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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Jhaelen Irsei on September 07, 2011, 03:34:33 PM
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Well, I've just noticed that there is no threat about what's going on in the North East...maybe because nothing is going on there?
Morek, Libero, Corsanctum and Summerdale are stable and strong realms with peaceful relationship. The action is taking place in the West, both South and North, and in the South East but not in this quadrant.
Maybe things are going to change suddenly, who knows? Libero is cornered and sooner or later it has to do something while Summerdale has recently doubled his regions gaining of the fall of Averoth and Thulsoma. Morek and Corsanctum want to expand in the Unterlands and there are still two big and rich cities to colonize: Unterstrom and Flowerstown.
The stage is set, let's wait for the actors.
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Well, I've just noticed that there is no threat about what's going on in the North East...maybe because nothing is going on there?
Morek, Libero, Corsanctum and Summerdale are stable and strong realms with peaceful relationship. The action is taking place in the West, both South and North, and in the South East but not in this quadrant.
Maybe things are going to change suddenly, who knows? Libero is cornered and sooner or later it has to do something while Summerdale has recently doubled his regions gaining of the fall of Averoth and Thulsoma. Morek and Corsanctum want to expand in the Unterlands and there are still two big and rich cities to colonize: Unterstrom and Flowerstown.
The stage is set, let's wait for the actors.
The Flow will be colonized hopefully this year (IRL) by hearty Lurians :D
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The Flow will be colonized hopefully this year (IRL) by hearty Lurians :D
I'd imagine after all the various rebellions and government changes, the treaties originally signed between Morek and PeL are mostly ignored by everyone at this point, right?
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The Flow will be colonized hopefully this year (IRL) by hearty Lurians :D
When will Shinnen be independent?
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The Flow will be colonized hopefully this year (IRL) by hearty Lurians :D
Argh. I hate that I have heard about this by OOC means.
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yep I invite everyone not to speak oocly about this colony thing. it would just hurt everything.
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I have heard rumors that something is in the works, but I do not believe it is appropriate to talk about IC politics on the forum, especially for a roleplaying world. Too many people are tempted to use that OOC knowledge IC.
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Argh. I hate that I have heard about this by OOC means.
Let's put it this way: If that colony actually happens, ever, much less within a year, then someone will be able to officially lay claim to having won Battlemaster through sheer awesomeness at having successfully united the most fractious group of characters in the game and conquered or incorporated half the island, and it will be such an impressive (read: impossible) accomplishment that Tom will probably agree and change their forum title.
It will also mean that the declining playerbase problem has turned into a massive overpopulation problem that only rapid colonization of Dwilight combined with retaking the Blight on BT can possibly solve.
In other words, while it has been discussed in Luria, it bears as much resemblance as a real plan as I bear to an Olympic athlete. Possibly someone from another planet might make that mistake, but nothing on Earth is that blind.
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Hehe.. It seems like the north east ain't that interesting to talk about. ;)
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How about this for a conversation piece?
Pierre von Genf, Marquis of Caiyun, Ambassador of Morek Empire, is in Port Nebel--a region that just revolted from D'Hara and aligned itself to Corsanctum. Very recently, Port Nebel hated Corsanctum.
So...coincidence? Or is he working with Corsanctum? Or, perhaps, is he working against Corsanctum in a plan to distract them into a war with D'Hara while Morek attacks Corsanctum?
Let the speculation and paranoia begin!
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How about this for a conversation piece?
Pierre von Genf, Marquis of Caiyun, Ambassador of Morek Empire, is in Port Nebel--a region that just revolted from D'Hara and aligned itself to Corsanctum. Very recently, Port Nebel hated Corsanctum.
So...coincidence? Or is he working with Corsanctum? Or, perhaps, is he working against Corsanctum in a plan to distract them into a war with D'Hara while Morek attacks Corsanctum?
Let the speculation and paranoia begin!
I heard Garret Artemesia did it!
*all eyes turn to the Maroccidens*
Win.
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I heard Garret Artemesia did it!
*all eyes turn to the Maroccidens*
Win.
Vellos: +1
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Meh, it'll revolt in a few days, and it'll love D'Hara again by the end of the week.
That's just how Port Nebel rolls. I guess I'll just have to do more routine sympathy checks on our cities, though, 'cause either there was a bug, either there's a random mechanic that gives random boosts in sympathy at times, or either someone intentionally increased it. Regardless, nothing I can't handle. Each city only borders 1 foreign realm, and that char has been a priest/ambassador for years.
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You may notice I stayed the whole of 12 hours in Port Nebel. I'm not that good.
Or am I? :-X
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You may notice I stayed the whole of 12 hours in Port Nebel. I'm not that good.
Or am I? :-X
I personally didn't pay attention. And it wouldn't really matter. My skill is as high as it can be, so even if yours is as well, at least I can do it for free 95% of the time.
That, and I doubt anyone is trying to pick a fight between D'Hara and the SA realms.
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Flow city is actually very defendable and can perfectly manage against rogues.
Who ever picks it wouldn't need to much military support to start up compared to some other locations.
But yeah, even 5 nobles would be too much to send over for almost anyone.
unless, we ALL work together!
one noble from corsanctum, one from morek empire, one from pel, one from LN and one from D'hara :P
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I'd imagine after all the various rebellions and government changes, the treaties originally signed between Morek and PeL are mostly ignored by everyone at this point, right?
No idea... I hope not.. was hoping in a few years to just get Morek's permission :D
But yea.. I am hoping for within the next two years (in all seriousness) so by 2014 :D
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When will Shinnen be independent?
When it wants to be.
Actually I do not know to much about it IC or OOC. Doesnt concern my Crusade and as far as OOCly I think it was put on hold for a while..
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Flow city is actually very defendable and can perfectly manage against rogues.
Who ever picks it wouldn't need to much military support to start up compared to some other locations.
The city and townsland themselves can be defended, yes. The problem is that Flowrestown is a BIG city. It needs a lot of rurals to feed it. And once you get past Flow, you have no fortifications. And your realm is spread out and pressed up against the mountains. Which are going 24/7/365 churning out the nastiest monster spawn seen east of the Dragon's Teeth. Your closest source of help is Pian en Luries. And they need to walk past those mountains to send help, which is probably a four day journey under normal conditions.
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The city and townsland themselves can be defended, yes. The problem is that Flowrestown is a BIG city. It needs a lot of rurals to feed it. And once you get past Flow, you have no fortifications. And your realm is spread out and pressed up against the mountains. Which are going 24/7/365 churning out the nastiest monster spawn seen east of the Dragon's Teeth. Your closest source of help is Pian en Luries. And they need to walk past those mountains to send help, which is probably a four day journey under normal conditions.
According to my experience monster spawning has decreased a lot in this area, probably due to lot of adventurers. Anyway I think it's possible to handle them somehow, I guess Darflix has the same problem
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A "leap to Flowrestown" won't be manageable. Pian en Luries will have to expand northwards slowly to reduce spawns, and a prodigious sum of adventurers will be necessary around those mountains.
As tempting as Flowrestown is, I remain convinced that the most realistic "next step" towards colonizing the Divide Mountains is Sallowtown, or maybe Unterstrom. Actually a join colony in Sallowtown between the Lurian Kingdoms and the Véinsørmoot would be very interesting.
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A "leap to Flowrestown" won't be manageable. Pian en Luries will have to expand northwards slowly to reduce spawns, and a prodigious sum of adventurers will be necessary around those mountains.
As tempting as Flowrestown is, I remain convinced that the most realistic "next step" towards colonizing the Divide Mountains is Sallowtown, or maybe Unterstrom. Actually a join colony in Sallowtown between the Lurian Kingdoms and the Véinsørmoot would be very interesting.
Except that the Lurians always make sure to remind D'Hara just how unpleasant they are every time we start forgetting. The idea of a lurian-backed colony in Sallowtown would not be met warmly in D'Hara...
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Except that the Lurians always make sure to remind D'Hara just how unpleasant they are every time we start forgetting. The idea of a lurian-backed colony in Sallowtown would not be met warmly in D'Hara...
And every time the Lurians turn around, the D'harans remind us just how incompetent they are, so the feeling is fairly mutual. But, of course, there are other members of the 'Moot that appear to have their heads on straight.
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I just D'hara is ready to be peeved off in the near-far future :D
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Hey, maybe the D'Harans would support the colony if D'Harans held the Ducal seat of Sallowtown?
Then again, the Lurian penchant for infighting would render any power-sharing agreement... tenuous.
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Hey, maybe the D'Harans would support the colony if D'Harans held the Ducal seat of Sallowtown?
Then again, the Lurian penchant for infighting would render any power-sharing agreement... tenuous.
Given the demonstrated D'Haran ability to manage cities, who the hell would give them one?
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Given the demonstrated D'Haran ability to manage cities, who the hell would give them one?
Easy to say when your realm's food demand doesn't exceed its supply by over 9000%.
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Easy to say when your realm's food demand doesn't exceed its supply by over 9000%.
Again, you forget that De-Legro and I had two lordships, a duchy, and a Council position in D'hara at various times. Taking Paisly and Paisland and letting the food-producing Qubel and QL go rogue made your situation untenable. The fact that D'hara continues on the same stupid path doesn't excuse anything.
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Easy to say when your realm's food demand doesn't exceed its supply by over 9000%.
I'm sorry did someone force you to take on more cities then you could reasonably expect to feed? Does someone continue to force you to maintain a realm composition that puts you at the mercy of foreign food markets?
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The Lurians demanded the Lighthouse, didn't they? I can't imagine how D'Hara or anyone else in the Moot would be able to stomache a shared realm project when the Lurians clearly want to take advantage of D'Hara, its previous situation a clear example. Matt himself even pointed out the relative importance of Qubel to D'Hara. Makes you wonder...
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The Lurians demanded the Lighthouse, didn't they? I can't imagine how D'Hara or anyone else in the Moot would be able to stomache a shared realm project when the Lurians clearly want to take advantage of D'Hara, its previous situation a clear example. Matt himself even pointed out the relative importance of Qubel to D'Hara. Makes you wonder...
You realise Matt WAS the Duke of the lighthouse, and the Lurian claim is based on his families claim right? After all D'Hara can barely hold Port Nebel, without some radical change the chances of them EVER holding the lighthouse again are marginal.
Besides, it isn't the Lurian empire that is making suggestions of a shared effort, we are generally attracting enough new player to make us look to the next colony effort once the current one is completed, all the back stabbing seems to be a great recruitment tool.
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The Lurians demanded the Lighthouse, didn't they? I can't imagine how D'Hara or anyone else in the Moot would be able to stomache a shared realm project when the Lurians clearly want to take advantage of D'Hara, its previous situation a clear example. Matt himself even pointed out the relative importance of Qubel to D'Hara. Makes you wonder...
"The Lurians" demanded nothing of the sort. House Bedwyr, in the person of Koli, the son of the last legitimate Duke of the Lighthouse, was making it clear that he still holds his father's claim.
And D'hara's continued inability to feed Port Nebel is deeply offensive to Koli's religion, and resulted in the death of one of his uncles (on his mother's side).
Of course...It's not like Koli would shed any tears if D'hara gave him an excuse to sail an army into the Ports, but there are real and good reasons for what he did.
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Again, you forget that De-Legro and I had two lordships, a duchy, and a Council position in D'hara at various times. Taking Paisly and Paisland and letting the food-producing Qubel and QL go rogue made your situation untenable. The fact that D'hara continues on the same stupid path doesn't excuse anything.
You seem to forget that we don't play in the BattleMaster of 2006. To expand, we need nobles. We didn't have enough nobles to go back eastwards. And should you have not noticed, Port Nebel must be conquered first before any expansion into the eastern rurals can be made.
De-Legro was in D'Hara... when it was small, when all the cities had 1% production due to low population at all times basically, and when there were more nobles. We had more rurals back then to feed smaller cities. Port Raviel and Paisly have grown considerably since these days. We didn't even need to import any food at all in these days, even when we had Sallowtown (which was lost due to rogues, not lack of food).
As soon as the new estates system will be implemented, we'll be more than happy to go back to colonize all of our claimed lands. Until then, estates won't allow us. We were already stretched thin before someone started a TO of Qubel, and that was thanks to a few migrants from Caerwyn and beyond. Wouldn't have even been imaginable before. Estate cover would have been so bad that the cities would have been absolutely worthless.
We are always knocking on everyone's door for food. But the war against Caerwyn screwed us on an important supplier. And other realms are also seeing their cities grow and therefore their surpluses shrink.
If the Lurians had the ability to feed Port Nebel, then if he cares about his religion so much he can sell D'Hara that very same food he'd give them. D'Hara isn't holding any food back from it's stupid peasants, and we can't do anything to stop immigration either. D'Hara is the land of retarded peasants that join en masse places they know they won't be able to find food in, and who complain against the government's taxes all the time therefore cutting the government's power to buy that very food they require. And if we expand to acquire more farmlands for them, well then they'll just burn it all down because there won't be enough nobles to watch over them. D'Haran peasants *want* to die. They worship the god of starvation, and pray every day for their warehouses to run out on the next day.
If any other realm could do better, then that just means they are the problem themselves, as they are stockpiling food and refusing to feed the city.
Koli's family could also just move out if they are too poor or stupid to use their noble powers to keep themselves fed. Hell, they must be like the peasants I mention, if they chose to live in Port Nebel instead of Paisly or Port Raviel. Port Nebel always was the poorest child. Since it rarely ever produced much gold, it was always sacrificed in favor of the cities that actually made an income and therefore had the power to purchase food from abroad. Better have one city starve than all of them, after all.
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Koli's family could also just move out if they are too poor or stupid to use their noble powers to keep themselves fed. Hell, they must be like the peasants I mention, if they chose to live in Port Nebel instead of Paisly or Port Raviel. Port Nebel always was the poorest child. Since it rarely ever produced much gold, it was always sacrificed in favor of the cities that actually made an income and therefore had the power to purchase food from abroad. Better have one city starve than all of them, after all.
Do say this IC, and give Koli a casus belli... 8)
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You seem to forget that we don't play in the BattleMaster of 2006. To expand, we need nobles. We didn't have enough nobles to go back eastwards. And should you have not noticed, Port Nebel must be conquered first before any expansion into the eastern rurals can be made.
East would seem to be a poor way to expand, expanding west should give much more scope for actual food production.
We are always knocking on everyone's door for food. But the war against Caerwyn screwed us on an important supplier. And other realms are also seeing their cities grow and therefore their surpluses shrink
Exactly the insistence of D'Hara in maintaining both a main land and a island presence has resulted in an untenable food import situation. When your realm insists on being composed of 2 cities (sometimes 3) 3 townslands and only 1-2 rurals, well its time to reconsider what regions are worth holding and what options are available for more lands.
If the Lurians had the ability to feed Port Nebel, then if he cares about his religion so much he can sell D'Hara that very same food he'd give them. D'Hara isn't holding any food back from it's stupid peasants, and we can't do anything to stop immigration either. D'Hara is the land of retarded peasants that join en masse places they know they won't be able to find food in, and who complain against the government's taxes all the time therefore cutting the government's power to buy that very food they require. And if we expand to acquire more farmlands for them, well then they'll just burn it all down because there won't be enough nobles to watch over them. D'Haran peasants *want* to die. They worship the god of starvation, and pray every day for their warehouses to run out on the next day.
It is feasible the Lurians could feed the city, but then its unlikely that a realm notorious for infighting is going to do so just to keep Koli happy. If the City was part of the empire though, that would have been very different. I guess we could have done it for gold, but there rarely seems to be a lack of gold in the realm, I know several times I've offered several hundred gold for knights to improve their units and had no takers.
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You seem to forget that we don't play in the BattleMaster of 2006. To expand, we need nobles. We didn't have enough nobles to go back eastwards. And should you have not noticed, Port Nebel must be conquered first before any expansion into the eastern rurals can be made.
Absolute nonsense. D'hara held Port Nebel and Nebel for years without making a go at Qubel or the Lighthouse, and my entire point was that holding onto cities when you can't feed them is silly. If you couldn't secure additional food sources, you needed to abandon either Port Nebel or Paisly to focus on securing further food production.
De-Legro was in D'Hara... when it was small, when all the cities had 1% production due to low population at all times basically, and when there were more nobles. We had more rurals back then to feed smaller cities. Port Raviel and Paisly have grown considerably since these days. We didn't even need to import any food at all in these days, even when we had Sallowtown (which was lost due to rogues, not lack of food).
Also absolute nonsense. I recall the Ports with tens of thousands in population, and I know De-Legro was there at the same time. Food needed to be imported, but it wasn't until Paisly was taken that the issue became devastating.
As soon as the new estates system will be implemented, we'll be more than happy to go back to colonize all of our claimed lands. Until then, estates won't allow us. We were already stretched thin before someone started a TO of Qubel, and that was thanks to a few migrants from Caerwyn and beyond. Wouldn't have even been imaginable before. Estate cover would have been so bad that the cities would have been absolutely worthless.
Again, my entire point was that you should have given up a city ages ago.
We are always knocking on everyone's door for food. But the war against Caerwyn screwed us on an important supplier. And other realms are also seeing their cities grow and therefore their surpluses shrink.
If the Lurians had the ability to feed Port Nebel, then if he cares about his religion so much he can sell D'Hara that very same food he'd give them. D'Hara isn't holding any food back from it's stupid peasants, and we can't do anything to stop immigration either. D'Hara is the land of retarded peasants that join en masse places they know they won't be able to find food in, and who complain against the government's taxes all the time therefore cutting the government's power to buy that very food they require. And if we expand to acquire more farmlands for them, well then they'll just burn it all down because there won't be enough nobles to watch over them. D'Haran peasants *want* to die. They worship the god of starvation, and pray every day for their warehouses to run out on the next day.
See my above points about giving up a city.
If any other realm could do better, then that just means they are the problem themselves, as they are stockpiling food and refusing to feed the city.
No, it means we are working on increasing the population of our cities.
Koli's family could also just move out if they are too poor or stupid to use their noble powers to keep themselves fed. Hell, they must be like the peasants I mention, if they chose to live in Port Nebel instead of Paisly or Port Raviel. Port Nebel always was the poorest child. Since it rarely ever produced much gold, it was always sacrificed in favor of the cities that actually made an income and therefore had the power to purchase food from abroad. Better have one city starve than all of them, after all.
Koli's uncle was killed when the officials working for D'hara were lynched in the revolt. Every region in the game has minor nobles (see diplomat action reports for confirmation) who serve as officials and the like, and when a region revolts the officials working for the government are lynched.
And again, if you cannot feed the city to the point where it starves down that far, then why are you bothering to hold it?
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you see how cool the south is kids?
What ever tread you start, it always ends up in a discussion about south Dwilight (or the saxons).
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Given the demonstrated D'Haran ability to manage cities, who the hell would give them one?
It's a D'Haran thing, losing control of cities. Just like rebelling is a Lurian thing.
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Hmm I find myself toying with the idea of asking an SA realm if they would be prepared to share a joint colonization of a new Crusader State that would upset D'hara a ton. But then the price IC would be too high... at the moment anyway :D
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Hmm I find myself toying with the idea of asking an SA realm if they would be prepared to share a joint colonization of a new Crusader State that would upset D'hara a ton. But then the price IC would be too high... at the moment anyway :D
Who has the nobles to spare?
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I inadvertly created the Saxons... :(
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Who has the nobles to spare?
Your the SA man, you tell me :D
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Your the SA man, you tell me :D
We put the faith and the awesomeness, you put the nobles.
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Question:
Why is Morek's CS graph so steadily downward sloping? TMP? Ya'll have had TMP for that long, with rogues in your south, and you've done nothing about it?
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They have tried going down south to get rid of TMP. The travel times are horrible though and there aren't many monsters spawning south of them for some reason. Possibly because Corsanctum is hunting them to get rid of TMP as well.
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Interesting.
Now that I look at it closely, seems like Fissoa, Terran, Morek, D'Hara, Corsanctum, and Summerdale all decline about the same time, while Aurvandil, Madina, and Pian en Luries all rise across the same time. Curious.
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They have tried going down south to get rid of TMP. The travel times are horrible though and there aren't many monsters spawning south of them for some reason. Possibly because Corsanctum is hunting them to get rid of TMP as well.
Yes, that's correct. We have had no spawns in our regions nor in rogue regions bordering ours for a very long time. There were some monsters deep south but we weren't organized to stay out on the field so long and we missed them.
Now a couple groups spawned here and there and this may fix the tmp for at least a little while, but there are tough times ahead for Morek. Dwilight is by far now not as full of monsters as it once was, let's hope that this couple with the new estates allowed for a lot of expansion and hostility chances.
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Interesting.
Now that I look at it closely, seems like Fissoa, Terran, Morek, D'Hara, Corsanctum, and Summerdale all decline about the same time, while Aurvandil, Madina, and Pian en Luries all rise across the same time. Curious.
I think the war in the south probably attracted several nobles.
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We've got units with 0% morale and 0% training in D'Hara...
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To be fair, I'm traveling in the North East right now, the morale is due to distance from realm, at least partly. But the training is 100% TMP.
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Real men travel without unit.
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And real men get attacked and robbed by bandits too because they don't have soldiers, I guess? :P
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Real men are priests, don't you know? Sissy troop leaders who complain for each mile travelled.....
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Interesting.
Now that I look at it closely, seems like Fissoa, Terran, Morek, D'Hara, Corsanctum, and Summerdale all decline about the same time, while Aurvandil, Madina, and Pian en Luries all rise across the same time. Curious.
So, have yourselves a nice Church Schism and get into a Religious Civil War
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We might all be gearing up for Dwilights first world war?
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Just looking at the 'realm list', to see that Barca has exceeded Summerdale and Libero Empire in noble count, however they do have more regions.
That raises the question, how does a realm of 11 nobles keep 11 regions maintained?
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Just looking at the 'realm list', to see that Barca has exceeded Summerdale and Libero Empire in noble count, however they do have more regions.
That raises the question, how does a realm of 11 nobles keep 11 regions maintained?
With the new estate system that should be pretty trivial, and EVERYBODY GETS TO BE A LORD. Not optimal in terms of gold maybe. I know several realms have discussed having no knights in Rural regions in order to expand the regions they can hold.
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With the new estate system that should be pretty trivial, and EVERYBODY GETS TO BE A LORD. Not optimal in terms of gold maybe. I know several realms have discussed having no knights in Rural regions in order to expand the regions they can hold.
Terran is moving that direction.
But that type of realm, in the long-run, I think is mostly a Dwilight anomaly.
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Terran is moving that direction.
But that type of realm, in the long-run, I think is mostly a Dwilight anomaly.
If people in fheuv'n had a tad more ambition, we'd have that too.
The character death at the beginning of the invasion really did a score on BT. Feels like a dying continent now, sadly. Used to be so dynamic and so much fun...
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Feels like a dying continent now, sadly.
Well, it kind of is dying. That's the point.
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But that type of realm, in the long-run, I think is mostly a Dwilight anomaly.
Not if the player base keeps declining significantly on Atamara, East Continent, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to see 1:1 Noble to region ratios in a lot of Atamara realms if things keep going like they are. Though, they don't have the New Estate System yet.
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It is possible to be stable at 1:1. It's even possible to have a lower than 1:1 ratio and still survive. But you'll never be able to actually hold those regions under any kind of war. Any realm that managed to amass a significantly larger number of ambitious nobles would tear you apart.
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So, why don't you ocuppy them? I know you want to. ;)
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Huh? I don't have a character in LE or Summerdale...
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I mean occupy their realm. Take them over. Add their cities to the Astroist theocracies. ;)
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I mean occupy their realm. Take them over. Add their cities to the Astroist theocracies. ;)
That's pretty much the case already.
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I mean occupy their realm. Take them over. Add their cities to the Astroist theocracies. ;)
The fact that one of the Elders of SA is Queen of LE, and that we have their largest temple, basically makes us a theocracy in all but name.
Summerdale, on the other hand . . . not so sure about them.
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Summerdale, on the other hand . . . not so sure about them.
The Queen and 2/3 the Dukes are SA....
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I didn't knew SA influences was that strong in those realms. So that makes SA's domination over Northern Dwilight complete.
Someone must stop them!
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Don't look at Hireshmont.
His son is one of them.
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Hireshmont is the prophet of Triunism, and his son is a Astroist. What..? :o
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I didn't knew SA influences was that strong in those realms. So that makes SA's domination over Northern Dwilight complete.
Someone must stop them!
There are Astroists everywhere! Even under your bed...
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Hireshmont is the prophet of Triunism, and his son is a Astroist. What..? :o
To the kid's credit, he's adopted.
He has daddy issues.
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To the kid's credit, he's adopted.
He has daddy issues.
And being personally tutored by that obnoxious Senator of Shokalom...
And people wonder why Hireshmont pushes for legal protections for Astroists.
Nobody wants to see their own son at the stake.
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Nobody wants to see their own son at the stake.
I will have my secret police arrest him and deport him to either Madina or Aurvandil, and hand him over to some fanatic Caerwynian or Saxon.
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Yeah, cause Madina don't have a history of siding with the north. Well, if you ask a Caerwyn noble at least. LoFN, anyone? If I recall even halfway correctly, wasn't Madina the only realm in the southern half to clearly separate itself from that excellent winning strategy.
Julius is far more likely to send anyone to Aurvandil though. Try get Hireshmont's own son to side with your friends in Aurvandil against Hireshmont's friends in Madina? Those are some messed up daddy issues you expect :o
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Yeah, cause Madina don't have a history of siding with the north. Well, if you ask a Caerwyn noble at least. LoFN, anyone? If I recall even halfway correctly, wasn't Madina the only realm in the southern half to clearly separate itself from that excellent winning strategy.
I believe we decided the LoFN was a joke after nearly all of them threatened to go to war with us over the Aurvandil matter.
Also, most of the LoFN realms have SA temples or members as is.