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BattleMaster => Helpline => Topic started by: Penchant on November 11, 2012, 09:16:18 AM
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Any tips for the priest game? I am joint elder in an old religion that almost died due to no more priests, and hasn't had much happening with it in quite awhile. Due to it almost dying, it has lost almost all it's temples. Please share advice/tips for both the priest game, and religion aspect as a whole. Lastly, I am considering reforming some of the religion to liven up the religion to make it more popular/revive it, so tips on how best to do that are also appreciated.. (The religion is Evgenism on Atamara for those wondering.)
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Maybe...just let it die? And instead spread SA or the Church of Humanity to Atamara.
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Due to it almost dying, it has lost almost all it's temples.
Do you have many noble followers?
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Any tips for the priest game? I am joint elder in an old religion that almost died due to no more priests, and hasn't had much happening with it in quite awhile. Due to it almost dying, it has lost almost all it's temples. Please share advice/tips for both the priest game, and religion aspect as a whole. Lastly, I am considering reforming some of the religion to liven up the religion to make it more popular/revive it, so tips on how best to do that are also appreciated.. (The religion is Evgenism on Atamara for those wondering.)
Evgenism? Isn't that the one that was founded as Carelia's state religion, with approximately zero content?
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Evgenism? Isn't that the one that was founded as Carelia's state religion, with approximately zero content?
Yes, it was a religion that supports Carelia and has a low amount of content. I plan to change it from supporting Carelia to supporting ideals of Carelia, like honor for instance.
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Shouldn't it support, say, a pantheon of gods? Supporting the ideal of honor sounds like a knightly order, not a religion.
I find that a good religion takes a tough stance, and has a certain amount of intolerance, especially toward other religions. Give your followers something to make commitment about, and something to rally behind. Use it as a source of conflict and generate some fun.
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Just worship Daimons. Easy and Simple.
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Do you have many noble followers?
13 nobles and 4 temples. The almost dying was like a month ago, I just thought to ask on the forum recently so we are doing better but not great.Shouldn't it support, say, a pantheon of gods? Supporting the ideal of honor sounds like a knightly order, not a religion.
I find that a good religion takes a tough stance, and has a certain amount of intolerance, especially toward other religions. Give your followers something to make commitment about, and something to rally behind. Use it as a source of conflict and generate some fun.
Sorry, I should have clarified, Evgenism is the faith of believing in Evgenis. It is stated that Evgenis supports Carelia so it's a religion that says helping Carelia is good. I want to change that to having the ideals that Carelians have is good and so is aiding those with those ideals is also good, but I would be stating the actual ideals and basically have no mention of Carelia in there as a god wouldn't really support a realm for no reason other than just its name but what that name represents.
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Any tips for the priest game? I am joint elder in an old religion that almost died due to no more priests, and hasn't had much happening with it in quite awhile. Due to it almost dying, it has lost almost all it's temples. Please share advice/tips for both the priest game, and religion aspect as a whole. Lastly, I am considering reforming some of the religion to liven up the religion to make it more popular/revive it, so tips on how best to do that are also appreciated.. (The religion is Evgenism on Atamara for those wondering.)
Avoid it.
Unless you really invested a lot in it and don't want to let go of it, or you are really sentimental, the priest game sucks, because most of the religions suck and most people's stance on religion sucks.
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=) Magna Serpaensism didn't suck! Look at how lively that made the game for a while. Shame you can't have hidden temples. Ooo! New idea for a feature!
As for how to make religion fun, find an enemy and pound on it. Make stories about the gods interacting with the priests. Show how it becomes part of the culture. If people aren't upset about your religion you're probably doing something wrong as its too bland and boring.
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I have to agree with loren. Religion in the game exists, as far as I'm concerned, as another avenue for spurring conflict and war. What more perfect reason could there be for war than to purge the world of some false religon (I.e. every other religion than your own) that keeps trying to convert your followers to their evil ways?
It does take people willing to go along with religion before it can work, though. IMO, it is up to the leaders of the religion to make their faith attractive to the regular players.
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I have to agree with loren. Religion in the game exists, as far as I'm concerned, as another avenue for spurring conflict and war. What more perfect reason could there be for war than to purge the world of some false religon (I.e. every other religion than your own) that keeps trying to convert your followers to their evil ways?
It does take people willing to go along with religion before it can work, though. IMO, it is up to the leaders of the religion to make their faith attractive to the regular players.
You can claim they are all heathens deserving death without having to bother being a priest, or even being involved in a religion at all.
IMO, the best religion would be one that has many noble followers and no temple. The priest game is a distraction, it makes you focus on follower counts and infrastructure maintenance instead of on influencing other characters.
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Yes, you *could* do that. But having an actual religion behind you makes it a lot more convincing.
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Try ask your Ruler to cheat a foreign realm priest to come over for a religion preaching to you, then have your realm declare war on his realm and you declare his religion evil. This is what Oritolon Ruler does to Assassins realm on Colonies. It is hilarious ;D
You can always lookup the religions stuffs on Internet and try include some parts that you think are relevant to your religion in game. Spice it up occasionally with some RolePlays, some enlightenment(Like how Blind God priest Solari doing on Colonies), etc. As you are the elder priest, you have control over how you can define your religion fundamentals and principles, rules and so on 8)
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IMO, the best religion would be one that has many noble followers and no temple. The priest game is a distraction, it makes you focus on follower counts and infrastructure maintenance instead of on influencing other characters.
I wouldn't go so far. However, I agree with your basic point: the interest of the religious game is in influencing other nobles. All the game-mechanics options for priests are technically influencing peasants; however do not think you can get away with any of them without at least some powerful nobles backing you out.
The point of a religion is to create a culture among a noble group. Once that culture is in place, the Lords will build temples for vanity. I doubt doing it the other way around can be fun.
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Yes, you *could* do that. But having an actual religion behind you makes it a lot more convincing.
A lot more distracting. And expensive. If you want to blast these heathens, then you'd be much better off spending these thousands of gold you'd spend on local temples into troops instead, and these nobles you'd have as priests leading troops instead.
I wouldn't go so far. However, I agree with your basic point: the interest of the religious game is in influencing other nobles. All the game-mechanics options for priests are technically influencing peasants; however do not think you can get away with any of them without at least some powerful nobles backing you out.
The point of a religion is to create a culture among a noble group. Once that culture is in place, the Lords will build temples for vanity. I doubt doing it the other way around can be fun.
You can't get away with them without noble support, but you also can't use them at all without follower %.
You can also create a religious culture among a noble group without needing for one lord to spend hundreds of gold to be turned into a pop star priest. What's fun about religion is creating that culture and sharing it with others, not clicking on preach for a few days in a row, then travelling next door to start again.
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I enjoy playing a priest. It's why all but one of my characters is a priest. As do a few other people I know.
My only issue is with the current bug related to religion influence/percentages.
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I enjoy playing a priest. It's why all but one of my characters is a priest. As do a few other people I know.
My only issue is with the current bug related to religion influence/percentages.
Priests make better ambassadors, that's about the only advantage I've come to think of them. I used to have almost all of my characters as priests, but I have since come to view the priest game as a diversion to the religion game.
Mind you, a bunch of the perks of when I used to play almost only priests are now gone.
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What perks are you talking about?
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What perks are you talking about?
Not getting reduced hours due to old age and never having travel times over 16 hours, to name two.
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Does anyone know if building a shrine is reported to the lord, to everyone in the region, or is there no message? I don't really want to ask to build shrines that much but I don't want them ( lords of the regions) to be complaining either.
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Does anyone know if building a shrine is reported to the lord, to everyone in the region, or is there no message? I don't really want to ask to build shrines that much but I don't want them ( lords of the regions) to be complaining either.
It can generate a message. I'm not sure if it's random or 100%, however. I think it's random, much like preaching.
For example, I've seen Glaumring build a shrine of the Bloodmoon Cult in Paisly. I think I was in Paisland when I saw this, but I'm not sure. I don't think I was actually in the region myself.
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Not getting reduced hours due to old age and never having travel times over 16 hours, to name two.
That is a nice perk out there. Unfortunately I cannot make full use of it, due to this below.
2 of my characters from same realm. One is well known Ambassador and another one is a Priestess.
The Ambassador has the best speaking skill while the Priestess has best preaching skill.
It is a coincident that both Ambassador and Priest class have much need of Oratory skill :)
Does anyone know if building a shrine is reported to the lord, to everyone in the region, or is there no message? I don't really want to ask to build shrines that much but I don't want them ( lords of the regions) to be complaining either.
I believe the region lord and everyone in the region when the shrine is being built, will receive a notification.
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I personally like the priest game actually. It is only as much a distraction as you let it be. These days it's also true that when you are a lord of Religion A and Religion B has 90% followers in your region it'll not make your peasants happy. It helps somewhat.
But as said before, religion is a different angle of war and it can generate war. You should make your religion nice and lively though to actually rally people. Problem is though people seem to have a strong sense of separation of church and state. Trying to change this is always fun.
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Problem is though people seem to have a strong sense of separation of church and state. Trying to change this is always fun.
And, unfortunately, also impossible.
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Sorry, you're wrong on that one. It is far from impossible. Two of my characters are in very religion-driven realms. A third is in a realm that has potential to be that way, and used to be in the past.
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For monthly grant/fee does that come from/go to global treasury or what?
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For monthly grant/fee does that come from/go to global treasury or what?
It only changes a character's balance with the religion, no actual gold changes hands.
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It only changes a character's balance with the religion, no actual gold changes hands.
Ok, that's good to know, and works out best for how I wanted it to be used too.
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Persecuting heretics, does that attempt to have your followers kill those of the chosen faith, increasing your percentage for the region, not the actual numbers, or am I mistaken?
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um... your lot can die too, i imagine.
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I believe fodder is correct. There will be losses on both sides, but if you're already in the majority you should 'win'.
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I believe fodder is correct. There will be losses on both sides, but if you're already in the majority you should 'win'.
If you kill more of them then they kill of you, you win. Usually, you will.
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But if there's three or more significant religions in the region, odds are you might even lose follower %. Some will die, and if I recall correctly, some will lose their faith due to your actions, as per influence options. Easier to reconvert a region with lower population, however.
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Thanks for the info. In the case I am contemplating, I have 82% being my followers so its sounds like a win.
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Tell us how it works out for you. I'm curious to hear.
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Tell us how it works out for you. I'm curious to hear.
Well technically my religion is against persecution so it might be a couple days because I have to convince the lord, the co-elder, to let me do it. Hopefully I can convince him because I want to try it out. (Yes I don't need permission to actually do it but I would rather not get him mad at me)
Edit: Due to the fact I would like to learn about the two religions that are in the region other than mine, I will be waiting perhaps a week depending on how long this takes. (I hope to convince realm members that are of the religions to give me statistical info like how many nobles, and if I can make it happen the temple locations but that will be a bit harder.)