasting a lot of potential.
For instance, that was exactly what the Raivan Empire did a lot of time ago. They pretended to be friendly to Morek and just waited the good occasion. As soon as someone else joined them, they attacked Morek on all sides giving them fairly good chances to even the odds of their tiny realm vs a big one. It didn't go well for them, but at least they showed that living besides your arch enemy is certainly not going to be boring.
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Oh Daenah seems sincere enough. The problem is that we don't trust the rest of you.
Not just that. But Caerwyn's proposal was almost written from the perspective of a personal commitment, rather than a realm's commitment. Daenah would build the temple in Golden Farrow. And when Itau was taken and Daenah was made duchess, in an open election no less, she would build a temple in Itau. There was little to nothing in any of her letters that indicated that Caerwyn as a whole would do this, or that "Caerwyn would guarantee this".
The fact that Caerwyn's original proposal was that we all go back to pre-war borders as if nothing had happened was just laughable. So I treated it as a "ask for the moon, and see what you can get" kind of thing on their part. So I wrote back the same thing: a complete list of the absolute most that we wanted. Now, true, we would not have backed off on most of that. But we were willing to negotiate things. However, Daenah did not even acknowledge receipt of my letter. Considering that her prior letter to me included an OOC note about the player not having a lot of time to play, I didn't even know IC that Caerwyn ever got the proposal. At least not until today when the nobles of Caerwyn were ridiculing the treaty before the recent battle.
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Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.
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I would be curious to know what that means. Something about arguing in Carthage... The rest is lost on me.
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Roughly translated: "On other matters it is my opinion that Carthage should be destroyed"
It's a quote from Cato in between the 2nd and the 3d Punic war who ended _every_ speech in the Senate with that sentence. No matter what the subject was. And in the end, Carthage was destroyed.
The discussion here reminds me of the strong rival beaten down but allowed to live... until the Cato in SA gains some influence. :)
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Just google it :)
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Keeping in these circumstances, did you ever really expect them to accept what you might consider a reasonable treaty?
I'm not sure. I knew that there was a rather zealous contingent of Caerwyn that wouldn't. But the letter we got from Daenah painted a rather different picture of a Caerwyn that was down on hard times, and that the majority of the realm never wanted the war, etc., etc. and that they really wanted peace.
It's rare that one who has been a King, on the verge of losing his crown, will accept becoming back a simple Knight, with little to no chances of ever becoming King again. Fleeing and trying a new life elsewhere seems more probable.
The analogy means: If Caerwyn gives Golden Farrow, they will stop being the regional top dogs, and become even smaller than Asylon, practically vassals of the new Theocracy (led by their biggest enemy) and a third-rate realm regionally.
...which could then eventually grow larger, and challenge the oppressive theocracy that forced them to such hard times. As Peri pointed out earlier, this is exactly what Perdan did. Twice. We swallowed our pride and took our lumps. Then we came back and kicked some ass. Both times. The first time we took back even more than we had before. The second war is still going on, but things look very good for Perdan.
If you fight to the end, then you're going to get an ending. And you'll probably like that end even less. You can't live to get your revenge, unless you, you know, survive. And I really wish more realms would take that approach, and agree that they lost. For now...
Now I question: How did any of you expect someone in their right minds would accept their most hatred enemies are their suzerains, without real chances of coming back (you let it clear that you are cutting them that possibility)?
Well, of course we would start things off that way. But you will also note that we did not cut off the possibility of Caerwyn expanding and gaining strength. We specifically did not hedge them into one small set of regions. We left plenty of room for expansion in that agreement. Counting the fact that Caerwyn was going to go to war with Itaulond, and that we would gladly help destroy Itaulond, we wrote in 13 regions that Caerwyn could have, including two townslands and two duchies, without ever having to go to war with Asylon, Terran, or the new theocracy. I don't know the status of regions such as Inklen, Faithill, Barrow Peaks, or Lavendrow, so those are not counted in the 13. That could go up if the Cearwyn/Terran agreement grants them to Caerwyn. Also, it's quite possible that Caerwyn may want to go to war with Asylon, allowing them to take Lower Via. That's a possible 18 regions without too much of a stretch of the imagination. Are those the best possible regions they could have? Of course not. But, then again... Hello! You lost the war!
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I think many believe that a war is not over until one side is dead or destroyed.
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Historically though, harsh peace terms breed hatred.
As Peri said: "That's perfect!" We need more grudges, more strife, and more wars. Besides, is it possible to breed more hatred toward SA into Caerwyn? Given the rhetoric we're seeing, I hardly doubt that Caerwyn would be friendly toward us if we gave them back everything they had before, plus Eidub, to boot!
Baal's SA plot always seemed kinda flimsy on the evidence side and if I recall correctly his source was Allison, maybe not so coincidentally one of the nobles knocking down our door.
Well, Allison's "leaked plot" was a total fabrication designed to get Caerwyn to attack Astrum. She hoped this would force Morek to sign peace with her newly seceded realm, allowing it to live. It didn't really work out, though, as Morek decided to destroy her before marching to aid Astrum. Allison's participation in the war against Caerwyn was a separate ploy manufactured by the now-deceased former ruler of Astrum, Rowan Geronus.
I'm interested in how well we stay together after Golden Farrow falls, as realms go our seems to be fairly close-knit, if we are destroyed (highly likely) our greatest chance of a comeback would be to mass-immigrate to some realm in dire need of nobles. Join the emerging Lurian Empire as the Lurian-Caerwynian bloc? It would allow our characters to maintain their political power to a higher degree.
Just be careful. The Lurian Novan ruler is SA-friendly. Too much anti-SA rhetoric will not make you many friends down there.
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No I can't say your wrong to worry Caerwyn would want revenge if allowed. Historically though, harsh peace terms breed hatred. From as an OCC perspective, Caerwyn did kinda go crazy, too much peace melted our brains :P
Baal's SA plot always seemed kinda flimsy on the evidence side and if I recall correctly his source was Allison, maybe not so coincidentally one of the nobles knocking down our door. I'm interested in how well we stay together after Golden Farrow falls, as realms go our seems to be fairly close-knit, if we are destroyed (highly likely) our greatest chance of a comeback would be to mass-immigrate to some realm in dire need of nobles. Join the emerging Lurian Empire as the Lurian-Caerwynian bloc? It would allow our characters to maintain their political power to a higher degree.
It will be hard to find welcome in some realms with a strident anti-SA attitude. I doubt Asylon or Terran would permit the entrance of a mob of revenge-obsessed Caerwynians bent on sowing conflict with SA. The Lurians might, but then they're so far away from anything SA that it's hard to imagine it mattering. Not the ideal place to go if you want revenge, certainly. Although, such places would seem to be few and far between these days, wouldn't they?
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Well, the Lurian realms are home of a lot of political intrigues and several overlapping factions, so it's very hard to tell their position.
The Nova-Lurian King is very pro-SA, but there is no actual Astroist noble in the whole Luria Nova that I know of, not even the King. And I don't think Astroist presence would be that much welcome by anyone other than the King Amaury, who'd rather keep the divide-and-conquer strategy. And that implies it not getting too big either. I suppose Verdis Elementum would be equally welcome by him, if in a moderate tone.
The Pian-Lurians are deeply entwined with the religion of the Manifest Path, which is present to a lesser extent in Luria Nova too, so they wouldn't likely welcome too warmly zealous Astroists or Elementalists, but might be more receptive to not-religious anti-something immigrants (I think).
And there is the Colony in Shinnen being prepared as we speak. That is a project that could accept some immigrants with less requirements.
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Well, if you're Lurian, there's scant reason not to take in the Caerwynians, other than their manifest untrustworthiness as betrayers of their allies. Of course, that would make them fit right in with the political culture down there, wouldn't it? ;D
I foresee a number of the hardline anti-SA refugees heading for Aurvandil, whose leaders seem to share their attitudes. That seems a very logical home for them. Maroccidens beware...
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lol indeed
The current Lurians /are/ trying to change that political culture, but we'll see how it ends.
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It will be hard to find welcome in some realms with a strident anti-SA attitude. I doubt Asylon or Terran would permit the entrance of a mob of revenge-obsessed Caerwynians bent on sowing conflict with SA. The Lurians might, but then they're so far away from anything SA that it's hard to imagine it mattering. Not the ideal place to go if you want revenge, certainly. Although, such places would seem to be few and far between these days, wouldn't they?
If we leave as a group I imagine that most of will simply be happy to far from the centre of SA.
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If we leave as a group I imagine that most of will simply be happy to far from the centre of SA.
For now...muhahhahha...muhahah...muhahhhahhahha
Ps: Is it like a serious OOG hatred for you guys or is it mainly IG? I can't tell the difference, meaning everyone in Caerwyn is either the best roleplayers or they actually hate SA for real.
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For now...muhahhahha...muhahah...muhahhhahhahha
Ps: Is it like a serious OOG hatred for you guys or is it mainly IG? I can't tell the difference, meaning everyone in Caerwyn is either the best roleplayers or they actually hate SA for real.
Well I can only speak for myself when I say it is entirely IG. For the everyone else? I dunno you'd have to ask them.
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For now...muhahhahha...muhahah...muhahhhahhahha
Ps: Is it like a serious OOG hatred for you guys or is it mainly IG? I can't tell the difference, meaning everyone in Caerwyn is either the best roleplayers or they actually hate SA for real.
Well, we do make great enemies. If you're looking for an epic project, taking down SA isn't a bad objective. I think some players do genuinely dislike SA for various reasons (we are not completely innocent, after all), but many may view it as more of a challenge.
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Turn Asylon into a theocracy that worships the Bloodmoon :-X
Oops, I just spilled your big plan, didn't I? :-[
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Well, we do make great enemies. If you're looking for an epic project, taking down SA isn't a bad objective. I think some players do genuinely dislike SA for various reasons (we are not completely innocent, after all), but many may view it as more of a challenge.
I go out of my way to make sure people hate Allison. I learned long ago that enemies tend to make Battlemaster more fun than friends do. So my goal is to make as many enemies as possible. Most people seem to have a predisposed negative opinion of her. That tells me that I am doing a good job.
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I go out of my way to make sure people hate Allison. I learned long ago that enemies tend to make Battlemaster more fun than friends do. So my goal is to make as many enemies as possible. Most people seem to have a predisposed negative opinion of her. That tells me that I am doing a good job.
Amen.
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I go out of my way to make sure people hate Allison. I learned long ago that enemies tend to make Battlemaster more fun than friends do. So my goal is to make as many enemies as possible. Most people seem to have a predisposed negative opinion of her. That tells me that I am doing a good job.
Yet, somehow, she has gained a large following of nobles.
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Pure Charisma, baby. She's got it. Also, she distinguishes between allies (to betray at a later date when they are no longer convenient) and tools (which she tends to keep and use effectively). Which do you think you are? ;D
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Pure Charisma, baby. She's got it. Also, she distinguishes between allies (to betray at a later date when they are no longer convenient) and tools (which she tends to keep and use effectively). Which do you think you are? ;D
My character is Kabrinsky's Wolf, in his mind her right hand.
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Allison Kabrinski is the best way for a noble with grand plans to get chaos done... As the man behind the curtain pulling the strings, I am pleased with her work. ;D
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Amen.
Having lots of people hate you is overrated.
I prefer just hating everyone and crushing their naive little asses as they wonder why. 8)
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OOC: I do not hate SA, it is merely a flavor, a part of the game environment to make the game more interesting. It is one of the tools of the writers we all are, just as swords, our Scribes, Monsters/Undead, and even the Daemons. It is part of the overall character of Dwilight we all use to add that little extra to our writings and plots.
IC:, my character views it as something that is seeping forever into the hearts of good men to turn them into puppets. Wherever it goes, destruction soon follows.
Overall, I am quite happy with the drama it has caused to make the game interesting. Where would we be without it, we would be trying to find things to battle to keep the "Too Much Peace" effects from destroying us. Dwilight would be boring. It would be very uninteresting without it.
To be honest, I was sure many of the manipulations used against me were fabricated but ICly I had no reason to believe it so I had to go with what my character would know and separate it from what I did know. It is really hard to not act on what the player would know when it could unravel everything. I hope I did it well enough.
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That's extremely respectable. :)
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You did start a fun war. I'm a bit sorry it fell apart just when it was starting to get good.
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There were a lot of things that went wrong.
We had a general quit and join the clergy (Brackern), a general go absent (Kanai) and had to wait for the game to drop him, that hurt alot (There should be a way to remove someone from a position if the player goes AWOL. We had the next general (Amandil) alienate the troops with his demands. Famine and Monster/Undead are really what did us in, it caused all the militia to drop from the capital, over ten thousand CS gone overnight. The splitting of the Realm did no favors either. Of course, with three large realms plus allies against us the only thing we had going for us was the distance.
I really hoped for something epic that would be worth telling to other people to draw them into the game as new potential players. Instead it fell flat.
I wish to tell everyone there is no hard feelings, this is just a game and I am completely aware of this.
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There were a lot of things that went wrong.
We had a general quit and join the clergy (Brackern), a general go absent (Kanai) and had to wait for the game to drop him, that hurt alot (There should be a way to remove someone from a position if the player goes AWOL. We had the next general (Amandil) alienate the troops with his demands. Famine and Monster/Undead are really what did us in, it caused all the militia to drop from the capital, over ten thousand CS gone overnight. The splitting of the Realm did no favors either. Of course, with three large realms plus allies against us the only thing we had going for us was the distance.
I really hoped for something epic that would be worth telling to other people to draw them into the game as new potential players. Instead it fell flat.
I wish to tell everyone there is no hard feelings, this is just a game and I am completely aware of this.
At least with Allison forming her own realm, things might get interesting in the SA church as we will no longer have anyone to unite against...
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Sadly for Caerwyn, they just could not organize enough manpower to attack Eduib (did I even spell this right? lol) outskirt. After making Astrum lose three regions, only region they could attack was EO. They could have tried to go over the mountain regions but that would made them go through 6k of monsters and undeads. Too bad Astrum's region layout is just better than Caerwyn's
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For defending against a hostile realm, yes. For defending against rogues... no.
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At least with Allison forming her own realm, things might get interesting in the SA church as we will no longer have anyone to unite against...
Perhaps you need to re-examine that sentence. Your first statement and your last may not necessarily bear the relationship you posit.
That said, Mathurin's growing more fond of Allison. She must be getting tame :D
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Perhaps you need to re-examine that sentence. Your first statement and your last may not necessarily bear the relationship you posit.
That said, Mathurin's growing more fond of Allison. She must be getting tame :D
Tame? hmmm, clearly I am not doing my job then! :)
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There were a lot of things that went wrong.
We had a general quit and join the clergy (Brackern), a general go absent (Kanai) and had to wait for the game to drop him, that hurt alot (There should be a way to remove someone from a position if the player goes AWOL. We had the next general (Amandil) alienate the troops with his demands. Famine and Monster/Undead are really what did us in, it caused all the militia to drop from the capital, over ten thousand CS gone overnight. The splitting of the Realm did no favors either. Of course, with three large realms plus allies against us the only thing we had going for us was the distance.
I really hoped for something epic that would be worth telling to other people to draw them into the game as new potential players. Instead it fell flat.
I wish to tell everyone there is no hard feelings, this is just a game and I am completely aware of this.
To me you wasted the opportunity at the beginning of the war when Averoth/Thulsoma was raiding the north of Astrum while Caerwyn pillaged the south. You should have strike harder preventing the gathering of more than 40K CS of the SA Brotherhood that destroyed Valkirya. With the close of the northern front your days were counted considering the food that SA can control.
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... considering the food that SA can control.
Sadly, the days of SA having a huge surplus of food are no more. With Morek taking Muspelheim, Corsanctum growing, and Astrum losing quite a bit of farmland, there just isn't the kind of surplus we used to have.
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Sadly, the days of SA having a huge surplus of food are no more. With Morek taking Muspelheim, Corsanctum growing, and Astrum losing quite a bit of farmland, there just isn't the kind of surplus we used to have.
In Morek we had some bad harvests recently and due to lack of knights production isn't at optimal level but if efficiency will increase again we can have again that surplus or at elast I hope so.
Anyway, I think every player that want to smash SA has to study a lot this last war. And food will play always a big role in future conflicts.
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In Morek we had some bad harvests recently and due to lack of knights production isn't at optimal level but if efficiency will increase again we can have again that surplus or at elast I hope so.
Anyway, I think every player that want to smash SA has to study a lot this last war. And food will play always a big role in future conflicts.
For sure! I targeted Caerwyn's food supply and they suffered hard.
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If only those damn peasants have just eaten each other instead of all starving to death, then Golden Farrow wouldn't have starved.
It's all the peasants fault!
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And food will play always a big role in future conflicts.
Food has played a big role in every war in years. On Dwilight it's just worse because of how population growth worked. New immigration code will, I think, change that dynamic.
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Food has played a big role in every war in years. On Dwilight it's just worse because of how population growth worked. New immigration code will, I think, change that dynamic.
We used it to devastate Caerwyn. In two seasons, Golden Farrow starved from 75k+ population to (I think) under 1k today. Ouch.
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Here are my records for Golden Farrow. The city peaked at 76k. It was really interesting to keep track of this and see the progress. Unfortunately for me it is going to take way longer than 2 months to get the city back up to 76k...
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Here are my records for Golden Farrow. The city peaked at 76k. It was really interesting to keep track of this and see the progress. Unfortunately for me it is going to take way longer than 2 months to get the city back up to 76k...
almost 70K dies in one month, jeees, how inhumane...
it will indeed take you more then half a year to build it back up, good luck.. :P
Funny to imagine a extremist character like alison have to wait about half a year until she can start harassing her neighbours.
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almost 70K dies in one month, jeees, how inhumane...
it will indeed take you more then half a year to build it back up, good luck.. :P
Funny to imagine a extremist character like alison have to wait about half a year until she can start harassing her neighbours.
Thankfully I can use that time to take over a few more rural regions around Golden Farrow and I can harass Itaulond.
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Will you fight Asylon?
Asylon could become very important, depending on how it handles all its new refugees.
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Vellos I think you are too naive. You are talking about Allison. Who knows what she will do..
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I did not suggest she wouldn't fight Asylon. I asked if she would. Then I stated that Asylon could become important.
Neither the question nor the statement are naive.
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and I can harass Itaulond.
ooew, we almost forgot about itualond...
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I hardly think they'll survive. 4 nobles for a city + townsland is not that much. They'll starve and be taken down by random monsters before any army can reach them, I think.
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Will you fight Asylon?
Asylon could become very important, depending on how it handles all its new refugees.
At this time it is unlikely I would attack Asylon. Allison has always had a good relationship with Glaumring and the ruler of Asylon. It all really depends on if the Caerwyn refugees in Asylon change the realm too much.
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At this time it is unlikely I would attack Asylon. Allison has always had a good relationship with Glaumring and the ruler of Asylon. It all really depends on if the Caerwyn refugees in Asylon change the realm too much.
Indeed, that is the crux of it. Lysander is already agitating about the fact that Baal the Betrayer has been accepted into Asylon. He's willing to mostly let it go for now, but once we get the colony on its feet it'll be an entirely different story...
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I am so glad to see how well I am liked even though the character is a victim of Allison's manipulations so she is the real enemy, if you think about it. She manipulated entire Realms to get what she wanted.
Well played indeed. My hat is off to you for your well executed plan (OOCly of course).
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I am so glad to see how well I am liked even though the character is a victim of Allison's manipulations so she is the real enemy, if you think about it. She manipulated entire Realms to get what she wanted.
Well played indeed. My hat is off to you for your well executed plan (OOCly of course).
Thanks! Karma is a bitch though... Allison's son on FEI was executed by Lefanis. I am pretty sure Allison has had a bad run in with a Lefanis on Dwilight in her past. It is so much easier to keep track of who is Allison's friend than it is to keep track of who is her enemy. I assume that 90% of the continent is her enemy. There is no such thing as too paranoid.
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Thanks! Karma is a bitch though... Allison's son on FEI was executed by Lefanis. I am pretty sure Allison has had a bad run in with a Lefanis on Dwilight in her past. It is so much easier to keep track of who is Allison's friend than it is to keep track of who is her enemy. I assume that 90% of the continent is her enemy. There is no such thing as too paranoid.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean "they" are not watching, eh?
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I am so glad to see how well I am liked even though the character is a victim of Allison's manipulations so she is the real enemy, if you think about it. She manipulated entire Realms to get what she wanted.
Well played indeed. My hat is off to you for your well executed plan (OOCly of course).
Yes, well, Allison is certainly dangerous any way you look at it. It's actually an open question whether she is more dangerous to SA or to our enemies. I credit Allison for providing the spark that touched off the whole war, but I don't think it would have happened the same way if not for the work of others in priming Caerwyn to believe the worst about SA. Allison merely took advantage of an already volatile situation, and she is actually lucky that things worked out for her so well. She took a huge risk seceding from Morek, and her manipulation of Caerwyn was more of a desperate ploy to guarantee her own survival than a carefully planned plot.
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Yes, well, Allison is certainly dangerous any way you look at it. It's actually an open question whether she is more dangerous to SA or to our enemies. I credit Allison for providing the spark that touched off the whole war, but I don't think it would have happened the same way if not for the work of others in priming Caerwyn to believe the worst about SA. Allison merely took advantage of an already volatile situation, and she is actually lucky that things worked out for her so well. She took a huge risk seceding from Morek, and her manipulation of Caerwyn was more of a desperate ploy to guarantee her own survival than a carefully planned plot.
She's like a cat. Always landing on her feet. Maybe I should adopt that animal for my household symbol. But those early days of the secession were a bit exciting. I bit off more than I could chew. Now I get to try and collect resources from all the rich nobles of SA.
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Caerwyn is so loney these days. Everyone has left for Madina or Asylon already :'(
Time to get on the big boat south.
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She's like a cat. Always landing on her feet. Maybe I should adopt that animal for my household symbol. But those early days of the secession were a bit exciting. I bit off more than I could chew. Now I get to try and collect resources from all the rich nobles of SA.
Well if she finally get her brand new realm things will become more interesting and maybe more black/white, and the whole enemy/friend thing more clear...or maybe not...certainly the show is running on West Dwilight. Morek is peaceful and calm now that we can spent time meditating, relaxing and dueling in a training match circuit just to keep skills sharp (not so bad after 3 real years with the inbox always full of messages)
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Caerwyn is so loney these days. Everyone has left for Madina or Asylon already :'(
Time to get on the big boat south.
If you head to Madina it's like going in a new continent, if you go to Asylon it's going to continue to deal with Astrum and SA... a really interesting choice
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If you head to Madina it's like going in a new continent, if you go to Asylon it's going to continue to deal with Astrum and SA... a really interesting choice
It'll take us a while to settle the Aurvandil war, then rebuild some.
After that time to form a Southern Bloc I think. I mean, we got SA to the North, the Moot to the West, and the PeL/Luria Nova faction to the East. Clearly we need one in the South just to keep things even :D
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It'll take us a while to settle the Aurvandil war, then rebuild some.
After that time to form a Southern Bloc I think. I mean, we got SA to the North, the Moot to the West, and the PeL/Luria Nova faction to the East. Clearly we need one in the South just to keep things even :D
A bloc of... Madina? Madina + Fissoa? You may have waited too long to get started on your hegemony, but you have an interesting opportunity now that all these Caerwynian nobles are showing up. If Madina and Aurvandil weren't at eachother's throats you could from a real bloc. You could even unite to potentially challenge the power of the Veinsormoot and push back against Barca's claims. Think about it... ;)
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Aurvandil will be replaced by a new Realm once we wipe them out :)
I'd go with just expanding the power base of Madina, but I couldn't quite work that one out with everyone sadly :(
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Aurvandil will be replaced by a new Realm once we wipe them out :)
I'd go with just expanding the power base of Madina, but I couldn't quite work that one out with everyone sadly :(
Ah, but you lack the nobles to replace Aurvandil, don't you? With them you might be a true bloc. Without them you're likely to be eclipsed by the Veinsormoot, unless you are able to step up your recruitment and retention dramatically.
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Ah, but you lack the nobles to replace Aurvandil, don't you? With them you might be a true bloc. Without them you're likely to be eclipsed by the Veinsormoot, unless you are able to step up your recruitment and retention dramatically.
Indeed. With current the current trend in gains of Nobles, by the time Madina has enough Nobles to recolonize the area, it is likely Barca will already be big enough (especially with aid from Terran and D'Hara) to spoil any possible colony attempt if they want.
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Unless they decide to work with the Lurians, which may already be starting...
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Asylon has become very interesting indeed.
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Indeed. With current the current trend in gains of Nobles, by the time Madina has enough Nobles to recolonize the area, it is likely Barca will already be big enough (especially with aid from Terran and D'Hara) to spoil any possible colony attempt if they want.
They should have enough nobles from Caerwyn to start up the Candiels duchy. Barca has already made angry noises about Twainville though.
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Funny how people suggest Madina to 'get along' with Aurvendil... ???
Hows that even possible?
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The power of the moot' is overated anyway.
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Overated? We never had to amass our full strength. Barca is still growing, Terran has a strong military, and D'Hara should be able to double their military force. Madina and a possible new Caerwynian republic can't counter our strength. ;)
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Overated? We never had to amass our full strength. Barca is still growing, Terran has a strong military, and D'Hara should be able to double their military force. Madina and a possible new Caerwynian republic can't counter our strength. ;)
Honestly, we'll never know that until someone challenges you. If you're good, you'll be able to amass some serious strength. But since you've never had to do it, then when the times comes to do it, I imagine it will take quite some time to shake off the rust.
One good thing you have in your area is the lack of serious monster attacks. That's one of the things that keeps us busy in the north. (And keeps PeL and Morek busy, too!) Perhaps one day, when you have expanded to fill all those rogue regions around you, you'll have to challenge the Zuma for more land. That's what I'm hoping to see. :) A Viensormoot/Zuma war. :P Woohoo!
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(And keeps PeL and Morek busy, too!)
It does?
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One good thing you have in your area is the lack of serious monster attacks. That's one of the things that keeps us busy in the north. (And keeps PeL and Morek busy, too!) Perhaps one day, when you have expanded to fill all those rogue regions around you, you'll have to challenge the Zuma for more land. That's what I'm hoping to see. :) A Viensormoot/Zuma war. :P Woohoo!
It would certainly be cool to challenge the Zuma, however the barren lands they occupy aren't worth the trouble. And even if we can defeat the Zuma, will Dwilight remain free from those Daimons?
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Well, I thought so. I figured you would have lots of monsters on your southern border. I know Astrum is constantly battling hordes of invading monsters on our northern and western borders.
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Well, I thought so. I figured you would have lots of monsters on your southern border. I know Astrum is constantly battling hordes of invading monsters on our northern and western borders.
It's not nearly as bad as it once was.
Then again, I'm not doing the grunt work anymore. It makes things look easier.
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Well, I thought so. I figured you would have lots of monsters on your southern border. I know Astrum is constantly battling hordes of invading monsters on our northern and western borders.
It varies a lot. Sometimes we're attacked regularly, sometimes no one shows up and we're hit by too much peace quite hard before we can organize an expedition deep into the area around Unterstrom to find monsters to battle. We have a lot of adventurers maybe that explains it, but organizing pointless expeditions just to avoid too much peace sounds a bit stupid sometimes.
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Luria Nova is having that sorts of expeditions atm. I literally had to sacrifice half of one army in order to stop the TMP destroying the realms regions. it is annoying I guess, especially since there isn't a single monster to be found in all of Forland :p
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Luria Nova is having that sorts of expeditions atm. I literally had to sacrifice half of one army in order to stop the TMP destroying the realms regions. it is annoying I guess, especially since there isn't a single monster to be found in all of Forland :p
As far as I understood, too much peace does not hurt regions anymore. What drops are acceptable tax rates, units and militia training and the amount of recruits/draft you have available in your regions.
While maybe it's not so devastating, it is kinda annoying to read that your realm is bored. Especially when it's right :p
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It can be quite hurtful to have taxes of 5% hurting your production and trade, even at 200% productivity and 300% authority estates.
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Honestly, we'll never know that until someone challenges you. If you're good, you'll be able to amass some serious strength. But since you've never had to do it, then when the times comes to do it, I imagine it will take quite some time to shake off the rust.
The thing is even though we haven't actually engaged an enemy yet, we've been quick to mobilize on two occasions when we felt our military might be needed. Once at the start of the Aurvandil- Madina conflict when we felt that Aurvandil would be a good ally and once when Port Nebel was threatened by Novans.
Both times Terran was able to quickly and efficiently amass a reasonably large amount of forces where they were needed.
Not to toot my own horn but Terran's military is quite organized and her marshals are all competent and dedicated.
If Madina couldn't take care of Aurvandil by itself, I doubt it would be able to take on Barca and her allies, even with the help of Caerwyn's refugees. But then again, maybe we can all be friends :P
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Both times Terran was able to quickly and efficiently amass a reasonably large amount of forces where they were needed.
Mustering forces does not equal fighting a war. :) I've seen quite a few realms that thought they could kick butt, but then totally fell flat on their faces when it came time to do it against a human realm.
But really, if you can do it, then kudos.
If Madina couldn't take care of Aurvandil by itself, I doubt it would be able to take on Barca and her allies...
Madina, a threat to Terran/Barca? You'd have to be smoking the "wacky tobaccy" to think that would ever happen. No offense to Madina, but they appear to be barely able to hold onto their own homelands.
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Madina, a threat to Terran/Barca? You'd have to be smoking the "wacky tobaccy" to think that would ever happen. No offense to Madina, but they appear to be barely able to hold onto their own homelands.
Hey now, that was more due to lack of nobles than anything. We were down to 9 nobles at one point with 7 regions.
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But then again, maybe we can all be friends :P
This.
As much fun as a rival Madinan bloc would be to the Véinsørmoot, as a player, I really, really want to see a united Maroccidens. Formally, the Véinsørmoot claims to be a body representing the whole Maroccidens and, to some degree, the Mesoccidens. Whatever realm ends up holding Candiels somewhere down the line, we'd really like to co-opt them into the Véinsørmoot: not in order to keep Madina weak, but because, really, we want a strong Maroccidens. That's the goal. The objective is that we all start to get TMP, then, to stave it off, either fight the Zuma, or go on expeditions against foreign foes.
Terran's army is pretty good. D'Hara and Terran together can assemble about 10,000-12,000 CS in a pinch for one long campaign. Whether we can reliably do it is quite unknown. Our borders are pretty defensible; the D'Haran ports are tough nuts to crack, militarily (though starvation can do it).
Ideally, for the Véinsørmoot to be effective, it needs to have sufficient soft power to avoid wars in the first place, then enough power to secure all borders defensively, and have good first-strike capabilities. Terran's armies are specifically structured towards that end: we have an army whose purpose, essentially, is to be constantly on-call to go marching off to defend someone else's land. That army is plenty to tip the balance defending a fortified position, or launch a raid in enemy back-country... but it's not big enough to contest a field against a national army, and I doubt the Véinsørmoot can sustain long-term deployments of full armies from Terran and D'Hara.
But beating a colony in Candiels wouldn't require that. All it would require is a solid defense of Paisly combined with sporadic raids down the peninsula. That sort of war I am entirely confident the Véinsørmoot could win. If the Lurian realms decided to attack us, we'd be in for a painful war. But keeping Candiels in line if we want to is certainly manageable.
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I'm concerned about the TMP aspect really of a united south-west.
Madina was hitting distance-related morale drops, even on mercenary settings just marching into Terran lands. It's not that many regions - but distance wise its HUGE. ~700 miles between Madina territory and Paisly.
Besides, Barca is not making themselves a friend of the new colony in the south with all theiir "leave aurvandil alone or we'll be at your throats" talk.
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Besides, Barca is not making themselves a friend of the new colony in the south with all theiir "leave aurvandil alone or we'll be at your throats" talk.
Barca is making threats all on its own?
ROTFL.
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ROTFL.
Exactly :)
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I made it pretty clear that I wouldn't look the other way when a group of foreign refugees dictates the course of a civil war.
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I made it pretty clear that I wouldn't look the other way when a group of foreign refugees dictates the course of a civil war.
Except, that they got an influx of Caerwyn nobles as well. So it's kinda balanced :P
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I made it pretty clear that I wouldn't look the other way when a group of foreign refugees dictates the course of a civil war.
I think they are making it pretty clear that they think whether or not you look the other way is pretty irrelevant to them :)
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I think they are making it pretty clear that they think whether or not you look the other way is pretty irrelevant to them :)
From an IC perspective, Graviel pretty much thinks Barca's stance is like a medieval version of the UN. He has received an angry letter from them, telling them how angry they are! That's about it though.
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From an IC perspective, Graviel pretty much thinks Barca's stance is like a medieval version of the UN. He has received an angry letter from them, telling them how angry they are! That's about it though.
Not... An Angry Letter! *gasp*
Seriously, I laughed out loud when I read this, mostly because it's so true...
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I made it pretty clear that I wouldn't look the other way when a group of foreign refugees dictates the course of a civil war.
The civil war it's self was the result of foreign nobles... :P
There three Madinans in Aurvendil.
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I think they are making it pretty clear that they think whether or not you look the other way is pretty irrelevant to them :)
Yes, in the end there isn't much what I can do.
The civil war it's self was the result of foreign nobles... :P
There three Madinans in Aurvendil.
I get so tired of hearing this.. :o
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Yes, in the end there isn't much what I can do.
I get so tired of hearing this.. :o
Apparently you forgot ;)
Because with that knowledge it doesn't make sense to say: "hey those cearwynians can't join Madina or Aurvendil because there should be no foreign influence in there civil war."
Offcourse, its more then logical that especially Barca will do all it can to keep things as they are.
Just the thought of a unified South with a strong foothold on 'your' Marocidens will give any Barcan the creeps.
Forcing peace will result in a very very divided south, keeping the conflict alive outside the battlefield, weakening both parties.
Also good for trade.
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Yes Libero rebels joined Madina and planned this whole succession from the start. Fool someone else with that.
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Yes Libero rebels joined Madina and planned this whole succession from the start. Fool someone else with that.
I do not know how much they planned, but if you look at there family histories you see they started playing and went almost straight for a rebellion in Libero, then they came to Madina and claimed the candiels duchy which they shortly after succeeded.
The role of Florence is vague here, who apointed all of them to all the lord positions in the duchy just before they succeeded
I think they came to Madina with only goal in mind: take it over.
The reason they must be an OOC group is because they sticked together as a group from the beginning they started in Libero and seen no roleplays or messages in Madinan stating there characters friendship or any thing like it.
As a player they justw ant a realm for there own, not to have fun and play the game, no they have an OOC goal for there entire IC motivation.
Why do you have to put on an attitude about this, you don't even have a character in Aurvendil or Madina?
How would you know better then me for example, who has been with it from the start?
And again, i am actually happy with an enemy like Aurvendil, like most other players in Madina.
As i said before, i'd advise anyone to join either realm, Madina or Aurvendil, just because the war is intense and fun.
Still OOC groups like this could seriously harm this game.
Fortunatly, the problem seems to solve it's self(no active diplomacy very anti social)
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I think they are making it pretty clear that they think whether or not you look the other way is pretty irrelevant to them :)
I just find it humorous that Barca is making threats that require military force without even notifying the people who would actually be enforcing them: Terran and D'Hara. I mean, I like seeing a more independent Barca, but it is funny to me to see them all pumped up and feeling powerful.
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In every other thread SA hijacks the thread. I fear that Barca has hijacked our own thread in revenge...
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I just find it humorous that Barca is making threats that require military force without even notifying the people who would actually be enforcing them: Terran and D'Hara. I mean, I like seeing a more independent Barca, but it is funny to me to see them all pumped up and feeling powerful.
If you read the letters, the only real threats made by me is when there was a possible violation of Barca's claims. In that cause, I know I have the support of my allies. And that aside, Vigilans and Marche received all those letters as well.
I do not know how much they planned, but if you look at there family histories you see they started playing and went almost straight for a rebellion in Libero, then they came to Madina and claimed the candiels duchy which they shortly after succeeded.
The role of Florence is vague here, who apointed all of them to all the lord positions in the duchy just before they succeeded
I think they came to Madina with only goal in mind: take it over.
The reason they must be an OOC group is because they sticked together as a group from the beginning they started in Libero and seen no roleplays or messages in Madinan stating there characters friendship or any thing like it.
As a player they justw ant a realm for there own, not to have fun and play the game, no they have an OOC goal for there entire IC motivation.
Why do you have to put on an attitude about this, you don't even have a character in Aurvendil or Madina?
How would you know better then me for example, who has been with it from the start?
And again, i am actually happy with an enemy like Aurvendil, like most other players in Madina.
As i said before, i'd advise anyone to join either realm, Madina or Aurvendil, just because the war is intense and fun.
Still OOC groups like this could seriously harm this game.
Fortunatly, the problem seems to solve it's self(no active diplomacy very anti social)
You can not prove this. I also have one RLF in game. We play together in Ibladesh, and on occasion we have helped each other in the past. But I have played battlemaster for more than 4 years now, and I know a lot of families who I do enjoy playing with and other families who I rather avoid. And it could be perfectly possible that the group does not even have a ooc relationship.
However, if what you say is true, Florence was still chosen by the majority of Madina to rule as Grand Dogess.
I am sorry if my attitude seems hostile or anything. It is not my intention. However I do want to state that you make some serious accusations.
In every other thread SA hijacks the thread. I fear that Barca has hijacked our own thread in revenge...
LOL
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In other news there are only 600 peasants left in Golden Farrow.
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Asylon gained the most of that war. Astrum and the new realm 2nd and 3rd respectively.
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However, if what you say is true, Florence was still chosen by the majority of Madina to rule as Grand Dogess.
I am sorry if my attitude seems hostile or anything. It is not my intention. However I do want to state that you make some serious accusations.
She was also banned by a unanimous vote, despite her claim to be "the rightful dogess" (which is fun, because it's an elected position no individual has claim to be the rightful Doge).
And yes, we are quite aware of the seriousness. However there are quite a few questionable things which, while not being proof do not sit well with the players from Madina.
1) The entire first wave of "rebels" were the very same ones who were from the Libero Rebellion - in a private group of Lords we had already expressed concern about their IG behaviours being OOCly tied prior to the Rebellion.
2) Almost all the families that joined initially have some tie to the original group - Florence and Mendicant's players share Realms with other characters, etc. Why else appoint a player who had been in the Realm less than 3 months to a Dukeship when we had plenty of other nobles who had far more time in the Realm and were much more endorsed by the council?
Regardless, we know there is not enough evidence, so the matter is really kind of moot. We've basically dropped it in game. Though their endless supply of gold is really starting to irritate me :D
We'll simply pound them into the ground and take back Candiels in retribution :)
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Asylon gained the most of that war. Astrum and the new realm 2nd and 3rd respectively.
Asylon hasn't really gained a lot. You got Via and a could of rural regions. Most of the regions that joined you will be turned over to the new realm in due time. :P
Getting Via and rural regions essentially for free was a big win for Asylon. What are they going to do with their new found friends?
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Getting Via and rural regions essentially for free was a big win for Asylon.
Yep. Asylon definitely came out ahead, all for the price of doing nothing at all except betraying a treaty Caerwyn couldn't enforce. :) Seriously, I'm shocked that the Caerwyn people joined Asylon, after the stunt Asylon pulled with Via.
What are they going to do with their new found friends?
Attack Itaulond?
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Yep. Asylon definitely came out ahead, all for the price of doing nothing at all except betraying a treaty Caerwyn couldn't enforce. :) Seriously, I'm shocked that Caerwyn people joined Asylon, after the stunt Asylon pulled with Via.
Attack Itaulond?
With friends like you guys who needs enemies. ;D
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Asylon hasn't really gained a lot. You got Via and a could of rural regions. Most of the regions that joined you will be turned over to the new realm in due time. :P
Getting Via and rural regions essentially for free was a big win for Asylon. What are they going to do with their new found friends?
Hmm, we acquired 6 regions and we're probably going to hold on to 4 with 3 of them maxed out in populations. I'd say we gained a lot. :D
In contrast, The new colony is going to receive a city(albeit a city with good potential!) with 600 peasants and a few soon to be depopulated rogue regions.
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All a part of my grand scheme... 8)
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All a part of my grand scheme... 8)
Just as planned...
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Just sent Tom the secret codes that allow SA total victory...
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Muahahahaha! Fear the Wolf of Kabrinski! I shall convert you heathens or put your heads on the spikes of my vanguard's banners!
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Muahahahaha! Fear the Wolf of Kabrinski! I shall convert you heathens or put your heads on the spikes of my vanguard's banners!
Warning: do not consume more then one realm a year while taking Sanguis Astroism. Consumption of excess Sanguis Astroism can cause nausea, upset stomach and delusions of grandeur. If you consume more then the recommended dosage, induce vomiting.
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Warning: do not consume more then one realm a year while taking Sanguis Astroism. Consumption of excess Sanguis Astroism can cause nausea, upset stomach and delusions of grandeur. If you consume more then the recommended dosage, induce vomiting.
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