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Title: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Indirik on June 30, 2014, 07:01:16 PM
That was an exciting battle. It looked like the southerners would pull out a win on this one. Some botched coordination in the attacking forces left most of Sirion's army a half-day behind the vanguard, and missing out on the attack.

54 siege engines at the wall, makes for an easier assault. Only slight overcrowding for some for some units.

Two southerner units jump off the walls and commit suicide.

The northern arrows were deadly, as six southerner nobles were wounded in the very first round, including the two who tried to face the attackers on the open field in front of the walls.

Loghain Mac Tir of Fallangard, Marshal of their army, is killed. Bad day for the family as Anora Mac Tir was captured as well.   :(

Overall, pretty close battle. The southerners held the walls against the attacking infantry, but failed in their sally to defeat the attacking archers. Nearly 600 northerner archers/SF are left standing to hold the field.

The fortifications started at level 5, in nearly perfect shape. They were knocked down to level 4.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Zakilevo on June 30, 2014, 07:03:31 PM
What a battle. Thought the duke of city would reinforce the region but the player was busy. I guess that was one of those luck factors helping the NA out.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Mac Tir on June 30, 2014, 07:04:38 PM
Loghain was just starting to get fun to play too :(. Any suggestions on what I should do next? I doubt the NA would be up for letting Anora go on compassionate release?
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Zakilevo on June 30, 2014, 07:10:03 PM
Heh. That's when all the heroes die. When things are about to be good.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Penchant on June 30, 2014, 07:16:29 PM
Loghain was just starting to get fun to play too :(. Any suggestions on what I should do next? I doubt the NA would be up for letting Anora go on compassionate release?
It wouldn't hurt to try and get the judge to let you go so you may grieve over Loghain's death.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: flames on June 30, 2014, 07:56:17 PM
Yeah, surely was nice and big fight.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Ketchum on July 01, 2014, 02:32:54 AM
Good battle. It will not hurt to ask Judge to release Anora to grieve over a family member's death. At least you can try, on compassionate ground.

On another note, Brock unit got thrown back from the wall quite many times. I am sure many attacking Infantry units have encountered same thing. That wall at level 5 is very hard to breach without many siege engines.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Ravier Nebehn on July 01, 2014, 03:44:25 AM
What a battle. Thought the duke of city would reinforce the region but the player was busy. I guess that was one of those luck factors helping the NA out.

Moving apartments > BM. :P

But, yeah.. Ravier's been saying ICly this day would come, and that Westmoor were no more than a meatshield for Perdan (at least under Atanamir). But no-one listened, as usual.

Think he might need to find a new home soon.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Indirik on July 01, 2014, 04:00:48 AM
that Westmoor were no more than a meatshield for Perdan (at least under Atanamir). But no-one listened, as usual.
OMG! I've been saying the same thing, too! No one listens to me, either....  :(
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Zakilevo on July 01, 2014, 04:20:57 AM
Well I think many people saw it coming but just no one cared enough :(
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Ketchum on July 01, 2014, 05:02:42 AM
Just for the record. 41 attacking nobles against 41 defending nobles.

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Total:
41 attackers (1739 Inf, 602 Arch, 69 Cav, 399 SF)
41 defenders (794 Inf, 60 MI, 865 Arch, 274 Cav)
Total combat strengths: 33903 vs. 22695

As Indirik mentions, the north archers were deadly though. I guess the northern weather make the arrows much tougher and good quality in hunters archers.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Mac Tir on July 01, 2014, 05:13:47 AM
To be fair, not losing all of your major recruitment centers to the glacier helps a lot too. Not that I'm saying the glacier should have hit north, the thought of Sirion having the glacier morale/payment boost makes new shiver
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: flames on July 01, 2014, 08:26:05 AM
Second round:

52 attackers (1096 Inf, 758 Arch, 482 Cav, 239 SF)
21 defenders (98 Inf, 23 MI, 236 Arch, 188 Cav)
Total combat strengths: 33214 vs. 6939

There are 51 siege engines at the walls
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Velax on July 01, 2014, 08:29:59 AM
1700 Infantry couldn't take the walls against 800, even with 54 siege engines? I'm surprised...was the attacking Infantry of poor quality?
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Zakilevo on July 01, 2014, 08:31:34 AM
1700 Infantry couldn't take the walls against 800, even with 54 siege engines? I'm surprised...was the attacking Infantry of poor quality?

Nope they were good. Just that assaulting a city is always a difficult task.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Deytheur on July 01, 2014, 11:59:10 AM
Aw man I just got out of Perdan's prison and now I'm off to enjoy the hospitality of Fallengard.

If it's any consolation, at least your hero died in a huge battle, mine died in a battle with about 5 units in it :p

To be fair, not losing all of your major recruitment centers to the glacier helps a lot too.

So does not losing all your regions :p At least you seem to be doing better now, and still better than Perleone.

Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Indirik on July 01, 2014, 02:48:36 PM
1700 Infantry couldn't take the walls against 800, even with 54 siege engines? I'm surprised...was the attacking Infantry of poor quality?
I think that, at least on Eponllyn's side, we had a lot of low-cohesion units. This was right after that three-round battle in Hagley, and all our units were beat to !@#$. I had an almost completely new unit. It retreated after losing only 20 of its 81 men, despite a 75% retreat setting. I bet others had the same experience, given how much CS we still had when the battle was over, despite nearly our entire army being scattered/retreated. The siege engines did help, though. We had quite a few units able to gain and hold the walls starting right from the beginning. (Or maybe the second attempt. I can't remember.)
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Ravier Nebehn on July 02, 2014, 06:53:28 AM
So, yeah.. bit of a Davros moment there (for anyone who watches Doctor Who).

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Davros furiously refuses the Doctor's offer to take him to safety, accusing him of being responsible for the destruction, screaming: "Never forget, Doctor, you did this! I name you forever: You are the Destroyer of Worlds!", having previously taunted the Doctor for turning his companions into killers and having caused the deaths of countless people out of comparison to himself. Thus the Doctor is forced to leave Davros to his fate as the Crucible self-destructs.

Except instead of "Worlds" it's "Realms".
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Eduardo Almighty on July 03, 2014, 07:03:58 AM
Erik is critically wounded after the assassination and Dürion was wounded now in Troyes... by the hell.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Indirik on July 03, 2014, 08:03:43 PM
Nigel de la Fere gets deported, and Carl de la Fere gets arrested after a botched assassination attempt. Bad day to be a de la Fere.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: vonGenf on July 03, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
and Carl de la Fere gets arrested after a botched assassination attempt.

Well, the attempt wasn't botched, just the escape.... and speaking of escape, he's out already.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Sonya on July 03, 2014, 10:34:41 PM
1700 Infantry couldn't take the walls against 800, even with 54 siege engines? I'm surprised...was the attacking Infantry of poor quality?

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Total combat strengths: 33903 vs. 22695

But still they won  the battle, on my young days you had to have 3 times the CS of the deffending forces to win a level 5 (Fortress), and yess with lot of Siege engines.

Ask for the battle of Barad Falas and the 5 Heroes that died that day.

Too bad i missed it, too busy lately, well off i go until next week.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Indirik on July 03, 2014, 10:53:19 PM
Well, the attempt wasn't botched, just the escape.... and speaking of escape, he's out already.
Mrh? You must be thinking of a different attempt, or a different assassin.  About two hours after Nigel was deported, Carl got caught trying to attack my character, Garin, King of Eponllyn. My guards nabbed him before he made it to me, and he's still in prison. He won't be able to even attempt to escape until after the next turn change.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: vonGenf on July 03, 2014, 11:39:56 PM
Mrh? You must be thinking of a different attempt, or a different assassin.  About two hours after Nigel was deported, Carl got caught trying to attack my character, Garin, King of Eponllyn. My guards nabbed him before he made it to me, and he's still in prison. He won't be able to even attempt to escape until after the next turn change.

Oh, when was that? Today? He was in a Sirion prison until this morning. He was arrested right after the original battle for successfully wounding Erik Eyolf.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Mac Tir on July 04, 2014, 12:33:25 AM
And then was immediately arrested again after trying to assassinate Indirik's character this morning I believe.

Sabotage!   (5 hours, 7 minutes ago)
message to everyone in Westmoor
Garin Indirik's guards, in Westmoor, have captured Carl De La Fere, an infiltrator working for Perdan while he was sneaking around the camp of Sir Garin Indirik, King of Eponllyn, Royal of Eponllyn conspicuously, with a poisoned dagger under his cloak.


For being dead, Loghain sure is still getting a ton of messages
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Ravier Nebehn on July 04, 2014, 07:06:17 AM
Damn it! Hagley revolted at the turn change, so now Ravier has to go to Greatbridge instead. Should have gone straight to Oligarch, methinks.  :-[
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Haerthorne on July 04, 2014, 08:23:50 AM
Nope they were good. Just that assaulting a city is always a difficult task.
The quality of the troops is very important. Of course having participated in many sieges as an Arcaean  I can say we've been spoilt. We've managed to take cities with almost 1-1 rations of CS.
Title: Re: The Battle for Westmoor, Round 1
Post by: Jens Namtrah on July 04, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
An interesting (to me) perspective on all this:

Fert is happily preaching away in the next region, only vaguely aware that there's a war going on somewhere near by...