Something I have wondered about for some time, why are priests unable to see the Local Lords Faith?
They used to be able to. Don't really know why it was removed at some point.
It was probably an oversight that happened when priests lost the ability to see the troops in the region. Not exactly sure how/when it happened. I really don't think it was intentional.
Quote from: Indirik on October 17, 2011, 05:41:51 PM
It was probably an oversight that happened when priests lost the ability to see the troops in the region. Not exactly sure how/when it happened. I really don't think it was intentional.
I just noticed this recently and thought it had to do with the new estates. Weird.
Priests (dunno about the other classes) can now see them in the Scout Reports, same as the troops, but not on the regular region page.
lol, I thought it was an intentional change. It is there at least for a month or two maybe three.
bug.. reported 3 months ago.
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quite funny, i thought the whole thing was removed for everyone, but tim said it worked for his non- priest.. then i noticed my non-priest can see it too.
Quote from: Indirik on October 17, 2011, 05:41:51 PM
It was probably an oversight that happened when priests lost the ability to see the troops in the region. Not exactly sure how/when it happened. I really don't think it was intentional.
If I knew it wasn't intentional, I would have said something earlier. The first time I noticed it was months back.
But I hope it can be fixed.
Can't see faith of local Lord? Not a name you recognise from your faith? BURN THE HEATHEN! BURN HIM NOW! Or politely sway him to the true path, whatever floats your boat...
you can't even see your own faith if you are priest lord.. XD
Quote from: fodder on October 18, 2011, 02:51:38 PM
you can't even see your own faith if you are priest lord.. XD
Nathan meant for you to look at the local lord's name, then look at your religion message group, and see if you can find him.
Yes, however, if you try to "politely sway him to the true path" it would be a waste of time if you are talking to a Lord that adheres an evil faith. ;)
Quote from: Galvez on October 18, 2011, 04:55:50 PM
Yes, however, if you try to "politely sway him to the true path" it would be a waste of time if you are talking to a Lord that adheres an evil faith. ;)
Depends--he could be bribable.
Quote from: egamma on October 18, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
Depends--he could be bribable.
Or could have you arrested and burned at the stakes too. Just saying.
Quote from: Chénier on October 19, 2011, 12:55:46 AM
Or could have you arrested and burned at the stakes too. Just saying.
An excellent start to a religious war!
Local Lord not same faith with your priest? Burn down his estate, cast him off. Use your many followers to proclaim you as the new lord ;)
By the way, it is not possible to see local lord faith. From what I can see with my priestess, she can see all the region knights. She can burn down their estates and cause them landless. Have not opportunity to try this, how does your realm feel having a berserker priest running amok and causing chaos throughout the lands? ;D
Quote from: Ketchum on October 20, 2011, 04:22:59 AM
Local Lord not same faith with your priest? Burn down his estate, cast him off. Use your many followers to proclaim you as the new lord ;)
By the way, it is not possible to see local lord faith. From what I can see with my priestess, she can see all the region knights. She can burn down their estates and cause them landless. Have not opportunity to try this, how does your realm feel having a berserker priest running amok and causing chaos throughout the lands? ;D
I was warned for that once. Didn't do it again.
Quote from: Ketchum on October 20, 2011, 04:22:59 AM
Local Lord not same faith with your priest? Burn down his estate, cast him off. Use your many followers to proclaim you as the new lord ;)
By the way, it is not possible to see local lord faith. From what I can see with my priestess, she can see all the region knights. She can burn down their estates and cause them landless. Have not opportunity to try this, how does your realm feel having a berserker priest running amok and causing chaos throughout the lands? ;D
Despite being an elder of VE, I had a VE priest executed once for this. I wasn't pleased seeing a foreign priest using all my hard work against me.
Uh-oh. I dont want my priest die so early :o
If the Local Lord not follow the majority peasants faith in his region, he will have a hard time to maintain the region. Is it possible that Priest can preach to Local Lords?
Quote from: Ketchum on October 24, 2011, 04:24:28 AM
Uh-oh. I dont want my priest die so early :o
If the Local Lord not follow the majority peasants faith in his region, he will have a hard time to maintain the region. Is it possible that Priest can preach to Local Lords?
Sure, send him a letter.
Quote from: Ketchum on October 24, 2011, 04:24:28 AM
Uh-oh. I dont want my priest die so early :o
If the Local Lord not follow the majority peasants faith in his region, he will have a hard time to maintain the region. Is it possible that Priest can preach to Local Lords?
"Hard time"? Not really. A minor inconvenient, that's about it.
Alright. I see people saying "send him a letter!"
Why should priests have to? Warriors can see the religion just find without it. Why do priests suddenly NOT see the lord's religion?
Quote from: Draco Tanos on October 26, 2011, 08:42:50 AM
Alright. I see people saying "send him a letter!"
This was specifically commenting on the question "How to preach to the Lord". Knowing what his religion is is a long stretch from preaching.
No but it is a start. =P
I could see preaching to an "ignore", "variant", or maybe even "misguided" Lord. But "evil"...? Mmm... Not so much. That's more of a "get the taint outta here!" thing.
Quote from: Draco Tanos on October 26, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
No but it is a start. =P
I could see preaching to an "ignore", "variant", or maybe even "misguided" Lord. But "evil"...? Mmm... Not so much. That's more of a "get the taint outta here!" thing.
REPENT! SAVE YOUR SOUL!
Quote from: Chénier on October 28, 2011, 09:49:27 PM
REPENT! SAVE YOUR SOUL!
spittle flies from his mouth as he swings his holy symbol in a strange pattern--left, right, left right, up, down, up, down
Quote from: Draco Tanos on October 26, 2011, 09:52:24 AM
No but it is a start. =P
I could see preaching to an "ignore", "variant", or maybe even "misguided" Lord. But "evil"...? Mmm... Not so much. That's more of a "get the taint outta here!" thing.
If the lord is "evil", we wont say "Repent to the lord". We will burn down his estate for good ;D
By the way, it is hard to convert the lord to your faith. Nobody, especially lords like being told what to do by its own region knight :D For a Priest to send a letter to the lord, it receives a lower chance to convert still. Especially when I meet a lord who dont want join the faith because of another noble already inside the faith :(
It looks like at least in testing Priests don't get the report of other priests preaching nearby (or even in the region you are in).
EDIT: Either I was wrong, or this was fixed.
Quote from: JPierreD on November 01, 2011, 11:47:24 PM
It looks like at least in testing Priests don't get the report of other priests preaching nearby (or even in the region you are in).
EDIT: Either I was wrong, or this was fixed.
I not in testing, I sure about this. Have you try preaching in that region so that at least you got some followers there to tell you that some priest come preaching there? It is worth a try ;)
Quote from: Ketchum on November 14, 2011, 09:36:33 AM
I not in testing, I sure about this. Have you try preaching in that region so that at least you got some followers there to tell you that some priest come preaching there? It is worth a try ;)
I was wrong, I saw it in testing. :)
Quote from: JPierreD on November 14, 2011, 05:44:28 PM
I was wrong, I saw it in testing. :)
You don't get a report 100% of the time, it's random.
Quote from: Ketchum on November 01, 2011, 09:51:58 AM
If the lord is "evil", we wont say "Repent to the lord". We will burn down his estate for good ;D
By the way, it is hard to convert the lord to your faith. Nobody, especially lords like being told what to do by its own region knight :D For a Priest to send a letter to the lord, it receives a lower chance to convert still. Especially when I meet a lord who dont want join the faith because of another noble already inside the faith :(
Depends on the lord, but it can complicate things.
Quote from: Chénier on November 15, 2011, 08:38:36 AM
Depends on the lord, but it can complicate things.
I am considering starting a religious war in Colonies. With enemy realm having my realm followers, why not? the only thing stopping me is my priest is elder priest but the Head Priest is not him :-\
Time to burn all enemy lords unless they convert and bow to my priest. Time to be evil ;D
Quote from: Ketchum on November 16, 2011, 10:17:07 AM
I am considering starting a religious war in Colonies. With enemy realm having my realm followers, why not? the only thing stopping me is my priest is elder priest but the Head Priest is not him :-\
Time to burn all enemy lords unless they convert and bow to my priest. Time to be evil ;D
A true force to be reckoned with is a religion with powerful priests spread out in many powerful uninvolved realms.
After all, the reason the Blood Cult did so much damage to RoF in its later days was because most of the priests came from realms like Fronen who were not actively at war with RoF, and that RoF could not afford to declare war on. The priests were therefore immune to arrest (but not to capture).
Using the faith against a realm yours is at war with, however, has only limited potential due to how easy it is for them to arrest you.
So, it's been claimed on here that not being able to see a Lord's faith is unintentional. Is there any chance this bug could be fixed? I completely understand not seeing troops, what with that making a priest merely a scout in cloth, but if anything, seeing things religion related should be our specialty. :)
I posted this almost 3 months ago, and I believe the first bug report filed about this issue is more than 6 months old, but the problem still excists. And I would be pleased to hear if there was any progress we could be informed about.
Thanks in advance.
It absolutely is intentional. The idea was that people's faith is not something visible, like their unit.
Then again, we do mess with this a little, e.g. population of a region magically knows and reacts. We might re-think it as religion becomes a more important part of the game.
But... anyone *except* a priest can see the local lord's faith... The priest class is the only one that is somehow excluded from it.
Quote from: Indirik on January 11, 2012, 06:41:22 PM
But... anyone *except* a priest can see the local lord's faith... The priest class is the only one that is somehow excluded from it.
Yeah, I figure that's what a number of uncoordinated changes do.
eh? it's not everyone's faith that gets seen. only the lord's
perhaps the lord can have a toggle to show everyone his faith (in return for faith benefit) or not show it.. (eh... does not showing it mean similar penalty to lord having different faith as peasant?)
that said, if the said lord plonked a temple down, then it should automatically be exposed.
Peasants know the faith of their Lord, so if priests can't see it on the first sight, wouldn't they be able to learn it by "Estimate religions..."?
I can hardly believe that a Lord, a man of such standing, could keep his faith a secret. And if he could, everyone would think of him as a pagan.
I think it is also important for the priest game to know with what Lords you are dealing with.
Quote from: Galvez on January 11, 2012, 11:33:44 PM
Peasants know the faith of their Lord, so if priests can't see it on the first sight, wouldn't they be able to learn it by "Estimate religions..."?
Yeah, that's where I was thinking of putting it.
Will the ability to see the local Lord's faith also be removed for other classes as well?
Oh, and now we are talking about this, the following came to mind, a report on Dwilight:
"The Verdis Elementum worshippers support their lord, as he shares their faith."