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BattleMaster => Locals => Beluaterra => Topic started by: Terises Jr. on May 25, 2013, 06:50:38 AM
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This War seem interesting for me. Enweil and ally; Fronen, nothoi, Old Grekh vs Riombara. 4 vs 1. Anyway, Enweil army is very weak compare to Riombara. And Enweil will be destroy if other realm refused to help them. But, i think Enweil / ally will win in this war..
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Don't underestimate the baleful effects of distance and the difficulty of coordinating the efforts of four realms. Riombara is rich, strong and organized (or at least it was when I was there, but I suspect nothing has changed). Enweil is weak. Fronen and Nothoi aren't particularly strong themselves. Old Grehk is strong, but also the most distant. The front line will also be on the opposite side of Enweil from all her allies, so they will have much longer refit times than Riombara will.
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Old Grehk's march is a minimum of six days, each way. Possibly longer, depending on unit size, travel delays, wounded troops, etc. They have a very high overall CS, on par with Riombara's, but it is due to a large amount of militia. Old Grehk has few nobles to actually march to help out with a war. (16 nobles, a couple priests, leave a couple home to mind the store, and you're down to what, 8 or 9 noble marching?)
Fronen is closer, but weak. Still, a 4-5 day march to the front lines. They have the potential to be Enweil's biggest help.
Nothoi is very close, but weak, and has a lot of their own open land to cover. If they are getting anything like the monster spawn we have in Caelum, they have their hands full defending themselves. Both of their cities are extremely depopulated (~33% max). Their one townsland is also at half pop. Makes for slow recruits and not a lot of gold.
Enweil's cities are also depopulated. They have a lot of exposed rural land.
Riombara has boatloads of gold. Highly populated cities. Lots of recruits. Lots of protected land. Lots of nobles.
Enweil is gonna get plastered.
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It's going to end just like Melhed vs Thal. The group that has the most nobles on the field is going to win.
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Old Grehk's march is a minimum of six days, each way. Possibly longer, depending on unit size, travel delays, wounded troops, etc. They have a very high overall CS, on par with Riombara's, but it is due to a large amount of militia. Old Grehk has few nobles to actually march to help out with a war. (16 nobles, a couple priests, leave a couple home to mind the store, and you're down to what, 8 or 9 noble marching?)
Fronen is closer, but weak. Still, a 4-5 day march to the front lines. They have the potential to be Enweil's biggest help.
Nothoi is very close, but weak, and has a lot of their own open land to cover. If they are getting anything like the monster spawn we have in Caelum, they have their hands full defending themselves. Both of their cities are extremely depopulated (~33% max). Their one townsland is also at half pop. Makes for slow recruits and not a lot of gold.
Enweil's cities are also depopulated. They have a lot of exposed rural land.
Riombara has boatloads of gold. Highly populated cities. Lots of recruits. Lots of protected land. Lots of nobles.
Enweil is gonna get plastered.
You raise some valid points.
The distance is an issue for Old Grehk, but OG also took a hit from the Shady multi scandal, we lost quite a few nobles from it. We have had some nobles go inactive, including our General. We are having an issue finding someone to fill the role and OG is also suffering from apathy as well. I had hoped the war would assist with that and encourage nobles to be more active, it doesn't seem to be working.
OG may have to pull out simply because we don't have military leadership at present and we don't have many active nobles. The few active we have are the region lords and Dukes who have been dealing with some monster and undead cropping up and tending to our regions :(
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Hah, you guys had the chance to change that during the war between thals and melhed but did not take it.
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You mean when being asked not to participate by Thalmarkin?
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When being asked to help Melhed. Haha ;D
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Fronen army: 9 attacker (7911cs)
Enweil army: 11 attacker (5867cs)
Nothoi army: 5 attacker
(2297cs)
Riombara army: 5 defender
(3142cs)
Total:
25 attackers (522 Inf, 167 MI,
128 Arch, 195 Cav, 216 SF)
5 defenders (70 Inf, 87 Arch, 73
SF)
Total combat strengths: 16075
vs. 3142
Micheal Langdon, Viscount of
Rii has been wounded by The
Blood Pack (22).
Tobius Alumaani, Viscount of
Elloranaal has been wounded
by Lion's Pride (15).
Distorted Psych, Knight of
Rines has been wounded by
Laegan's Honor Guard (13).
Total casualties: 6 attackers,
18 defenders
Attacker Victory!
New victory! - First battle.
Congratulations to Fronen. :)
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I'll be very happy to oblige and roflstomp Enweil and any ally that arrives to Riombaran land. If this is fought in Riombaran or Enweilian lands, we have already won 8)
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Don't underestimate the baleful effects of distance and the difficulty of coordinating the efforts of four realms. Riombara is rich, strong and organized (or at least it was when I was there, but I suspect nothing has changed). Enweil is weak. Fronen and Nothoi aren't particularly strong themselves. Old Grehk is strong, but also the most distant. The front line will also be on the opposite side of Enweil from all her allies, so they will have much longer refit times than Riombara will.
But that's a lot of realms to hoard scrolls to blast onto Rio!
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When being asked to help Melhed. Haha ;D
Pretty sure the person you guys selected to be your king single-handedly ended any good will between every other realm and Melhed.
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Enweil has begin TO of Droxago.
First battle and loot and TO on riombara land..
And still, the core troop from Fronen :)
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Rio's forces are being crushed everywhere.
Damn it feels good to see a grand coalition against Rio this time, instead of with them against Enweil. I love Enweil's new ruler, he did a good job. :D
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Rio's forces are being crushed everywhere.
Damn it feels good to see a grand coalition against Rio this time, instead of with them against Enweil. I love Enweil's new ruler, he did a good job. :D
I have no wish to malign Eridanian, but he's not the one who organized this coalition against Riombara, Chénier. That was done by one person, and one person alone: Folcard Cuvelier.
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You can surely say there is a big difference between this Riombara and the Invasion one. Hell, nobody's taking orders seriously. We're refitting, guys. Hurry, hurry! ;D
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I have no wish to malign Eridanian, but he's not the one who organized this coalition against Riombara, Chénier. That was done by one person, and one person alone: Folcard Cuvelier.
Yea, but would that coalition have been mounted if Guillaume had stayed in power? Doubtful.
Two people made this happen. ;)
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I am very happy to share the credit, Chénier. We're a golden team.
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I am very happy to share the credit, Chénier. We're a golden team.
Yay! :D
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You can surely say there is a big difference between this Riombara and the Invasion one. Hell, nobody's taking orders seriously. We're refitting, guys. Hurry, hurry! ;D
Really? Interesting. Is d'Serrai dead or something? Because he's usually an extremely energetic commander who is adept at getting speed and responsiveness out of other players.
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Really? Interesting. Is d'Serrai dead or something? Because he's usually an extremely energetic commander who is adept at getting speed and responsiveness out of other players.
He's just had to reduce his activity—he stepped down as Duke of Grehk, and vonGenf has been our General since early April.
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He's just had to reduce his activity—he stepped down as Duke of Grehk, and vonGenf has been our General since early April.
Ah, the curse of RL strikes again. Riombara is doomed! DOOOOOMED!
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Ah, the curse of RL strikes again. Riombara is doomed! DOOOOOMED!
Die, die, die!!!
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Takeover Initiated (38 minutes
ago)
message to all nobles of Fronen
Shirley Fennes Terises has
initiated a takeover in Lopa. The
region currently belongs to
Riombara.
Everyone in the realm can aid the
takeover by going to Lopa and
using the takeover support
options available there.
I don't know we can TO region that not border on our current realm.. I just try and click, success..
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Any realm that has a coastline region can TO any other region that has coastline, even if they have no common borders.
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Rio troop now has started loot fronen region.. And rio also move their capital to Grekh.. With this recent change, rio will get advantage.. OG should help now.
For other new/old player that read this topic; emigrate to bt.. Join fronen, enweil, or nothoi. Then you will get what you never get if you play your knight at atamara or dwilight..
PM me if you want to ask anything..
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PM me if you want to ask anything..
Which route is this 10k CS army taking? Can you give me its composition and date of arrival? ;)
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Which route is this 10k CS army taking? Can you give me its composition and date of arrival? ;)
20k cs army will arrive at bolkenia and will TO irombro.. Then we will create new realm..
10k cs army will use sea route to ovujemeh and TO Two region for our new realm..
Other army will defend enweil...
Anything else you want to know?
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Rio troop now has started loot fronen region.. And rio also move their capital to Grekh.. With this recent change, rio will get advantage.. OG should help now.
For other new/old player that read this topic; emigrate to bt.. Join fronen, enweil, or nothoi. Then you will get what you never get if you play your knight at atamara or dwilight..
PM me if you want to ask anything..
Don't forget Old Grehk! We can certainly use some new nobles too! :D
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And Ar Agyr(now Thalmarkin, but soon Ar Agyr!).
I'm bored already and will put my spoon any soap available as soon as possible! :D
-Jaune
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Don't forget Old Grehk! We can certainly use some new nobles too! :D
urm sorry.. OG also need more new noble..
But, we should angry with thal.. :-D They has steal all noble that emigrate to beluaterra..
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Rio troop now has started loot fronen region.. And rio also move their capital to Grekh.. With this recent change, rio will get advantage.. OG should help now.
For other new/old player that read this topic; emigrate to bt.. Join fronen, enweil, or nothoi. Then you will get what you never get if you play your knight at atamara or dwilight..
PM me if you want to ask anything..
Strategic capital move? Do we get to move our capital to Ete, then?
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Strategic capital move? Do we get to move our capital to Ete, then?
Riombara requires Enweil to move its capital to Ete.
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Riombara's capital was at Grehk for years and years (as you perfectly well know). It was only moved to Rines because Grehk got blighted.
It was moved back pretty much as soon as its production would support it.
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Hmmm, which realm to send Kalixta too...
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Hmmm, which realm to send Kalixta too...
Riombara? :P
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Riombara? :P
Rio has got 2 noble from forum..
Maybe kalixta can join Nothoi..
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Rio has got 2 noble from forum..
Maybe kalixta can join Nothoi..
I think that would cause quite an uproar in the North ;)
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Rio has got 2 noble from forum..
Maybe kalixta can join Nothoi..
I think we've got quite a few more than that...
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Went with Riombara.
Weird things happened: kalixta was teleported to Grehk from the Avalonnian Coast. She started the journey with 110 men and arrived with 93.
The Sea Gods, apparently, demanded blood sacrifice in return for swift travel. Maybe I can RP this bug...
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I think we've got quite a few more than that...
Which is proof that misinformation works well - they obviously believed that Riombara was/is the underdog, when in fact they are the aggressors.
Riombara: Hey Enweil, give us half your realm! We want a new realm in your lands.
Enweil: If you could meet us half-way; we will give some regions and you could give a few regions...
Riombara: Um, no. Now you die. Good thing all your regions are trashed from the invasions lol, while ours aren't.
Enweil: *Calls allies who are days and days away from the front* (and we all know how that turns out)
Riombara: *People start spreading misinformation on the forums*
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Hey wasn't Enweil that realm that surrendered to the Netherworld, accepted Daimon Worship and preaching of the Sons and then refused to help Riombara save the South of BT?
Yeah... don't think they're entitled to much more than Rio allows them.
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Nonsense. Riombara is only asking Fheuvenem from Enweil, and they are willing to give Ete City to Enweil in return. The rest of the lands aren't Enweil's in the first place. Riombara is simply returning that land to their rightful owners. And except the Northern Island, Riombara's regions were all smashed up. Especially when the Southern Daimons looted and burned through Riombara as we were the only ones fighting them. The Daimons were rather content with Enweil refusing to fight and allowing their Priests to preach in their regions.
It's not like players from Riombara are spreading misinformation OOC on the forums. What happens is that Riombara simply believes in a different truth then Enweil. I have had a character on both sides of the War, there is simply a truth to both sides. Marche had secured his plans to see IVF reborn with the rest of the Continent right after the Invasion already. You can thank Folcard for giving Enweil a chance in the first place and giving Enweil some Allies.
Not much has happened in the war anyway. Riombara cannot stand against the Northern Armies united. It can only handle the Armies when they are separated. What we've seen so far is a back-and-forth tugging match with no real engagements. You can't make conclusions from that.
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Hey wasn't Enweil that realm that surrendered to the Netherworld, accepted Daimon Worship and preaching of the Sons and then refused to help Riombara save the South of BT?
Yeah... don't think they're entitled to much more than Rio allows them.
Uhm, yea, wasn't it Enweil that everyone ditched and gleefully watched as they were picked out by the daimons while everyone else was left alone?
Oh yea, wasn't it Riombara too, that during the fourth invasion, has peace with the Monsters and basically gave them the ability to strike Enweil and Avalon without concern from that front? Wasn't it Riombara that hosted the bunch of nobles and regions that would then form a realm dedicated to helping the monsters, and then accept them all back?
But yup, Enweil's totally a bad guy for getting the !@#$ beaten out of him by the daimons.
Nonsense. Riombara is only asking Fheuvenem from Enweil, and they are willing to give Ete City to Enweil in return. The rest of the lands aren't Enweil's in the first place. Riombara is simply returning that land to their rightful owners. And except the Northern Island, Riombara's regions were all smashed up. Especially when the Southern Daimons looted and burned through Riombara as we were the only ones fighting them. The Daimons were rather content with Enweil refusing to fight and allowing their Priests to preach in their regions.
It's not like players from Riombara are spreading misinformation OOC on the forums. What happens is that Riombara simply believes in a different truth then Enweil. I have had a character on both sides of the War, there is simply a truth to both sides. Marche had secured his plans to see IVF reborn with the rest of the Continent right after the Invasion already. You can thank Folcard for giving Enweil a chance in the first place and giving Enweil some Allies.
Not much has happened in the war anyway. Riombara cannot stand against the Northern Armies united. It can only handle the Armies when they are separated. What we've seen so far is a back-and-forth tugging match with no real engagements. You can't make conclusions from that.
This is dumb. Fheuv'n was a realm dedicated to the defense of the Enweili. You've got like two of Fheuv'n's original nobles, and it's mostly the power-hungry crook Marec. Fheuv'n and Guillaume Chénier are one and the same. You can't claim to want Fheuv'n back, and make it so by attacking Enweil and chasing Guillaume away.
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Uhm, yea, wasn't it Enweil that everyone ditched and gleefully watched as they were picked out by the daimons while everyone else was left alone?
Like when Riombara marched an Army to Enweil in a mad dash to defend their Capital after Grehk was already long blighted? Of course, it was Enweil, under Guillaume, that then decided to rather sit in their regions without a Capital instead of joining Riombara to continue the fight (Though many individuals Nobles did).
Oh yea, wasn't it Riombara too, that during the fourth invasion, has peace with the Monsters and basically gave them the ability to strike Enweil and Avalon without concern from that front? Wasn't it Riombara that hosted the bunch of nobles and regions that would then form a realm dedicated to helping the monsters, and then accept them all back?
That was the Meridian Republic, not Riombara. There was never any cooperation between both Realms, and I can know. The Meridian Republic allied the Monsters, still the lesser evil then allying with the Daimons after sending the Monsters to Riombara as well! ;D Still, that wasn't Riombara, who continued to fight the Monsters. Do you really want to rehash through that discussion though? Because I think it will just be more effective to go through the archives for that old discussion, because that one then had the exact same arguments.
This is dumb. Fheuv'n was a realm dedicated to the defense of the Enweili. You've got like two of Fheuv'n's original nobles, and it's mostly the power-hungry crook Marec. Fheuv'n and Guillaume Chénier are one and the same. You can't claim to want Fheuv'n back, and make it so by attacking Enweil and chasing Guillaume away.
Marec is the rightful Ruler of the IVF after the Nobles of IVF rose up against Guillaume and overthrew him, at least according to Riombara. IVF rose up and casted out the Traitor to Humanity and helped Riombara at the end of the Invasion, so Riombara made a promise to see it rebuilt. Riombara does not wish to dishonourable break that promise.
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That was the Meridian Republic, not Riombara. There was never any cooperation between both Realms, and I can know. The Meridian Republic allied the Monsters, still the lesser evil then allying with the Daimons after sending the Monsters to Riombara as well! ;D Do you really want to rehash through that discussion though? Because I think it will just be more effective to go through the archives for that old discussion, because that one then had the exact same arguments.
No, it wasn't. I was describing Riombara. Though I was referring to how you gave all of their nobles a home before they seceded, and then once more after their realm collapsed. Rio has truces with the monsters, not just MR, and they were in no way morally superior to Enweil's surrender.
Marec is the rightful Ruler of the IVF after the Nobles of IVF rose up against Guillaume and overthrew him, at least according to Riombara. IVF rose up and casted out the Traitor to Humanity and helped Riombara at the end of the Invasion, so Riombara made a promise to see it rebuilt. Riombara does not wish to dishonourable break that promise.
Guillaume was never "risen up against". What happened is that a bunch of bugs gave Marec a tonload of power he should never have gotten, then the daimons took away most of the realm's regions, which ended up giving Marec pretty much all of the vote (only lords could vote, representative), and he voted himself in power. Had those bugs never occured, Marec would never have ruled. Had the rest of the lords been kept in place, or had voting be available to all nobles, Marec would never have ruled. Guillaume remained in the realm until it was destroyed, and then remained in Enweil until Rio forced him to exile himself with the Jidington Armistice. He was never forced out by anyone from within.
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It's not like Riombara knew about their intentions and decided to go out of their way to give them a home knowing what they were up to. That is just silly. Here is the explanation:
Riombara never affiliated with Invaders. The Meridian Republic did, and, prior to its secession, many of the nobles of that realm advocated for collaboration and tried to get Rio to collaborate. Riombara did not. That's why MR seceded. Because Rio refused to collaborate with the monsters.
And about the Nobles that seceded:
Most of the people who were behind the secession did not return to Riombara. Telrunya and D'Este were given amnesty because of their voluntary actions in returning their duchies, plus Telrunya stepped down. Celyn Haethorne was already gone. Hylor Hobbs was only permitted to return because he was deleting his character and wanted to do an RP about it. Vellos had already sacrificed himself at the Temple of Light. Lefanis was not permitted to return under any circumstances. Athins was gone. The only one I can think of whom we allowed to return was Nigel de la Fere, and Evander pushed to ban him. Thought about trying to get Yuri Ishimu banned too for taking Avengmil over to MR shortly after the original secession.
Guillaume was never "risen up against".
What happened was that Marec was Ruler of IVF and he turned against Guillaume when he learned of his Agreement with the Daimons. He then joined Riombara when the Daimons besieged IVF to continue the fight, where Guillaume then angrily left for Enweil. That IVF under Marec is what Riombara is recreating, because IVF distanced themselves from Guillaume in the end when they learned the truth, which was enough for Riombara to accept.
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Uhm, yea, wasn't it Enweil that everyone ditched and gleefully watched as they were picked out by the daimons while everyone else was left alone?
I remember quite a bunch of Northern realms marching South in Enweil's defense too. Even Sint, that ream that you like chastising so much, came to Enweil's aid. It's not our fault that when Overlord played his little game and tricked the continent into thinking he'd attack Old Grehk - where we had some 40, maybe 50k gathered - you were the only ones who knew the truth but decided not to tell anyone. So yeah, probably thought you dodged a bullet there for a little while. :D
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I guess this is one thread where no one can complain about the old "Riombara v. Enweil" argument being dredged up. ::)
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It's not like Riombara knew about their intentions and decided to go out of their way to give them a home knowing what they were up to. That is just silly. Here is the explanation:
And about the Nobles that seceded:
What happened was that Marec was Ruler of IVF and he turned against Guillaume when he learned of his Agreement with the Daimons. He then joined Riombara when the Daimons besieged IVF to continue the fight, where Guillaume then angrily left for Enweil. That IVF under Marec is what Riombara is recreating, because IVF distanced themselves from Guillaume in the end when they learned the truth, which was enough for Riombara to accept.
Yes you did. Everyone knew that. The accord between KoA and the monsters was very public, everyone knew that they were going to form a colony to serve the monsters after ceding (losing) Eno to the monsters. They went to Riombara for the specific goal of founding Meridian Republic.
And IVF was flipped into Enweil first, killing the realm, and then Marec, as duke, flipped his duchy to Riombara.
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Who cares who's wrong or right?
Riombara (and several others on BT) see Enweil as traitors to humankind. I think making your case against this is very difficult, and the only thing I wish to add is this: "Maybe it was just Enweil's turn to sacrifice itself and die with honour". Since the latter did not happen, however, revenge is warranted. You can argue left or right that Enweil did in fact not side with the daimons, but that's simply hallucinating. It's like arguing Riombara is not the richest realm on Beluaterra.
About IVF: who cares what the original purpose of IVF was or, in fact, whatever the hell IVF was? If Riombara recognized someone as the rightful heir to the land that used to be IVF, then Riombara will push such a claim in war - which we see happening right here. You can seriously whine on for weeks about how wrong Riombara's interpretation of IVF is, but that will not matter the slightest, because Riombara has an army to back up their argument and in the end that is how arguments in Battlemaster are settled.
It's very surprising by the way that Riombara is actually managing to win this war at the moment. Either its enemies are preparing some master move or they're really just weak. I believe in the latter and in addition I cannot wait to see more realm in the North get involved (on either side). Like, seriously, someone has to go remind Old Grehk that calling yourself an Empire whilst your realm is no Empire whatsoever is lame as hell and needs a good spanking.
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Who cares who's wrong or right?
Riombara (and several others on BT) see Enweil as traitors to humankind. I think making your case against this is very difficult, and the only thing I wish to add is this: "Maybe it was just Enweil's turn to sacrifice itself and die with honour". Since the latter did not happen, however, revenge is warranted. You can argue left or right that Enweil did in fact not side with the daimons, but that's simply hallucinating. It's like arguing Riombara is not the richest realm on Beluaterra.
About IVF: who cares what the original purpose of IVF was or, in fact, whatever the hell IVF was? If Riombara recognized someone as the rightful heir to the land that used to be IVF, then Riombara will push such a claim in war - which we see happening right here. You can seriously whine on for weeks about how wrong Riombara's interpretation of IVF is, but that will not matter the slightest, because Riombara has an army to back up their argument and in the end that is how arguments in Battlemaster are settled.
It's very surprising by the way that Riombara is actually managing to win this war at the moment. Either its enemies are preparing some master move or they're really just weak. I believe in the latter and in addition I cannot wait to see more realm in the North get involved (on either side). Like, seriously, someone has to go remind Old Grehk that calling yourself an Empire whilst your realm is no Empire whatsoever is lame as hell and needs a good spanking.
How is it surprising that Riombara is winning? Enweil is probably the weakest realm on the continent barring Caelum.
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has an army to back up their argument and in the end that is how arguments in Battlemaster are settled.
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Enweilers are always hated. They tried to force everybody to become democrazies or republics. They attacked ArAgyr even thought invasion had started and everybody else was preparing to help each other and defend their lands. They murdered Julma Jaune...
So, Cosula family will always hate Enweil.
-Jaune
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Hear Hear!
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They went to Riombara for the specific goal of founding Meridian Republic.
No. Meridian wasnt planned as the KOA colony. They were easy recruits to MR, sure, but it wasn't made for them. It was Mordred that had the idea, and Khaludh who executed it from Rines (as he won the die roll when he and Nigel tied for the duchy of Rines).
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No. Meridian wasnt planned as the KOA colony. They were easy recruits to MR, sure, but it wasn't made for them. It was Mordred that had the idea, and Khaludh who executed it from Rines (as he won the die roll when he and Nigel tied for the duchy of Rines).
Agreed. Evander certainly never knew anything about any such plans, and would have opposed the entry of any KoA nobles if he had. Chenier obviously doesn't understand the extent of the bitterness the secession created; it's true that Riombara accepted MR's regions back after the invasion, which I'm sure seemed very convenient from the outside, but consider that (as enumerated in earlier posts) most of the original plotters who were behind the secession had passed on already or soon would as of the reunification. Evander saw to it that most of the rest got what they deserved, with the unfortunate exceptions of Nigel de la Fere and Yuri Ishimu. Note that no Lefanis family member was permitted back into Riombara until after Evander left the scene (alas, most Riombaran nobles today don't remember the events surrounding the secession, the fools). Not for lack of trying either; at least two Lefanises after Mordred tried to gain entry to Riombara while Evander was still there, and both were rebuffed.
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No. Meridian wasnt planned as the KOA colony. They were easy recruits to MR, sure, but it wasn't made for them. It was Mordred that had the idea, and Khaludh who executed it from Rines (as he won the die roll when he and Nigel tied for the duchy of Rines).
They joined Riombara to form a colony to serve the monsters, and Rines seceded with them to form a colony the serve the monsters. I really fail to see how the fact that it wasn't planned that the colony would form from Rines is of any importance. They joined to get a colony from Rio, Rio let them in, and they ended up getting what they came for. Rio knew what these people were coming for. If Rio opposed the idea of a colony for the monsters, then they simply wouldn't have let them in.
And Enweil's ceasefire with the daimons is no worse than Rio's with the monsters.
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Rio knew what these people were coming for.
No, we didn't.
Even if we had, we would have allowed them to join—as was Riombara's general policy—but forbidden them from making such a colony.
Is it really so very hard for you to believe that Riombara did not approve of, condone, sanction, or in any other way support the creation of a quasi-hostile realm that took most of its good regions with it to do something it has always categorically opposed?
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And Enweil's ceasefire with the daimons is no worse than Rio's with the monsters.
So now does Rio get to bitch and complain and monopolise every Beluaterra thread for years to complain about it, too?
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And Enweil's ceasefire with the daimons is no worse than Rio's with the monsters.
I don't care about that, personally. We did have a ceasefire with the monsters for a time, which we eventually chose to break; they offered one out of the blue (from our perspective, anyway), and we took it since we really weren't in any position to refuse. It was either accept or die pointlessly, as at the time they made the offer Lance of Gilgamesh was occupying Grehk and could have started a TO at any time, had he so chosen. We were completely at their mercy.
What does irritate me is your endless campaign to misrepresent what happened. You weren't there and you don't really know anything about what transpired inside Riombara that isn't pure hearsay, so please stop lying about it. You are literally making this up. I know you are, because unlike you, I was there. If there was any agreement between KoA and the monsters, that wasn't general knowledge in Riombara. I was the General at the time, and Anaris was the Chancellor, and both of us are telling you that we didn't know.
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And Enweil's ceasefire with the daimons is no worse than Rio's with the monsters.
Are you talking about Enweil's alliance with the daimons in the 4th invasion or Enweil's surrender to them this invasion?
And well, what everyone else has said: stop lying already. It gets tiring after a few years.
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I don't care about that, personally. We did have a ceasefire with the monsters for a time, which we eventually chose to break; they offered one out of the blue (from our perspective, anyway), and we took it since we really weren't in any position to refuse. It was either accept or die pointlessly, as at the time they made the offer Lance of Gilgamesh was occupying Grehk and could have started a TO at any time, had he so chosen. We were completely at their mercy.
What does irritate me is your endless campaign to misrepresent what happened. You weren't there and you don't really know anything about what transpired inside Riombara that isn't pure hearsay, so please stop lying about it. You are literally making this up. I know you are, because unlike you, I was there. If there was any agreement between KoA and the monsters, that wasn't general knowledge in Riombara. I was the General at the time, and Anaris was the Chancellor, and both of us are telling you that we didn't know.
You are stating that you didn't know things that were going on in your own realm that people outside of it knew, which is rather hard to believe to say the least. That you didn't know doesn't mean that you couldn't have known, however (Rio is good at deluding itself), and it certainly doesn't mean that no one in Rio knew. I'm pretty sure I used the knowledge I had to slander Riombara as it happened, I think I may have even put it on the propaganda newspaper I was running at the time. The knowledge was most definitely public. You probably just chose to ignore the facts, as with a great deal of other things, because it inconvenienced you, as Rio always does.
The sum of opposing vectors is zero. That's what happened during the fourth invasion. The monsters and daimons were pitted against each other, and the weaker side was aided against the stronger side, in order to keep a null sum. To side with none would have resulted in the same as siding with the monsters: more destruction and more blight. The surrender in the fifth was the same as Rio's in the fourth: it was just pointless to die. By surrender, the daimons were effectively made weaker, because cities were unblighted and daimon worship spread was resisted.
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(Rio is good at deluding itself)
We, humbly, learned from the master.
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You are stating that you didn't know things that were going on in your own realm that people outside of it knew, which is rather hard to believe to say the least. That you didn't know doesn't mean that you couldn't have known, however (Rio is good at deluding itself), and it certainly doesn't mean that no one in Rio knew. I'm pretty sure I used the knowledge I had to slander Riombara as it happened, I think I may have even put it on the propaganda newspaper I was running at the time. The knowledge was most definitely public. You probably just chose to ignore the facts, as with a great deal of other things, because it inconvenienced you, as Rio always does.
So, your contention is that, rather than the simple answer (that the people intending to form a secession from Riombara that opposed its basic principles actually kept it secret from Riombara's leadership), we knew all about the planned secession, chose to allow it, even when it crippled Riombara and led very, very close to our total destruction, and then lied about knowing about it, and continue, five years or more after the fact, to conspire with each other to lie to you about knowing about the planned Meridian secession.
That sounds like it would make perfect sense in the Chénier-verse, but here in the real world, sorry, mate, but that sort of thing is just ridiculous.
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You are stating that you didn't know things that were going on in your own realm that people outside of it knew, which is rather hard to believe to say the least. That you didn't know doesn't mean that you couldn't have known, however (Rio is good at deluding itself), and it certainly doesn't mean that no one in Rio knew. I'm pretty sure I used the knowledge I had to slander Riombara as it happened, I think I may have even put it on the propaganda newspaper I was running at the time. The knowledge was most definitely public. You probably just chose to ignore the facts, as with a great deal of other things, because it inconvenienced you, as Rio always does.
I can't ignore what I don't know about. As Anaris pointed out, what motivation could we possibly have to lie about this so many years down the line? I'm telling you, we didn't know.
Sure, some people in Riombara probably did. They would most likely be the people who formed the conspiracy to secede Rines and create the Meridian Republic, people like Mordred and Khaludh. By definition, conspiracies are kept secret from those who aren't a part of them, so again, we didn't know what they were planning at the time, and if we had we probably would have taken steps to prevent them from doing it. We very well might not have succeeded given that they controlled two Dukes, the Judge and several other region lords, but we certainly would have tried everything in our power to stop them.
You can disregard everything I'm saying and assume I'm pursuing some sort of agenda, but I assure you, I have none. I really could care less about the fact that you have a serious nut against Riombara, but it irks me when you say things that are flatly untrue where they concern my characters. Among those who stayed in Riombara after the secession of the Meridian Republic, there was no general foreknowledge of anything that Lefanis and the others had been planning. Simple common sense should suffice to make that clear. If we were so intent on making a deal with the monsters, MR would never have needed to secede; it would have been Riombara's official policy.
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Khaludh had no clue till after he was elected Duke of Rines and Mordred approached him with the idea of secession. He didn't had any plans to secede till then and didn't even campaign for Rines, I just didn't bother getting him out of the election.
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So, your contention is that, rather than the simple answer (that the people intending to form a secession from Riombara that opposed its basic principles actually kept it secret from Riombara's leadership), we knew all about the planned secession, chose to allow it, even when it crippled Riombara and led very, very close to our total destruction, and then lied about knowing about it, and continue, five years or more after the fact, to conspire with each other to lie to you about knowing about the planned Meridian secession.
That sounds like it would make perfect sense in the Chénier-verse, but here in the real world, sorry, mate, but that sort of thing is just ridiculous.
You are repeating your own bull!@#$ so often that you have come to actually believe it.
Micro Enweil.png June 28, 2010 Micro Enweil.png
"For Riombara and the Monsters", take 2
The results are in. 46% of Riombarans wanted an alliance with the monsters in order to destroy Enweil and Avalon. Equally, they rejected the option to wage war on the monsters. If they are a bit shy to commit, we get a clear sense of their values.
Addenda: To add to the hypocrisy, the author of a less-reputable newspaper of the south, Mordred Lefanis the judge of Riombara, has complained about "unwarranted attacks" by this paper on the people of Riombara. It is to be noted that this is the man who wrote up the proposed alliance and who did all he can to make the alliance with the monsters pass.
Micro Enweil.png June 27, 2010 Micro Enweil.png
"For Riombara and the Monsters"
Or so should the hypocrite in power there start to sign his letters. Riombara is currently voting on a proposed alliance with the monsters in which they would allow the monsters to destroy Enweil and Avalon to give more land to the monster-aligned Dominion. This proposed alliance is brought forth by none other than their great Chamberlain, Mordred Lefanis, a so-called "defender of humanity" who passed most of his days since the last invasion accusing others of collaborating with inhumans and making up evidence. More and more southerners are flocking to Enweil, disgusted by their leaders, to join a land that knows what dignity, honour, and courage are.
You guys freaking VOTED on allying the monsters. And it almost passed. KoA had already submitted to the monsters by then, the terms for which were very much public. Annaej had already joined the monsters herself.
And this was very much so before the secession of Rines. So yea, I call total bull!@#$ when you say that the secession took you by total surprise and that you never could have seen it coming. Some of you may have been clueless, but definitely not not all of you. And those who had no idea were indeed very clueless: it could not have been any more obvious than it was. There might not have been an elaborate plan, and Rines might not have been chosen as the spot to do so until the very end, but the general idea of a colony for the monsters was very public and was circulating since well before you took any of the allurians into your realm, and it was clear even before the secession, thanks to that vote, that a vast portion of your nobles were in favor of fighting against humanity.
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You are repeating your own bull!@#$ so often that you have come to actually believe it.
Says the Chénier.
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And this was very much so before the secession of Rines. So yea, I call total bull!@#$ when you say that the secession took you by total surprise and that you never could have seen it coming. Some of you may have been clueless, but definitely not not all of you. And those who had no idea were indeed very clueless: it could not have been any more obvious than it was. There might not have been an elaborate plan, and Rines might not have been chosen as the spot to do so until the very end, but the general idea of a colony for the monsters was very public and was circulating since well before you took any of the allurians into your realm, and it was clear even before the secession, thanks to that vote, that a vast portion of your nobles were in favor of fighting against humanity.
You're completely making that up based on a pair of referendums which had nothing to do with either colonies or secessions. Those referendums were about what Riombara would do. As you can see, opinion was split, but there wasn't majority support for either option. That didn't necessarily mean that someone was going to basically start a civil war over the issue. After all, I wanted to fight the monsters, and you didn't see me planning a secession just because the referendum to fight them didn't pass. It does not naturally follow that someone who doesn't get their way in a democratic system is going to start planning a coup the very next day.
It's easy for you to sit there on your high horse with the full benefit of hindsight and lecture us about how we should have seen it coming, but frankly you weren't there, so shut up and stop telling me what I did and didn't know already.
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You're completely making that up based on a pair of referendums which had nothing to do with either colonies or secessions. Those referendums were about what Riombara would do. As you can see, opinion was split, but there wasn't majority support for either option. That didn't necessarily mean that someone was going to basically start a civil war over the issue. After all, I wanted to fight the monsters, and you didn't see me planning a secession just because the referendum to fight them didn't pass. It does not naturally follow that someone who doesn't get their way in a democratic system is going to start planning a coup the very next day.
It's easy for you to sit there on your high horse with the full benefit of hindsight and lecture us about how we should have seen it coming, but frankly you weren't there, so shut up and stop telling me what I did and didn't know already.
Except that I was saying you'd do it before you even did it, so it's hardly just hindsight.
I've always maintained the same position, and the records show that I had evidence to back up my claims before any of them actually came true. If a foreigner saw it coming, then an insider could have and should have as well.
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It's easy for you to sit there on your high horse with the full benefit of hindsight and lecture us about how we should have seen it coming, but frankly you weren't there, so shut up and stop telling me what I did and didn't know already.
He has a high horse? :P
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Except that I was saying you'd do it before you even did it, so it's hardly just hindsight.
I've always maintained the same position, and the records show that I had evidence to back up my claims before any of them actually came true. If a foreigner saw it coming, then an insider could have and should have as well.
You're so incredibly biased that it's hard to take anything you have to say about Riombara seriously, as you will always assume the worst about them and draw conclusions accordingly, much as you've been doing throughout this thread. You would be inclined to reach a conclusion that Riombara was going to betray humanity because that's the conclusion you wanted to come to, regardless of the facts you were looking at. You have a way of interpreting facts creatively when it comes to Riombara, so I would have been far more impressed if someone (anyone) else had said the same thing.
By all means though, introduce your evidence. I'm actually curious. I can tell you right now that it's either willfully misinterpreted or it involves things that I had no knowledge of.
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By all means though, introduce your evidence.
*crickets chirping as a tumbleweed rolls by*
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*ahem* I would like to point out that I've seen the same thing that Chenier has been saying about Riombara. Pretty much all the rebuttals have been coming from players in Riombara, who have been saying that they had to make peace with the monsters or be overrun. Well, that's great and all, but then you turn around and point the finger at Enweil for surrendering to the daimons. Hypocrisy much?
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For Marche, his complaint is that Enweil refused to break the agreement afterwards once they had their Capital back. That is the slight difference. Marche understood the surrender, but Riombara demanded that Enweil rejoin the fight for Humanity once they had recovered and asked Enweil to join Riombara after they had lost their Capital for the second time, promising them their sovereignty. They refused to do either. That is where the crucial difference lays. Not so much the surrender in the Fifth Invasion, but their refusal to rejoin the fight afterwards is what pissed Marche off at that time.
P.S. I agree that difference is small, but it is a crucial one for my character.
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*ahem* I would like to point out that I've seen the same thing that Chenier has been saying about Riombara. Pretty much all the rebuttals have been coming from players in Riombara, who have been saying that they had to make peace with the monsters or be overrun. Well, that's great and all, but then you turn around and point the finger at Enweil for surrendering to the daimons. Hypocrisy much?
If that were our only complaint with Chénier's rhetoric, you'd be right.
It's not. He's been accusing us of all kinds of things for years now, many of which have no real basis in fact, and are basically him believing his own propaganda.
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*ahem* I would like to point out that I've seen the same thing that Chenier has been saying about Riombara. Pretty much all the rebuttals have been coming from players in Riombara, who have been saying that they had to make peace with the monsters or be overrun. Well, that's great and all, but then you turn around and point the finger at Enweil for surrendering to the daimons. Hypocrisy much?
Riombara is hypocritical, often deeply so. That doesn't mean Chenier isn't grossly distorting the facts.
As I alluded to earlier, I could care less about what Enweil did during the Fifth Invasion. Or the Fourth Invasion, for that matter. They mainly got shafted. What bothers me is when Chenier shows up here and starts saying things that are flatly untrue.
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What bothers me is when Chenier shows up here and starts saying things that are flatly untrue.
And then calls you guys the liars, saying you are just believing your own BS.
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And then calls you guys the liars, saying you are just believing your own BS.
So basically both sides are saying the same thing, and are horrified at the thought that they would do such a thing.
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So basically both sides are saying the same thing, and are horrified at the thought that they would do such a thing.
Except...what we are accusing Chénier of is lying. Because we know that the things he is saying are untrue. Because we were there.
What he is accusing us of is knowing things that we did not know and doing things that we did not do. Things that he assumes to be the case from information he does have, and the way he believes Riombara to think and act. OOC, I am perfectly willing to admit that Riombara is far from the white knight realm it likes to think of itself as (especially under Delvin's rule!), but to suggest that (for instance) its leadership not only knew about the plans to secede half the realm to form a realm to ally with the monsters and either did nothing or actively abetted them, but also then spent the next 5 RL years lying about it, IC and OOC, is simply preposterous.
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I'm just going to put this out there, from the outside that's what it looked like.
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I'm just going to put this out there, from the outside that's what it looked like.
You seem to be missing the point then.
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So basically both sides are saying the same thing, and are horrified at the thought that they would do such a thing.
Why can't a southern war be as clear-cut as a northern war? ::)
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Why can't a southern war be as clear-cut as a northern war? ::)
GIVE US YOUR CAPITAL! ;D
I'm just going to put this out there, from the outside that's what it looked like.
Well, Chenier has been and is assuming things from the outside in, while /everyone/ in Riombara on both sides of the secession claims otherwise, OOC and years after it happened. So yeah, I would think that the ones who actually did all those things and don't really have a reason to lie about it after so much time are probably the ones who are right, while the one quoting his own propaganda is more likely to be wrong. A matter of sources really.
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>:( Where the hell is the Ackley Arrandal Marshal Extradionaire, Duke of Du-mazing Things, and all around battle guy, er, with a bit of Von Genf thrown in, of course, discussion?
Instead all I read about lately is Chenier...
Don't care, don't care, back to the war!
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Is Riombara winning?
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Enweil and Allies (Fronen, Nothoi and Old Grehk) had gathered a 15k CS army in Droxago, while Riombara had around 11k CS in Thromegor. Enweil and Allies attacked, but only managed to get 11k CS to Thromegor and were defeated in the first major battle of the conflict (Albeit both sides lost around the same amount). Enweil and Allies decided to regroup in Droxago afterwards. Meanwhile a Fronen raiding party in the North of Riombara managed to secure a few victories before being chased out by Riombaran troops at around the same time.
That's currently where the conflict stands. But those victories would have never been achieved if it wasn't for Ackley and Jos. They have given a great revival to the Riombaran military, which has greatly increased in strength due that, and actually dared to park our 11k CS army right next to Droxago, as well as organized the forces up North to deal with Fronen at the same time.
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But those victories would have never been achieved if it wasn't for Ackley and Jos. They have given a great revival to the Riombaran military, which has greatly increased in strength due that, and actually dared to park our 11k CS army right next to Droxago, as well as organized the forces up North to deal with Fronen at the same time.
Deal with Fronen? Fronen only sent small army..
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Small enough to take over our regions in the Northern Islands, while we were too busy with the larger force in the South. Didn't quite work out that way though, since our forces began dealing Fronen blows the minute they started landing, and now it seems like the last of the Fronens are stuck in Melegra without the gold to run home.
I actually thought about offering them the money to do so, because after all, Fronen are only misguided in their alliances, right? Or, is it true that Fronen really think that Enweil's re-nigging on their bargain was just? And that they fight for a just cause?
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I has receive (bad/stupid/insult or anything) letter from rio noble.. Other also received.. But we from fronen will not reply it..
Fronen just collect data from all information, and create a blacklist for this rio noble..
Now there's two noble in our blacklist..
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Small enough to take over our regions in the Northern Islands, while we were too busy with the larger force in the South. Didn't quite work out that way though, since our forces began dealing Fronen blows the minute they started landing, and now it seems like the last of the Fronens are stuck in Melegra without the gold to run home.
I actually thought about offering them the money to do so, because after all, Fronen are only misguided in their alliances, right? Or, is it true that Fronen really think that Enweil's re-nigging on their bargain was just? And that they fight for a just cause?
Look like Fronen will focus on help Enweil in the frontline.. Sure, Riombara will losttt~ :)
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Yargh, BT has gone MAD! MAD i tell you... Enweil do not deserve any help from anybody. They are EVIL, they are The Chaos!
Off with their heads! OFF! HEADS!
-Jaune
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All small realm just want attract more noble.. That why Fronen, Nothoi, OG join this war.. And I like Enweil more than Rio.. :) I will make sure Fronen involved in this war until the end/enweil & Ally win.. :)
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4 Realms picking on 1 Realm is not the way to win friends and influence people, if thats the case. ;D
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4 Realms picking on 1 Realm is not the way to win friends and influence people, if thats the case. ;D
1 superpower surrounded by sea picking off a realm battered and left in ruins by the invasion, breaking a humiliating peace treaty doing so, isn't really a great way to make friends either. Rio is the top military power of the continent, and Enweil is the second-weakest.
Rio deserves no pity. Invasion after invasion, they are left stronger and stronger, while Enweil was left weaker and weaker. Enweil lost Fwuvoghor, Fengen, and Enweilieos to the daimons, had Iato and Fheuvenem brought to ashes, and recovered a pile of ruins called Ete. Rio Got basically all of the lands from Irombrozia and Kindgom of Alluran. All in basically pristine condition.
Even with the large coalition against them, the odds remain in Riombara's favor.
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And Enweil kept attacking Ar Agyr while monsters and undeads attacked northern part of Ar Agyr. Enweil, largest realm on Beluaterra attacked along with 5+ ohter realms Ar Agyr... and we should feel bad for them... pthyi! Enweil should have been disappeard from map of BT long time ago... there just have not been any Cosulas on ruler to do so...
-Jaune
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Enweil sucks and they created a group of other realms that crave to be bad too. Like Old Grehk and Nothoi! Only Fronen deserves a little respect. They shall all fail miserably and humiliate themselves, because they were too lame to find a war in their own region in the first place (this mostly goes for Old Grehk).
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Rio is the top military power of the continent, and Enweil is the second-weakest.
I resent that! We are simply de-militarizing for future wars at the moment. :)
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Enweil lost Fwuvoghor, Fengen, and Enweilieos to the daimons, had Iato and Fheuvenem brought to ashes, and recovered a pile of ruins called Ete. Rio Got basically all of the lands from Irombrozia and Kindgom of Alluran. All in basically pristine condition.
Why would the regions recovered from the Blight that are now under Riombara's banner be in any better condition then say Ete City? The Islands were surely still in good condition, because Riombara managed to stop the various Daimon Armies before they reached those inner lands (Except for the Portal Guardians but they were just marching to the Cities before ending the Invasion), but to claim the rest was in pristine condition is pushing it a bit too far.
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who is this Juane, I like him.
I also had a chuckle at Nolodorin's comment too.
Riombara is pretty good, every Noble there is fully committed to the war, and committed to stopping anyone that comes a knocking. But its just our luck that we are, and doesnt stop fact, or make it acceptable for the bully boy behavior of 4 Realms, against 1.
We have plenty of good Nobles who have arrived in Riombara too, which surely help, and they do have the pleasure of fighting for a side that can be respected. Which still leaves me scratching my head on how other Realms can fight for a side they could not possibly respect? Even new to Beluaterra and even the game, I know that that state doesnt deserve to live past yesterday, let alone tomorrow... Its Treachery continues with its refusal to honor their agreement to give back lands not their own.
And to say that Fronen are to be respected is a bit of a stretch to me, for they are the only Realm to attempt TO our Regions. Scuttle butt around the camp fire says that while Nothoi and OG may be in this war for the wrong reasons, at least their, there as Allies, but Fronen is out for what it can gain. What says Fronen on this charge of greed, rather than just behaving as support of their Allied Realm? Although, really...seriously? Enweil? Are you just using the war as an excuse to gain some free land? And to see whats in it for you? Did you think that 4 Realms against 1, even if its Riombara, would mean that you'd be able to split the spoils later on? Something to think about...
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I used to play Julma Jaune, King of Ar Agyr and Thalmarkin(Dead) and Piru Petteri King of Thalmarkin(Dead) and Outo Olavi, Duke of Agyr... alive and soon to be King of Ar Agyr :)
-jaune
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Before we bad mouth each other, this is battlemaster.. We want war, that why we play this game.. And we dont need good reason to involve in any war.. We will use all way to win the war.. All way..
When someone complaint about something, that mean you feel that your side will lost (in war)
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Before we bad mouth each other, this is battlemaster.. We want war, that why we play this game.. And we dont need good reason to involve in any war.. We will use all way to win the war.. All way..
When someone complaint about something, that mean you feel that your side will lost (in war)
You are completely right, and the war even seems fairly balanced so it might take a while... which is good. I do wonder though how much Old Grehkians like this war, seeing as how they have nearly a week to travel south and then a week to travel north being all humiliated on the battlefield.
The might of that empire. ;)
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The might of that empire. ;)
That seems to be destiny of Mighty Empires these days :)
-jaune
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who is this Juane, I like him.
I also had a chuckle at Nolodorin's comment too.
Riombara is pretty good, every Noble there is fully committed to the war, and committed to stopping anyone that comes a knocking. But its just our luck that we are, and doesnt stop fact, or make it acceptable for the bully boy behavior of 4 Realms, against 1.
We have plenty of good Nobles who have arrived in Riombara too, which surely help, and they do have the pleasure of fighting for a side that can be respected. Which still leaves me scratching my head on how other Realms can fight for a side they could not possibly respect? Even new to Beluaterra and even the game, I know that that state doesnt deserve to live past yesterday, let alone tomorrow... Its Treachery continues with its refusal to honor their agreement to give back lands not their own.
And to say that Fronen are to be respected is a bit of a stretch to me, for they are the only Realm to attempt TO our Regions. Scuttle butt around the camp fire says that while Nothoi and OG may be in this war for the wrong reasons, at least their, there as Allies, but Fronen is out for what it can gain. What says Fronen on this charge of greed, rather than just behaving as support of their Allied Realm? Although, really...seriously? Enweil? Are you just using the war as an excuse to gain some free land? And to see whats in it for you? Did you think that 4 Realms against 1, even if its Riombara, would mean that you'd be able to split the spoils later on? Something to think about...
The war, and the fact that it's 4v1, are entirely Riombara's fault. This is a war of aggression against Enweil and that is how most of the rest of the islands perceives it, which is in turn why so many realms are willing to help Enweil; it's Riombara that looks like the bully here.
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War against Enweil is karma what will follow them to their end, and those who try to resist this Karma will be greatly punished cause they try to effect karma, right and justice happening! Enweil, is the Evil which should not be.
-Jaune
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War against Enweil is karma what will follow them to their end, and those who try to resist this Karma will be greatly punished cause they try to effect karma, right and justice happening! Enweil, is the Evil which should not be.
-Jaune
Rio, is devil.. They have more gold, food, city , rural, noble and now they want more land?
After they get more region, they will ask more war ! After that they will create puppet realm.. War, war, war.. And finished like Ce in atamara..
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The war, and the fact that it's 4v1, are entirely Riombara's fault. This is a war of aggression against Enweil and that is how most of the rest of the islands perceives it, which is in turn why so many realms are willing to help Enweil; it's Riombara that looks like the bully here.
Riombara dropped the ball diplomatically. Things would have been much different if some of the arguments posted to the forum were used in game before the war (and to more than just the rulers). Enweil didn't limit itself to relying on their ruler, my character was getting word of things through guild/religious message channels. Maybe the realms in the north are used to communicating with each other more, and Riombara forgot that there is more to Beluaterra than them and Enweil.
Also helped that Chenier wasn't in any position of leadership in Enweil in the build up to the war.
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Yes, Folcard pretty much destroyed Riombara's diplomatic situation which is what caused Enweil to have so many Allies. That situation was very different just after the Invasion. Pretty much everyone was on Riombara's side at that point.
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Yes, Folcard pretty much destroyed Riombara's diplomatic situation which is what caused Enweil to have so many Allies. That situation was very different just after the Invasion. Pretty much everyone was on Riombara's side at that point.
Indeed, so let's all keep that mind before we start lamenting about poor Riombara, victim of circumstance 8)
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Don't forget! Enweil sent their letter to Overlord last! Was first to fight the mighty daimon armies >:D That alone should be enough for other realms to help Enweil ::)
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Also helped that Chenier wasn't in any position of leadership in Enweil in the build up to the war.
I serve my realm in any way I can, even if it means me leaving it.
The new ruler did far better at getting sympathy than I anticipated, though. I was afraid we'd get another lousy ruler who never does any diplomacy.
Also, Enweil and Fronen have been looking out for each other for ages, ever since Fronen's "rebirth" (given that the new Fronen is nothing at all like the original one). Circumstances limited their ability to help each other most of the time, but they were always there for each other and fighting foes of the same blocs. It should come as no surprise that they fight together now, even though I'm not sure Fronen's new leadership is aware of this shared history.
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Don't forget! Enweil sent their letter to Overlord last! Was first to fight be crushed by the mighty daimon armies >:D That alone should be enough for other realms to help Enweil ::)
Fixed that for you ;D
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Fixed that for you ;D
Thanks.... :'(
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I serve my realm in any way I can, even if it means me leaving it.
The new ruler did far better at getting sympathy than I anticipated, though. I was afraid we'd get another lousy ruler who never does any diplomacy.
Also, Enweil and Fronen have been looking out for each other for ages, ever since Fronen's "rebirth" (given that the new Fronen is nothing at all like the original one). Circumstances limited their ability to help each other most of the time, but they were always there for each other and fighting foes of the same blocs. It should come as no surprise that they fight together now, even though I'm not sure Fronen's new leadership is aware of this shared history.
Yes Enweil and Fronen are very close, at least it was before. Nothoi was getting closer thanks to Fronen.
Not sure how the new ruler will work with them. At least its not Gog. That old man really hates Enweil
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War news:
Enweil, Fronen manage to beat riombara forces in Uscala... And...
+ Riombara and Enweil has received many (atleast 10) new noble, why Enweil ally not? I hope new player/ or anyone interested to play in Bt, emigrated to Beluatera and join Fronen, Old Grekh, or Nothoi...
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Riombara has always attracted nobles. It's got a long history of being a unique realm where (if you like its type) fun things tend to happen.
I can't speak for what's going on in Enweil and its allies, but Riombara gaining 10 new nobles since the start of this war shouldn't be seen as anything unusual.
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As someone who just emigrated a character to BT, it's easy enough to pick Riombara. "Large realm, wealthy, lots of enemies", it's like a neon sign for fun. Plus, I had an advy in Melhed who is tailing a noble. She jumped ship and moved to Riombara in suite with her master (who seemed to have moved for the same reasons).
It seems reminiscent of Perdan, and if that is any clue, I kind of feel bad for Enweil & Co.
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"Another part is a lack of quality recruitment centers, which we are working on improving as regions improve and can support the infrastructure."
"Even then, the only reason there would have been gold to recruit more cavalry is because of family wealth. Wheling produces less than seventy gold a week, and in all of Enweil only Uscala is thriving."
Some information from Enweil noble.. Enweil received 10 noble but, truth; Enweil don't have enough gold n Rc for their new noble.
• Even if total noble of Enweil is 50 and Rio 30, Riombara still can win..
• other player that want to join Enweil in the future (or now in Enweil), please join other realm like Fronen, Nothoi or OG. You will get more gold, more opportunity and more fun.
• War will become more interesting if all Enweil allies received more noble.. Maybe in the future..
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• Even if total noble of Enweil is 50 and Rio 30, Riombara still can win..
• other player that want to join Enweil in the future (or now in Enweil), please join other realm like Fronen, Nothoi or OG. You will get more gold, more opportunity and more fun.
Yes. Join Fronen. And we will take over one of Riombara city.. Together, we will win!
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Yes, join Fronen! I'm new and i like it a lot already. Everyone is very friendly.
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"Another part is a lack of quality recruitment centers, which we are working on improving as regions improve and can support the infrastructure."
"Even then, the only reason there would have been gold to recruit more cavalry is because of family wealth. Wheling produces less than seventy gold a week, and in all of Enweil only Uscala is thriving."
Some information from Enweil noble.. Enweil received 10 noble but, truth; Enweil don't have enough gold n Rc for their new noble.
• Even if total noble of Enweil is 50 and Rio 30, Riombara still can win..
• other player that want to join Enweil in the future (or now in Enweil), please join other realm like Fronen, Nothoi or OG. You will get more gold, more opportunity and more fun.
• War will become more interesting if all Enweil allies received more noble.. Maybe in the future..
Not really true. My noble is the Lord of Uscala, the region is rich. Not a single noble has approached him about an estate (its an IC thing that he won't offer, someone has to approach him).
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Not really true. My noble is the Lord of Uscala, the region is rich. Not a single noble has approached him about an estate (its an IC thing that he won't offer, someone has to approach him).
So, you will get more knight after this..
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Yes, join Fronen! I'm new and i like it a lot already. Everyone is very friendly.
+1 .. Maybe you should join Ex Gratio guild after this.. And spend some gold for unique item..
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Not really true. My noble is the Lord of Uscala, the region is rich. Not a single noble has approached him about an estate (its an IC thing that he won't offer, someone has to approach him).
Indeed, you basically have to force people to run for lordships after TOs.
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Because of the orders page is broken, riombara manage to defeat Fronen forces in Yncaalo...
Battle in Yncaalo (Riombara vs Fronen)
Total:
13 attackers (224 Inf, 275 Arch, 60 Cav, 131 SF)
12 defenders (171 Inf, 84 MI, 164 Arch, 88 Cav, 101 SF)
Attacker Victory!
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We won because we had a superior force and smashed Fronen and Enweil's forces separately.
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We won because we had a superior force and smashed Fronen and Enweil's forces separately.
yeah you right.. Maybe Fronen should stop support Enweil.. And support Riombara..
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Why not, you'd get better lands out of it at least :P
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Why not, you'd get better lands out of it at least :P
With help from Fronen, Enweil now become more powerful, more region. And now Enweil received more noble while other allies not..
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I would really love to know why Fronen was just sitting in Yncaalo.
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I would really love to know why Fronen was just sitting in Yncaalo.
Fronen refuse to help Enweil..
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Fronen refuse to help Enweil..
Yeah, i saw that. They decided to get slaughtered instead. Sounds like solid reasoning to me.
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Principals are more important than survival, right?
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Principals are more important than survival, right?
Perhaps their own, but not when mine is on the line!!
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Some of Fronen reinforcement just did not arrived in Yncaalo.. And some troop has been attack by monster n undead before reach Yncaalo..
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The decision to stay in Yncaalo was a bad move. Its not like we were going to be able to keep the region.
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Yeah, I found that strange on Fronen's behalf, I would have supported Enweil in Lopa, and then in Cjelorg, when they begun the TO's there, or at least stop and defend Enweil in Cjelorg especially when we were coming to hammer them. Fronen just quit Yncaalo after their losses and ran right past their allies. ???
Update for those not in the know
3 battles in a row, in 3 different regions, Riombara won all of them. Its odd though, we could also use some more nobles to head to Riombara, plenty of opportunities to get ahead, and to fight on the winning side.
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3 battles in a row, in 3 different regions, Riombara won all of them. Its odd though, we could also use some more nobles to head to Riombara, plenty of opportunities to get ahead, and to fight on the winning side.
We just do not want the war ended early .. :)
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New Realm Member (16 minutes
ago)
A new noble has just arrived in
Fronen from one of the other
continents. Aberforth
Dumbledore is starting a new
career today. You can check the
background of this family or send
a welcome message.
In future, we will see Hogwarts as one of realm in Beluaterra.. :)
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Letter from Outo Olavi Cosula
Message sent to the Rulers of Beluaterra (9 recipients)
Good Day, or mayby it isnt so good.
Looking diplomatic relations page, it makes almost mad to see so many allied with Enweil and so many at war with Riombra.
Ar Agyr is considering to ally with Riombra and who knows we even might raise our swords to defend this southern land.
So, unless you are not ready to face wrath of Ar Agyr, i urge you to stop your silly war with Riombra and stop supporting Evil Enweil, which never has done anything good.
I had great respect towards Old Grehk, but this amazes me that they have allied with Enweil, and even more it amazes me that they are war with Riombra.
Fronen, bah... anything can be expected from them, Thalmarkin should have finished them when they had chanche to do so... shorter route to spank Enweilians.
So, i urge you rulers have few thoughts what you are doing... this is madness.
-OO
Outo Olavi Cosula
King of Ar Agyr
Royal of Ar Agyr
Duke of Agyr
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So, Rio won. Whats next?
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Let's we sink Beluaterra ! (If Rio won using this bad letter..)
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Well, this is sort of de-ja-vu...
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Luz_de_Bia_Chronicles/December_Edition
Thalmarkin Joins the War offically
December 12th 2006
Thalmarkin joined the war offically, by declaring hostilities against Enweil and Luz, we had to smile at the message that Julma Jaune, sent to the ruler channel.
Letter from Julma Jaune (3 hours, 40 minutes ago) Message sent to the Rulers of this world (21 recipients) Time to teach those southern imperialists some manners. Enweil, get yer butt out from Riombra LdB war. LdB agree for Riombras terms. If not, our mighty army will march down there and give you some spanking.
Julma Jaune King of Thalmarkin
This really made us smile. Anyway, with hardly any Riombaran or hostile force around we have started TO's of Mio and Glongin and getting the rest of our regions under control. More updates will follow.
--Article written by Sam
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Let's we sink Beluaterra ! (If Rio won using this bad letter..)
Well, Rio IMO never even risked losing this war so...
But hey, more fun for everyone!
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Actually, it looked really bad for Riombara in the beginning. However Riombara saw a great military revival that certainly changed the odds. Riombara has also managed to exploit some opportunities presented to them by their enemies, but things could have looked way different. While I think the odds certainly favour Riombara right now, it's far from certain. Thanks to Enweil's Allies Riombara certainly did not start a war impossible to lose.
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I don't think it's so much a case of Riombara winning as it is of Enweil et al. losing. They've made some questionable moves, and they seem not at all coordinated with their allies. It's like four realms are all waging an individual war, not regarding their allies.
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So, if we consider the statistics information:
Riombara has +44K CS.
Enweil 9k CS
Nothoi 17k CS
Fronen 19k CS
This is considering mobile and militia, but still, Riombara has more CS than all the three realms combined and unless OG starts moving and really be a part of the war, then things will continue in favor of Riombara...
and yet, they need help from Ar Agyr....
That's a really interesting move...
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So, if we consider the statistics information:
Riombara has +44K CS.
Enweil 9k CS
Nothoi 17k CS
Fronen 19k CS
That's a really interesting move...
Enweil only 9k cs include militia? What about Ar Agyr ? This war will be interesting...
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So, if we consider the statistics information:
Riombara has +44K CS.
Enweil 9k CS
Nothoi 17k CS
Fronen 19k CS
This is considering mobile and militia, but still, Riombara has more CS than all the three realms combined and unless OG starts moving and really be a part of the war, then things will continue in favor of Riombara...
and yet, they need help from Ar Agyr....
That's a really interesting move...
When you're being attacked 3 or 4 against 1, you accept whatever help is offered, whether it's "needed" or not.
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Rio never asked AA's help. AA hates Enweil and luvs Rio and entered to war without being asked to do so...
I doubt it has huge impact on things(directly, but ofcourse there could be some side happenings following), AA is small realm, not bordering with Fronen/Enweil...
So, i guess its about to tie up Fronen forces from participating to war, ofcourse if Fronen sees the light and accepts AA's terms, we would be able to hit Devil itself, Enweil!
-Jaune
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Of course, the banker may have something to say about that...
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How to make lopsided battles even more fun: join the imperialistic superpower that sits safely in a corner and couldn't possibly ever be really threatened by anyone ever against what is possible the weakest realm on the continent...
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How to make lopsided battles even more fun: join the imperialistic superpower that sits safely in a corner and couldn't possibly ever be really threatened by anyone ever against what is possible the weakest realm on the continent...
I'm not 100% sure what above means... But i assume you try to say AA sucks cause it helps Rio, which cant be defeated?... but the end part just doesnt fit on my head... could you please please be more clear? And correct if i was totally wrong with my guess.
-jaune
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Superman Bob will destroy you all!
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I'm not 100% sure what above means... But i assume you try to say AA sucks cause it helps Rio, which cant be defeated?... but the end part just doesnt fit on my head... could you please please be more clear? And correct if i was totally wrong with my guess.
-jaune
Enweil is the underdog, sorta. Fight them and you're an imperialistic pig, regardless of their own long imperialistic record, when they were not held back by being the weakest realm on the continent. Also regardless of current diplomatic relations.
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Woot, i am glad things are getting more interesting. I am glad Jaune took over Argy then. Haha. And i am glad i took over to be on his side.
Regardless, i don't think it really matters who helped who. What matters is who are the ones making things more interesting. I have a character in Enweil, and it bore the hell out of me. I mean i can post something and nobody ever replies me. Eventhough i repeatedly spammed everyone - not literally of course.
There are way too many such players nowadays in battlemaster. And i am all out if it were to banish such players. Yeah, including those that jumped on Riombara's ship since they are the one winning the war. Just like what happened to thalmarkins. No offense guys, but that's just how it is... :)
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I have a character in Enweil, and it bore the hell out of me. I mean i can post something and nobody ever replies me. Eventhough i repeatedly spammed everyone - not literally of course.
Come to Fronen.. Fronen is better than Enweil, Ar Agyr, Melhed, and Nothoi in many aspect ..
Situation become more interesting now.. Hope we will be fun.. :)
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Come to Fronen.. Fronen is better than Enweil, Ar Agyr, Melhed, and Nothoi in many aspect ..
What aspects are those?
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What aspects are those?
You and your difficult questions. ;)
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Velax, are you in Beluaterra now? I thought you were in Cathay?
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Goddammit Fronen, stop sending infiltrators against me! ;D
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Whether Fronen is better than other realms depends on what you're looking for. It doesn't have many RP messages but the realm is set for lots of fighting both now and in the future.But, this thread is about the southern war. If people want to hear more about it let's move it to another thread.
With Ar Agyr's demand that Fronen let them send troops through their lands the war might drag most of the north into it. Of course, that bodes poorly for Enweil if Fronen has to pull their troops back...
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Bode poorly for Enweil? Oh darn. How horrible. Bad Ar Agyr. ::)
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Bode poorly for Enweil? Oh darn. How horrible. Bad Ar Agyr. ::)
heh, yeah bad Ar Agyr.. probably drawing the entire north into a war with their demands that Fronen let them pass through their lands instead of hopping on boats.
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heh, yeah bad Ar Agyr.. probably drawing the entire north into a war with their demands that Fronen let them pass through their lands instead of hopping on boats.
Good, my Eagles need a workout.
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Velax, are you in Beluaterra now? I thought you were in Cathay?
I'm not in Beluaterra or Cathay. Just interested as to the proof behind the claims Terises is making. Every man and his cat can say "My realm is better than all these others!" But if you're going to make those claims, you should be able to back it up.
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OO is oldskool man, "When i was a young man, there were no boats which could carry troops, only nobles and even then they moved just to another continent!"
I think Ar Agyr's plan is not only attack Enweil, but also help Rio by taking Fronen off from war... that prolly has greater impact than Ar Agyrs Navy wandering on the coast...
-Jaune
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Whether Fronen is better than other realms depends on what you're looking for. It doesn't have many RP messages but the realm is set for lots of fighting both now and in the future.But, this thread is about the southern war. If people want to hear more about it let's move it to another thread.
That is one aspect..:-D
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I think Ar Agyr's plan is not only attack Enweil, but also help Rio by taking Fronen off from war... that prolly has greater impact than Ar Agyrs Navy wandering on the coast...
-Jaune
Just say that if Ar Agyr really want to war with Fronen... With only 9 noble, what can you do? Buying food..? Fronen have thousand bushel of food to be sell now..
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What Ar Agyr really want is to see Enweil suffer... well, not sure if thats what Ar Agyr wants, thats what OO wants :)
Ar Agyr is not that much wanting to war with Fronen, it just want Fronen away to help Enweil and give free passage to Ar Agyr to march against Enweil. Pretty much what OO said. Ofcourse AA is ready to have fight too. We aint able to beat Fronen... for now, but atleast we will tie up some of their forces and reduce pressure on Rio side.
-jaune
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57 000 + 28 000 + 15 000 = 100 000 CS
vs
10 000 CS
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Thats music to my ears :)
Enweil is finally going to get wiped off from map! :)
But gotta admit, not much of a fight here. Were hoping to see Nothoi jumping in and thus causing wider conflict.
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Hope you enjoy the starvation.
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We gave Rines a tummy tuck so now we can feed Fheuv. :P
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Meanwhile the Enweilian slave-people suffer the harsh rule of their new Thalmar overlords!
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57 000 + 28 000 + 15 000 = 100 000 CS
vs
10 000 CS
Lol. 100k cs? I thought u only exaggerate IC which is fun to have. Didn't know OOC too. Haha.
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Actually its roughly true....if you count all militias: 10k against 100k.
Still, think of it this way: Guillaume managed to aggravate, betray, shortchange and outright lie to enough people that ALL those came to kill him. I (as player) think that if Guillaume would not have rejoined Enweil then it would have had a good chance of survival. With him as de-facto Enweils leader...very little. My char Sassan is having a rage-fit each time Guillaumes name is mentioned...
Note that I as player heartily applaud Guillaumes achievement. There are far to many more-or-less honorable do-gooders (like Sassan) and too few villains.
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Have you ever met a Himoura?
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Actually its roughly true....if you count all militias: 10k against 100k.
Still, think of it this way: Guillaume managed to aggravate, betray, shortchange and outright lie to enough people that ALL those came to kill him. I (as player) think that if Guillaume would not have rejoined Enweil then it would have had a good chance of survival. With him as de-facto Enweils leader...very little. My char Sassan is having a rage-fit each time Guillaumes name is mentioned...
Note that I as player heartily applaud Guillaumes achievement. There are far to many more-or-less honorable do-gooders (like Sassan) and too few villains.
I had honestly forgotten about the betrayal of Melhed, I was clueless as to why the heck they were there. That's how insignificant that treason had been, from my perspective. With hindsight, I should have either not done any harm to Melhed, or done a lot more. The Prince had it right. A small betrayal will piss off as much as a big one, so if you are to betray, you make as well make it bad enough that they can't get revenge. Draining all of Melhed's food might have given Fronen enough of an edge to win. My bad. :/
As for Riombara, they declared war on Enweil when Guillaume was a noble of Melhed. There's really no reason to believe that Riombara would ever stop attacking Enweil. Guillaume might have brought one more enemy to Enweil, but he also managed to make it survive that long despite the odds. Riombara and Enweil had a history that predates Guillaume significantly, and for as long as I've been playing on BT, Rio was always the one to declare war. Hard to take much credit, here.
And Ar Agyr... had little to do with Guillaume. That's just the leader with a 10-year-old vendetta, allying with a realm that did what the realm he is destroying over.
So really, I only take credit for Melhed's involvement. As for the rest of Enweil's defeat, I place that largely on the invasions, which bled Enweil considerably each time, while leaving Riombara stronger each time. Good diplomacy or bad diplomacy would have changed little to this, and there was no way to factor how invasions would turn out and how far-apart they would be while doing the scheming. Might makes right. Had the invasions turned out different, Guillaume would never had had to exile himself (and thus betray Melhed), and he'd be seen as a hero by many, while the history books would have put down Riombara as the villain.
Sure, Guillaume did a ton of mistakes along the way, and ultimately failed in his ambitions, but much of the current events are beyond his doing.
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Good to see the end of Enweil gotta say.
That realm has lost its purpose on the continent. Too weak to do anything.
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About AA, Rio did not participate attacks on AA while monsters and undeads were there. Rio later helped to create Thalmarkin on the previous Ar Agyr lands, which were led by Julma Jaune previous Ar Agyr King. Until Evil Enweiler Duke killed IMMORTAL Julma Jaune, who just had gotten enlightment that he was semi god.
So, mainly OO & AA are at Enweil cause of the crimes before Guillame had even got off from diapers... but like said, murder never gets old and same goes with Genocide(Except genocide of realm which made genocide! :D ).
-jaune
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The whole Chénier saga on BT seems to be approaching a closure. It's been dragging on for a while, and I guess it could still, but little is expected to change between now and then. Inspired me to do a short recap of the key events to it, which explain much of their stances, their relations to others, and how they got to this point.
2006: it all begins. Louis-Joseph and Jean-Olivier migrate to Beluaterra, their homeland being Atamara. They are led there by someone I played another game with, who long ago stopped playing, I don't recall who that was. I bring a few friends with me. Everybody's in Fronen.
A bit later, Louis-Joseph's liege and duke schemes for a monarchist reform. LJ follows his liege, and JO is swayed to monarchist ideology. A rebellion starts and succeeds, then the counter-rebellion succeeds as well. Rebels are cast out. This is where the Chéniers split into two parallel paths for what will be most of their history. LJ goes to Khthon, where the family gets their first title (banker), and eventually follows the call of religion, founding The Blood Cult. Being a newb, he would close down a temple before doing so, not expecting retribution, and his church gets destroyed within a week and he'll be cast out. Meanwhile, Jean-Olivier gets a little nut. After a suicide attack against a neighbor, he leaves for Outer Tilog, only returns to BT a while later to join Fwuvoghor.
In Fwuvoghor, just like in Fronen, there is a monarchist/republican split. Jean-Olivier joins up with the monarchists, who gain a fragile dominance in the realm over the republicans. Fwuvoghor is also a member of the ceded city alliance.
Riombarans are not friendly to the monarchist leaders, and Fwuvoghor is federated with their own seceded realm, Irombrozia. Both factions in Fwuvoghor seek foreign support for their cause. The republicans court the Riombarans, while the monarchists end up with little choice but to go courting Enweil, which Fwuvoghor had betrayed by seceding.
Turmoil in Fwuvoghor increases. Jean-Olivier claims power by rebellion and reforms into an absolute monarchy. His reign is short, however, as he is killed in an insignificant battle with rogues, which allows the republicans to take over and enact their own reforms.
Meanwhile, Louis-Joseph refounded the Blood Cult, and has been spreading it in central and northern BT. Jean-Olivier had not been a part of it, as he was a follower of the Church of Teros, as were almost all monarchists. With the death of Jean-Olivier and the rise of the republicans, The Blood Cult eventually absorbed the Church of Teros, though I do not recall precisely when.
All during which, Riombara regularily threatens Fwuvoghor. While more conceding to republican leaders, there are tensions over ownership of a few rurals just South of the capital. Riombara and her allies had also declared war on Fwuvoghor, but feigned an attack, attacking Enweil instead.
Eventually, Nicolas joins up Fhwughor, with a relatively clean slate (in his mind). He is immediately ostracized by the republicans, despite his attempts for a fresh start, while gaining unsought support from the monarchist remnants. He is eventually swayed to launch a rebellion, but the republicans had been hoarding gold for quite some time, and the rebellion was crushed. Nicolas was forced into exile, without knowing where to go. Enweil, as the main party having kept Riombara in check, had been seen as mildly friendly, or at least not wholly hostile. He contacts them to see if he could go there. He almost didn't get a response, and was seeking alternative escape solutions. Eventually, they ended up accepting him, and so he joined up with them along with a few other monarchists.
By this time, the Blood Cult was actually decently strong. I had recruited a few more friends and some people from IRC, and everyone was pretty active. The Church was controversial, but getting things going, established a good information network and actually managed decent damage when they organized against a common foe. Nicolas and Louis-Joseph were working together, though LJ's objectives were primarily ecclesiastic, while Nicolas's were political.
When Nicolas joined up with Enweil, it was a rather inactive realm, without any apparent ambition, and seemed like it had lost its imperialist streak a while ago. Hoping to get revenge against the republicans, and reclaim JO's throne, Nicolas spared no effort to mobilize the nobles back into a more warrior mode and demonize Fwuvoghor. The efforts were mostly unfruitful for a considerable amount of time.
Then another invasion came, during which republican Fwuvoghor used daimons against Avalon (to be fair, monarchist Fwuvoghor, under JO, had done the exact same thing before), which acted as the catalyst for Enweilian intervention. Enweil came to Avalon's defense, and put an end to the conflict. Later, when things calmed, Nicolas was able to convince the realm to punish Fwuvoghor for its crimes against Avalon. They voted for war, and Nicolas, having since become a well-respected military leader, led the attack. Riombara came to defend Fwuvoghor, and declared war on Enweil, but were too late. They were defeated, and Fwuvoghor was annexed. The republicans fled to Hetland, which they had formed strong ties with and were the second greatest opponents to the Blood Cult.
War between Enweil and Riombara raged on, Irombrozia and Avalon joined in, while Alluran sided with Riombara, and significant damage was dealt. The allied forces had even stamped on Rines, with the intent of taking it over, but following the attack sympathy was too low for a CTO, and thus a short-lived colony was attempted in Athol Margos instead (home of the Chénier family since!). In-between these events, Riombara had swayed all of the western realms to come sneak attack Enweil, pretty much, which forced a stalemate until I went on vacation, leaving the realm's military paralyzed and starting a losing streak, forcing Enweil to seek peace with many of the nations that then turned to attack other northern realms.
Some time around there, the Blood Cult started to decline. A lot of leaders had been executed, and the players did not bring new ones back. A bunch of my friends stopped playing BM. Those that remained a while longer became inactive. I deleted LJ when it became clear it was all going nowhere, and created Guillaume, who would take leadership of the Blood Cult, somewhat, for a while.
The the fourth invasion came, and that was the beginning of the end. Mortality was enabled, and Enweil was hit by monsters while the west was hit by daimons and the north by undead. However, the latter two dealt damage in a way that was much more likely to wound, much less likely to kill. Not so for the monsters. 27 Enweilian nobles were killed by the monsters, in a few weeks at most, before mortality was disabled. Enweil never recovered from that blow. Activity and noble count never returned to the levels preceding that loss. I seem to recall only about 5 or so nobles were killed, during the same period, in all of the other realms combined, a few being heroes anyways. This is when Guillaume went to Heen, to beg the daimons to revive Nicolas, who was killed defending Fengen. The daimons said they couldn't. As he preached for The Blood Cult in the desert, he is beat up by angry mobs of daimon worshippers, while mortality was still on. The screen actually said "dead" for many days. When mortality was deactivated, and through what might have been a bug, his status changed back to seriously wounded for another week or two before starting to really heal. He'd end up trying to step up and fill the void left by Nicolas, closing the inactive Blood Cult once and for all.
Meanwhile, Alluran had surrendered to the monsters, who promised to form a new colony for them. Their ruler, Annaej, was even leading monster troops. They all joined Riombara to do so. Enweil had had pretty much all cities attacked and sacked by the daimons. While Riombara's Chamberlain had negotiated a deal with the monsters to spare Riombara. Eventually, they hold a referendum to either join or fight the monsters. 46% of Riombara's nobles vote in favor of siding with the monsters. Failing to get their majority, they just secede to form Meridian Republic instead, and the monsters give them Fwuvoghor. Riombara is then paralyzed, and Meridian Republic strikes Avalon with the monsters, annexing some of their lands and blighting the rest, killing the realm. Meridian Republic feeds its own peasants to increase monster troops, which also keep attacking Enweil, nearly killing the realm on many occasions.
Then, a lame deus ex machina occurs. Three temples of light are created to fight the invaders. They chose "pure" realm, Riombara, who nearly allied with the monsters and helped create a colony for them, Sint, who had openly worshipped the daimons, and Hetland. Enweil's three greatest enemies. And this was chosen, arbitrarily, by a GM who also happened to rule one of these realms: Riombara. Regardless of what Timothy's intents may have been, this pissed off people a lot, making a few of Enweil's players quit, making others less active. It also helped preserved the strength of Enweil's enemies, while Enweil was getting constantly bled.
When the invaders left, Enweil was left without Iato and with Ete blighted, thus had taken a huge hit to its economy, to its noble count, and to its noble activity. Meanwhile, Meridian Republic folded back into Riombara, only the ex-ruler being banned while the others kept their lordships and eventually got government positions of their own in Riombara. Riombara was thus left with more land than before, including the key strategic chokepoint of Fwuvoghor and lands from Alluran and Irombrozia, while also gaining many of their nobles, as well as some nobles from Hetland. Enweil's allies, on the other hand, were either bled as bad as Enweil or, in Avalon's case, wholly destroyed, only some of their nobles joining Enweil, most seeming to have either left the continent or deleted.
Being in a pitiful state, Enweil made overtures of good will towards Riombara. It was instead met with a renewed Riombaran invasion. And again, Riombara somehow managed to play the victim and get allies on its side.
Following the long-held aspiration to form an independant realm, and hoping to be able to achieve more without the restrains of Enweil's traditional resistance to change and initiative, Iato was seceded with most of Enweil's most active nobles. It was hoped that someone in Enweil would finally step up to put things in order, thus increasing the number of active people in the federation. It didn't, and was a huge mistake. Enweil's military performances declined severely, and the defeats got worse and worse.
When news of new invaders came, Guillaume, then Hetman of Fheuv'n, called for global peace. Riombara, being on a winning streak, refused, at least until huge daimon forces started appearing. The daimons offered an ultimatum: serve or die, last to respond will be the first attacked. Enweil being left with a semi-active leader, they ended up last. Guillaume was the first to publicly answer this ultimatum, trying to stay true to his stance against them. In hindsight, this was a mistake. If both Fheuv'n and Enweil hadn't replied, who knows what would have happened? Likely, they'd both have been attacked and it wouldn't have changed much, as that's what happened anyways, but still.
The daimons attacked Enweil, Fheuv'n accepted to end hatred with Sint to allow for a continental alliance. We tried to participate, but, being surrounded by blight and having but a tiny army to fend for ourselves, we kept getting whacked. Looking at records, it was an average of one battle per day against inhumans, mostly rogue undead units, but after Enweil was wholly destroyed and forced into submission, Fheuv'n got hit by huge daimon units repeatedly too. We tried our best to TO as many daimon regions as possible, afraid to get surrounded by blight and blighted ourselves, but were attacked every time we did so, forced into rebuilding our forces completely every time. When we took Fheuvenem from the daimons, they immediately came and blighted Iato. Riombara's ruler and judge, at that time, are nutcases that would eventually be ousted by Riombara. However, while they are there, Riombaran infils and priests continuously harass Fheuv'n. Because of this, and because of Riombara's attack on the Enweilian leftovers forces in Lopa to break Enweil's TO and TO it themselves, Fheuv'n and Riombara were at each other's threats. Then Fheuv'n gets attacked by a large daimon unit, and Riombara says it will come to "aid". Suspecting an invasion, Guillaume tells Riombara to screw off and that war would be declared on them should they be spotted approaching. Riombara comes anyways, without Fheuv'n being made aware of their movements. The daimons end up abandoning their takeover, and disappear into the blight. Just as Riombara arrives close to Fheuv'n, the daimons arrive in Fwuvoghor, taking it over and blighting it while forcing Riombara to retreat. Guillaume had no knowledge of this, and honestly expected that army to attack Fheuvenem, not aid it, but was blamed for it anyways. Later, a daimon priest shows up in Fheuvenem, giving 500 gold to Guillaume for his "good services". The letter is shared, figuring it was better to be transparant and inform the others of the falsehood, while ordering the arrest and execution of the daimon priest, which was then common practice. Miroslav Chénier was there with troops, and as such did the arrest. Marec, who was up till then Guillaume's right hand and judge, failed to make the execution. The gold was used to rebuild the army that had just been destroyed once more in order to go takeover more netherworld regions. But the daimons came back. This time, they didn't just loot, and they took over the regions of all those who supported Guillaume, leaving the votes almost wholly in the hands of Marec and the few who supported him, as all votes were held by lords as representatives. Marec made himself ruler, and turned on Guillaume before the daimons came in to finish the job. Almost all nobles move to friendly realms, namely Enweil, while Marec and two or three others join Riombara. At this point, Guillaume was so pissed off of being betrayed by Marec, who would believe a daimon more than himself or might have actually been collaborating with daimons to get power, that he actually did go out, for the first time, and offered to aid the daimons in order to get his revenge on Marec, but the daimons declined.
Then the blight daimons came, and much of the South was unblighted as the invasion ended. However, each and every one of Enweil's regions had been seriously depopulated by the blight and the looting. The realm was barely holding together, and history repeated itself. Riombara was left larger than ever, Enweil made peace overtures, Riombara went for war anyways. Guillaume, then being Enweil's Supreme Chancellor, went out to Jidington to seek an armistice. Knowing full well that Riombara is a republic where nobles choose according to whatever information its leadership decides to share with them, he sought to speak to as many of their nobles as possible, instead of just a war-mongering ruler who would cherry-pick the words and letters shared. This was largely successful, and after being forced to say a bunch of humiliating half-true admittances of sin and leave Enweil for Riombara, peace was secured. Temporarily... Miroslav, during that time, had left for Nothoi, hoping to start anew. Instead he was banned, captured, and executed.
Because as Guillaume now had access to what was being said in Riombara, it became clear the treaty wasn't worth much. Riombarans were looking for excuses to declare war on Enweil again, and as such Guillaume shared these letters with Enweil's ruler and advised him as to the best ways to proceed to delay and avoid war, to buy a bit more time to rebuild. Eventually I misclicked and sent a report back to Riombara's ruler instead of Enweil's, and was thus banished from Riombara, where Guillaume left for Melhed, not wanting to give Riombara an excuse to attack Enweil.
But the Riombarans got bored, and broke the treaty to attack Enweil, again, anyways. Guillaume was outraged, and tried to mobilize Melhed against them. As Melhed had just lost a great deal of land in their lost war with Thalmarkin, the idea of a colony in Riombaran lands was proposed. The idea gained significant support, but in the end the leadership decided to attack Fronen instead, Enweil's sole remaining ally. Guillaume wanted to part of it, and thus stepped down as banker and switched allegiance of his region to Fronen, before moving back to Enweil. Meanwhile, Nothoi had been swayed to come to Enweil's aid, allowing for the realm to slow Riombara's advances and buy a bit more time. But it was in vain. Riombara had become the continent's most powerful military, while Enweil had but a tiny fraction of the economy, nobles, and activity it once had. Defeat was inevitable. And as the inevitable approached, more and more nobles quite the game, autopaused, or changed realm, further sealing the realm's fate. We dwindled down to four nobles or so, Gabriella, Guillaume, Nhoc, and Marinus. Guillaume tried to reform Enweil in order to give it a new purpose, as it was clear it would never become what it once was. Despite all of the overtures to Marinus, who had been in Enweil for a long time but almost all of it as an adventurer, such as giving him lordships and even voting for him in elections, the latter decided to start protesting Guillaume over anything he said or did, no matter how ridiculous, until he decided to simply do so every turn no matter what. In a 4 noble realm, that meant that Guillaume's prestige was quickly completely drained, preventing him from running for rulership again or even from investing in the city. They decided to try to take a few regions to feed Fheuvenem, as the city was starving, but doing so took away the tax tolerance of 25% to something much lower, which caused serious hits in morale and production while also forcing a tax cut, dramatically reducing the city's income (and Guillaume unable to invest to fix it). Ultimately, this meant that Guillaume couldn't continue to increase militia, which stagnated at about 10000CS, allowing Riombara, Ar Agyr, and Melhed to mop the floor with their combined 20000CS.
And that's mostly it. As you can see, Riombara always went out of its way to be hostile to the Chénier family, no matter what the Chénier family did, and even back when the Chénier were inconsequential nobodies. If Enweil hadn't been !@#$ed over and over by the invasions, and if Riombara hadn't been left stronger and stronger after each one, the current situation would be quite different. In the end, GMs killed Enweil, not Riombara, Ar Agyr, and Melhed. Enweil took on larger coalitions and thrived regardless before. The controversies of the Chénier family, and the strategic mistakes they did, would not have mattered. Even when doing outright human sacrifices, they still managed to get enough supporters to avoid persecution in most realms, save for the few who were hostile to Enweil anyways. Where they resided, Chéniers usually had the majority of realm-mates on their side. They weren't the same kind of villains you find in some other families. They didn't go out of their way to antagonize everyone. Rather, they were mostly chauvinistic. Extremely hostile to those who threaten their nations (or religions), but willing to accept great personal sacrifices for the sake of their peers.
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About AA, Rio did not participate attacks on AA while monsters and undeads were there. Rio later helped to create Thalmarkin on the previous Ar Agyr lands, which were led by Julma Jaune previous Ar Agyr King. Until Evil Enweiler Duke killed IMMORTAL Julma Jaune, who just had gotten enlightment that he was semi god.
So, mainly OO & AA are at Enweil cause of the crimes before Guillame had even got off from diapers... but like said, murder never gets old and same goes with Genocide(Except genocide of realm which made genocide! :D ).
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But Rio participated in attacks on Enweil while daimons were there. So they didn't do it against AA, but they still did the same thing that Enweil is hated for by yourself.
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I would like to point out, though, that BT might actually give us a lesson of caution relating to other continents...
On BT, the continent was blighted more and more as the result of GM actions (over which players had limited control). Theoretically, this should have led to increased densities. But it did not. It just made a whole lot more nobles quit, and a ton more nobles become less active.
The actions being taken with the ice and monsters on other continents is likely to have a similar result. Barca already claimed to be losing nobles because of it. Was Dwilight big and sparsely populated? Sure... but that's always what drove people there to begin with. If you had just copied Atamara again, and placed the exact same realms over, you wouldn't have had the migrations towards this new continent as you had with Dwilight. The large geography was part of the continent's appeal, a continent which, at least until now, had the best ratings for player retention.
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One is always more likely to complain then to cheer on the internet.
People actively expressing their opinion on the forum are more likely doing so because they dislike something.
Also, if your realm is losing nobles(not saying that realms lose nobles to ice necessarily; Fallangard is still gaining more nobles), it is no argument at all to support the assumption that players are leaving.
Maybe they paused and created a new char, or just moved their char somewhere else in the game.
Both examples are a desired effect of these events, to increase overall noble per region density.
I definitely agree that most people seem to dislike it, in fact that would be logical.
Yet it doesn't say if these actions are good or not.
Perhaps in due time it will either improve the general experience of the game or even create a lot of fun int he future thanks to these radical changes.
We don't know if where losing players over this, and if we do, then perhaps we still improve the game with it.
(Call me mad, but i do believe so)
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One is always more likely to complain then to cheer on the internet.
People actively expressing their opinion on the forum are more likely doing so because they dislike something.
Also, if your realm is losing nobles(not saying that realms lose nobles to ice necessarily; Fallangard is still gaining more nobles), it is no argument at all to support the assumption that players are leaving.
Maybe they paused and created a new char, or just moved their char somewhere else in the game.
Both examples are a desired effect of these events, to increase overall noble per region density.
I definitely agree that most people seem to dislike it, in fact that would be logical.
Yet it doesn't say if these actions are good or not.
Perhaps in due time it will either improve the general experience of the game or even create a lot of fun int he future thanks to these radical changes.
We don't know if where losing players over this, and if we do, then perhaps we still improve the game with it.
(Call me mad, but i do believe so)
The result may differ, but there really isn't much reason to believe so. BT's decline, and massive shrinkage, did not alleviate the density problems on BT, nor prevent it elsewhere. There were a lot of cases of people simply autopausing and never coming back. These people aren't recreating a character elsewhere. For the most part, almost none of them came to the forums either. Those who talk about it are usually among the few who remain.
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The changes to BT were rather different than the changes happening to other continents. BT lost cities quite disproportionately, and a large chunk of land was cut right out of the middle of the continent.
Additionally, if you'll recall, another important change happened to BT at the same time: the announcement that there would be no more invasions there. In other words, removing the main draw of BT as an island.
I don't think it's fair to directly compare what happened to BT to what is happening to the EC, FEI, and AT. It is, of course, not impossible that the results will end up being similar, but there's definitely insufficient evidence to claim that it's likely to logically follow.
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The changes to BT were rather different than the changes happening to other continents. BT lost cities quite disproportionately, and a large chunk of land was cut right out of the middle of the continent.
Additionally, if you'll recall, another important change happened to BT at the same time: the announcement that there would be no more invasions there. In other words, removing the main draw of BT as an island.
I don't think it's fair to directly compare what happened to BT to what is happening to the EC, FEI, and AT. It is, of course, not impossible that the results will end up being similar, but there's definitely insufficient evidence to claim that it's likely to logically follow.
I don't really agree. The invasions had lost a lot of their appeal. In the last invasions, some realms were left completely untouched and they went on as if there was no invasion. The third invasion had some novelty at first, and honestly credit is to be given in all of the work they put there, but then activity decreased and GM-led invasions went downhill from there. Lore was inconsistent between invasions. Even intra-invasion, the lore didn't match as some GMs went with a bizarre sci-fi feel that did not correspond to the RP of others within even the same faction. GM leaders went AFK on a regular basis, to be replaced by new leaders that had no idea of the RP of their predecessors. The direction of the invasions felt incredibly rail-roaded, the key to surviving was no longer to fight well, but to manage to be ignored long enough for the others to take the brunt of the damage. Invasions weren't won: again and again, a weird new deus ex machina solution would appear after the invasion had run its course. In the third invasion, monsters and undead just bailed out randomly without any apparent IG actions by any significant portion of the playerbase. Then the daimons just AFKed and people went back to their stuff. Then there was stuff like the temples of light, blight demons which all came out of the blue and which OOC were obviously just thrown there to allow an end to the invasion. The more the invasions progressed, too, the less they left room for new entities. In the early invasions, lots of nations would die, and lots of new nations would rise. In the last invasions, though, nations would usually not leave much room for anything to grow back in their stead, rather the survivors just always got bigger, but as the player base declined, this this not create any additional pressure for positions or secessions. New realms that did occur were mostly just old realms being remade on the same lands.
BT's invasions had appeal, in the start, because they would create large voids where the creation of new political entities was possible. Much like Dwilight's early days, really. Same appeal. An appeal which was lost as the wild lands were claimed on Dwi, but on BT, it wasn't just when it was said there wouldn't be any GM-led invasions anymore, but before that, when the invasions stopped causing major resets and started just destroying two realms or three and smashing a few more while leaving many mostly or totally intact.
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As for defeats of the Chénier family, a great deal of them were the direct result of myself trying to share the power and be conciliating. The defeat of the monarchists in Fwuvoghor? Jean-Olivier could have banned his main opponents, but chose not to. Furthermore, he made one of them banker with the desire to bring everyone together, instead that allowed the republicans to embezzle gold and eventually overthrow the monarchists and throw them out. Louis-Joseph gave up the comforts in Melhed to help others create a colony he had no intent of living in, which left everyone pretty much homeless when the daimon militia took it over. Guillaume created a colony in Iato instead of trying to transform Enweil so as to be able to create a realm with a new flavor and create a different kind of entity on the continent, which led to the division of their forces and ultimately the defeat of both. Guillaume lost control of Fheuv'n when he got betrayed by the man he trusted as his right-hand man, but he never actually needed a right-hand man, it was really just to share positions around. Guillaume lost Enweil again by trying to appease a vocal discontent noble, which instead ended up with him taking advantage of the royal status he earned to protest all the prestige out of Guillaume.
Had I cared just for power and victory, a lot of different choices would have been made, and a lot of their greatest defeats would have been avoided. It was never my desire to hog all of the spotlight: I'm not much of a single-player games person. Always sought challenges with an end result being more interesting for everyone. Even my most controversial characters were team players. Sometimes it was more a religion than a realm, though, or sometimes it was more a foreign realm than the current one (while making this conflict of allegiance obvious through repeated claims of nationality and calls for support of said nation). The betrayals were all either not of their own initiative (such as the first Fronen rebellion) or made explicitly obvious beforehand (such as the betrayal of Melhed).
The loss of Enweil has put an end to that "team", though, and the general shift of mentality and overall lowered noble activity and density means there is no apparent future for the Chénier family on BT. All of the realms grew large, and few, and as such all realms not currently in a war are looking for one and would be able to throw large forces anywhere on the continent. And if wars on BT often tended to even themselves out, this is no longer the case, lopsided battles becoming the standard.
Probably won't be any more Chéniers on BT soon enough.
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Lore was inconsistent between invasions. Even intra-invasion, the lore didn't match as some GMs went with a bizarre sci-fi feel that did not correspond to the RP of others within even the same faction. GM leaders went AFK on a regular basis, to be replaced by new leaders that had no idea of the RP of their predecessors.
Unfortunately, that is true. Several of the GMs quit due to the abuse they were receiving from the player base. Why bother putting in time if they were only going to be reviled for it? The new GMs that picked up didn't have any of the inside info. This is true both between invasions, and and within individual invasions.
I do agree with some of your points, though. Not trashing enough realms left some realms too powerfully intact, thus able to dominate the post-invasion climate.
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Unfortunately, that is true. Several of the GMs quit due to the abuse they were receiving from the player base. Why bother putting in time if they were only going to be reviled for it? The new GMs that picked up didn't have any of the inside info. This is true both between invasions, and and within individual invasions.
I do agree with some of your points, though. Not trashing enough realms left some realms too powerfully intact, thus able to dominate the post-invasion climate.
The trashing of the GMs, imo, came mostly in the fourth invasion, and both inter-invasion periods around it. Not all of it was around specific GMs, either, but a lot was around general mechanics (such as being able to teleport, mortality, the timing, the placement, and so on), and some of the critics were pertinent enough for Tom to step in and say that indeed the GM tools had been abused. They were the target of unjustified criticism as well, but again, I don't recall this being the case during the third invasion up until when undead randomly bailed out and the monsters too pretty much at the same time. Undead were saying something about being betrayed which allowed the daimons to take over their home base in the netherworld, I think, while the monsters claimed we somehow betrayed them and allowed the daimons to go find their homeland and scorch it. Go figure why both factions could take on the daimons pretty well "on-screen" but both be instantly and simultaneously wiped off "off-screen". I can only recall the invasion criticism starting about then, due to this event, but also due to the daimon invaders eventually just AFKing with random bouts of activity.
And whether the criticism about the GMs was justified or not, it was certainly understandable. Everything about the invaders was arbitrary. How many invaders? How strong? Where are they? Who will they side with? Who will they attack? They obviously were there to attack someone, and thus obviously someone had to be attacked, but it became extremely easy for those unlucky people to feel persecuted. Especially since in the fourth and fifth invasion, the targets seemed a lot more targeted. The fact that players with heavy vested interests in how the invasions turned out were also leading GMs added to the mistrust.
But again, I don't recall any of that negative vibe with the third invasion, which's only faults were the random KOs of two of the faction and the fact that it dragged on forever after it was pretty much over. Might have been the novelty: hard to contradict prior lore, when there wasn't really much lore to contradict, for example. But I do feel like those GMs went out of their way to really interact with a lot of people and in meaningful ways. They didn't just go "cower before me, slaves, bwahahahaha!" They passed themselves as gods to be worshipped, they had players go about to open new portals or close existing ones, they mingled in several player religions, they brought back someone from the dead, they presented rich lore, they collaborated with player endeavors, etc. All of these things by different actors. The story did not appear linear. It did not appear predetermined. It blended in with local lore, with the RP established by the players. The third invasion based itself on what the continent was, and enriched it, while the other invasions just imposed foreign material onto it.
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My memories of the third invasion are kinda fuzzy. That was quite a while ago. I do remember a lot of the story lines kind of fizzled out. Something odd did happen when the undead/monster factions disappeared. I don't think any of us really did figure out what happened there. Some vague claims of being betrayed, or something.
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My memories of the third invasion are kinda fuzzy. That was quite a while ago. I do remember a lot of the story lines kind of fizzled out. Something odd did happen when the undead/monster factions disappeared. I don't think any of us really did figure out what happened there. Some vague claims of being betrayed, or something.
I don't remember the name (I think it began with an A?), but there was a particular Undead NPC who appeared around that time and was warning us of Dire Things if the Daimons got to whatever McGuffin he was wailing about. Then the Daimons, who had been mainly in the northwest, cut a swath of destruction all the way across the continent to Grehk in the southeast, and he wailed that they'd gotten their McGuffin, and everything was doomed.
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Now that you mention it, I do remember the defense of Grehk. Quite the series of battles. Lots of fun.
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I don't remember the name (I think it began with an A?), but there was a particular Undead NPC who appeared around that time and was warning us of Dire Things if the Daimons got to whatever McGuffin he was wailing about. Then the Daimons, who had been mainly in the northwest, cut a swath of destruction all the way across the continent to Grehk in the southeast, and he wailed that they'd gotten their McGuffin, and everything was doomed.
Yes, there was some of this.
Then the undead crawled back to Fwuvoghor, their last stand being against the daimons there to help king Jean-Olivier free the capital from the takeover.
It all seemed rather precipitated, though, compared to the pace of the invasion up until then.
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Melhed needed someone to continue the momentum and Guillaume was always gonna be our next target with his betrayal. But you were right, small or big, people are always going to remember these things. Regardless of whether Guillaume intend to bring so much hatred to him, he does seem a bit offensive and people do want to get rid of him, which is actually good for the game. I almost intended to do the same until Queen Maya decided to handover the throne to me directly in Melhed. But now we have another character which we hope would spur up something. And Melhed will certainly be in the fold, so keep a lookout.
We were actually mostly hoping Nothoi would jump into Enweil's defense actually, but i guess the stupid sudden infestation by GM ruined it. Yes, i know it is harsh, but i do not see the point. If the GM is planning for something for BT, then let it come. These sporadic infestation only goes to ruin whatever politics we tried to create. How else can we explain Nothoi is not pissed we trumping over their lands eventho they clearly are not happy with it? I was even hoping Fronen would backstab on us when we were away if Nothoi joins in the fight. That all did not happen because of the sudden massive infestation....
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We were actually mostly hoping Nothoi would jump into Enweil's defense actually, but i guess the stupid sudden infestation by GM ruined it. Yes, i know it is harsh, but i do not see the point. If the GM is planning for something for BT, then let it come. These sporadic infestation only goes to ruin whatever politics we tried to create. How else can we explain Nothoi is not pissed we trumping over their lands eventho they clearly are not happy with it? I was even hoping Fronen would backstab on us when we were away if Nothoi joins in the fight. That all did not happen because of the sudden massive infestation....
I am rather sure there is no special infestation but that there was a bug preventing spawns for a while so when it was finally fixed they had all built up quite a bit. Should be back to normal soon enough.
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Enweil didn't have anything to offer as a realm and ally, thus justifying any sacrifices for its sake is hard. Intervening would also paint Nothoi as the target for the next gang bang, which was clearly what the invaders wanted. It wasn't just the rogues, though that played a part in it, it's mostly the fact that the battle was lopsided to begin with and there was no point in getting involved.
As for the RP removal... really? How is posting it elsewhere with a link here any different? I wasn't sharing someone else's letter. Or really a letter at all. It's just a character death RP...
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After decades of running after their dreaded arch-nemesis, they finally cull the last of the Chéniers, and... nothing. No RP. No letters. How underwhelming.
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Well. I guess most people don't remember or weren't around for that.
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Will write something up today - got buried by easter holidays. Cheniers end certainly deserves an RP!
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Wait, is Guillaume dead???
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Chenier quit the game.
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Or game quit the Chenier :P
But i'm sure, when we last expect, they'll be back :)
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Awww. <3 Chenier.
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Machiavel's vacation-paused for the max three weeks, 'cause cold storage is just balls (kicked out of every guild he's part of, really? that alone would make me want to delete him). The rest of my characters have indeed been deleted, and I don't play any right now.
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Chenier quit the game.
Well thats just un incredible shame to the game :/
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Personally I dont like this at all.
Either IG posts are ok or they are not. Posting them from a newspaper, RP board or whatever shouldnt change it. Giving a 1 sec click away should change it either. If it spoils the game, remove it. If it gives proper context to the game which doesnt spoil the game, let it be.
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Personally I dont like this at all.
Either IG posts are ok or they are not. Posting them from a newspaper, RP board or whatever shouldnt change it. Giving a 1 sec click away should change it either. If it spoils the game, remove it. If it gives proper context to the game which doesnt spoil the game, let it be.
Roleplays in the roleplay board are the only allowed IG posts currently on the forum. Newspapers or anything else on the wiki is IC.
Forums are OOC and thus no IG posts are allowed with the exception of roleplays to prevent people trying to give away information OOC and/or affect people through OOC means.