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Dwilight / Re: The Great Dwilight War

« on: June 27, 2013, 12:31:17 PM »

Yes, nothing wrong with beeing honest. Astrum did take Vyanar and Wallershire from us in a previous war. I think its very fitting to use "reconquest" as a Casus bellis, since Asylon dont fight over religion.

Almost ironically, I think Asylon's reason for war is the most legitimate one that has been declared so far. It beats the hell out of "I'm consolidating my independent power" from Leopold and whatever the hell Morek is trying to sell.

That said, as a player, I am greatly looking forward to this war. As the elected military leader of Astrum, I am not.

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Dwilight / Re: The Great Dwilight War

« on: June 27, 2013, 03:13:41 AM »

As the player of the general of Astrum, I wish somebody would have told me I had over 50,000 CS at my disposal. This war would be a cakewalk if I had known.

Too bad I don't. 

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Magistrates Case Archive / Re: He\'s threatened to have characters fined for inactivity.

« on: May 27, 2013, 01:57:54 PM »

The Ponify addon loves to do mean things to me. You know what? I caught all the bits in the actual quote, I'm going to leave the damned "everypony in your realm" part.

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Magistrates Case Archive / Re: He\'s threatened to have characters fined for inactivity.

« on: May 27, 2013, 01:41:06 PM »

Orders from Magnus Himoura   (15 hours, 45 minutes ago)
Message sent to everypony in your realm (34 recipients)
Sir Julias,

I will not tolerate insubordination, which is what your words are. Speak in a similar tone again, and you shall face punishment.

Since it is not abundantly clear to you, a very basic concept which is taught to young children of noble houses, fines are a means of discipline. Discipline is in place to ensure that undesirable behavior is not repeated. If undesirable behavior is present in a military situation, people die. If it repeats, those guilty need to be adjusted so that the behavior does not continue, costing more lives, and possibly, the war. This is war, you do what you're told, and live with the consequences if you don't. If you would prefer to moan and complain, I'm sure I can find a knitting circle in Masahakon to assign you to instead of the army. My predecessor died on these fields, died hoping for nothing but a Kindaran victory in this war, and I'll be damned if I don't see to that happening, and the whining of a couple nobles who don't like hearing that they have to follow orders.

I sincerely do not want to fine anyone. I want everyone to do their jobs without me having to bang my head against the wall and deal with your constant bemoaning of good military order. But, if I do not see another way to ensure that good military order is enforced, I will have fines levied. That gold could be put to better use in the pockets of a noble who contributes to the war effort. I also assure you that it is an easy matter to see who supports the takeover or not.

Lords,

Put your vassals in line.

Sir Magnus Himoura
Commander of Kindara
Count of Edairn

Orders from Magnus Himoura   (15 hours, 44 minutes ago)
Message sent to everypony in your realm (34 recipients)
Henceforth,

All nobles of Kindara are required to send me a copy of their report after taking action to support the takeover.


Good day,

Sir Magnus Himoura
Commander of Kindara
Count of Edairn

For reference, both of these messages were sent before any OOC discussion had taken place.

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Magistrates Case Archive / Re: He\'s threatened to have characters fined for inactivity.

« on: May 27, 2013, 12:50:41 PM »

There were a number of in-character messages shared between nobles between the first order given and the explanations that were provided. In fact, it was almost five hours between the two, during which (I believe) 15 letters and RP messages were shared. Before and after the clarification, there was an amount of OOC discussion on the topic as well. I believe it was somewhat well understood that, by the time Stabbity felt the need to explain himself, his character's orders were not taken well.

EDIT: For a specific example, this message was sent by one player precisely 12 minutes before Stabbity's first OOC message attempting to explain himself:

Out-of-Character from Alma Aeterdust   (11 hours, 46 minutes ago)
Message sent to everypony in your realm (34 recipients)
Also, fining people for not logging in is in fact in violation of our inalienable rights, as far as I know. And I can really see this situation going that way, not necessarily, but quite possibly...

Raluca Borozan

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Magistrates Case Archive / Re: He\'s threatened to have characters fined for inactivity.

« on: May 27, 2013, 08:10:26 AM »

More relevant would be this case.
Let me also quote the final verdict.

A verdict has been reached, and IG Magistrate actions have been made. For anybody who desires to cite this case in the future, the final verdict was:

"It is never acceptable to order, request, or suggest the violation of Inalienable Rights. This is especially important about the right to play at your own pace. No player should ever be threatened with punishment because they fail to make daily reports. Moreover, it is especially important to note that it is a violation of inalienable rights even if no punishment is given: sending messages that violate Inalienable Rights is a punishable action.

Given that no punishments were actually handed out, and given that the player of Balewin clearly had no malicious intent, and given that the player of Balewin evidently understands that he overstepped his bounds, the Magistrates will only give a warning this time."

Magistrates voted 8-0 in favor of a warning with no lock as the proper response.

It should be noted that, in addition to demanding that each noble support the takeover on a twice-a-day basis, your character also demanded that reports be included of their work. That's two reports a day, which coincided very well with my example. On a side note, reading previous cases is a very fascinating experience.

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Magistrates Case Archive / Re: He\'s threatened to have characters fined for inactivity.

« on: May 27, 2013, 07:08:12 AM »

The fact that nobody is being fined yet is the reason for which I am not requesting that any disciplinary action be taken. Again, this argument is about whether or not you can do what Magnus has threatened to do. Although you may have explained his actions, he has not yet withdrawn his threat, and just because you say that he would not be fining characters for inactivity does not make it true. As I recall, the harshest punishments are said to be reserved for players who attempt to "weasel around" the inalienable rights.

Penchant, what I got from his explanations is essentially "I'll fine you, but then I might un-fine you if I like your explanation." To quote Stabbity's second OOC message, "If there is ever an incident where Magnus pushes for punishment on somepony, and they shoot me an OOC note saying "hay I haven't been on because of xyz" I'll let it slide." The implication that I am receiving is not that there is an overwhelming desire to defend the IRs, but rather that Stabbity does not see what his character threatened to do as a breach of them in the first place and that only by the generous grace of Stabbity will some poor character be saved from monetary discipline. I'm not expecting Stabbity to agree with me on anything here, really, and that is exactly why I have brought this argument here.

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Magistrates Case Archive / Re: He\'s threatened to have characters fined for inactivity.

« on: May 27, 2013, 06:47:12 AM »

Zach Eubanks here. Thank you, Stabbity, for posting the messages you've sent. For my purposes, only the first will be relevant. The argument is not over Magnus's intention -- I can respect the fact that he would want his orders followed. The argument is over whether or not you can force people to consistently check the game at least every 12 hours, and I am only asking for an answer from somebody who has the authority to settle the argument, not for any disciplinary action to be taken.