ruler was holding estate in one region which is lost, and now he cannot offer oath to new lord as he "cannot change allegiance being a ruler".
how that works? can region lord offer ruler an oath and can he accept it?
Yes, the ruler's place in the hierarchy is hopelessly screwed up.
The New Estates will fix that.
Quote from: Stue (DC) on September 07, 2011, 02:44:40 PMhow that works? can region lord offer ruler an oath and can he accept it?
Currently, no.
When elected ruler, you keep your oath. From what I understand from a few players is that the lord can even renegotiate the oath. However, the ruler cannot swear a new oath to another lord, and no lords can offer an oath to the ruler. Yes, it is a bit wacky
Wacky perhaps but I prefer it that way. I would even prefer that all council members be unable to have an oath (existing or new). It muddles the hierarchy more that I like.
Quote from: Pelgart on September 07, 2011, 03:33:59 PM
Wacky perhaps but I prefer it that way. I would even prefer that all council members be unable to have an oath (existing or new). It muddles the hierarchy more that I like.
And no personal income? What about democracies, with shifting positions?
Good to see the Ruler's position will soon be fixed. Ruling a realm and swearing fealty to a region feels wrong :)
Quote from: Shizzle on September 07, 2011, 04:00:57 PMAnd no personal income? What about democracies, with shifting positions?
Such is the price you pay for flexibility.
Surely the other councilors would swear fealty to the Monarch or Tyrant, and in a Republic or Democracy to the people, in a Theocracy to God? Having people outside of feudal hierarchy would be worse than it is now.
I believe all Nobles are aligned to a region now (with or without Estate), if I remember correctly. Rulers are aligned to a region in the same way. The Lord of that Region can offer the Ruler an Oath for an Estate via the Nobles aligned to this Region section. Others can't since then it tells you Government Members can't be send Oath Offers.
I believe that if they don't already have an oath for a tax percentage, that they cannot be offered an oath. Renegotiation is a different process than offering an oath. And if you don't already have an oath for a tax percentage, then there is nothing to renegotiate.
Quote from: Indirik on September 07, 2011, 02:52:20 PM
Currently, no.
When elected ruler, you keep your oath. From what I understand from a few players is that the lord can even renegotiate the oath. However, the ruler cannot swear a new oath to another lord, and no lords can offer an oath to the ruler. Yes, it is a bit wacky
Actually, there is.
I don't recall how exactly, but after our Premier was elected we managed to get him an oath in Paisly.
Yes, that was because Marche was still aligned to Paisly as a Noble (Losing his Duke position). Via the Nobles aligned to this Region section at the Your Knights page the new Duke of Paisly could still offer an Oath to Marche even though he was the Ruler (Offer Oaths page doesn't work). However I don't know if that's still the case.
I think so. My character in Fissoa recently was elected Ruler recently. He was offered an oath in the region he had previously been Lord of. So far I assumed the Ruler could receive a tax share in any region, so I guess I'm very lucky with my current position :)
So do most Rulers get their money out of the realm taxes?
When one of my characters was King, the Dukes were transferring gold to him manually.
Quote from: Sypher on September 08, 2011, 08:31:43 AM
When one of my characters was King, the Dukes were transferring gold to him manually.
So much for being a sovereign ruler :S Though I guess having all Dukes pay you can force some peer pressure :)
this will soon change...
Quote from: Tom on September 08, 2011, 06:11:40 PM
this will soon change...
So I can start actually holding my breath now? :D
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Quote from: vonGenf on September 08, 2011, 06:13:06 PM
So I can start actually holding my breath now? :D
depends on how long you can hold it - see announcements in a minute.
Great idea, such a live event :) I hope I'll make it.
People reading this, but feeling like "Pff IRC is swarming with dimwits and perverted teenagers", don't be afraid to hop on. You can always ignore Fleugs ;)
Quote from: Shizzle on September 08, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
Great idea, such a live event :) I hope I'll make it.You can always ignore Fleugs ;)
Always good advice.
Quote from: Shizzle on September 08, 2011, 08:37:00 PM
Great idea, such a live event :) I hope I'll make it.
People reading this, but feeling like "Pff IRC is swarming with dimwits and perverted teenagers", don't be afraid to hop on. You can always ignore Fleugs ;)
Say what?
Quote from: Fleugs on September 10, 2011, 05:17:21 PM
Say what?
Now you're just helping the claims against you! ;D
Quote from: Telrunya on September 07, 2011, 04:48:27 PM
I believe all Nobles are aligned to a region now (with or without Estate), if I remember correctly. Rulers are aligned to a region in the same way. The Lord of that Region can offer the Ruler an Oath for an Estate via the Nobles aligned to this Region section. Others can't since then it tells you Government Members can't be send Oath Offers.
for the file - this worked, lord whom ruler belongs as unaligned knight can send an offer (it probably counts as renegotiation) and ruler can accept it.
of course, all this will be obsolete soon. :D