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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Nosferatus on May 07, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
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Looking for a land of opportunity? A growing realm with a rich structure full of opportunity and freedom to play, a place that gives you more possibilities to sceme, plot and plan and offers you more space for innovation and ambition for your character than any other realm in battlemaster.
A place to quickly and easily make a career and even play and feel as a King under a united banner.
A place that offers enormous tactical advance and great opportunities to trade.
A place with a direct enemy next door with an extremely rivalling political philosophy.
A place that is in every way different and unique from the rest of the game.
A place with a depthful, vivid, diverse and stable character base of roleplayers.
A place of good and evil, Freedom and tyranny, alot of potential for propaganda and roleplay.
A place where many have made there dreams come true.
A place called Madina!
(yes we need people to play in Madina direly, so badly that anyone who'd start a character there would probably directly get apointed to a position, thus an easy way to make a career, and given the freedom you have as lord under the constitution you already have lots of opportunities more than you'd normally would as a lord.)
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I doubt I would ever play a character in Madina, so long as you have your current "everyone for himself" government style. Not my style of play.
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I could probably get 10-15 nobles to travel south and join Madina... but then that would be a silly thing to do. That and I don't think you want to turn your whole realm over to SA.
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Objectively, Madina has one of the best stable positions on Dwilight. It appears that the only thing bringing it down is on the human side.
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I really do like the position of Madina. The island is nice. Self sufficient and easily defended. Only 2 ways to get there and they both can be walled.
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I'm happy in my D'Hara, thank you! ;D
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Oh, now Madina needs nobles, the anarchistic all for one nation of individuals... Needs more nobles... ;D
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I doubt I would ever play a character in Madina, so long as you have your current "everyone for himself" government style. Not my style of play.
due to the 'crisis' the government is changing somewhat, there will even come a new consitution eventually.
Though the basic philosphy will remain the same.
Every citizen is lord of what he owns.
Artemesia,
Perhaps we should apoint daimons as governors then :P
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due to the 'crisis' the government is changing somewhat, there will even come a new consitution eventually.
Though the basic philosphy will remain the same.
Every citizen is lord of what he owns.
Artemesia,
Perhaps we should apoint daimons as governors then :P
That is actually something you can work out in-game. Talk to my character if you are actually serious about that route. I know you're probably just joking here though.
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I am content with being in Astrum. Sorry :)
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Madina is no longer the big guy on the block, Terran is the beacon of civilization and all of Maroccidens!
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Speaking of a lack of nobles in Madina; after looking at the realms list, it seems like there are less nobles overall. Anyone have stats to compare the amount of nobles now to six months ago?
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I could probably get 10-15 nobles to travel south and join Madina... but then that would be a silly thing to do. That and I don't think you want to turn your whole realm over to SA.
are all those nobles that devoted then?
i think Madina is the perfect realm for mixed cultures, SA would definatley be welcome, especially now all the librero empire rebels are gone and finnaly got there own silly little realm.
Obviosuly as a player i am not looking for any kind of ooc clique in Madina like in Aurvendil or Averoth if that's what you mean.
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Speaking of a lack of nobles in Madina; after looking at the realms list, it seems like there are less nobles overall.
I noticed the same thing, Dwilight is becoming impopular, perhaps we should start advertising the whole continent instead.:P
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are all those nobles that devoted then?
i think Madina is the perfect realm for mixed cultures, SA would definatley be welcome, especially now all the librero empire rebels are gone and finnaly got there own silly little realm.
Obviosuly as a player i am not looking for any kind of ooc clique in Madina like in Aurvendil or Averoth if that's what you mean.
Ordinarily SA would be more than willing to send a mission of a few nobles down south to Madina. However with the currant war the most we can spare is an elder to preach and convert.
We're hardly going to send much needed nobles down south to aid a realm that helped found a league specifically opposed to Sanguis Astroism, and is directly responsible for the war against us!
On another note, I'm suprised that Madina is so bereft of nobles. I would have thought the idea of a realm where Lords pretty much rule themselves would be very appealing to many players (I certainly love the idea although for obvious reason my character dosn't).
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Probably because most of Madina fled to Aurvandil ;)
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Every citizen is lord of what he owns.
Would that include commoners?:p
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We aren't an OOC clique. I'm not really sure why so many people follow Allison. She's not exactly charming.
Allison has a grudge against Madina. You don't want her there. It would only be a matter of time before she tried to turn it into a Theocracy. Rebellion!
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There are many realms I would be playing in if it wasn't for the Dwilight Character Limit.
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There are many realms I would be playing in if it wasn't for the Dwilight Character Limit.
True.
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There are many realms I would be playing in if it wasn't for the Dwilight Character Limit.
Thank the bloodstars its only one character and Advy on Dwilight.
And in reply to Dustole, we like Allison because Allison is a trouble maker and unpredictable, this game is fun not because of its fantastic graphics, its ability to allow us to click on something and wait 8 hours for a result... This game is based purely on player driven drama, one thing that many people in Dwilight don't understand. Without the Allisons/Ironsides/Artemesia and Apasurains... This game would be a dull high fantasy email system. More drama, with more drama we can develop our characters, shape the world and destroy entire kingdoms all with the whims of ones own mind.
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Would that include commoners?:p
Here we go ;D
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I have to agree with you on that one Glaumring. Enemies is what makes Dwilight fun. Friends are good, but enemies make the fun.
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Thank the bloodstars its only one character and Advy on Dwilight.
And in reply to Dustole, we like Allison because Allison is a trouble maker and unpredictable, this game is fun not because of its fantastic graphics, its ability to allow us to click on something and wait 8 hours for a result... This game is based purely on player driven drama, one thing that many people in Dwilight don't understand. Without the Allisons/Ironsides/Artemesia and Apasurains... This game would be a dull high fantasy email system. More drama, with more drama we can develop our characters, shape the world and destroy entire kingdoms all with the whims of ones own mind.
I fully agree, the very essense of bm, what many people sometimes seem to forget!
Here we go ;D
Commoners are not considered citizens, citizens in madina are nobles who are part of the realm and not necesarily aligned to someone.
We aren't an OOC clique. I'm not really sure why so many people follow Allison. She's not exactly charming.
Allison has a grudge against Madina. You don't want her there. It would only be a matter of time before she tried to turn it into a Theocracy. Rebellion!
as stated above, bring on the drama :P
But perhaps your right, besides Astrum needs you too :P
ps why is it that alison holds a grudge against Madina?
The whole league of free nations was set up by the duchy of candiels and Grand Doge Florence, there all part of aurvendil now.
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The whole league of free nations was set up by the duchy of candiels and Grand Doge Florence, there all part of aurvendil now.
I haven't seen this advertised in-game....
ps why is it that alison holds a grudge against Madina?
I would be more worried if Allison didn't hold a grudge against you. That would just be... weird.
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Way back in the day a Madinan infil attacked Allison in Paisly. She was a priestess at the time. She took an oath to defend the church and the priesthood. Your infiltrator signed Madina's death warrant. Fortunately for you, you are are too far away to do much. I had some half cocked plan to attack Madina with infils and traders to try and starve you. Something always seemed to distract me though.
Unfortunately for you, when Caerwyn is pushed out of Golden Farrow, Allison is going to set up home there. Then you won't be too far away. Your days are numbered. It is probably a big number, but you better survive long enough for me to destroy you. You guys better not destroy yourselves and take that satisfaction away from me.
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Why don't I go to Madina?
Because they advertise for nobles on an OOC forum.
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Oh come now, no need to be so uptight about that. Even Darka did an OOC forum recruit on the old community page.
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Why don't I go to Madina?
Because they advertise for nobles on an OOC forum.
It's not like they can ask characters who don't exist yet to join them IG. Unless they're trying to recruit nobles from other realms.
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It remains a game. If Nosferatus can make players excited to join Madina, then they should join Madina. Though IRC I joined my firts realm on Dwilight.
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The only thing I would advise against is OOCly recruiting in another realm/continent. If anything, do it ICly, though I'd imagine that wouldn't go over so well either. I mean, what are you doing trying to get nobles to leave the realm you're in? Either help, or you're dead weight.
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And if Madina's advertisement is effective, guess what?
Other realms will do it. Eventually, new players will start asking, "How should I decide what realm to join?" Other players will say, "Check out the forums, most realms advertise." OOC-advertisement will be the norm on realm-joining. Realms that fail to OOC advertise will have a comparative disadvantage.
Once realms start appointing forum managers, people will start to wake up and smell the roses. But really it shouldn't come to that point. I even felt very dubious about my "ad" for Chesney, but decided it was okay since I wasn't asking people to join Terran or anything. But blatant advertising doesn't seem appropriate.
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And what else of realm advertising would you have? What do we use now? I know that IRC has recruitment draws, though no one is really active in getting people to them.
On the forums, you're not bound to click on that particular thread. You don't have to look at the ad. If your realm doesn't want to employ it, ok, your choice. If you can't...That sucks, huh? Some companies can't advertise either, and they usually fold or merge.
As of now, forum advertising for realms isn't against any rules, but if you think it should be regulated, please make a case for that. I don't think there is any significant disadvantage for two reasons.
1. The actual exposure is relatively low. There are what, about 20 users who log in at any one day? And how many actually do much on the forums? How many new players would even care to use it? If this was something like a Facebook group going "Join Realm X!" then maybe it could get questionable. But otherwise, I don't think that the forum, which happens to be an official part of BM, can't be used as an advertisement vehicle for your realm. I mean, how exactly else do you do it for new players if not pretty much OOCly? They aren't in the game before their first character, after all. And for established players, they can take care of themselves by now.
2. This actually might be of benefit to newer players. Like I said before, they were never in this game prior, so there can be no IC advertisements, heck not even in-game ads. So this can provide a place for lots of people to throw their pitch. However, this can also invite a lot of fighting words and conflicts, so I suppose it's all about propaganda. Only people who are in the realm and/or have a vested interest in actually drawing in players can post. That section could be made clear as "Subjective Content, Read at own risk".
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We're getting a little bit off topic, but I think there SHOULD be a place to advertise your realm in the forum.
I try to look at every single realm on a continent when I'm making a new character. I avoid the ones that have a blank/tiny wiki page. I also try and use the duchy picker to find a realm that needs a knight and that has activity.
If we had an advertising forum, I would definitely look at how the realm is presented, and whether they were represented in the forum, to determine if I would like that realm.
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We're getting a little bit off topic, but I think there SHOULD be a place to advertise your realm in the forum.
I try to look at every single realm on a continent when I'm making a new character. I avoid the ones that have a blank/tiny wiki page. I also try and use the duchy picker to find a realm that needs a knight and that has activity.
If we had an advertising forum, I would definitely look at how the realm is presented, and whether they were represented in the forum, to determine if I would like that realm.
Isn't that what the realm's wiki is used for? A big ad space/archive.
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Vellos,
maybe we can first start to define 'advertisement'?
Topics like 'barca' or 'fissoan verminators guild' are all advertising there realm.
My topic just makes it perfectly clear that it is my actual intention to advertise.
I understand that in the real world commercialism caused exactly what you discribed.
However this is bm, which atracts like minded people and it is a game.
It doesn't work like you say so and even if it did become a hype, people who will despise it will always naturally attract each other in the realm that doesn't advertise.
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I have to agree with you on that one Glaumring. Enemies is what makes Dwilight fun. Friends are good, but enemies make the fun.
D'Hara has plenty of enemies to last us a life-time. It's our own freaking serfs and their big fat bellies. Feeding them alone is a full-time job. Thank god every now and then a region has all its population starve to death and then our demand is more manageable for a few months. ;)
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Also known as the Giask Solution.
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I think where all guilty :P everybody does it in dwilight
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i'd also like to add that Madina has got her own news paper for those interested to keep in touch with it's progress.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Republican_Herald
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I think where all guilty :P everybody does it in dwilight
Fissoa can feed it's peeps just fine :)
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Yeah because your biggest city has like 15 people in it :p
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:-[
;)
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Fissoa can feed it's peeps just fine :)
No kidding, you do a fair job at keeping some of ours well-fed as well.
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No kidding, you do a fair job at keeping some of ours well-fed as well.
And Luria Novia. And Madina (only seldomly).
Our current Banker is inactive though, for as far as I can see.
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And Luria Novia. And Madina (only seldomly).
Our current Banker is inactive though, for as far as I can see.
I messaged him almost a week ago and haven't heard anything. I haven't heard anything from the Duke of Fissoa either.
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I messaged him almost a week ago and haven't heard anything. I haven't heard anything from the Duke of Fissoa either.
they seem quite inactive, had the same problem to, i always have to send 3 letters in a week until they awnser one.
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The Duke has always been inactive. And the Banker is just not doing anything ... Most of the establishment is rather quiet, really. It's been making me consider quitting BM for a while now
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Don't quit! If you don't like the Realm, move on!
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Well, I've heard that before. But Kindara was kind of disappointing too (though with a different character).
Thalmarkin is being good fun though. Even during peacetime stuff happens. No roleplays thus far, though.
So far, I've been in BoM, Assasins, Myern, Fissoa, Kindara, CE and Thalmarkin. Only Fissoa and Thalmarkin had me stay. (Myern was destroyed)
Imho, Dwilight is just by far the most interesting continent (I created an advy there too), seeing how many areas remain unexplored, and monster threats are frequent.
I suppose I should have been in the 4th invasion though, stupid me ;)
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Try Riombara on BT for a decent amount of politicking. From what I hear, at the moment the lords of the rural regions are demanding more money for their food from the Dukes.
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Try Riombara on BT for a decent amount of politicking. From what I hear, at the moment the lords of the rural regions are demanding more money for their food from the Dukes.
Seems interesting. But I'll stay in Thalmarkin for now, I just got appointed VM :P And I sense rebellious nobles...
Honestly, as long as there's some buzz, I don't really care what it is ::)
Thanks for the tip, tough!
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Just leave and go North. :)
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Just leave and go North. :)
North?
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North?
To an SA realm :)
Morek always seemed like fun. If I I wasn't so deeply tied to Astrum, I'd make a character there. Then again, now that dustole plays in Astrum I'm not sure it will be as politically lively as it was in times past. You could always join us in Astrum...
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North?
Why look so far when there is so much so close? ;)
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Try Riombara on BT for a decent amount of politicking. From what I hear, at the moment the lords of the rural regions are demanding more money for their food from the Dukes.
Yes, come to Riombara, the bastioned of modernized anti-Medieval liberal democratic social democracy, complete with nepotism!
Yes!
;)
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Then again, now that dustole plays in Astrum I'm not sure it will be as politically lively as it was in times past. You could always join us in Astrum...
I'm not exactly making Astrum politically lively right now though. Allison needs to eventually form a Colony. She is playing nice in Astrum, keeps relatively quiet so that she gets her chance to found the colony.
So, come to Astrum. Help me form a colony!
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I'll see wether my character gets banished or not :p
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And Luria Novia. And Madina (only seldomly).
Our current Banker is inactive though, for as far as I can see.
I see who I must have crushed, then...
Or maybe I just have to offer a higher price? We want it ALL!
As for more interesting realms... Not any politicking in Enweil right now (kinda happens when you got such a low noble population density), but plenty of battles as our backs are against the blight and rogues keep on attacking.
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What realm are you in, Chénier? LN?
And I know you want it all. That's why I had Skyndarbau commence smal trades with several factions, hoping to tie them to us and one day really heighten the prices ;D
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A trader in Morek has the best chance to make tons of gold in trading. At one point we were losing 100's of bushels a week to rotting because we had so much food laying around. It has been a while since I saw the hard figures, but I would be confident in saying that Morek produces at least 500 bushels a week of surplus food. Morek hasn't had an active trader in a long time.
Also, what happened to Madina? I see they fell into Anarchy. Is this the beginning of the end?
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A trader in Morek has the best chance to make tons of gold in trading. At one point we were losing 100's of bushels a week to rotting because we had so much food laying around. It has been a while since I saw the hard figures, but I would be confident in saying that Morek produces at least 500 bushels a week of surplus food. Morek hasn't had an active trader in a long time.
Also, what happened to Madina? I see they fell into Anarchy. Is this the beginning of the end?
it's a really nasty unwanted bug unfortunately.
Ruler election ended a day earlier than it should, so the election failed and no new ruer was chosen, thus anarchy.
Also many positions are going to different people.
In the worse case, Madina city will turn rogue again in the process...
Which is just annoying.
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Madina better survive. I've put some thought into how I will one day try and destroy that realm. If you guys screw it up and kill yourselves off, thus denying me the pleasure of doing it myself, I will be extremely annoyed.
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You'll have to recreate them in order to destroy them again.
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You'll have to recreate them in order to destroy them again.
Ho ho, where not dead yet!
Madina the oldest actual original realm on the continent and survived every rebellion, secession, war and stagnant governors it had thrown at her and stayed true to it's founding principle.
I am sure we'll survive this one too.
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Ho ho, where not dead yet!
Madina the oldest actual original realm on the continent and survived every rebellion, secession, war and stagnant governors it had thrown at her and stayed true to it's founding principle.
I am sure we'll survive this one too.
It would really be a shame if Madina fell.
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It would really be a shame if Madina fell.
Than what lets you to start playing there? :P
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Than what lets you to start playing there? :P
I'm busy persecuting Skynderbau in Fissoa :P
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Ho ho, where not dead yet!
Madina the oldest actual original realm on the continent and survived every rebellion, secession, war and stagnant governors it had thrown at her and stayed true to it's founding principle.
I am sure we'll survive this one too.
The odds can only get smaller :p
Fissoa produces about twice it's consumption, except in winter. I must say I found it easier when harvests were coming often or rarely (in summer opposed to winter), instead of yielding high or low harvests. But that's okay :P
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What realm are you in, Chénier? LN?
And I know you want it all. That's why I had Skyndarbau commence smal trades with several factions, hoping to tie them to us and one day really heighten the prices ;D
D'Hara.
You know, Machiavel Chénier, duke of Paisly, Prime Minister and Ambassador of D'Hara? :P
Paisly produces the gold, we'll pay.
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D'Hara.
You know, Machiavel Chénier, duke of Paisly, Prime Minister and Ambassador of D'Hara? :P
Paisly produces the gold, we'll pay.
Meh, what a shame the banker won't act. We'll gladly strip you of your money ;)
Never heard of your character, though, sorry. Skyndarbau went to D'Hara once, around the time of Sorsha McDowell's wedding. I really enjoyed that visit :)
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Paisly produces the gold, we'll pay.
I do believe a new knight of Madina is taking Fatmilak's bountiful amount of food up there... I mean, ummm... Fatmilak has no food, the local food merchants are lying...
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Meh, what a shame the banker won't act. We'll gladly strip you of your money ;)
Never heard of your character, though, sorry. Skyndarbau went to D'Hara once, around the time of Sorsha McDowell's wedding. I really enjoyed that visit :)
Our trader, Gornak, does regularly go to your realm. But I guess he could be buying more. ;)
And that's understandable, Machiavel isn't as... hmmm, how to put it...? Attention-drawing as my other characters have mostly been? It's not that he doesn't do anything, though, he's just way less confrontational than I tended to run my characters.
I do believe a new knight of Madina is taking Fatmilak's bountiful amount of food up there... I mean, ummm... Fatmilak has no food, the local food merchants are lying...
Yup, got a message about that. Replied already as well.
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Received that message as well. Send the trader to Paisly. I was certain that Chénier would be interested.
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Our trader, Gornak, does regularly go to your realm. But I guess he could be buying more. ;)
Yes, Skyndarbau met him today. He's not having much luck though, it seems. Seeing the Banker won't help, he needs to travel around every region asking to buy food, apparently.
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Send the trader to Paisly.
Maybe I'm being a bit fussy, but isn't this the kind of thing that should be handled, you know, in game?
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Maybe I'm being a bit fussy, but isn't this the kind of thing that should be handled, you know, in game?
Don't worry, it already had been before this was posted :)
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It still needed mentioning. I don't want people getting the idea that OOC discussions like this, that should really be happening IC, are the right way to handle things.
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It still needed mentioning. I don't want people getting the idea that OOC discussions like this, that should really be happening IC, are the right way to handle things.
Indeed.
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Don't worry, it already had been before this was posted :)
Indeed, my character replied to his before the topic was even brought up on the forums.
I don't consider the forum as being part of the game environment.
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Maybe I'm being a bit fussy, but isn't this the kind of thing that should be handled, you know, in game?
I directed the trader to Paisly, in game.
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some new development in the south: [[Republican Herald]]
doesn't look good for Aurvendil.
Madina got some frustrating days trying to appoint a duke in Madina City.
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Luckily Madina is not biased in this matter at all ;)
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Luckily Madina is not biased in this matter at all ;)
not at all! haha :P
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Luckily Madina is not biased in this matter at all ;)
The Lord of Fatmilak certainly isn't. In fact, he/I have offered to alleviate their food worries with food from the stores of Fatmilak. Just a shame it will bankrupt them in the process :D
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Greetings Sir Solarus. If'n ya be a young man of honour I suggest you find another realm, there is no future for men of honour in Madina. The best and the brightest of Madina don't stay in Madina for long if they hope to move forward in life.
An IC message yes, but it certainly helps reveal why they have so few nobles when their own royal council starts to scare people away!
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An IC message yes, but it certainly helps reveal why they have so few nobles when their own royal council starts to scare people away!
Haha, epic. Send them to Fissoa!
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An IC message yes, but it certainly helps reveal why they have so few nobles when their own royal council starts to scare people away!
hahaha thats really funny, who send that message? Abbot also sent a message to that noble, your playing it?
o wait, you don't have to tell me haha, it's Tarajist!
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You are correct on both parts, Nosferatus. =P
Honestly, that message only encourages my character to stay. Not because he's dishonorable, but because he went there as a missionary to spread his family's traditional Church to Dwilight.
Yes, I made him a missionary.
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some new development in the south: [[Republican Herald]]
doesn't look good for Aurvendil.
Madina got some frustrating days trying to appoint a duke in Madina City.
Actually, Aurvandil is being quite clever.
I believe they are making two bets:
1. Madina will not/can not launch a big attack on them in the near future
2. A powerful rural base is most important to survive the winter
As such, they are clustering food in rural and townsland regions, starving the city, betting that its decreased food demand will allow them to run a food surplus faster. Or they have a generalized food deficit, and they are just prioritizing rurals.
Prioritizing rural development is absolutely necessary in tight food situations. For Aurvandil, they may be trying to "curb demand" for food in advance of the winter, while simultaneously boosting supply. The only major losses to that strategy are:
1. Gold
2. Region loyalty
Candiels is the capital of a small realm with devoted nobles, so loyalty can be maintained readily enough. Gold is a serious issue, so I suspect they're just betting on no long-run large-scale war with Madina.
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Actually, Aurvandil is being quite clever.
They are. Tom has always said that if you choose to starve your rural regions over your city, then you're doing it wrong... If they let their rurals starve, their city will starve in the end regardless. They're making the smart choice.
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I sure hope that's not the Church of Humanity. If it's anything like what it was when it was founded, It's about as far from SMA as a religion can get.
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They are. Tom has always said that if you choose to starve your rural regions over your city, then you're doing it wrong... If they let their rurals starve, their city will starve in the end regardless. They're making the smart choice.
Absolutely. If you starve your rurals, their production will drop to 0%. Who then will feed your city? You'll have locked yourself in a vicious cycle of doom.
In D'Hara, our cities frequently (more or less) starve. However, our townslands and rurals only starved when we were in deep !@#$.
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It is, but the Church isn't like how it was when it was founded. One day I need to pick up the initiative to start tweaking the wiki pages.
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It is, but the Church isn't like how it was when it was founded. One day I need to pick up the initiative to start tweaking the wiki pages.
why did he came alone then?
Will be hard to start a religion on your own.
When you start it just make sure it is not called church of 'humanity', or any other ridiculous name.
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Actually, Aurvandil is being quite clever.
I believe they are making two bets:
1. Madina will not/can not launch a big attack on them in the near future
2. A powerful rural base is most important to survive the winter
As such, they are clustering food in rural and townsland regions, starving the city, betting that its decreased food demand will allow them to run a food surplus faster. Or they have a generalized food deficit, and they are just prioritizing rurals.
Prioritizing rural development is absolutely necessary in tight food situations. For Aurvandil, they may be trying to "curb demand" for food in advance of the winter, while simultaneously boosting supply. The only major losses to that strategy are:
1. Gold
2. Region loyalty
Candiels is the capital of a small realm with devoted nobles, so loyalty can be maintained readily enough. Gold is a serious issue, so I suspect they're just betting on no long-run large-scale war with Madina.
Obviously the news paper is biased.
However I don't think the above sounds that clever, it is rather obvious.
the point is that if they'd planned there secession better or even tried to do it peacefully, they wouldn't be starving...
They could've easily prepared themselves alot better.
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why did he came alone then?
I don't understand. Could you reword that so it makes sense? Does a missionary need armies to convert people?
Will be hard to start a religion on your own.
Perhaps, but the character has already found people interested in the faith. In Madina.
When you start it just make sure it is not called church of 'humanity', or any other ridiculous name.
How is "Church of Humanity" ridiculous when our characters are based in worlds plagued by marauding bands of Undead, Monsters, and Daimons/Demons (not to mention the occasional elf on EC)? If anything, based on the surroundings, it makes perfect sense. Especially when there ARE daimon worshiping cults out there.
While I understand Dwilight is the "Serious Medieval Atmosphere" island/continent, it's still a medieval fantasy environment, so long as there are undead, monsters, and daimons lurking about. Not to mention the wizards that Adventurers can find and the scrolls that enable us to cast magic.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for a BM island based on Europe/the Mediterranean region with bandits instead of undead and rogue mercenary companies instead of monsters... But I don't see that happening any time soon.
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Obviously the news paper is biased.
However I don't think the above sounds that clever, it is rather obvious.
the point is that if they'd planned there secession better or even tried to do it peacefully, they wouldn't be starving...
They could've easily prepared themselves alot better.
Meh, they'll have more food for exports next season.
Good for us. :P
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I love how D'Hara forms an opinion on everyone solely based on how much food they bring in for us ;)
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I don't understand. Could you reword that so it makes sense? Does a missionary need armies to convert people?Perhaps, but the character has already found people interested in the faith. In Madina.
How is "Church of Humanity" ridiculous when our characters are based in worlds plagued by marauding bands of Undead, Monsters, and Daimons/Demons (not to mention the occasional elf on EC)? If anything, based on the surroundings, it makes perfect sense. Especially when there ARE daimon worshiping cults out there.
While I understand Dwilight is the "Serious Medieval Atmosphere" island/continent, it's still a medieval fantasy environment, so long as there are undead, monsters, and daimons lurking about. Not to mention the wizards that Adventurers can find and the scrolls that enable us to cast magic.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for a BM island based on Europe/the Mediterranean region with bandits instead of undead and rogue mercenary companies instead of monsters... But I don't see that happening any time soon.
Your right, however a church of humanity would implicate that there can be churches for animals or plants, or even those horrible creatures.
Or that all humans would be equal beings.
That is ridiculous for a SMA island.
By the way your looking at things you can be always right because this is BM and not the real world, so everything is right because you can't measure it/define it.
SMA can't be exactly defined, there are no exact boundaries and issues like these lay very close to those boundaries.
Is it acceptable or not?
I am not sure if i really know what my personal opinion would be.
Ideally, everything should be possible and the SMA it's self should work in disadvantage to what ever would fall outside it. (for example i start a church for peasants only and the rest of the nobility destroy it at all cost or force it change because it treat's there nobility)
I am not sure if it really works that way (anymore).
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Your right, however a church of humanity would implicate that there can be churches for animals or plants, or even those horrible creatures.
Or that all humans would be equal beings.
That is ridiculous for a SMA island.
That is very shaky logic. We have a Church of the Latter Day Saints. Do we also have a Church of the Earlier Day Saints? Nor does a simple name like Church of Humanity inherently suggest that all humans are ranked equal, any more then the fact that both peasants and nobles can be counted within the faithful.
In fact if you want to get technical the Catholic Church long held the view that all were equal before God, it was just something they never seemed that interested in applying in the mundane world.
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I would say that the final judgment of whether the Church of Humanity is appropriate in the SMA environment depends on what it preaches in the end. The name is quite ambiguous.
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That is because when CoH started, it was a completely ambiguous "religion". It had no true core beliefs. It had no real "god" or divine power. Every noble was free to worship whatever god he wished. Its core tenets were more akin to a knightly order than any actual religion.
Now that I look back on it, it's kind of funny that the religion was formed via a temporary lordship, of the city of Perdan, no less, by a character named "Shallow". Oh, how things were different back then...
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I see nothing against a religion called the "Church of Humanity". The Manifest Path, which I recently founded in PeL, I even briefly considered naming that for good reason. Leaving aside the Tyr-ist sect (oh the joys of religious politics and sacrificing doctrine for power) the Path holds that everything other than humans is pretty much evil and needs to be eradicated and that human civilization needs to be spread to the rest of Dwilight.
Certainly, a religion with no explicit theology or beliefs would be non-SMA, but that's a different story from slamming a religion simply because it is called the Church of Humanity.
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That is very shaky logic. We have a Church of the Latter Day Saints. Do we also have a Church of the Earlier Day Saints? Nor does a simple name like Church of Humanity inherently suggest that all humans are ranked equal, any more then the fact that both peasants and nobles can be counted within the faithful.
I was more playing advocate of the devil here.
I personally believe it's alright and my characters wouldn't have any problems with it, perhaps only think of the name as weird.
We have a Church of the Latter Day Saints, Do we also have a Church of the Earlier Day Saints?
Stating the existence of later days means there are also earlier days and as there are always saints, then yes, if there are later day saints there obviously are earlier day saints :P
the name is just weird because a church would always be human.
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This may be a semantic/language issue...
Church of Humanity follows the same idea as, say, Church of Adghar or Church of Sartan, i.e., "Church of (what we believe in)".
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I'm curious as to how you define that as a "religion", as opposed to an order or something. Religions have generally been defined as an organization to venerate and/or worship a divine being or power, or group of such. I don't see as how the viewpoint of "all non-humans are evil and should be destroyed" quite fits the generally-accepted description of a religion. To whom/what do you pray?
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I'm curious as to how you define that as a "religion", as opposed to an order or something. Religions have generally been defined as an organization to venerate and/or worship a divine being or power, or group of such. I don't see as how the viewpoint of "all non-humans are evil and should be destroyed" quite fits the generally-accepted description of a religion. To whom/what do you pray?
Indeed, I am skeptical of any "religion" that does not worship any divinities, particularly when we are supposed to be on a SMA island.
On that note does anyone know much about the new "Manifest Path" religion that just popped up? I looked on the wiki (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/The_Manifest_Path) and apparently one of their central tenants is that "no faith should be put in anything non-human" which struck me as very anti-SMA considering it was a religion as well as Tom's words regarding atheism (although I suppose it could be debated whether it is atheistic or merely misotheistic). It doesn't seem to even have any kind of spiritual aspect at all, its goal simply to spread civilisation.
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I'm curious as to how you define that as a "religion", as opposed to an order or something. Religions have generally been defined as an organization to venerate and/or worship a divine being or power, or group of such. I don't see as how the viewpoint of "all non-humans are evil and should be destroyed" quite fits the generally-accepted description of a religion. To whom/what do you pray?
What about eastern religions like Buddhism? They don't pray to anyone in particular, though they might venerate particularly enlightened humans or practice ancestor worship. Not SMA? Because I would actually say that SA has distinctly eastern influences - the Stars are not exactly gods (as only rarely are they described as having a conscious will), they are simply inherently divine, much like natural objects or places can be considered to have divine aspects in Shinto. Much of what SA teaches about their influence on the lives of men and the need to balance their influences within oneself is evocative of aspects of Buddhism and Taoism both.
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What about eastern religions like Buddhism? They don't pray to anyone in particular, though they might venerate particularly enlightened humans or practice ancestor worship. Not SMA?
SMA is defined as distinctly European style, and does not include things like eastern philosophical religions, or other non-European models. That's why the Blood Cult never got started on Dwilight. Tom thought it was a good idea, and would even fit the BattleMaster mold in general, but that it was inappropriate for Dwilight as it did not fit his vision of SMA.
Because I would actually say that SA has distinctly eastern influences - the Stars are not exactly gods (as only rarely are they described as having a conscious will), they are simply inherently divine, much like natural objects or places can be considered to have divine aspects in Shinto. Much of what SA teaches about their influence on the lives of men and the need to balance their influences within oneself is evocative of aspects of Buddhism and Taoism both.
Sure. But Sanguis Astroism does have a set of "divine things/beings" to which the adherents pray, and from which they seek guidance.
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It is not atheism. The Manifest Path acknowledges divine or infernal entities exist, as they quite obviously do and there is a great deal of evidence to support that. It just doesn't trust them.
The easiest way I can think of putting it is to think of what the Norse religion would be like if they considered the Aesir and Vanir in the same light as the Jotun. They know they exist, and that they are vastly more powerful than humans, but they don't like them and stand in opposition to them.
And again, this is leaving aside the Tyr-ist sect, which follows the Manifest Path as they believe it is a guide left by Tyr on how to live their lives.
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Sure. But Sanguis Astroism does have a set of "divine things/beings" to which the adherents pray, and from which they seek guidance.
I'm not sure I agree entirely. At a minimum, this is not clear within the belief structure of SA. Certainly people pray to the Stars and venerate them, but they have never been described as constructs that possess a distinct life and will of their own. At best we think of them as a source of wisdom and, occasionally, prophetic revelations about the future. However, unlike traditional Judeo-Christian or even European pagan religions, the entities that are venerated by SA are not personified in any way. They are more like a force of nature, akin to gravity or the changing of seasons. From them we draw wisdom, but are they gods or spirits even? Not really. They're more like the moon, with its changing phases and its supposed effects upon human behavior. If you ask me, SA doesn't have many roots in anything European beyond perhaps a very primitive form of sky-worship.
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What about eastern religions like Buddhism? They don't pray to anyone in particular, though they might venerate particularly enlightened humans or practice ancestor worship. Not SMA? Because I would actually say that SA has distinctly eastern influences - the Stars are not exactly gods (as only rarely are they described as having a conscious will), they are simply inherently divine, much like natural objects or places can be considered to have divine aspects in Shinto. Much of what SA teaches about their influence on the lives of men and the need to balance their influences within oneself is evocative of aspects of Buddhism and Taoism both.
that's why buddhism chinese style or for that matter, japanese style (and presumably just about any style that is for the masses) has tons of big fat half dressed blokes as statues/busts/etc that those idiot peasants pray at. whether you class them as gods or demigods or something more akin to saints is another matter.
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I'm not sure I agree entirely. At a minimum, this is not clear within the belief structure of SA.
Not surprising. SA is so intentionally vague and imprecise, that you can interpret it many different ways.
Still, it contains several things that I feel are required to call yourself a religion:
* A belief in a specific set of supernatural forces/beings. These do not have to be personified "gods". They could be forces that are simply beyond the comprehension of mere mortals.
* A veneration and/or worship of these forces.
* A desire to spread the veneration/worship/influence of these forces.
If you don't have these things, then, IMHO, you're not a religion. That does not mean you're an atheist, or that you don't believe in a god/gods. It just means that you're not an organized religion, within the context of BattleMaster.
But as I said, that's just my opinion. YMMV.
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and we still need more nobles ::)
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Not surprising. SA is so intentionally vague and imprecise, that you can interpret it many different ways.
Still, it contains several things that I feel are required to call yourself a religion:
* A belief in a specific set of supernatural forces/beings. These do not have to be personified "gods". They could be forces that are simply beyond the comprehension of mere mortals.
* A veneration and/or worship of these forces.
* A desire to spread the veneration/worship/influence of these forces.
If you don't have these things, then, IMHO, you're not a religion. That does not mean you're an atheist, or that you don't believe in a god/gods. It just means that you're not an organized religion, within the context of BattleMaster.
But as I said, that's just my opinion. YMMV.
I still think SA is too vague to be a truly authentic religion.
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I still think SA is too vague to be a truly authentic religion.
Study the early Christan movements and then talk about vague. Before the all encompassing Catholic movement got going, they couldn't even agree on the nature of Christ, was he divine or was he not. If he was divine was he also human. Is he the messiah, what do we mean by messiah. Are we still Jewish, or are well called to form a new faith. When we think about religion we tend to think about very large institutionalised religion, the spectrum is much, much larger then that.
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Study the early Christan movements and then talk about vague. Before the all encompassing Catholic movement got going, they couldn't even agree on the nature of Christ, was he divine or was he not. If he was divine was he also human. Is he the messiah, what do we mean by messiah. Are we still Jewish, or are well called to form a new faith. When we think about religion we tend to think about very large institutionalised religion, the spectrum is much, much larger then that.
All true, but that didn't happen in the MA :)
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Study the early Christan movements and then talk about vague. Before the all encompassing Catholic movement got going, they couldn't even agree on the nature of Christ, was he divine or was he not. If he was divine was he also human. Is he the messiah, what do we mean by messiah. Are we still Jewish, or are well called to form a new faith. When we think about religion we tend to think about very large institutionalised religion, the spectrum is much, much larger then that.
They at least has a set of teachings to work with, it was then about filling the gaps.
If you read SA's page, you read about how it's a belief that the stars *can* influence the behavior of people, that X *is said* about them, that they *appear* to be irregular...
I don't see anything resembling medieval western religions...
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All true, but that didn't happen in the MA :)
The point would be that no religion starts out with fully formed teachings, institutions and rituals though.
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They at least has a set of teachings to work with, it was then about filling the gaps.
If you read SA's page, you read about how it's a belief that the stars *can* influence the behavior of people, that X *is said* about them, that they *appear* to be irregular...
I don't see anything resembling medieval western religions...
It certainly does have set of fundamental beliefs and indeed a goal to which all in the religion should aspire to. It is known on no uncertain terms what the Bloodstars do and how they do it, in addition to how we should react to what they do and what purpose this ultimately serves. I'm not sure what you looked at on the wiki but you clearly missed out some pages:
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Sanguis_Astroism/Catechism
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Sanguis_Astroism/Writings (referenced a lot in the Catechism but good to read on its own for extra info)
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Sanguis_Astroism/Charter (the first part which has a simple outline of the beliefs, the rest is just administration stuff)
However I do agree with what you and others have said here that it's beliefs do not resemble a medieval western religion. This is because western religion in general focuses around personal a personal deity/set of deities. All teaching revolve around the desires of such a deity.
SA however has deities which are by nature impersonal; that is their desires are not known to mortals save through prophetic visions of which there have been only three. the Bloodstars act more as forces of nature; they influence our lives on a daily basis and so we seek to gain harmony with them through meditation and balancing their influences. However we have no indication that they desire us to attain this balance and harmony, it is merely considered natural for us to attempt to do so considering the importance of their influence as well as the fact that the human is considered to mirror the Bloodstars in the three-way divide between body, mind and soul.
So in that way SA is and will never be like any Medieval Western Religion however it certainly has divine powers, divine influences in our daily lives and a spiritual goal enough that I would classify it as an "authentic religion". In fact I would argue it is more of an "authentic religion" than many others in BM because it has a goal which a believer is supposed to strive to achieve during life as nearly all major religions do today, whereas many other BM religions simply has a "these are the gods, go and worship them and you don't need to do much else" mentality, with believers having little else to do save offer sacrifices.
The question I suppose is how far we want religions on an SMA island to resemble the religions of Western Medieval Europe or not. I would argue that no religion on Dwilight truly resembles a medieval western religion.
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There is honestly more intrigue, more goal and more roleplay involved in SA than any other religion my characters have been involved with. Its actually very interesting and kinda set up like a Holy roman empire type entity.
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There is honestly more intrigue, more goal and more roleplay involved in SA than any other religion my characters have been involved with. Its actually very interesting and kinda set up like a Holy roman empire type entity.
I agree, SA is a great sucsses and offers alot of environment to the continent.
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Ahh once VE is wiped out, can we get back to infighting and skullduggery again against our fellow faithful? This unity is starting to chafe even on me, I can imagine Allison is frothing at the mouth but holding it in with a rag tied around her face. Lol
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I think Allison is far more interested in persecuting non-believers than scheming against her rivals within the Church, although it's never wise to completely trust her ;)
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I think Allison is far more interested in persecuting non-believers than scheming against her rivals within the Church, although it's never wise to completely trust her ;)
If she could scare the 'non-believers' into Madina direction I'll be gratefull 8)
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It is much more fun to kill unbelievers. When Allison can't do that her aggression shifts to other targets. I like the comparison of Sanguis Astroism to the Holy Roman Empire. There is a lot of infighting. It seems that at one point or another every realm with a major SA following has been at war with each other. The biggest threat to the church is from the inside. There are a lot of nobles in SA and that is a lot of scheming and planning. It keeps Dwilight interesting.
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If she could scare the 'non-believers' into Madina direction I'll be gratefull 8)
I hear rumours, OOC only so far, that Madina has welcomed a priest of Sanguis Astroism to preach within their borders. Perhaps the Light of the Bloodstars has reached to the very southern extremes of the island. Perhaps the secret Madinan Expeditionary Force that is marching north is not coming to rescue Caerwyn at all, but to attack them from the south? :o
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Perhaps the secret Madinan Expeditionary Force that is marching north is not coming to rescue Caerwyn at all, but to attack them from the south? :o
What secret expedition? :P must be really secret! i don't see any noble traveling towards any SA realm, tell em all about it!
and yeah a priest of SA visited Madina city and helped abbot calm the populance there, however hes extremely against any form of totalitarianism.
He wishes to see a versatile Madina city/duchy with different cultures.
Any one is welcome to preach, why would SA not be welcome?
There not some weird daimon worshipers or sea creature worshiping, I mean there weird alright, but not THAT weird.
A war in Madina is not necessarily a war like usual realms, this war against Astrum and friends is declared by request of Mendicant, who was still governor then.
So it's more Candiels who declared war, they also saw SA as evil, many people support3ed him, including Abbot for they saw the advantage of public attention in this way.
By belonging to the league of free nations people could assume that Madina was a good place to go after failing the war.
Yes, Abbot gambled the league to loose from the beginning, which is good for possible noble immigration :P
If it woudn't lose it would still be in Madinas advantage, so it was an obvious choice to make.
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Let's say that catching nobles was more or less the evident reason of Madina's alliance with Averoth. I don't think anyone reasonable expected to see an army of Madina going after Astrum.
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ow and by the way, does anyone have some great ideas for creatively executing King Mendicant.
One suggestion at a time please! :P
I've got a few ideas, but we all got creat 'vivid' fantasy as BM players, so burn it loose.
As Abbot is very extreme, it has to be very horrible.
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What secret expedition? :P must be really secret!
Must be, I haven't heard a word about it from anyone! :D
Any one is welcome to preach, why would SA not be welcome?
Well, to be honest, there was that whole war declaration thingy. But that's such a small matter, I can't see as how anyone would let it stop them. ;)
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Must be, I haven't heard a word about it from anyone! :D
Well, to be honest, there was that whole war declaration thingy. But that's such a small matter, I can't see as how anyone would let it stop them. ;)
yeah and besides, the war declaration was against realms, not a religion.
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The original Averoth/Caerwyn war declaration was definitely religious in nature. And since then, Caerwyn and Averoth have gone on to continue to make religion a quite prominent in the war. Caerwyn's ruler even went so far as to say he is using religion to prosecute the war. (I believe it was something like "we're using religion to prosecute a secular war".) And since Madina is part of the League, it's guilt by association. Madina voluntarily stepped up and stood in line with these two, so don't be surprised when you're identified right along with them.
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Madina voluntarily stepped up and stood in line with these two, so don't be surprised when you're identified right along with them.
Don't you worry, i don't. :P
Madina is bound to be minsunderstood.
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You obviously didn't see Prime Minister Florence's declaration of war, the one she announced in the Ruler's channel. It was definitely not aimed at a particular realm so much as it was at all of SA. It was *militant*. The prevailing impression in SA is that Madina is as rabidly anti-SA as Averoth was, if not even more so due to the fact that their history of antagonism toward SA goes even further back in time.
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You obviously didn't see Prime Minister Florence's declaration of war, the one she announced in the Ruler's channel. It was definitely not aimed at a particular realm so much as it was at all of SA. It was *militant*. The prevailing impression in SA is that Madina is as rabidly anti-SA as Averoth was, if not even more so due to the fact that their history of antagonism toward SA goes even further back in time.
Geuss where Florence is now?
Madina is a banded bunch of individualists, they all have a different opinion on these things.
Some believe Florence always acted in full cooperation with the Libero rebels that rule(ed) over Candiels, who are militantly anti SA in fact.
Or better to say militantly against everything.
I bet if you pour there guts al over the streets they still won't surrender, even if you'd feed them.
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From the outside we don't see that lack of cohesion. All anyone in SA is going to remember for years to come is Prime Minister Florence's screed (which I obligingly shared with the Church at large) and the assassination attempt from years back on Allison Kabrinski. I would assume though that Madina has little interest in what SA thinks of it.
Be careful about Aurvandil. They sound a lot like the Averothians and Saxons. If they have contacts or allies among those groups, you may wake up tomorrow to discover that they suddenly have 40 nobles and seemingly limitless supplies of gold ;)
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I'd say that in Madina's anarchistic system, if the ruler could make such a speech without anyone hearing counter-voices from within, it made it sound as if the feeling was unanimous in the realm.
That's how I saw it, at least. A strong ruler can impose a minority will on the majority. You wouldn't assume a weak ruler to be able to push a minority position so strongly without hearing anything about the dissidents.
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I'd say that in Madina's anarchistic system,
Madina can be total anarchy, in the future we hopefully have 3 powerful dukes, the Grand Doge and the Lord Admiral all screeming and yelling against each other. That in combination with druken sailors in every port, landed lords only looking for own profit it's the perfect mix of backstabbing, sceeming, plotting and anarchy. Just like Madina should be ;D
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Madina can be total anarchy, in the future we hopefully have 3 powerful dukes, the Grand Doge and the Lord Admiral all screeming and yelling against each other. That in combination with druken sailors in every port, landed lords only looking for own profit it's the perfect mix of backstabbing, sceeming, plotting and anarchy. Just like Madina should be ;D
So basically, you want to be Pian en Luries? 8)
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Madina can be total anarchy, in the future we hopefully have 3 powerful dukes, the Grand Doge and the Lord Admiral all screeming and yelling against each other. That in combination with druken sailors in every port, landed lords only looking for own profit it's the perfect mix of backstabbing, sceeming, plotting and anarchy. Just like Madina should be ;D
I totally wouldn't count on it, though, unless by future you mean 10 years following a miracle that reversed the decline of the player base.
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So basically, you want to be Pian en Luries? 8)
Is that still going on in Pian en Luries?
(Oh, and get a real banner. ;))
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Is that still going on in Pian en Luries?
(Oh, and get a real banner. ;))
You think we are going to let a small thing like ousting the Queen and losing half our realm get in the way of our private feuds and plots? We are nobles good sir, we have a natural talent at ignoring anything that doesn't fit into our plans.
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Well, I guess that the current geographical location does not provide you with other things to occupy the mind. ??? Enough time for your feuds and plots.
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[Scribe:158652|a884ba245f83d34c] Battle in Candiels fresh
The fun goes on, what a slauther
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[Scribe:158652|a884ba245f83d34c] Battle in Candiels fresh
The fun goes on, what a slauther
how the hell are we supposed to see that?
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copy/paste that into any letter while logged into your Dwilight character. Then click the preview button on the message. You can then click the link.
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[Scribe:158652|a884ba245f83d34c] Battle in Candiels fresh
The fun goes on, what a slauther
Was Templars (19) supposed to deploy in the front? I can see how his sacrifice worked out great.
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Was Templars (19) supposed to deploy in the front? I can see how his sacrifice worked out great.
Nope, somebody is getting keelhauled for not following commands, no matter if it had a good impact on the outcome of the battle ^^
But yeah, it was a slaughter...again
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Was Templars (19) supposed to deploy in the front? I can see how his sacrifice worked out great.
it really did, i underestimated this strategy, next time we might use it on purpose.
And Laurens, no need for keelhauling yet :P
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I think it was the quality of troops that had the biggest effect.
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Just joined Madina after seeing this thread. What, if any, are the plans for Madinas future? And what about its very public war on SA?
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Just joined Madina after seeing this thread. What, if any, are the plans for Madinas future? And what about its very public war on SA?
Ask Madina, nobody else can tell you what they plan on doing, especially now that they were kicked out of Aurvandil.
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Ask Madina, nobody else can tell you what they plan on doing, especially now that they were kicked out of Aurvandil.
news spreads fast, yes where refiting, there still doomed thou.
future of Madina all depends on amount of nobles, there are things that could happen, but they would happen only with the right amount of nobles.
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future of Madina all depends on amount of nobles, there are things that could happen, but they would happen only with the right amount of nobles.
Welcome to BattleMaster.
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So what is the religious situation of Madina?
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Ask Madina, nobody else can tell you what they plan on doing, especially now that they were kicked out of Aurvandil.
yeah about that....Mendicant brought in Merlin or something because after being defeated 4 times in a row, they suddenly got the walls again :-X
lolz
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The Duke probably drafted militia. That gets them the walls back and can be done easily if the city isn't being actively taken over.
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The Duke probably drafted militia. That gets them the walls back and can be done easily if the city isn't being actively taken over.
I understand how the coding works, but I think it's ridiculous that after a city has been attacked, the walls claimed, 4 battles fought and won that by drafting militia the defenders get the walls again. But that's just my opinion 8)
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I understand how the coding works, but I think it's ridiculous that after a city has been attacked, the walls claimed, 4 battles fought and won that by drafting militia the defenders get the walls again. But that's just my opinion 8)
Tim (one of the coders) and I agree, and we've discussed a couple of options for making walls be handled more sensibly. Unfortunately coding a better way of handling it is nigh-impossible with the current code and will need to be done as part of an overhaul on how combat in regions works. As usual, that means an ETA of "nobody knows". Takeovers will stop anyone from getting the walls, though.
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So what is the religious situation of Madina?
You can read alot in the library of Madina, [[Madina/Library]]\Basicly, everyone decides for there own.
The library describes the local folklore and paganism, but there is also estianism, verdis elementum and hopefuly one day also SA. I also heard someone will be re founding the church of Humanity on Madina.
It's system is perfect for religious orders to go spread and flourish, it gives all the room for it.
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and hopefuly one day also SA.
If that ever happens, expect Fissoa on your doorstep :p
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If that ever happens, expect Fissoa on your doorstep :p
I wouldn't worry about that, Fissoa can barely defend their borders...
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I wouldn't worry about that, Fissoa can barely defend their borders...
SNAP!
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Luria Novia is pretty busy with rogues herself, or that's what I heard :)
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Luria Novia is pretty busy with rogues herself, or that's what I heard :)
If Fissoa still has the army capabilities when I was Grand Duke, we could leave the peasants to defend our lands. lol :P
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If that ever happens, expect Fissoa on your doorstep :p
I geuss thats someting we should already expect, as Fissoa has clearly shown not even a single bit of care for Madina, Phonos has been very very cold and outright lied towards the Republic on sending forces to help Madina defeat the rogues.
They where simply stalling, in the hopes Madina would either fail or suceed her self.
I think there betting Madina to loose the civil war so they can take Madina isle.
So much for Madinas closest 'ally'.
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Haha, no :) we're not stalling: we have our hands full. Plus we won't go West as long as the East is still a liability...
And: we support Madina, but not it's new government. We don't like Abbot very much :)
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Haha, no :) we're not stalling: we have our hands full. Plus we won't go West as long as the East is still a liability...
And: we support Madina, but not it's new government. We don't like Abbot very much :)
Maybe Luan should return to Fissoa and reclaim the position as Grand Duke, which is his birthright :P
I tried to make a RP for that when Madina was in Fissoa to support them against the monster attacks, but I was complety ignored ..... -_-
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And: we support Madina, but not it's new government. We don't like Abbot very much :)
I guess Halicos should run for General again. There was a pretty good relationship between him and one of Fissoa's Generals.
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I didn't get anything, else I would have certainly joined in!
And Grand Dukes are something of the past. If not for Phonos, Eldrond and Mkhai, nobody would remember them. We have a Regent now :)
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news spreads fast, yes where refiting, there still doomed thou.
future of Madina all depends on amount of nobles, there are things that could happen, but they would happen only with the right amount of nobles.
Refitting is likely to be Madina's last action in this war, if they want to survive, as its neighbours are imposing mediation and threatening to attack if Madina doesn't accept a cease-fire between itself and Aurvandil.
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I didn't get anything, else I would have certainly joined in!
And Grand Dukes are something of the past. If not for Phonos, Eldrond and Mkhai, nobody would remember them. We have a Regent now :)
A regent, from the Latin regens, "[one] reigning", or regency council is a person or group of persons selected to act as head of state because the ruler is a minor, not present, or debilitated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regent...
Fissoa here I come...again :P lol
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Luria Novia is pretty busy with rogues herself, or that's what I heard :)
Maybe that's what we want you to think ;)
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A regent, from the Latin regens, "[one] reigning", or regency council is a person or group of persons selected to act as head of state because the ruler is a minor, not present, or debilitated http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regent...
Fissoa here I come...again :P lol
So how will you ever prove your legitimacy to the throne? :) Why do you even think for yourself it's legit?
Anyways, my character is supporting Phonos, no matter what :P
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So how will you ever prove your legitimacy to the throne? :) Why do you even think for yourself it's legit?
Anyways, my character is supporting Phonos, no matter what :P
The first born son of the dead Grand Duke should be enough of a reason to claim rulership. Not that I think I could bang on Fissoa's door saying "thanks for watching my hood Phonos, but the dog is taking back his garden." ^_^
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That gives you a claim to the throne. Alwasy makes up for interesting RP if someone tries to claim a the throne through the hereditary rule.
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That gives you a claim to the throne. Alwasy makes up for interesting RP if someone tries to claim a the throne through the hereditary rule.
yeah but the point is that leon betrayed his realm just before getting killed in a duel with one of his realm mates.
Another thing, how does it come it's so hard to exchange letters with lurians and fissoans?
They barley reply, and if they do, they reply only on parts of the message.
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yeah but the point is that leon betrayed his realm just before getting killed in a duel with one of his realm mates.
Another thing, how does it come it's so hard to exchange letters with lurians and fissoans?
They barley reply, and if they do, they reply only on parts of the message.
Wouldn't that imply they simply have little interest in communicating with you?
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Hahaha, your the son of Leon? If you show your face around Fissoa, ,you'll be hung, no matter how royal your blood is :D
Leon is the guy that promised Alanna Fissoa would become a vassal state of PeL. He gave up Irvington. Both without consulting the Fissoan nobility. He kind of sparked the Fissoa-Lurian conflict altogether! :)
And my character has been trying to contact Luria Novia. I still need to check wether Carmelo, LN's banker replied. We'd like friendly relations :)
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yeah but the point is that leon betrayed his realm just before getting killed in a duel with one of his realm mates.
Another thing, how does it come it's so hard to exchange letters with lurians and fissoans?
They barley reply, and if they do, they reply only on parts of the message.
Nobody contacted Shin >:(
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So who /did/ you contact, Lurians?
No reply from Carmelo. I'll try your Ruler (whoever that is)
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Wouldn't that imply they simply have little interest in communicating with you?
Well, perhaps, but others seem to face the same problem.
It feels like loss of interest in the game, as if they don't even try.
I've noticed this with several players.
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Well, perhaps, but others seem to face the same problem.
It feels like loss of interest in the game, as if they don't even try.
I've noticed this with several players.
Yes. I feel like me and Shane 'Shin' Shenron are the only active players in Fissoa. And some adventurers.
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Yes. I feel like me and Shane 'Shin' Shenron are the only active players in Fissoa. And some adventurers.
You can alway join Madina... ;)
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So who /did/ you contact, Lurians?
No reply from Carmelo. I'll try your Ruler (whoever that is)
We tried in the past weeks several times to contact your banker and ruler, we got on reply on tons of letters and that one was not usefull....anyway, seems like the situation is fixed now
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The previous Banker's player was expecting a child (If I recall that right), and IR involved.
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You can alway join Madina... ;)
You should not promote people to join a sinking ship. :D
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You should not promote people to join a sinking ship. :D
Who said anything about sinking... We're just biding our time waiting for the right moment to strike. ;D
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Who said anything about sinking... We're just biding our time waiting for the right moment to strike. ;D
Strike sinkingly? Madina goes submarine, ftw :P
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Strike sinkingly? Madina goes submarine, ftw :P
*Music from jaws plays* :D
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Well, at the moment, the hungry shark Madina is swimming in the wrong waters.
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*Music from jaws plays* :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FC0-0Lyu8
Abbot in his bathtub :P
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5FC0-0Lyu8
Abbot in his bathtub :P
haha, hilarious
I geuss what some of you are refering to now, I just got the news indeed, i geuss we could see that coming.
D'hara needs food direly, shes insanely addicted to buying food.
I am acttually happy to hear this, lets hope it will work out some way...
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Hahaha, your the son of Leon? If you show your face around Fissoa, ,you'll be hung, no matter how royal your blood is :D
Leon is the guy that promised Alanna Fissoa would become a vassal state of PeL. He gave up Irvington. Both without consulting the Fissoan nobility. He kind of sparked the Fissoa-Lurian conflict altogether! :)
And my character has been trying to contact Luria Novia. I still need to check wether Carmelo, LN's banker replied. We'd like friendly relations :)
Yep, but Leon had a double agenda on that, why do you think he supported to small colony in Shinnen, although in undercover mode and not official. Without Leon there would most likely not even be a Fissoa realm to live in. If he had just known that Alanna would fall and the realm would split, twice! lolz :P
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So what was that agenda actually? You cost us Irvington, perhaps even Myern, and ignited the whole war ...
Thanks for the war, though :D
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Funny, Luria Nova came to me a few times for discussions, without my approaching them.
Their council members are generally lame, though, I think.
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Funny, Luria Nova came to me a few times for discussions, without my approaching them.
Their council members are generally lame, though, I think.
I agree, the council members of PeL are MUCH cooler.
So what was that agenda actually? You cost us Irvington, perhaps even Myern, and ignited the whole war ...
Thanks for the war, though :D
You are assuming that the cost of NOT following that path would be less. I think it is safe to say that at the time of the agreement PeL was much stronger then it was when it later marched half of its army through your realm virtually uncontested.
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Sure :) seems like Fissoa values it's principles :P
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Sure :) seems like Fissoa values it's principles :P
And I value your food. :P
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So what was that agenda actually? You cost us Irvington, perhaps even Myern, and ignited the whole war ...
Thanks for the war, though :D
Allana claimed all regions north of Palm Sea, Maraba and Nuas. So Fissoa had nothing to expand too since we controlled almost all the Southern regions already. In a open war at that time, Allana would
have been holding a sweet 16 party in Fissoa in a week or two. So Leon had to do some 'sceeming' with her.
Myern excisted only because of the will of Leon, who do you think supplied the gold and food, who kept Allana of the city of Shinnen which she had claimed, who attacked monster forces in the region to protect the colony. Although in the end, yes Myern did fall.
You should be thanking me on your knees that you can still enjoy Fissoa's riches :P
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Well, you didn't stay around long, after you 'screemed' Alanna did you? (whatever that means :P) I heard you were banned as a traitor?
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Well, you didn't stay around long, after you 'screemed' Alanna did you? (whatever that means :P) I heard you were banned as a traitor?
Killed in a duel for a different reason :P
Sceeming is planning, only in a negative way. Sceeming/planning/plotting against somebody ;)
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I think Shizzle was trying to make a dig at the spelling error/typo of "scheming"...
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I think Shizzle was trying to make a dig at the spelling error/typo of "scheming"...
No I didn't. :) Honestly.
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No I didn't. :) Honestly.
Anyway, that was the history lesson. Now, when are you coming to Madina 8)
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You and all your lovely gold.... ;)
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You and all your lovely gold.... ;)
More importantly, their soldiers! We want our city back! :P
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Maybe we'll just claim it for ourself ;)
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So, now it's time to Hijack this thread back.
Madina is back in the saddle, we need knights and Lords! We have a war going on (sorta), we have a real need for players who want to play Traders as well (with quite a bit of profit to be made as well!).
We have active nobles and a decently established RP setting - seems to me our lethargic state that brought about our decline and the rebellion is done with and things can get interesting again. Especially if we get a few more nobles in line.
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Get in line. Fissoa, D'Hara, Caerwyn(?), Terran(?), ... we all need more nobles. And if we don't need them, we could surely use them!
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Cawerwyn almost has as many nobles as D'Hara, Fissoa, and Madina combined ;)
Each of those 3 could use at least another 4-5 nobles.
Terran is good though - 20 isn't too bad, bout middle of the pack.
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We could use another 15 or 20 nobles in Astrum. :D
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Terran is good though - 20 isn't too bad, bout middle of the pack.
Actually, we could use 3 or 4 more nobles as well. Part of the reason we're having a hard time holding Shoka and Shokalom is (monsters, but also) lack of Knights.
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yeah, sink the east continent, dwilight needs players :p
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yeah, sink the east continent, dwilight needs players :p
+1
LOL ;D
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Any realm claiming they do not need nobles is either lacking in intelligence or ambition >_>
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We just got a great influx of nobles in PeL, why, cause we are JUST THAT AWESOME. Seriously though we just got a influx of brand new nobles that play e-republic together, but tired of that game. Now the challenge is to get them addicted to BM,
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We just got a great influx of nobles in PeL, why, cause we are JUST THAT AWESOME. Seriously though we just got a influx of brand new nobles that play e-republic together, but tired of that game. Now the challenge is to get them addicted to BM,
Nice. Vellos and I both played that game a few years back, before it went down-hill, that is.
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We just got a great influx of nobles in PeL, why, cause we are JUST THAT AWESOME. Seriously though we just got a influx of brand new nobles that play e-republic together, but tired of that game. Now the challenge is to get them addicted to BM,
At least they didn't join LN ::)
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Oh no, they came to LN first, but there were so many we diverted the flow to PeL :P
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Can you see to diverting them over to Madina? We've got some awesome stuff going on and we want you all to join in! :D
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I think this is the most active Madina's been in a while. Now if we could just get a few more nobles to control the whole eastern isle we'd be set.
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Nice. Vellos and I both played that game a few years back, before it went down-hill, that is.
Yep, from the "this is completely free and will only take 15 minutes of your time per day" it went to "log in every 6 hours and start paying RL money or you'll never get anywhere". That is why we decided to migrate.
Can you see to diverting them over to Madina? We've got some awesome stuff going on and we want you all to join in! :D
We are getting people to LN and PeL right now. If you can grant people will get estates and good mentoring, and not just sit around without orders, I'll try to find a community to migrate together into Madina.
The greatest retention problem, in my opinion, is when you don't get to feel the community. A forum or the likes, in where you can interact with the rest of the players, helps making people feel they are part of something.
JPierreD on IRC, first of the eRepublik exiled.
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We can guarantee them Lordships even. We have 4-5 regions that we can hold, we just lack the nobles to take it.
Also, we should have more than enough active nobles to provide mentoring - I'm pretty sure our entire Lords Council (8 players) send messages daily to each other and could help get them involved.
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There's a lot of wealth to be made in D'Hara, too. We just need more knights to be able to reclaim all of the lands long lost to the rogues, and being a rural lord in D'Hara makes one much wealthier than being a rural lord pretty much everywhere else.
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So we are basically buying nobles now? Who can offer the most gold?
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Or titles. Or other things that can woo players to join.
You can only post so many "My family member says their Realm has a need for players
I mean really, it's not like we can offer exciting, constant warfare. . .cause well. unless you consider "exciting and constant" to be fighting off rogues, the South is pretty quiet. Lord your lands, make some gold, and MAYBE fight some rogues while you're at it!
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Others were doing shameless advertising. I figured I may just as well. Paisly sure could use another knight, as most of our regions.
By all means, I'm not saying I'll give 50% of my city away to the next knight, though. If they pick up trade, then they'll have everything they need to become rich. Gold well-earned.
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So we are basically buying nobles now? Who can offer the most gold?
Gold? Pfft.... Any realm can offer you gold. Lordships? Pfft... A dime a dozen.
I can offer you something way better than any of that: An active war against another human realm! A fight between equal sized realms. And it's even on our very own border. With our neighbor! The front line is two regions away from our capital! You don't see that too often on Dwilight. :P
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Yep, from the "this is completely free and will only take 15 minutes of your time per day" it went to "log in every 6 hours and start paying RL money or you'll never get anywhere". That is why we decided to migrate.
Exactly.
Gold? Pfft.... Any realm can offer you gold. Lordships? Pfft... A dime a dozen.
I can offer you something way better than any of that: An active war against another human realm! A fight between equal sized realms. And it's even on our very own border. With our neighbor! The front line is two regions away from our capital! You don't see that too often on Dwilight. :P
LOL. I think he's a got point, yall.
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Gold? Pfft.... Any realm can offer you gold. Lordships? Pfft... A dime a dozen.
I can offer you something way better than any of that: An active war against another human realm! A fight between equal sized realms. And it's even on our very own border. With our neighbor! The front line is two regions away from our capital! You don't see that too often on Dwilight. :P
Actually, it's more like a slaughter fest than a war, we don't do much fighting. Just talking ::)
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Gold? Pfft.... Any realm can offer you gold. Lordships? Pfft... A dime a dozen.
I can offer you something way better than any of that: An active war against another human realm! A fight between equal sized realms. And it's even on our very own border. With our neighbor! The front line is two regions away from our capital! You don't see that too often on Dwilight. :P
I love this quote.
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Gold? Pfft.... Any realm can offer you gold. Lordships? Pfft... A dime a dozen.
I can offer you something way better than any of that: An active war against another human realm! A fight between equal sized realms. And it's even on our very own border. With our neighbor! The front line is two regions away from our capital! You don't see that too often on Dwilight. :P
Well said Vasilif! I have an offer too! I will help you become one of the best swordsman in Dwilight! This offer is limited only one per a family ::)
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Gold? Pfft.... Any realm can offer you gold. Lordships? Pfft... A dime a dozen.
I can offer you something way better than any of that: An active war against another human realm! A fight between equal sized realms. And it's even on our very own border. With our neighbor! The front line is two regions away from our capital! You don't see that too often on Dwilight. :P
Every post in this thread should start with that quote.
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Gold? Pfft.... Any realm can offer you gold. Lordships? Pfft... A dime a dozen.
I can offer you something way better than any of that: An active war against another human realm! A fight between equal sized realms. And it's even on our very own border. With our neighbor! The front line is two regions away from our capital! You don't see that too often on Dwilight. :P
And even better than all that, the two capitols are connected by a sea route. Time to find out if we can organize 3 armies taking a sea route and landing together in an enemy capitol.
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Gold? Pfft.... Any realm can offer you gold. Lordships? Pfft... A dime a dozen.
I can offer you something way better than any of that: An active war against another human realm! A fight between equal sized realms. And it's even on our very own border. With our neighbor! The front line is two regions away from our capital! You don't see that too often on Dwilight. :P
You think that's good? Our front line is our capital! Their front line is their capital too!
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You think that's good? Our front line is our capital! Their front line is their capital too!
To be honest, Astrum and Caerwyn's capital are neighbor's too, connected by a sea route.
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To be honest, Astrum and Caerwyn's capital are neighbor's too, connected by a sea route.
Travel times are slightly longer, though, and there is an alternative land route.
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Yea - spring time travel to Candiels from the Tower, 7 hours.
Heck, you have to REALLY mess up to not show up for a battle en mass.