I have on a number of occasions had issues attempting to remember what a person's reply is when they send me a reply that only make sense if you know the previous message.
Could we add a "view original message" to messages which are replies? Much like in emails. It would make things much easier to understand.
The organization of messages could use some other improvements as well.
For example, seeing all the messages in and out between a certain character, a certain function (King, General, et.) and a message group.
I would like to see a "reply all" function but I have a feeling there is a good reason as to why we don't already have one.
Quote from: Kain on August 21, 2011, 03:29:44 AM
I would like to see a "reply all" function but I have a feeling there is a good reason as to why we don't already have one.
I think that's under 'Frequently Rejected' :) they want to avoid realm-wide spam
Though it would be useful for 'custom msg groups' (like when the sender chose 'send to some')
Quote from: Shizzle on August 21, 2011, 09:53:32 AM
I think that's under 'Frequently Rejected' :) they want to avoid realm-wide spam
Though it would be useful for 'custom msg groups' (like when the sender chose 'send to some')
Avoid realm-wide spam? I don't see how it has anything to do with spam. It would make sharing and commenting information on a realm-wide level much less of a hassle, though.
Realm-wide spam is a bit of a different situation than it was 4 years ago. Like I always say, you can't comprehend the message traffic that 150 active people can generate unless you've been there. Now, with realms being so much smaller, I think most of us would welcome more realm-wide message traffic.
Quote from: Shizzle on August 21, 2011, 09:53:32 AM
I think that's under 'Frequently Rejected' :) they want to avoid realm-wide spam
Though it would be useful for 'custom msg groups' (like when the sender chose 'send to some')
"Reply all" assumes that it is a sub-group of the realm, don't you think? Would hardly be causing realm-wide spam.
If anything, NOT having it causes realm-wide messages, since if there are too many people I just send to realm - clicking all those check boxes makes me twitchy :o
Quote from: Indirik on August 22, 2011, 02:57:42 PM
Realm-wide spam is a bit of a different situation than it was 4 years ago. Like I always say, you can't comprehend the message traffic that 150 active people can generate unless you've been there. Now, with realms being so much smaller, I think most of us would welcome more realm-wide message traffic.
Had that same thought the other day.
i do really see benefit in an options that marks messages as replied, makes your work as an active character much easier.
How many times do active characters forget to respond or sometimes even respond double.
I'd personally really like such option.
Quote from: Nosferatus on August 23, 2011, 10:56:18 AM
i do really see benefit in an options that marks messages as replied, makes your work as an active character much easier.
How many times do active characters forget to respond or sometimes even respond double.
I'd personally really like such option.
That's what the new "mark" messages is for. Mark what you need to reply to; unmark when you actually do.
Quote from: Indirik on August 22, 2011, 02:57:42 PM
Realm-wide spam is a bit of a different situation than it was 4 years ago. Like I always say, you can't comprehend the message traffic that 150 active people can generate unless you've been there. Now, with realms being so much smaller, I think most of us would welcome more realm-wide message traffic.
I rather dislike that the approach taken was to make the process more tedious for the player to send a normal message, in order to curb the number of messages sent.
I guess we got what was wanted? The message flow in many realms was killed.
Quote from: Chénier on August 23, 2011, 03:27:59 PM
I rather dislike that the approach taken was to make the process more tedious for the player to send a normal message, in order to curb the number of messages sent.
I guess we got what was wanted? The message flow in many realms was killed.
Wrong.
there was NEVER a reply all button.
the only thing that was added was that gold-colored message saying, "Are you sure you want to send this to the whole realm"
a reply all button would have LESSENED realm-wide messaging, and so would have been a good thing. ( the way the code is written for messaging, I think it is a little arduous to try to change, and so was never added.)
but then again, if you'd ever take a moment to read things carefully instead of just constantly bitching about everything you can think of, you'd already understand that.
Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
Wrong.
there was NEVER a reply all button.
Choosing not to implement such a mundane feature after all this time has the same effect as choosing to remove it.
Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
the only thing that was added was that gold-colored message saying, "Are you sure you want to send this to the whole realm"
That's irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
a reply all button would have LESSENED realm-wide messaging, and so would have been a good thing.
Care explaining how the hell you figure that?
Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
( the way the code is written for messaging, I think it is a little arduous to try to change, and so was never added.)
Considering that "reply to all" is available elsewhere, and the time for which the game has been running, I don't consider this argument to be valid.
Quote from: Jens Namtrah on August 23, 2011, 03:48:06 PM
but then again, if you'd ever take a moment to read things carefully instead of just constantly bitching about everything you can think of, you'd already understand that.
A "reply to all" option was never made available because of a fear it would create realm-wide spam, therefore forcing the players to continue using the old method of going back to the message page between each message and selecting "to all realm mates", therefore keeping a method that forces multiple clicks and that breaks a flow that could be quite smooth instead of upgrading to a more user-friendly and faster method that they have adopted for other message groups.
Now, which part did I misunderstand?
Quote from: Chénier on August 23, 2011, 04:03:36 PM
Choosing not to implement such a mundane feature after all this time has the same effect as choosing to remove it.
I'm sorry; in the context, that makes no sense.
You said that you had noticed a distinct dropoff in message flow after reply all was removed.
Is it really that hard to respond to all the good old fashion way? I haven't even noticed it for years, it just the way you do it.
Put it this way. Has there ever been a time that you would have send a message but then thought not to because there was no "reply all" button?
Quote from: Shane "Shenron" O'neil on August 24, 2011, 02:21:02 AMHas there ever been a time that you would have send a message but then thought not to because there was no "reply all" button?
No.
So therefore not having it does not cut down on message traffic. So, why not have it, since not having having it not only doesn't work, it actually adds frustration?
Agreed. The rationale for saying no made sense when too many messages was a serious game problem. Nowadays? Yeah, not so much.
Quote from: Shane "Shenron" O'neil on August 24, 2011, 02:21:02 AM
Is it really that hard to respond to all the good old fashion way? I haven't even noticed it for years, it just the way you do it.
Put it this way. Has there ever been a time that you would have send a message but then thought not to because there was no "reply all" button?
No I am pretty sure I replied, but the discussions are often cut short since it is such a hassle to find and mark every name every time you answer. Therefore it may actually lead to less message sending in general. Not much, but it probably contributes in some circumstances.
Any time you want to talk to a group that does not have it's own message group somewhere.
Unless there is a specific reason I usually respond to messages while keeping the same audience of the original message. If the original message was to the entire realm, my response to the message will usually be to the entire realm. As Indirik said, the lack of a "Reply to List" button never deters me but the extra work can be irritating. Especially when I want to reference the original message. Really a minor thing though!
Yeah, more than anything all the "reply to..." buttons are nice because I don't have to pop open another tab just to able to reference the letter I'm responding to.
Quote from: Shane "Shenron" O'neil on August 24, 2011, 02:21:02 AM
Put it this way. Has there ever been a time that you would have send a message but then thought not to because there was no "reply all" button?
Yes, when I'm short on time I am more critical on what I deem worthy of replying to.
And considering that there are many lightweight players around, I deem it likely that this happens to a good number of them too.
Because don't forget that in addition of having to click on more links to write your message, you also do not get the message you are replying to under your message, making it more of a hassle for looking up parts of the message you want to address in your own.
i do notice that when someone send a message to selected multiple people, there's no reply to those same people.
is that desirable? stops unofficial cliques i imagine.. official cliques have official message groups and their "reply to list" bit..
Quote from: fodder on September 06, 2011, 08:28:17 AMi do notice that when someone send a message to selected multiple people, there's no reply to those same people.
is that desirable? stops unofficial cliques i imagine.. official cliques have official message groups and their "reply to list" bit..
That is intentional. The game intentionally limits who you can communicate with, and the way in which you do so. Say, for example, a guild elder sends messages to selected members, including some aspirants. Guild Aspirants are not allowed to selectively choose recipients in the guild, so a Reply-to-List link would let someone use a reply style that the system intentionally denies them from using.
This ability to control communications, and arbitrarily group nobles is one of the primary features of guilds. If this ability was granted to everyone, without the need for guilds and guildhouses, then guilds would become mostly superfluous. This is why the Contacts list only lets you send messages to one noble at a time.
If we let you select individual nobles from different lists, and then gave everyone "reply to list" links, then we might as well jsut give everyone a list of all nobles on the island, and let them pick and choose from that.
I think that the restriction on who one can talk to are a good thing. At the same time, if everyone on the list is someone you are allowed to talk to I would love to have the reply button there. Or have it always be there and strip those whom you could not normally message. I think I would prefer he first option though...