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BattleMaster => Locals => Beluaterra => Topic started by: Tom on July 18, 2012, 03:14:36 PM
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Have to post something on that OOC because... well, you'll see.
The 5th Invasion will end on Friday. However, some updates may not come until next week because I am at a festival over the weekend. Whatever happens during the next few days can still change a few things, so there is not so much that I can really prepare in advance and just roll out.
So there will be a couple things that I can write out to you in an in-game posting but where the actual updates to map, database or whatever else is necessary will lag behind a little. I'm posting this here so there is no confusion as to what the in-game reality is: Whatever I post in the final invasion roleplay is what is real, if anything in the game says otherwise, that is because I can't update it from 400 km away without a computer while enjoying some cool live music.
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So we won't get an extension on the deadline?
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Isn't Friday already an extension?
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I was thinking more like the end of the month, just enough time to kill western blight daimon again
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Friday is the exact day that Overlord named in his "countdown" message (not by date, but if you count the number of days).
There will be no extensions, unless in-game actions cause them.
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I thogh the end woud be more peacefull. All this portal guard ganging was trully unexpected.
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I think if we kill those portal daimons we might be able to extend the deadline :o
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Friday is the exact day that Overlord named in his "countdown" message (not by date, but if you count the number of days).
There will be no extensions, unless in-game actions cause them.
I now...but a man can dream!
Specially when there are all that land covered from the blight, i feel like it's xmas and i'm slowly opening the gifts
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If bilgh stays where it is know it should be fine. Would have been a horor if blight remained unremuvable like during the fourth invasion.
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I think if we kill those portal daimons we might be able to extend the deadline :o
Be nice to the Portal Guardians and hope that one of them attacks Rines without the other Portal Guardian attacking as well, there might be a small chance then.
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Since the eastern Portal Guardian was delayed reaching Cjelegy there are good chances of both of them attacking Rines at the same time - Thursday sunset. Over 60.000 scouted CS. This is going to be a lot more interesting than I like. I'd have hoped that at least one of 'em would go and bother someone else for some time. I actually find myself hoping that one of them attacks Athol - gruesome when you hope to have a city overrun by those beasts.
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Since the eastern Portal Guardian was delayed reaching Cjelegy there are good chances of both of them attacking Rines at the same time - Thursday sunset. Over 60.000 scouted CS. This is going to be a lot more interesting than I like. I'd have hoped that at least one of 'em would go and bother someone else for some time. I actually find myself hoping that one of them attacks Athol - gruesome when you hope to have a city overrun by those beasts.
Wut?! Bad High Constable! That's my city!
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friday... as in sunrise? or end of friday (sunset)?
i reckon eastern guardian won't actually get to rines, if he loot cjelegy or doesn't continue travel.
he'll arrive in cjelegy on thursday sunrise... roads to rines (or anywhere) could be bad.
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But two Portal Guardians assaulting Rines would be a nice ending with a bang to the Invasion :)
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... or they can always do the old athol margos daimon magnet thingy...
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if they are doing the bang.. the least they can do is kill my hero...
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I think if we kill those portal daimons we might be able to extend the deadline :o
I agree though I am also thinking it might be only for that direction.
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I know we had a bad experience, early on in the invasion with portal stones, but has anyone thought about what would happen if a portal stone was used in the vicinity of a portal Daimon?
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I wonder if this will be similar to the End of Evangelion.
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I know we had a bad experience, early on in the invasion with portal stones, but has anyone thought about what would happen if a portal stone was used in the vicinity of a portal Daimon?
We would force Tom to come up with an even worse consequence than before, maybe? ;)
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Maybe, or it may do something we werent expecting? ;)
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I wonder if this will be similar to the End of Evangelion.
Oh god no. Two people left standing? :o
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Will one of them be a Riombaran?
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Will one of them be a Riombaran?
And the other will be a Thalmarkian female?
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I know we had a bad experience, early on in the invasion with portal stones, but has anyone thought about what would happen if a portal stone was used in the vicinity of a portal Daimon?
Please try. Please. Pretty please with sugar and creme...
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... you want to drop a load of them stones on the ground somewhere?
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If it doesn't work the first time, it surely will work the second time :)
Well, seems Athol Margos and Rines are under attack. Let's see what happens. Will Riombara be lucky yet again?
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... you want to drop a load of them stones on the ground somewhere?
That's so evil, I really should've come with it myself. Shame on me.
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Given that it took lots of adventurers the time between the last invasion and this one to come across enough portal stones to make a mess of things I doubt we'll get enough of them to make an even worse mess by tomorrow. My advy has one if someone wants to try ;)
I actually think he is in Rengo...
Now he only needs five moore.
Hmmm.....
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It looks like the regions that are semi-blighted and under Netherworld control have gotten..well..crappified. For example Luhgrethen has gone from 427 gold to 42 gold and from 52 bushels to 35.
Is this intentional and part of the invasion ending or a bug?
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I think it is intended. Tepmona who produces a large part of Melheds food was barely selfsufficient when shadowed. It produced gold as normal, but you couldn't hold court so it was hard to maintain the place...
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I think it is intended. Tepmona who produces a large part of Melheds food was barely selfsufficient when shadowed. It produced gold as normal, but you couldn't hold court so it was hard to maintain the place...
Yeah, that's because of low production.
These gold and food values have actually changed on the region details page which would make them permanent.
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very odd, those numbers do not change because of production (i assume you are talking about the region details page)
even stranger... the numbers only changed in the last few days.... the last time i looked at Rueffilo (which was like 2 days ago), the numbers were higher than that of Avengmil... not now... what has changed?
Rueffilo has been unblighted since we whacked a few daimons commanders. it's still under netherworld control... is that why?
Rueffilo was 900? (since avengmil is 800), now 100.
i think food hasn't really changed.. much
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Looks like all the regions the Netherworld holds got their gold reduced. Eykfar is 10% of what it was before. It was 600 something a few days ago, I remember posting about it on the forum. Now its 60.
Reeds: 160 gold
Zuhle: 27 gold
Eg Tutnu: 28 gold
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Uh...lets hope this is a bug - or preparation to change the netherworld regions to rogue regions. If the freed regions are reduced in gold by 80-90% then freeing them was rather pointless (from a heartless noble 'peasants are my cattle' point of view).
Sassan will consider these reports as coming from incompetent ex-netherworld obeying scribes trying to hide the fact that they are heavily embezzling taxes now that their masters are looking less than all-powerfull.
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It's probably a bug. The values have not been intentionally changed.
This is one of the things that will have to wait until I am back next week.
Almost all in-game events have now been posted. I'll do the rest and then leave you to... celebrate the ashes of your world or something. :-)
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Spoilers below - go in-game first and read the roleplay events posted there.
This is the end of the 5th Invasion.
Here is what the in-game mechanics should be post-invasion. Anything that is different from what I post below is a bug and will be fixed after I return. Also, if one of the great people who made the Dwilight map by copy & paste wants to make the new coastline, that would be great. I have an image file without the quickly-drawn in coast it uses right now that I can send you.
All lands that were covered in Blight have sunken into the ocean, taking everything and everyone with them. They will never be recovered, they have actually been deleted from the database.
Where you see faint cities in the ocean on the map that is what you actually see from the coast there - these cities seem to have been left behind, they are well under the ocean surface, too deep for divers in the time period BM is set in, but when the water is clear you can barely make them out.
Regions covered by dark clouds are back to normal. They seem to have left no permanent effect.
Some regions that used to be inland or at a river are now on the coast. For simplicity, their economy has not been changed, so you won't find "fishing" listed for any of them. That's because we are working on another, final and much better economy re-balance.
The lake at the south islands, between Enweilios and Rines is now part of the ocean.
The remaining Daimon troops have been left behind. They are now stranded on your world with no leadership. They will survive as long as they can feed on human flesh, which they will do - so: good hunting.
You may have to force-reload some pages (especially maps) to see the changes, due to your browser caching the old image files.
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I havent read your post yet, except for the first red thingy, and well... Fingolfin in Thalmarkin has not received any event-RP yet. According to Iscee Plaraveen's report IG it seems like OG received it though.
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Aww no Nuzanki ;_;
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Thank you, Tom, for the awesome Invasion. It was great fun and I, and I'm sure many others, have really enjoyed it! Thanks for all the hard work and time you put in it :)
So it seems we have one back Southern Funnel towards the Northern Lands. This could be interesting.
I send the RP from the Southern Portal Guardian to the Rulers so I'm assuming everyone will receive it soon.
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aww... would have been interesting if southern portal got himself killed... he was wounded!
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eh.. have you dropped the stones yet? wouldn't it be interesting if someone opens one up now...?
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Thanks from me as well - the fifth invasion ranks as one of the best experiences of a many-year-long BM experience. Note that I had many of the most enjoyable gaming-moments due to BM...and that BM is the one game that has drawn me back again and again, far more than any comercial title.
So for this invasion, for this game, for your time, for your awesome commitment - my heartfelt thanks!
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It's probably a bug. The values have not been intentionally changed.
This is one of the things that will have to wait until I am back next week.
That's good to know. Enjoy the weekend.
Also, posted a reminder on the bugtracker ;)
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I havent read your post yet, except for the first red thingy, and well... Fingolfin in Thalmarkin has not received any event-RP yet. According to Iscee Plaraveen's report IG it seems like OG received it though.
They were posted near where the portal daimons where. I'll have Ivagil send you a copy.
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Riombara looks ridiculous(ly awesome). Good luck to Enweil in the inevitable future war.
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They were posted near where the portal daimons where. I'll have Ivagil send you a copy.
I copied the realm. :)
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What I would dearly like to know is what would have happened if we had managed to kill a Portal Guardian...
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I would guess that it would have freed the entire region he represented. Too bad the north couldn't find theirs and too bad we didn't get lucky against the southern guardian. We wounded him three times; I guess getting that lucky again was a bit much to ask.
Also, Evander and his unit weren't there, and clearly they're the best daimon-killers Riombara has :)
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Wasn't the north fully cleared? Just had black clouds regions I believe, so maybe that's why the north portal guardian didn't show.
I think the bad thing was that we couldn't clear the east regions, that would be good...
Now I think the best place to be is either Sint, Nothoi or Riombara
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No, there were definitely regions north of what's there. Compare it to the map of Atamara and you'll see what I mean.
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Are you sure?
If you look at the political map, the rogue flags on bigthed regions are over the same regions that are now cleared...
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Which is probably just a bug. Tom did say he's not available this weekend, meaning that there will be bugs and other issues he can't address right away. So far as I can tell, a belt of regions that was formerly the entire northeast coast of BT is gone.
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Wasn't Enwelleos unlbigthed? I don't remember seeing it being blighted again...
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It was blighted by Midnight of the South afterwards once more.
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I see
yeah looking at Atamarra's map, there is a few regions missing, 4-5 counting two cities...
A lot of cities were lost with this invasion...
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Well, a lot of Cities were already lost in the 4th Invasion, some of them have even been reclaimed now. Of course, we lost our chance to reclaim them now, unless we start poldering.
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There were more than for region north of Sint. Jobo's Mouth- the netherworld capital was just north of Fianik.
Basicly the map has been cut clean of certain regions. Now that anoying black stuff needs to be removed from the political map, since there is no more blight there, just water.
Bleutera's map looks trully special now. So thin twards the center haha.
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It's probably a bug. The values have not been intentionally changed.
This is one of the things that will have to wait until I am back next week.
You have no idea how relieved I am. Every region previously belonging to the Netherworld has its values at 10%. I thought we'd have to deal with completely unproductive regions between us and the rest of BT forever.
Almost all in-game events have now been posted. I'll do the rest and then leave you to... celebrate the ashes of your world or something. :-)
Thanks for everything!
And you can bet we will... ;)
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Wasn't the north fully cleared? Just had black clouds regions I believe, so maybe that's why the north portal guardian didn't show.
Nuzanki (stronghold) and Lin Helon (city) were lost. But we got Sandefur (and a whole lotta snow) back! 8)
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In the south Eno and 1 region was lost.
In the eastern blight Fwuvoghor, Fengen, Enweilios, Vur Hagin, Zod and Cteduul plus 12 regions.
In the northern blight Nuzanki, Lin Helon and 2 regions
In the western blight Twillen, Poitra, Joppo and Laplan - plus 12 (or so) regions.
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I am really, really, really intent on looking for the RNG that was responsible for Midnight of the East escaping again and again and again...and feed him to daimons. Killing him would have unblighted 4 cities, created another route to Riombara and strengthened the central map of Beluaterra considerably. Oh well - now for rebuilding. I am really looking forward to visit Irombro again...and to ride into Jidington.
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In the south Eno and 1 region was lost.
Xween! Nooooooooooooooooooo!
Riombara must die for their incompetence in letting Xween, and all the brave and courageous Xweenies be taken by the daimons.
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Riombara hates Xween. It was all a conspiracy.
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Those Xweenies were some good fighters. The backbone of our army.
*sniff*
I'm gonna miss those guys... :'(
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Thank the gods I never had to live with such a region. Now if we could manage to see Dantooine, Mattan Dews and Kid's Rock suffer the same fate in Dwilight...
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No, there were definitely regions north of what's there. Compare it to the map of Atamara and you'll see what I mean.
Correct. Not many, but something like 4 regions or so were lost in the icy north-east.
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Mattan Dews
BWAHAHAHAHA I just got that.
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No, you *think* you got it. But you'd be wrong.
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No, you *think* you got it. But you'd be wrong.
It's because of Matt Andews or something like that, but it really sounds like Mountain Dew.
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It's because of Matt Andews or something like that, but it really sounds like Mountain Dew.
Yeah, I used to think it was named after Mountain Dew, too, until someone else pointed out that it was named after a player named Matt Andrews. ;D
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Yeah, I used to think it was named after Mountain Dew, too, until someone else pointed out that it was named after a player named Matt Andrews. ;D
So do you know what was so special about him to get a region named after him?
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He helped with drawing the map, or some part of the creation of it anyway.
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The cities of Darfix and Giask are also named after players.
* Darfix is named after the player Darfix Panzer. He drew the original map in MS Paint, of all things, using bits and pieces of the maps of the other continents.
* Giask was named after Giask Kay Lee, also known as Gsklee. He drew up the original regional boundaries. He also created the FameBox templates for the wiki, and founded the Flow of the Balance on EC. He also came up with the name Dwilight. (Or, rather, Tom merger two of Gias Kay's suggestions to make the final name.)
* Matt Andrews refined the initial geography to come up with the final map. (Dwilight Trivia: Some of you may remember the wacky map that first showed up for Dwilight when Tom put the new dynamic map online. That was the original draft Darfix made. The final one you see now was done by Matt Andrews.)
Wups, meant to post this link: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Dwilight/OOC_History
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Thanks for the interesting info.
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I still don't get it.
Exactly half of my Kudos to each Dwilight contributor. All three deserve it.
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I still don't get it.
Exactly half of my Kudos to each Dwilight contributor. All three deserve it.
Foundation succeeds at math by failing it. +12493/0
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fully rational.. you give half to each of the three.. except they didn't know there are 3 people sharing it.
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What I don't understand is how discusion of the Dwilight map made it onto a thread about the end of the Invasion on Beluaterra. In the Beluaterra Locals thread no less.
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People were complaining about some region names... Which brought up Dwilight region names... Which brought up who some of the regions were named after... Which brought up the creation of Dwilight.
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Thus we have proved that Beluterra is just a Dwilight wannabe.
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Beluaterra now looks similar to Italy.
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Really? Reminds me more of Mexico.
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Soo I shouldn't have my advy in the formerly blighted regions b/c he'll just go poof?
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Soo I shouldn't have my advy in the formerly blighted regions b/c he'll just go poof?
I moved all paused characters that were in blighted regions.
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Fairly certain I entered a blighted region with my advy yesterday. Xinjin. At least the political map shows it as blighted...
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Fairly certain I entered a blighted region with my advy yesterday. Xinjin. At least the political map shows it as blighted...
Not possible. I deleted all blighted regions from the database on friday. You can not enter a blighted region because it simply doesn't exist anymore.
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Fairly certain I entered a blighted region with my advy yesterday. Xinjin. At least the political map shows it as blighted...
Xinjin is no longer blighted. Use the dynamic map would be my advice.
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Xinjin is no longer blighted. Use the dynamic map would be my advice.
Or force reload or clean the cache.
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nah.. it's just the political map is/was hopelessly outdated.. even the blight itself wasn't really updated. (fwuvoghor wasn't blighted, for example)
though... "gone" regions don't have flags on them. so... you can tell.
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The leftover daimon troops are just standing in our regions doing absolutly nothing. The game mechanics seem to consider them militia.
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To be honest Tom, I never minded putting time towards invasions...
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Umm... me either... <_< >_>
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Well, maybe Tom should reconsider? I mean, if people are still willing to volunteer despite the trouble :)
As I said, I never really had a problem with the GMs per se, I had other issues with the Invasions I've been through. And for the record, I very much enjoyed the Fifth. It was vastly better than the Fourth, in which I felt like a leaf in a hurricane. In the Fourth we were virtually helpless. The Fifth did a very good job of giving the players more opportunity to make a difference and own their own successes and failures. I truly felt that what happened was a result of our collective efforts - we succeeded together and failed together. Certainly the outcome was less than perfect, but then we also made mistakes and didn't always work together as well as we could have, so the outcome was in my opinion a fair reflection of events.
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I just hope we manage to get more of the storyline that seemed to end up cut off after the previous invasion. What happened to the daimon leaders we all knew? What truly were the Servants of Light? Or the Archons?
In truth, I would love to know more.
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The leftover daimon troops are just standing in our regions doing absolutly nothing. The game mechanics seem to consider them militia.
my bad. fixed a bug today that should take care of that.
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I would be very interested in answers to two questions - thus, Tom, if possible please satisfy my curiosity assuming doing so does not give anything away you would prefer to keep hidden.
- what would have happened if we had managed to kill one of the Portal Guards (Where they killable at all?)?
- what was they reason for Eno not being unblighted after Riombara did kill the (2nd) southern Blight Creature in Cjelegy?
To give more information: the killing of 1st Southern Blight Creature did unblight Irombro, Bolkenia and (across the river) Eylmon, Epinotke, Elloranaal and Jidington. So Eno did have contact to the (now unblighted) Bolkenia. Later, the killing of 2nd southern Blight Creature did unblight Cagamir (next to Bolkenia) and (across the river) Brovyl and Ovujemeh. So was there anything special about Eno? Gate, any game mechanic? Or was it an oversight? Note that I am NOT clamoring for having Eno 'resurrected' - it would make the south even more powerful which I think would not be good. I am mostly interested to find out if there was something like a gate in Eno and if the desperate dash towards that city might have paid off or was for naught.
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- what would have happened if we had managed to kill one of the Portal Guards (Where they killable at all?)?
Lots of blighted regions would've been freed. The Portal Guardians were the last line of defense, basically the last in the succession of the Blight Creatures (which had to be a variable number because the amount of blight was different for the four directions). When the invasion came to an end, they were all released at once for a final push.
- what was they reason for Eno not being unblighted after Riombara did kill the (2nd) southern Blight Creature in Cjelegy?
You needed to kill a Portal Guardian to unblight the last few regions of every direction.
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Thanks for answering, Tom! That clears these questions.
Boy would I have wished that our march to Athol would have succeeded in killing the eastern Guardian in time. Being responsible for freeing a good part of the eastern blight would have given such a ton of additional prestige....besides, the desperate march and the tripple battle were epic as they were, just not crowned by the final success. Alas, we tried!
So - a massive thank you! for all your work and making this possible! The fifth invasion will be an excellent gaming memory for a very long time!
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If we had someone like G.R.R. Martin playing, I'm sure the 5th invasion would be an excellent book and/or movie. Anyone want to pitch the story to Hollywood? :-)
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If we had someone like G.R.R. Martin playing, I'm sure the 5th invasion would be an excellent book and/or movie. Anyone want to pitch the story to Hollywood? :-)
Sounds like a fun project :)
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That last daimon ofensive really was something. Really unexpected.
And Midnight of the evasive- the super evasive one.
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The leftover daimon troops are just standing in our regions doing absolutly nothing. The game mechanics seem to consider them militia.
my bad. fixed a bug today that should take care of that.
Damn. You. mikm. (Says the Duke of Athol Margos) ;)
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What with the old political maps no longer updating, I cannot spy and see how Beluaterra looks after all the machinations of the Fifth Invasion. Would someone mind uploading the current map just to satisfy the curious among us? :-)
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I just updated the political map.
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Well, it seems we need not worry about the Beluaterran-wide Alliance lasting long. The first cracks are already appearing.
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If we had someone like G.R.R. Martin playing, I'm sure the 5th invasion would be an excellent book and/or movie. Anyone want to pitch the story to Hollywood? :-)
I've often thought about writing stories of some of the major events of continents on (edited for sanity, of course, no story about Abington would be complete without the epic tale of Lady Doc's Biatch, but I would change her name).
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Now those leftover daimon troops have started a takeover.
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...Fronen fails again.
To be fair, the Duke of Wudenkin autopaused about 3 days ago, so clearly he's been letting things go, but still. That hurts.
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To be fair I lost internet for two weeks and had pretty much no way to get on, holding that against me just isn't right. I had no warning, just internet was off one morning. I did everything I could to keep logging in and keeping the city up till my phone went off and my character Squall was removed as Duke (not paused). I logged in half a day late and lost my position, nothing more.
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Auto-abdicated then. I think that takes at least a week of inactivity, so there was definitely a good long while where you weren't holding court or doing anything to stave off the revolt. I don't think it's unfair to suggest that this played a role in why we lost the place.
I don't blame you or anything, it's not personal. Sorry you've lost your character's city, but that's life in Battlemaster. Squall hasn't been a very active character for a while, so he doesn't have much political support to fall back on in a situation like this. There was a referendum to vote on the next Governor; you announced you were running, but attracted no support. Maremma has been a very active and visible character for a while now, so I'm sure that's why he was elected.
I hope you are able to solve your internet troubles and return to being an active force in Fronen.
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I am sure it played a major role in the revolt, I have no doubt on that.
As for my activity, it was back to full so I would be looking for all my Soulja characters to be incredibly active every turn, and I will be starting up my OI newspaper again for the EC wiki news page.
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Now he comes asking Riombara if he can be duke. There is much hilarity surrounding those requests. :D
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Sorry for the necromancy - but I think this fits here:
Today, when returning from the battle in Ippetimbal, High Constable Sassan of Riombara did present the final tally of the fifth invasion for Riombara, inscribed on the battle standard that did accompany him into most of these battles. I love being able to have my char be melodramatic, let alone display intense pride. I am sure noone noticed yet ;)
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Now for the fifth invasion.
With the very last daimon force vanquished I intend to bring the battlestandard of the fifth invasion to Grehk, there to store it so that coming generations may learn of our feats. On that standard I had every major battle we fought during the invasion inscribed - and one daimon tooth from every commander we slew is fixed to its shaft. I think that anyone, throughout the whole history of this continent would be hard pressed to present anything able to rival what we all have accomplished here - and what is thus shown on that standard:
We have fought 33 main battles against the daimons. Ten of those were fought jointly with allies, 23 we fought alone. Twenty-three battles. That is more than any other realm on Beluaterra can claim.
During these battles we did destroy 18 daimon hosts - again, 8 hosts were killed jointly with allies, 10 hosts were destroyed by Riombara alone.
But most importantly, we did kill five daimon commanders - all in battles fought between the daimons and us.
These dry numbers tell one tale: Riombara was the most determined, deadly foe the daimons had to face. It did not matter whether it looked like we would all be ground into dust and forgotten - we fought. This is - and will continue to be - our source of pride: we did not waver, we did not enter into any deals, we did not even discuss any (OOC: this conveniently glosses over the fact that Hvrek DID try to enter into deals - but at least Riombara can claim that once we knew about it we went to kill him. So that claim is - if admittedly a tall one - mostly true) - we did confront the beasts with steel alone.
Through darkness - to light. Here we stand today - and we live, while the daimons are gone. Thus, warriors, let us enjoy this coming sunrise - as with all the others that we may now be granted.
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Very nice. :)
Makes me wish I kept count of the battles we fought in Thalmarkin but oh well, for two invasions in a row I couldn't think of any realm I'd rather have been in than Riombara and Thalmarkin to fight them damn abominations. Stubborn resistance ftw! :)
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now can someone please start testing these scrolls?!
Or have you already but just don't want to share it with us? grrr.... >:(
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Lorgan:
You can go through the timeline of the fifth invasion. All battles should be recorded there, with the possible exception of 1-2 Thalmarkin fought in...but I am pretty sure than stinkyoldmen and me got near all battles recorded.
Have fun - and, c'mon, get bragging. Nothing more perfect than getting all high and snobby due to ones perceived accomplishments. Would hate to have Sassan being the only one riding that high horse.
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What we still don't have and I think should be added to the wiki while memory is still fresh is a narrative of the whole thing. For someone not involved, the 5th invasion wiki page is inconclusive.
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What we still don't have and I think should be added to the wiki while memory is still fresh is a narrative of the whole thing. For someone not involved, the 5th invasion wiki page is inconclusive.
I think someone needs to read everything and do it. Everyone has memories of whichever part they were located.