Newest religion founded in Shinnen Purlieus, Luria Nova, Dwilight. And expanding!
The idea behind Aetheris Pyrism (http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Aetheris_Pyrism) is to enhance Dwilight's religious RP game. There were only five active religions before its foundation, and several realms do not really have any religion at all. Pyrism is supposed to be somewhat of a handicap-religion, in the sense that it should encourage superstitions for the characters, instead of pure logic, in order to make a RP-richer game, and have the religion being not just the in-game mechanics used for political goals (they will be, but that should not be their /only/ function).
Critics, suggestions or any kind of contributions are very welcome.
Yes! Perhaps the Duke of Fissoa will come down and join soon!
I wanted to make my own religion but things have worked out against it. The other option was to join the Manifest Path but man, that religion is just so boring. It's bordering on not even being a religion! I want exactly as you say: superstitions for the characters, instead of pure logic.
Feel free to loot my old religion page for any images you want to incorporate into your religion. Actually please take the images and incorporate them so I don't feel like I've wasted my time.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Omni_Amor_Veritas
Man. This is exciting. I've been waiting for something like this. ;D ;D ;D
Outrageous and dangerous rituals? Not trying to only please the power-players, but also force some In Character immersion? I like your religion already.
But I won't add the images myself, I'll let you do that yourself if you join it. ;) That way your character can take the credit for the artistic commissions and theological contributions.
Quote from: JPierreD on September 17, 2011, 09:19:14 AM
it should encourage superstitions for the characters, instead of pure logic, in order to make a RP-richer game
I told you should have joined SA. You are already adopting its practices!
Quote from: Shane "Shenron" O'neil on September 17, 2011, 01:55:09 PM
The other option was to join the Manifest Path but man, that religion is just so boring. It's bordering on not even being a religion! I want exactly as you say: superstitions for the characters, instead of pure logic.
The fact that Koli chose to use the existing deity-level entities in his religion rather than making up others does not mean that the Manifest Path is not a religion, and I get really tired of that.
Daimon Lords are
more powerful than many deities in older cultures. If you don't like the Path, fine. Stop trying to say it's not a religion.
And anyone who thinks that the Manifest Path is actually based on logic has bought Koli's propaganda. I can name a half dozen logical fallacies on every page of the tMP wiki that completely invalidate every facet of the religion. The best analogue would be some of the math/religion cults. Look up Pythagoras, for instance. Supposedly, everything was based on math. In actuality? Total bull!@#$.
Quote from: Bedwyr on September 17, 2011, 11:00:21 PM
The fact that Koli chose to use the existing deity-level entities in his religion rather than making up others does not mean that the Manifest Path is not a religion, and I get really tired of that.
Daimon Lords are more powerful than many deities in older cultures. If you don't like the Path, fine. Stop trying to say it's not a religion.
I think he was more so stating his opinion there, Bedwyr.
Quote from: Bedwyr on September 17, 2011, 11:00:21 PM
The fact that Koli chose to use the existing deity-level entities in his religion rather than making up others does not mean that the Manifest Path is not a religion, and I get really tired of that.
Daimon Lords are more powerful than many deities in older cultures. If you don't like the Path, fine. Stop trying to say it's not a religion.
And anyone who thinks that the Manifest Path is actually based on logic has bought Koli's propaganda. I can name a half dozen logical fallacies on every page of the tMP wiki that completely invalidate every facet of the religion. The best analogue would be some of the math/religion cults. Look up Pythagoras, for instance. Supposedly, everything was based on math. In actuality? Total bull!@#$.
I mean... I understand it's technically a religion but it's just too perfectly molded to be a political tool (which is the reason it appealed to the all the religion haters in Fissoa) in the sense that it doesn't make anyone have to change anything they are currently doing. It basically boils down to:
make your realm bigger. It's kind of (I don't want to draw the parallel too close) like deism: a rejection of the connotations of god while maintaing that god exists.
Anyway, thats my personal beef. I like JPierre's wording of a "handicap" religion in that while the religion can hold you back politically it will add tremendously to the atmosphere.
I don't really want to make a big deal out of it: I trust that you're a genuine dude, Bedwyr 8)
Would be cool if Shin joined it :) Skyndarbau's pragmatism versus Shin's superstition. I like :)
And also, I have weakened my viewpoints somewhat. Another character of mine even is part of a real religion, now :P
Quote from: Shane "Shenron" O'neil on September 18, 2011, 01:35:23 PM
I mean... I understand it's technically a religion but it's just too perfectly molded to be a political tool (which is the reason it appealed to the all the religion haters in Fissoa) in the sense that it doesn't make anyone have to change anything they are currently doing. It basically boils down to: make your realm bigger. It's kind of (I don't want to draw the parallel too close) like deism: a rejection of the connotations of god while maintaing that god exists.
Anyway, thats my personal beef. I like JPierre's wording of a "handicap" religion in that while the religion can hold you back politically it will add tremendously to the atmosphere.
I don't really want to make a big deal out of it: I trust that you're a genuine dude, Bedwyr 8)
A religion that doubts the power of deities isn't a handicap on a continent DOMINATED by a power religion? Yes the path uses logic, fortunetly it is about as logical as the Christian logic and proofs of the middle ages. Think the tests to prove witchcraft and you are somewhat close to the logic of the path. Christian logic mostly tried to create frameworks around existing superstitious beliefs, tMP does the same thing.
Quote from: Shane "Shenron" O'neil on September 18, 2011, 01:35:23 PM
I mean... I understand it's technically a religion but it's just too perfectly molded to be a political tool (which is the reason it appealed to the all the religion haters in Fissoa) in the sense that it doesn't make anyone have to change anything they are currently doing. It basically boils down to: make your realm bigger. It's kind of (I don't want to draw the parallel too close) like deism: a rejection of the connotations of god while maintaing that god exists.
PeL, LN, and Fissoa (if/when Skyndarbau actually joins) are going to have to declare war on Asylon and try to wipe out Cordatus Bestiarium sometime, and we'll have to start working against anyone selling food the the Zuma and eventually try to build up a coalition to fight them. If
that isn't a handicap, even leaving aside the fact that we're at least nominally against the Bloodstars, then I don't know what is.
Cordatus Beasterium is not the official religion of Asylon. It is one of many.
Quote from: Glaumring on September 19, 2011, 06:27:17 AM
Cordatus Beasterium is not the official religion of Asylon. It is one of many.
Do you harbour the foul worshipper of Diamons within your borders? Cause if so you are all guilty of undermining Humanities security whether you partake in the worship directly or not. See how it works? Kinda like the laws against harbouring a fugitive.
It's all bluff and bluster for now. I would be very interested in seeing an army march up to Asylon from the south east. All those realms combined could theoretically send a few well supplied units making a good raiding force. You would have to go for one critical strike. It would be fun to watch.
Quote from: dustole on September 19, 2011, 07:26:00 AM
It's all bluff and bluster for now. I would be very interested in seeing an army march up to Asylon from the south east. All those realms combined could theoretically send a few well supplied units making a good raiding force. You would have to go for one critical strike. It would be fun to watch.
Or we try and set up a colony near the heathen swine, which would be almost as much fun to watch.
Quote from: Bedwyr on September 19, 2011, 06:09:39 AM
PeL, LN, and Fissoa (if/when Skyndarbau actually joins) are going to have to declare war on Asylon and try to wipe out Cordatus Bestiarium sometime, and we'll have to start working against anyone selling food the the Zuma and eventually try to build up a coalition to fight them. If that isn't a handicap, even leaving aside the fact that we're at least nominally against the Bloodstars, then I don't know what is.
Quote from: De-Legro on September 19, 2011, 12:42:46 AM
A religion that doubts the power of deities isn't a handicap on a continent DOMINATED by a power religion? Yes the path uses logic, fortunetly it is about as logical as the Christian logic and proofs of the middle ages. Think the tests to prove witchcraft and you are somewhat close to the logic of the path. Christian logic mostly tried to create frameworks around existing superstitious beliefs, tMP does the same thing.
I'm speaking much more broadly here. I'm saying that the core philosophy of The Manifest Path doesn't really require it's potential followers to change much at all. I want a religion to be a handicap on the very way that you are allowed to discuss things.
Thats all I mean.
Quote from: Shane "Shenron" O'neil on September 19, 2011, 07:39:12 AM
I'm speaking much more broadly here. I'm saying that the core philosophy of The Manifest Path doesn't really require it's potential followers to change much at all. I want a religion to be a handicap on the very way that you are allowed to discuss things.
Thats all I mean.
What an odd statement. You have based this of course on the observation of the behaviour of the membership, and not just on a basic reading of what little info is available on the wiki of course?
Quote from: De-Legro on September 19, 2011, 07:54:55 AM
What an odd statement. You have based this of course on the observation of the behaviour of the membership, and not just on a basic reading of what little info is available on the wiki of course?
From what I've seen in Fissoa anyway yeah.
Wait a minute am I sensing douche-tone here? If I am then lets just stop speaking: I am tired of discussions going in this direction.
Well, I have no intentions to classify the Manifest Path as anything, but I don't think it covers what I meant by "handicap".
While considering the Zuma evil and unacceptable would be a big-time handicap in the Maroccidens and Far East, threatening your very safety, in the Lurias it is not more than an oddity. We can publicly curse the Zuma at will, and nothing will happen, they won't send a Daimon army all the way here (though that /would/ be interesting... :p). Regarding being opposed to the Astroists, in theory which religion isn't? And the MP is not opposed to them to the point of considering enemies like the Daimons, or we would have seen different diplomatic relations with Morek. So, yea, so far I don't really see serious handicaps.
What I mean with handicaps were more like random superstitions that actually harm a character's goals. Focusing on a very-long-term plan on colonizing its way to the Zuma is not very harming, it is actually a goal or fuel for its own goals. And it is easily avoidable by considering the Flow Peninsula or the Divide are also not hosting civilized humanity. I meant something more like an army not daring pass through a region before a priest/druid sanctifies it for considering the grounds cursed or before the stars in a menacing position change, a character making random handicapping vows for personal reasons, a unit refusing to stay in any other place than in the front with max retreat options to show courage and such, a Lord unnecessarily hanging rebells in his region because he saw signs of heresy or messages from above indicating so. RP-rich options that do not necessarily go well with power-gaming or simply max-efficiency gaming.
Quote from: JPierreD on September 19, 2011, 01:11:50 PM
Well, I have no intentions to classify the Manifest Path as anything, but I don't think it covers what I meant by "handicap".
While considering the Zuma evil and unacceptable would be a big-time handicap in the Maroccidens and Far East, threatening your very safety, in the Lurias it is not more than an oddity. We can publicly curse the Zuma at will, and nothing will happen, they won't send a Daimon army all the way here (though that /would/ be interesting... :p). Regarding being opposed to the Astroists, in theory which religion isn't? And the MP is not opposed to them to the point of considering enemies like the Daimons, or we would have seen different diplomatic relations with Morek. So, yea, so far I don't really see serious handicaps.
What I mean with handicaps were more like random superstitions that actually harm a character's goals. Focusing on a very-long-term plan on colonizing its way to the Zuma is not very harming, it is actually a goal or fuel for its own goals. And it is easily avoidable by considering the Flow Peninsula or the Divide are also not hosting civilized humanity. I meant something more like an army not daring pass through a region before a priest/druid sanctifies it for considering the grounds cursed or before the stars in a menacing position change, a character making random handicapping vows for personal reasons, a unit refusing to stay in any other place than in the front with max retreat options to show courage and such, a Lord unnecessarily hanging rebells in his region because he saw signs of heresy or messages from above indicating so. RP-rich options that do not necessarily go well with power-gaming or simply max-efficiency gaming.
They sent an army to Summerdale because the "Demon Prince" was there, I believe. You aren't out of reach.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on September 19, 2011, 02:24:35 PM
They sent an army to Summerdale because the "Demon Prince" was there, I believe. You aren't out of reach.
The Zuma? Garrett made some noises about that, but I don't recall an army actually making its way there. Where did it go through, roundabout through Valkyrja?
Up and over the sea, if I do recall. Literally.
Really? How many CS?
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on September 19, 2011, 02:24:35 PMThey sent an army to Summerdale because the "Demon Prince" was there, I believe.
They never sent the army. They were very explicit that the war declaration was a formality only, and that they had no intention of attacking. That's not to say that they couldn't send an army, if they wanted to. They just didn't want to.
Quote from: Indirik on September 19, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
They never sent the army. They were very explicit that the war declaration was a formality only, and that they had no intention of attacking. That's not to say that they couldn't send an army, if they wanted to. They just didn't want to.
That's also what I remember.
I don't ever remember a Zuma army marching farther than perhaps Paisly.
Quote from: Indirik on September 19, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
They never sent the army. They were very explicit that the war declaration was a formality only, and that they had no intention of attacking. That's not to say that they couldn't send an army, if they wanted to. They just didn't want to.
I must be remembering it wrong then. Still, don't think you're out of reach just because you're on the other side of the continent.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on September 19, 2011, 05:11:21 PM
I must be remembering it wrong then. Still, don't think you're out of reach just because you're on the other side of the continent.
Hah, what if the Zuma JOINED the Véinsørmoot?
Bring it Lurian Empire.
Quote from: Perth on September 19, 2011, 06:50:59 PM
Hah, what if the Zuma JOINED the Véinsørmoot?
Bring it Lurian Empire.
We'd win. 'nough said.
Quote from: Perth on September 19, 2011, 06:50:59 PM
Hah, what if the Zuma JOINED the Véinsørmoot?
Bring it Lurian Empire.
Ambassador Garret has observer status--the same as nobles from Avrundil and Madina, fyi. But the daimons have no interest in human politics.
Quote from: egamma on September 19, 2011, 07:59:39 PM
Ambassador Garret has observer status--the same as nobles from Avrundil and Madina, fyi. But the daimons have no interest in human politics.
Would be cool to see the Zuma show up in the MadAurvandil Conflict and simply crush both sides :P
Quote from: Shizzle on September 19, 2011, 08:58:19 PM
Would be cool to see the Zuma show up in the MadAurvandil Conflict and simply crush both sides :P
*Zuma burn the Marrocidens and the Southern Island down* "You talk too much!"
Quote from: Ramiel on September 19, 2011, 07:05:07 PM
We'd win. 'nough said.
Lol. yeeeaahhh.
I just looked at a scout report of Underroot. They is ONE unit of Daimons sitting there that has 10,000 CS. That's their monster control...
Quote from: Perth on September 20, 2011, 03:56:46 AM
Lol. yeeeaahhh.
I just looked at a scout report of Underroot. They is ONE unit of Daimons sitting there that has 10,000 CS. That's their monster control...
Damn, how many units?
Quote from: Perth on September 20, 2011, 03:56:46 AM
Lol. yeeeaahhh.
I just looked at a scout report of Underroot. They is ONE unit of Daimons sitting there that has 10,000 CS. That's their monster control...
Send it to the full members of the 'moot.
Quote from: Perth on September 20, 2011, 08:19:43 AM
One unit, 110 daimons.
~100CS per Daimon? Nasty... But I still would like to see them traveling all the way to Giask. If they do, then I'll make a speech, something starting with "we'll fight them on the shores!". :P
Quote from: JPierreD on September 20, 2011, 10:20:20 AM
~100CS per Daimon? Nasty... But I still would like to see them traveling all the way to Giask. If they do, then I'll make a speech, something starting with "we'll fight them on the shores!". :P
If Daimons ever turned up in Luria, you can be guaranteed who I would be blaming it on and starting a nice Holy War and Inquisition on! ;)
Assuming, of course, they left anything behind still standing.
Quote from: Ramiel on September 20, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
If Daimons ever turned up in Luria, you can be guaranteed who I would be blaming it on and starting a nice Holy War and Inquisition on! ;)
Haters gonna hate. ::)
Quote from: Ramiel on September 20, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
If Daimons ever turned up in Luria, you can be guaranteed who I would be blaming it on and starting a nice Holy War and Inquisition on! ;)
Do that if you wish, but at that point, I don't think anyone will really care much for your holy war.
Boy would it ever be a pity if the Zuma were told that the Lurians want to exterminate them... Giask is much closer than Summerdale/Libero/whoever was.
Quote from: Chénier on September 20, 2011, 05:40:49 PM
Do that if you wish, but at that point, I don't think anyone will really care much for your holy war.
Boy would it ever be a pity if the Zuma were told that the Lurians want to exterminate them... Giask is much closer than Summerdale/Libero/whoever was.
Time to start a Zuma worship religion!
Quote from: D`Este on September 20, 2011, 05:53:06 PM
Time to start a Zuma worship religion!
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Cordatus_Bestiarium
Quote from: Chénier on September 20, 2011, 05:40:49 PM
Do that if you wish, but at that point, I don't think anyone will really care much for your holy war.
Boy would it ever be a pity if the Zuma were told that the Lurians want to exterminate them... Giask is much closer than Summerdale/Libero/whoever was.
Sounds fun, it would at least ensure we don't have to worry about TMP for a while don't you think.
Quote from: De-Legro on September 21, 2011, 01:03:06 AM
Sounds fun, it would at least ensure we don't have to worry about TMP for a while don't you think.
For a brief period, maybe. 8)
I am confident in my abilities to preform numerous personal tactical withdrawals whilst 'directing' said Holy War ;)
Quote from: Ramiel on September 21, 2011, 02:40:34 AM
I am confident in my abilities to preform numerous personal tactical withdrawals whilst 'directing' said Holy War ;)
I was going to wittingly respond asking, "Would you declare a holy war on your own religious sect?" since, to Katerina's knowledge, Torpius wants to integrate the Path of the Gods in Aetheris Pyrism. I then thought to myself, this will just give you more incentive to call him a heretic, since he's "bending" the true beliefs of the PotG.
XD Holy war it is then!
Quote from: Chénier on September 21, 2011, 01:21:39 AM
For a brief period, maybe. 8)
About the time it takes for them to die.
Quote from: Vellos on September 21, 2011, 10:37:21 PM
About the time it takes for them to die.
You must admit though, it would be a permanent solution to any TMP problems.
Quote from: Vellos on September 21, 2011, 10:37:21 PM
About the time it takes for them to die.
Ah, but you forget! I have super secret dev powers, so Tom will totally change the game code to let my realm win.
No, he only does that for Sanguis Astroism. Or did I miss the memo about him expanding that to other "dev realms"? ::)
Quote from: Bedwyr on September 22, 2011, 02:26:04 AM
Ah, but you forget! I have super secret dev powers, so Tom will totally change the game code to let my realm win.
Quote from: Indirik on September 22, 2011, 02:30:19 AM
No, he only does that for Sanguis Astroism. Or did I miss the memo about him expanding that to other "dev realms"? ::)
Look at them! Now openly flaunting it in our faces! The arrogance!
Quote from: Perth on September 22, 2011, 03:04:28 AM
Look at them! Now openly flaunting it in our faces! The arrogance!
Can't win them? Join them.
Is YOUR realm dev-protected? Buy dev-insurance now! First 5 customers will gain a free noblebot that moves in perfect synchrony with the others. Perfect for your power army, they come in 10 different colors (no girly colors, do not insist). Call us now!
Quote from: JPierreD on September 22, 2011, 05:53:10 AM
Can't win them? Join them.
Is YOUR realm dev-protected? Buy dev-insurance now! First 5 customers will gain a free noblebot that moves in perfect synchrony with the others. Perfect for your power army, they come in 10 different colors (no girly colors, do not insist). Call us now!
I want a unicorn mount!
Quote from: egamma on September 22, 2011, 08:24:06 PM
I want a unicorn mount!
We'll have you check that with our Manhood Department. You will be briefly contacted with the answer.
Quote from: JPierreD on September 22, 2011, 08:43:01 PM
We'll have you check that with our Manhood Department. You will be briefly contacted with the answer.
err...I meant a hippo-griffin.
I'm not sure that would have helped in that Department, but we'll see what we can do.
damn those mystical, phallic beasties!
Fine! I want a sea-nymph!
Quote from: Arundel on September 21, 2011, 05:55:06 AM
I was going to wittingly respond asking, "Would you declare a holy war on your own religious sect?" since, to Katerina's knowledge, Torpius wants to integrate the Path of the Gods in Aetheris Pyrism. I then thought to myself, this will just give you more incentive to call him a heretic, since he's "bending" the true beliefs of the PotG.
XD Holy war it is then!
Exactly, I finally get to call someone a Heretic seriously!! May even be doing the first one since tMP may not be holding PotG Holy Sites as sacred and letting them heathens in the north take one of them!
Hey Torpius, it's Rhino!
I agree with some of the original responses that superstitions are much more fun and suitable for the relative time period in actual human history. The rituals both before and after battle make a very nice touch. It would also provide great immersion into the characters.
Also, adding 'Flame Paladin' as a title is pretty cool.
Quote from: bearhammer on September 27, 2011, 03:32:43 AM
Hey Torpius, it's Rhino!
I agree with some of the original responses that superstitions are much more fun and suitable for the relative time period in actual human history. The rituals both before and after battle make a very nice touch. It would also provide great immersion into the characters.
Also, adding 'Flame Paladin' as a title is pretty cool.
Heya, good to see you in the forums. :)
The religion can always use new rituals, perhaps you could RP some IC, after which we would add them to the wiki. What do you think about it?
The title 'Flame Paladin' does exist actually: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Aetheris_Pyrism/Ranks
The title has a hefty cost, but would be worth the gold if one could spare it.
Unfortunately, the duke Rhino just swore an oath to is a figurehead of "The Path." It should be interesting to see how it works out for him.
Actually looking at these ranks, is Fire "Profet" an intentional misspelling?
Typo, fixed. IG it was correct.
Quote from: JPierreD on September 27, 2011, 07:07:40 AM
Typo, fixed. IG it was correct.
Oh ok. I thought it might have norse origins or something haha ;D
I am open to suggestions if you want to add a little flavor. :)
Haha, I'm not so fussy about the names. The real fun is when we can attach meaning to them through RP. It's annoying I can't even get my character to join yet... damn geography!
That's why I've been expending my creative energy on images for the religion to develop some kind like... imagery for the roleplays that I plan on doing. I like imagining what the actual temples, banners, priest costumes etc would look like.
And I must say there are some very cool banners in there. Great work, btw!
Quote from: JPierreD on September 27, 2011, 11:22:16 AM
And I must say there are some very cool banners in there. Great work, btw!
Thanks man! ;D
Can't wait to get some RPs done too.
I just got around to really looking over this stuff on the Wiki... looks really nice. Very interesting and very well organized and presented.
Quote from: Perth on September 28, 2011, 09:07:46 AM
I just got around to really looking over this stuff on the Wiki... looks really nice. Very interesting and very well organized and presented.
Thanks, any contributions, suggestions or critics are very welcome.
Introducing AP's newest and most bad-ass God: The Devourer... Pathroq, God of Destruction!
And he has already been worshiped plentifully. :)
On another note, it's been a while since anything has been said here... tMP is dead so AP is finally the only real Lurian religion! Only a few star worshippers remain in that weird Northern realm. :)
Ironically, what Koli dreamed of and Torpius didn't. Now the Devourer will likely not be very welcomed very well by the Tyrists once they learn about him...
Which won't take very long anymore... brooding on an army in his honour. :)
I think our Gods are growing as fast as our followers. Pathroq and Calanthe appeared in the last month or so. The two couldn't be more different, mind you.
Quote from: JPierreD on May 02, 2012, 06:37:50 PM
Ironically, what Koli dreamed of and Torpius didn't. Now the Devourer will likely not be very welcomed very well by the Tyrists once they learn about him...
Not just the Tyrists - I can't imagine anyone being
enthused at something called "The Devourer". Its not exactly the cheeriest, most welcoming of gods. Then again, not that I can really speak, Nalucht isn't exactly a welcoming figure either :D
Quote from: Lorgan on May 02, 2012, 06:41:25 PM
Which won't take very long anymore... brooding on an army in his honour. :)
Ah, so that's what the mounting terror in the back of my mind was. An Army of the Devourer, wonderful.
The Devourer isn't that bad. Hemaism has a god named the Destroyer, and Sint has an army named the Arm of the Destroyer.
Quote from: Indirik on May 02, 2012, 09:52:56 PM
The Devourer isn't that bad. Hemaism has a god named the Destroyer, and Sint has an army named the Arm of the Destroyer.
This is a slippery slope: first the Devourer is ok, then the Annihilator, then the Destroyer and so on. Where does it end, I ask you!
Serious inquiry though - does anyone know what happened to the Tyrist synod? I thought we were supposed to have one somewhere down the line.
Quote from: Madigan on May 03, 2012, 05:13:52 PM
Serious inquiry though - does anyone know what happened to the Tyrist synod? I thought we were supposed to have one somewhere down the line.
The ball is in the Tyrists' court. If they don't step up and share their beliefs for the Church to approve or disapprove them there is not much we can do. So for now their Gods are not part of our official pantheon, nor are their beliefs part of ours.
The Devourer would kick the Destroyer's ass any day!
Quote from: Lorgan on May 03, 2012, 05:36:30 PM
The Devourer would kick the Destroyer's ass any day!
Aetheris Pyrism suddenly becomes the religion of picking fights. "My God would beat up yours" is the new "My dad is stronger than your dad".
Quote from: JPierreD on May 03, 2012, 05:29:36 PM
The ball is in the Tyrists' court. If they don't step up and share their beliefs for the Church to approve or disapprove them there is not much we can do. So for now their Gods are not part of our official pantheon, nor are their beliefs part of ours.
Well, I hope they hurry and respond. I could use more religion chatter and things seem to be very quiet unless someone is seeing a God or I'm chopping off a finger.
Quote from: Madigan on May 03, 2012, 09:20:46 PM
Well, I hope they hurry and respond. I could use more religion chatter and things seem to be very quiet unless someone is seeing a God or I'm chopping off a finger.
Well, I have been RPing a good share in Solaria, but I usually do that kind of thing in private, directly with the involved ones, and post it later to the wiki, either to the Aetheris Pyrism/Roleplays or to my character's page. Something tells me in the near future we'll have a good increase in RPing, anyway...
This thread just makes me want to incorporate my old Arkhan'a religion into BM even more. :P Based off of Greek, Norse, Sumerian and Egyptian mythology with a few interesting twists, the religion itself is rife with rivalry. Every follower respects each of the pantheon's deities, yet like in many ancient polytheistic nations, individual nations, regions, and city-states tend to favor one god or goddess over another.
Hell, my entire proposed 3-part Fantasy novel series was effectively the war of the gods utterly f*cking the world to the point where mortal kind had to choose sides, which others went so far as to aspire to destroy the gods themselves. (With the help of certain ambitious and devious gods willing to trick mortals into becoming their champions, effectively recruiting living weapons with which to fell their own kind in their covetous desires. ;) )
I find SA to be too ''united" in its approach. That's why I prefer pre-Monotheistic religions where the dynamics were THERE. You had a proper spiritual reason and various major schools of thought that were complete anathema to one another, rather than the post-Christian 'we all believe in the same book, story, and god, yet find excuses to fight over minute details some delirious old men wrote in a desert cave a few hundred years ago', heh.
If SA is the equivalent of medieval Catholicism, I want to create an old-school panen/polytheistic system to rival that of the old heathens. It'll be one hell of a fun RP!
Quote from: Ehndras on June 08, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
This thread just makes me want to incorporate my old Arkhan'a religion into BM even more. :P Based off of Greek, Norse, Sumerian and Egyptian mythology with a few interesting twists, the religion itself is rife with rivalry. Every follower respects each of the pantheon's deities, yet like in many ancient polytheistic nations, individual nations, regions, and city-states tend to favor one god or goddess over another.
Hell, my entire proposed 3-part Fantasy novel series was effectively the war of the gods utterly f*cking the world to the point where mortal kind had to choose sides, which others went so far as to aspire to destroy the gods themselves. (With the help of certain ambitious and devious gods willing to trick mortals into becoming their champions, effectively recruiting living weapons with which to fell their own kind in their covetous desires. ;) )
I find SA to be too ''united" in its approach. That's why I prefer pre-Monotheistic religions where the dynamics were THERE. You had a proper spiritual reason and various major schools of thought that were complete anathema to one another, rather than the post-Christian 'we all believe in the same book, story, and god, yet find excuses to fight over minute details some delirious old men wrote in a desert cave a few hundred years ago', heh.
If SA is the equivalent of medieval Catholicism, I want to create an old-school panen/polytheistic system to rival that of the old heathens. It'll be one hell of a fun RP!
Go for it, this sounds like fun. I have always rather enjoyed the religion game in those rare instances in BM where it is vibrant. If you manage to get this off the ground somewhere, let me know...
No problem!
Let me dust off my old notes next week. I'd start throwing ideas around this weekend but I have 2 concerts to go to so I'm going to be exhausted and drunk for most of the foreseeable future.
Quote from: Ehndras on June 08, 2012, 04:57:48 PMI find SA to be too ''united" in its approach. That's why I prefer pre-Monotheistic religions where the dynamics were THERE. You had a proper spiritual reason and various major schools of thought that were complete anathema to one another, rather than the post-Christian 'we all believe in the same book, story, and god, yet find excuses to fight over minute details some delirious old men wrote in a desert cave a few hundred years ago', heh.
Hmm.. have you been in SA yet? We only look united from the outside. :)
Unfortunately, with the way that religion in BattleMaster works, it is really hard, if not impossible, to have individual sects. the game treats everyone in a religion the exact same. There is no way to have individual message groups, parallel rank structures, assign followers to sects, etc.
This is also one of the few things that disappoints me about the way religion has evolved in BattleMaster. So far as I know, there are really few, or no, cases where you have a common theology that split into multiple related religions. I understand that one side of the Sartnina/Adgharhinist split acknowledges the other as worshiping the same god. But I never really got any sense of that in-game, other than a brief nod to it in some basic background explanation. It never really seemed to have any effect in-game. I would really like to see something where we end up with multiple religions all worshiping the same god, or each worshiping a different god of the same pantheon.
I suppose this is because it is so hard to schism, you're starting from ground zero every time. And most likely because just about everyone who starts a religion has their own new, original idea they want to try. It would be nice to see people take the existing theologies and go with them. The religious scene then may not look so fractured and piecemeal.
The Duke of Greyhold is joining the church once he gets off his bum and makes it to a temple. Hooray polytheists!
Hmm, I'd have no problem fragmenting my pantheon into multiple churches, though due to in-game mechanics that's more of a handicap than a gameplay strategy. If a re-write was ever made allowing branches/chapters within a religion or group of religions (Sort of like diplomacy for religion I guess), then that'd be one thing. The current system rewards clumping of power... Perhaps if new mechanics were added, giving individual benefits for BOTH a build-up of numbers/followers/powers AND a more nomadic/loose/isolated religion system, since realistically each has their ups and downs, then it would make the religious systems much more interesting.
In the end, it mostly boils down to having the time, patience, and skill to make a religion and run it without getting bored or frustrated. Hence why I'm going to become a Priest when I get a chance, have a little fun on the side. ;)
Quote from: Indirik on June 08, 2012, 05:41:37 PM
This is also one of the few things that disappoints me about the way religion has evolved in BattleMaster.
I think a lot of people feel this way.
Hence why now is the perfect time to give the religion system a makeover; we've already been getting some major makeovers to some big facets of the game recently.
New Estates, New Trade System, New Takeovers.... New Religion!
Quote from: Perth on June 08, 2012, 10:55:22 PM
I think a lot of people feel this way.
Hence why now is the perfect time to give the religion system a makeover; we've already been getting some major makeovers to some big facets of the game recently.
New Estates, New Trade System, New Takeovers.... New Religion!
+1
Religious schisms have been on the TODO list for a few years now, and there is at least an informal plan to accomplish this by creating sects within a religion, which can then essentially secede from the parent religion and form their own.
Not going to happen immediately, though.
Quote from: Anaris on June 08, 2012, 11:13:53 PM
Religious schisms have been on the TODO list for a few years now, and there is at least an informal plan to accomplish this by creating sects within a religion, which can then essentially secede from the parent religion and form their own.
Not going to happen immediately, though.
Take your time. Quality of quantity, I say.
Quote from: Ehndras on June 08, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
This thread just makes me want to incorporate my old Arkhan'a religion into BM even more. :P Based off of Greek, Norse, Sumerian and Egyptian mythology with a few interesting twists, the religion itself is rife with rivalry. Every follower respects each of the pantheon's deities, yet like in many ancient polytheistic nations, individual nations, regions, and city-states tend to favor one god or goddess over another.
This is basically AP. Admittedly I did focus more on Slavic, Germanic, Uralic and Greco-Roman mythologies, plus some Shintoist influence, but it is also intended to be open ended, so that anyone that wants to add into the mix is able to. Each noble has its own deities with which he has a "blood" relationship (from whose's essence his soul was made of), and naturally favors. Besides those whose relationship with the divine goes through more shamanistic traditions.
Quote from: Ehndras on June 08, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
Hell, my entire proposed 3-part Fantasy novel series was effectively the war of the gods utterly f*cking the world to the point where mortal kind had to choose sides, which others went so far as to aspire to destroy the gods themselves. (With the help of certain ambitious and devious gods willing to trick mortals into becoming their champions, effectively recruiting living weapons with which to fell their own kind in their covetous desires. ;) )
That is interesting, and I had envisioned something quite alike: each god in AP serves its own purposes, which usually conflict with each other, but they were (and are) sort of forced to cooperate to create and maintain our world (for more info on why see our creation myth). While aspiring to destroy the gods would be madness (like an ant aspiring to destroy the sun), the presence of other kinds of spirits (not necessarily benign to us) dwelling both in the spiritual and mortal worlds sort of matches your last phrase.
Of course there is a lot unsaid, and that is completely intended, for no god or priest who serves him would likely spill out the whole truth when it might work against him.
That said if you decide to create such kind of religion it would be awesome. The interaction between our two cults and characters would probably render very fun RPs.
Indeed! :) I just made a new noble in Arcaea, but they're at peace after a long war campaign. I might just emigrate this new character to Bellua and start my life as a polypantheistic priest. ;)
Someone remind me where you said I'd be welcome to start up my religion? >_>
Hmm, just finished reading Aetheris Pyrism and Omni Veritas. I like Aetheris' general feeling, but Omni's ironfisted system is absolutely epic. ;) Very Warhammer, I like that.
As soon as I find out who will harbor a spiritual madman such as myself, I'll send my noble over and get to work. 8)
I take it you mean Omni Amor Veritas. Did it ever see the light? I know it currently doesn't exist. The player who made it helped a lot with of Aetheris Pyrism, making most of its art, being its first non-founder elder and priest, and building which is still the largest temple of the religion.
I don't think it exists. <_< Yeah, the Amor just sounds tacky though. All Love (In) Truth? I think Omni Veritas (All-Truth, roughly) sounds more badass and fitting of the Lore written for it. ;)
Quote from: Ehndras on June 15, 2012, 01:05:05 AM
Indeed! :) I just made a new noble in Arcaea, but they're at peace after a long war campaign. I might just emigrate this new character to Bellua and start my life as a polypantheistic priest. ;)
Don't abandon Arcaea just yet. It's true, we finally have the time to colonise our conquests after some 18 RL months of near-constant war, but battle is rarely far away for Arcaea. I see at least two wars already on the horizon.
Thread split here:
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2625.0.html (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2625.0.html)
Put up a thread for my Polytheistic Fantasy religion discussion, advice and suggestions appreciated. :)
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2639.msg60288.html#msg60288 (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2639.msg60288.html#msg60288)