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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Ketchum on October 19, 2011, 09:21:56 AM
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My adventurer character has destroyed a lot of Unique Items entrusted by the nobles in his realm. End up result, he being beaten up by noble and left on the roadside. :P Got into jail couple of times after being caught. Not really an issue for me, sometime when the noble entrusted the Unique Item to me, the percentage of damage is so high and my adventurer lacking certain item to repair it :-[
Finally faced with execution to his head, by medieval ways of beheading someone head for a crime, my adventurer has to find ways to rise up to become a noble 8)
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trade comon items has become immposible as nobody seems to care about it (atelast on the EC), so is stoped playing my advy.
But i geuss steeling and the such is the most fun thing to do! cheers on you!
PS i tried to steal the King of Caligus his ring and sell it to the ibbies, but i approached the wrong government member who apparently was too stupid.
No way would my character risk his life for 20 gold or so.
A shame because it was a very prestigious item and a big tease to carry in battles against Caligus.
Everytime shouting at the caligans: " Your King is robed by a bloody peasant we hired! what king gets robed by a peasant?"
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That's kind of bad :P Imho it falls outside of IC behavior, and is rather an OOC scam. (?) As such, the action of "stealing a King's item" becomes rather pointless...
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That's kind of bad :P Imho it falls outside of IC behavior, and is rather an OOC scam. (?) As such, the action of "stealing a King's item" becomes rather pointless...
I know it's bad, Davis IS bad :P
How does that fall outside IC behaviour?
It's perfect, a peasant robing a King, how entertaining!
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Hmm, my Adventurer did the same. Sold an unique item with a recommendation, got another unique item to repair in return, ran to another Realm and sold the almost-destroyed unique item to some other Noble for a recommendation, then sneaked off and proved his Nobility with his recommendations. Never got caught for that one, surprisingly.
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Stories like this are why none of my characters bothers with unique items.
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Stories like this are why none of my characters bothers with unique items.
Yeah.
@Nosferatus: those actions wouln't exactly get you a trust medal, would they? Now if you asked me if I wanted my character to get robbed, I'd even agree for the fun of it :P
Though what I stated above doesn't mean I think the behavior should be punished. Just don't complain when I'll 'discriminate' another character of yours, knowing this :)
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The whole setup seems to me to allow the commoner to run away. If Nobles don't take action against that, those peasants will get ideas. You need to do your role as a Noble and enact some guidance. ;) IC betrayal has nothing to do with Trust Medals. What's told here is OOC. It shouldn't have reactions IC.
Plenty of very loyal adventurers out there anyway. And if one does betray you, just make sure to make a good example out of him!
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Yeah.
@Nosferatus: those actions wouln't exactly get you a trust medal, would they? Now if you asked me if I wanted my character to get robbed, I'd even agree for the fun of it :P
Though what I stated above doesn't mean I think the behavior should be punished. Just don't complain when I'll 'discriminate' another character of yours, knowing this :)
I didn't get the joke.
or are you serious for realz? ???
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The whole setup seems to me to allow the commoner to run away.
To a certain extent, yes, I agree.
If Nobles don't take action against that, those peasants will get ideas. You need to do your role as a Noble and enact some guidance. ;)
And I agree with this, too.
However, the reality is that an advy who betrays a noble is almost guaranteed to get away with it, and with no consequences. Nobles are basically powerless to do anything about it, unless the advy happens to be in the same realm, and stupid enough to stay in the same realm.
IC betrayal has nothing to do with Trust Medals. What's told here is OOC. It shouldn't have reactions IC.
Oh, believe me, I've had plenty of IC interactions with advies. I've had advies walk off with items and never come back. Some have gone to other realms, some just disappeared, some just plain deleted or even got killed.
Plenty of very loyal adventurers out there anyway.
Yep. There are.
And if one does betray you, just make sure to make a good example out of him!
See above.
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I disagree with that indirik.
If any commoner starts stealing from any King, any noble should make sure that commoner gets punished or more commoners will try this.
The whole thing about ruling peasants and advies is to make them fear you, to make them feel they would have no where to hide from the nobility wrath.
If they don't fear you, you can never trust them.
It also tells nobles not to trust just any commoner, especially if your the King.
How to get a trusted commoner? figure it out, there many ways.
A guild or a religion could be useful.
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I disagree with that indirik.
If any commoner starts stealing from any King, any noble should make sure that commoner gets punished or more commoners will try this.
The whole thing about ruling peasants and advies is to make them fear you, to make them feel they would have no where to hide from the nobility wrath.
If they don't fear you, you can never trust them.
Indirik's not saying you shouldn't punish advies for stepping out of line.
He's saying it's frequently impossible.
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Indirik's not saying you shouldn't punish advies for stepping out of line.
He's saying it's frequently impossible.
Yes but i am saying it IS possible if most realms would work together to fight this treat to nobility.
If one realm punishes this kind of behavior and the other not, you will get a mayhem, the nobility should never allow such disgrace to there class, friends or foes.
I am also saying not to trust just any commoner, in order to prevent theft.
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Yes but i am saying it IS possible if most realms would work together to fight this treat to nobility.
But they don't, and won't.
Denying reality won't change that reality.
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But they don't, and won't.
Denying reality won't change that reality.
I simply don't know if they would or would not.
If they don't then huray for the thiefs, thats all.
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If any commoner starts stealing from any King, any noble should make sure that commoner gets punished or more commoners will try this.
"should make sure" does not equate to "will make sure". There are many, many players who would rather have their character laugh at the king for losing his shiny bauble to a commoner, than to have that commoner arrested, then have the judge sacrifice his H/P to take the item away, then give it to another commoner to have it delivered back to the enemy king.
Let's ask the question this way:
Have you ever successfully pursued and punished an advy for stealing a unique item from one of your characters? Note that your story must include the advy being pursued to a non-allied realm, where the final resolution involved the advy's execution and/or recovery of the lost item.
How to get a trusted commoner? figure it out, there many ways.
A guild or a religion could be useful.
Really? Wow... who would have ever thought there were ways that you could find a trusted commoner? And using a guild or religion to find one? Damn! Why didn't I ever think of that? :-[
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I thought it was impossible to capture an advy with a noble? Advies move away too quickly. :P
I just capture any advy I find in regions I visit. Not the ones from my realm though. But from other realms, I just throw them in jail.
Does a unique item make much difference in a battle?
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Let's ask the question this way:
Have you ever successfully pursued and punished an advy for stealing a unique item from one of your characters? Note that your story must include the advy being pursued to a non-allied realm, where the final resolution involved the advy's execution and/or recovery of the lost item.
None of my characters ever BEEN robbed, contradicting to yours ;)
But i get your point, the EC seem to not care and your quite frustrated about it.
My characters would perhaps also not get revenge, but it will sure become a hell of a feud, Abbot, Shae or Davis would perhaps try to kill everyone even standing in the way or not cooperating.
Leading to either the death of that thief or my character it self.
I did beat up and arrest lots of advies though.
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Indirik's not saying you shouldn't punish advies for stepping out of line.
He's saying it's frequently impossible.
And usually more embarrassing to the noble than what it's worth.
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But they don't, and won't.
Yeah, they do and have. I can think of two incidents off the top of my head, one on the Far East and one on Atamara. In both cases, an adventurer did something (can't remember what it was, something like taunting a noble) and every realm on the island agreed to hunt them down. The Atamaran one got executed by...The CE, I think? When he had initially offended in Caergoth and then later Carelia, both of whom were at war with the CE. Don't recall what happened on the FEI one, but every Ruler within a week had agreed to issue kill-on-sight orders.
Admittedly, that's not the same as simply being robbed, but it's really not that hard to manufacture appropriate evidence.
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Yeah, they do and have.
Well, sure; some do, and some always will. But unless every feasible exit route for the advy is a realm that will gladly pick him up and execute him for you, many advies will be able to get away with such behaviour.
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Well, sure; some do, and some always will. But unless every feasible exit route for the advy is a realm that will gladly pick him up and execute him for you, many advies will be able to get away with such behaviour.
So you send an army to arrest the advy. The other realm doesn't like it? Well, there's a nice war for you.
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My advy got arrested in the far east. I'm still not sure exactly what he was arrested for.
To set the scene:
I was repairing an item for a duchess. It was quite difficult, and then the duchess offered a rather small amount to him. He decided to run across the border.
I then sent an rp out in the region, saying that I had an item to sell. A knight in the region then randomly arrested me. I sincerely doubt that they had any idea yet that I was holding a stolen item. Perhaps just on principle that a commoner shouldn't be having relics?
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I then sent an rp out in the region, saying that I had an item to sell. A knight in the region then randomly arrested me. I sincerely doubt that they had any idea yet that I was holding a stolen item. Perhaps just on principle that a commoner shouldn't be having relics?
At least as likely, it was just on principle that any commoner talking without first being addressed should be arrested.
Or even that any commoner he notices should be arrested.
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But i get your point, the EC seem to not care and your quite frustrated about it.
Umm,.. no? This is not an island-specific problem. It's a general game-wide issue. If some advy makes off with an item from you, you can't just quickly punish him. Especially if that advy then finds a safe have in some other realm. Specifically a realm you're already at war with. There's plenty of realms that would give an advy shelter if that advy somehow contrived to embarrass the enemy ruler. And it's just too easy for an advy to disappear.
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It's kind of stupid to denounce advies and say that they're irrelevant, and then start a war over one. Now that would be embarrasing!
When an advy steals your item, you need to punish him yourself. Sharing the story with more than your direct peers would do more harm than good
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trade comon items has become immposible as nobody seems to care about it (atelast on the EC), so is stoped playing my advy.
But i geuss steeling and the such is the most fun thing to do! cheers on you!
PS i tried to steal the King of Caligus his ring and sell it to the ibbies, but i approached the wrong government member who apparently was too stupid.
No way would my character risk his life for 20 gold or so.
A shame because it was a very prestigious item and a big tease to carry in battles against Caligus.
Everytime shouting at the caligans: " Your King is robed by a bloody peasant we hired! what king gets robed by a peasant?"
The nobility of Ibladesh has certainly become more tightfisted since I ran my adventurer there. He never got anything less than 100 gold for an item...
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Speaking of trade common items, indeed it is hard to find an adventurer that willing and trusted to exchange common items with you. Even within own realm, the adventurer has either inactive or moved to far away regions for you to be at same region to do the item trade.
I think I annoyed too many realmmates with my advy. When my advy finally became a noble, he was questioned on 2 things.
1) His nobility is questioned.
2) Even though he has been in the realm for more than 1000 days and he has the same right like Noble to participate in the one of the democracy realm, assembly of some sort.
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My advy got arrested in the far east. I'm still not sure exactly what he was arrested for.
To set the scene:
I was repairing an item for a duchess. It was quite difficult, and then the duchess offered a rather small amount to him. He decided to run across the border.
I then sent an rp out in the region, saying that I had an item to sell. A knight in the region then randomly arrested me. I sincerely doubt that they had any idea yet that I was holding a stolen item. Perhaps just on principle that a commoner shouldn't be having relics?
If the Duchess you stole from was Arcaean, then it was widely known that you had stolen the item, and the Judge of the realm you ran to agreed to have you captured and retrieve the item for the Duchess, even though we were at war with the realm :)
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2) Even though he has been in the realm for more than 1000 days and he has the same right like Noble to participate in the one of the democracy realm, assembly of some sort.
What?! are those nobles drunk? a democratic assembly that treats nobles and commoners as equals?
so your ruler will ask in this assembly to a bunch of peasants how to rule his realm?
Concerning item trade, the devs are working on making trade easier, though they said it is put below on the todo list.
Which made me decide to stop playing my character as adventurer.
because there is actually no trade going on, how you hard you try.
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Even if someone was my worst enemy (IG of course) enemy I would still attempt to kill the adventurer who ripped him off just to protect the nobility.
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I've traded a few times succesfully in the past. It's the easiest if you agree to do it regularily, like every winter. Advy guilds are a great help in that.
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What?! are those nobles drunk? a democratic assembly that treats nobles and commoners as equals?
so your ruler will ask in this assembly to a bunch of peasants how to rule his realm?
Concerning item trade, the devs are working on making trade easier, though they said it is put below on the todo list.
Which made me decide to stop playing my character as adventurer.
because there is actually no trade going on, how you hard you try.
Haha, the nobles are not drunk. At least most of the nobles who do not want a not-so-pure noble join the said Democracy Assembly. Although my adventurer already become Noble, his nobility got questioned by many other nobles. Many other nobles who have their fair or unfair share of their Unique Items destroyed by my advy when he was advy and not a Noble. Luckily there is the Ruler sticking his neck out for my advy-who-turned-Noble. :)
Thank you for your hard work on the item trade. I may not come back to play advy for sometime as I have max 3 characters all as Nobles now, including 1 advy who rise up to Noble rank.
I've traded a few times succesfully in the past. It's the easiest if you agree to do it regularily, like every winter. Advy guilds are a great help in that.
Yeah, I like the Advy guild. My advy was part of the Advy guild in Oberndorf before its closing down :'( Posted some nice RolePlay as well at that time before he ascended to nobility :D
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If the Duchess you stole from was Arcaean, then it was widely known that you had stolen the item, and the Judge of the realm you ran to agreed to have you captured and retrieve the item for the Duchess, even though we were at war with the realm :)
Sure, but on exactly the same day?
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Thank you for your hard work on the item trade.
Thanks.
Wait, what did i do? :P
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Zinn was possibly the most reliable adventurer I have ever known. He worked in Xinhai/Morek Empire, though I believe he is gone now.
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Zinn was possibly the most reliable adventurer I have ever known. He worked in Xinhai/Morek Empire, though I believe he is gone now.
Yep, killed by the Saxons. I think he had a higher prestige than many nobles.
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Oh dear. If Gustav Kuriga were to find that out IC, all hell would break loose. They're lucky this is an OOC forum.
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Oh dear. If Gustav Kuriga were to find that out IC, all hell would break loose. They're lucky this is an OOC forum.
... that was about 9 months ago, and all hell had already broken loose by that point. It was public knowledge within SA, Gustav knows this.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Lightstar_Family#Zinn_.28ZEN.29
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I either forgot about it amongst all the fighting, or I just never heard about it.
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I either forgot about it amongst all the fighting, or I just never heard about it.
He was working for Busto and I wrote to SA about his death, if I am not wrong.
In the end in turned out ooc that allison asked him to retrieve something from storms keep and he went there.. with Busto's item still on him.. :'(
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Ah well. I guess Gustav will just have to hunt down the Saxons, one by one.
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Not long ago my advy on Dwilight had three unique items he'd picked up off monsters and went to sell them in D'Hara (they all had cool names, too, like the "Sacred Longsword of Battle"). He RPed to everyone in the region as having put a sign on a local tavern wall offering unique items for sale. Within the day a D'Haran noble had beaten him almost to death (without bothering to send any message at all) and my advy lost all three magic items. It took a week to recover and a half day after that he was arrested by another D'Haran and imprisoned. Escaped after three days and he now spreads the word to all adventurers to avoid D'Hara, lest the same happen to them.
Relevant to the topic? Probably not. I just wanted to tell the story.
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Ah yes, so you were that Adventurer! I believe the consensus (Otherwise it was my character's opinion) was that the Adventurer didn't show he knew his place well enough when he complained about the Noble (A peasant accusing a Noble of robbery and with such a tone!). Not sure if that arrest was a reaction to that, but might have been. D'Hara was so forgiving and gentle though to let you off relatively easy ;) Heh, I was wondering what happened with that. Never really heard much of it afterwards.
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How did you let him off easy? He was arrested and escaped, not let go. He'd already been beaten almost to death. Wasn't really much else you could have done to him.
The arrest was likely a bit of petty revenge. The noble that arrested him happened to have a relation that was king of a realm that one of my other characters was in the process of obliterating. My advy's complaining likely just drew attention to the fact that he was there.
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Well, I meant D'Hara could have tried to get you executed. I was just joking when I said you were let off easy, didn't really mean it :) Your adventurer had no luck in D'Hara, and D'Hara had little reason to care for him.
I don't know much about the arrest, I'll admit. I only know the adventurer ended up in our Dungeons. If he was a Lord, he might have just followed up on a suggestion or two to teach him a lesson.
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Umm,.. no? This is not an island-specific problem. It's a general game-wide issue. If some advy makes off with an item from you, you can't just quickly punish him. Especially if that advy then finds a safe have in some other realm. Specifically a realm you're already at war with. There's plenty of realms that would give an advy shelter if that advy somehow contrived to embarrass the enemy ruler. And it's just too easy for an advy to disappear.
Adventurers are grubby nobodys with no estates and no public profile. Why should it be easy to track them down at all in a world without 24-hour news networks? Putting up a bulletin about the scruffy-looking nerf-herder who stole your magic ring is only going to turn him into a folk hero, so just keep in mind who you're giving your baubles to, eat the risk and don't complain when some faceless drifter disappears with your stuff. Nobles have better things to do than try to chase stray dogs through the streets.
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trade comon items has become immposible as nobody seems to care about it (atelast on the EC), so is stoped playing my advy.
But i geuss steeling and the such is the most fun thing to do! cheers on you!
PS i tried to steal the King of Caligus his ring and sell it to the ibbies, but i approached the wrong government member who apparently was too stupid.
No way would my character risk his life for 20 gold or so.
A shame because it was a very prestigious item and a big tease to carry in battles against Caligus.
Everytime shouting at the caligans: " Your King is robed by a bloody peasant we hired! what king gets robed by a peasant?"
King robbed by a peasant eh? Unless there is a strong realm willing to shelter the peasant, this peasant will be shoot on sight ;D No wonder King of Caligus is mad nowadays :P
Adventurers are grubby nobodys with no estates and no public profile. Why should it be easy to track them down at all in a world without 24-hour news networks? Putting up a bulletin about the scruffy-looking nerf-herder who stole your magic ring is only going to turn him into a folk hero, so just keep in mind who you're giving your baubles to, eat the risk and don't complain when some faceless drifter disappears with your stuff. Nobles have better things to do than try to chase stray dogs through the streets.
That is so rightly said :) Adventurer sleep on floor, tent which have hole and water coming down when raining. Nobles do not sleep on floor and tent with hole. Noble not suppose to be chasing adventurer since they have better things to do like follow army to war, and much more. Judge can even execute adventurer without anybody crying about it.
Thanks.
Wait, what did i do? :P
You brought a smile to someone face with the game development update :D
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Adventurers are grubby nobodys with no estates and no public profile.
While scoffing and attempting to sound dismissive, you have really proved my point. Advies can't really be tracked down and punished for what they do, unless the advy is being an complete idiot.
Nobles have better things to do than try to chase stray dogs through the streets.
Nobles have nothing better to do than be ruthless, vindictive, and petty when it comes to avenging personal insult. This is doubly true when the offender is a filthy commoner. Advies should fear for their lives when double-crossing a noble.
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Kind of hard to scare an illiterate dude that lives in a tent in the woods and fights packs of werewolves and zombies every day with vague concepts like bureaucracy. My point was that it should be hard, or nearly impossible, to catch an adventurer. Nobles usually only deal with them through proxies, and they only get a first name typically unless the adventurer in question is really, really proud of his bastard heritage. So they've never seen them with their own two eyes, typically.
If that was the point you were trying to make, then I misunderstood and we're in total agreement.
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My adventurer character has destroyed a lot of Unique Items entrusted by the nobles in his realm. End up result, he being beaten up by noble and left on the roadside. :P Got into jail couple of times after being caught. Not really an issue for me, sometime when the noble entrusted the Unique Item to me, the percentage of damage is so high and my adventurer lacking certain item to repair it :-[
Finally faced with execution to his head, by medieval ways of beheading someone head for a crime, my adventurer has to find ways to rise up to become a noble 8)
Oh lets see. I've tortured a lot of people, I've led a civil war, I've started a war by roleplaying an assassination that never actually occurred in Ibladesh. I've sent a daughter to a nominally enemy realm, I've organized or been party to several plots for rebellion, I've blatantly lied about someone being tracked to an underground meeting (but they were plotting something I swear). Generally I've been kind of chaotic neutral which generally pisses both sides off.
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While scoffing and attempting to sound dismissive, you have really proved my point. Advies can't really be tracked down and punished for what they do, unless the advy is being an complete idiot.
Nobles have nothing better to do than be ruthless, vindictive, and petty when it comes to avenging personal insult. This is doubly true when the offender is a filthy commoner. Advies should fear for their lives when double-crossing a noble.
Advies most usually can be found in their own realm land where they belong. They travel quite fast from a region to a region compared to a noble, so you are right that nobles can't really track down advies :P
Oh lets see. I've tortured a lot of people, I've led a civil war, I've started a war by roleplaying an assassination that never actually occurred in Ibladesh. I've sent a daughter to a nominally enemy realm, I've organized or been party to several plots for rebellion, I've blatantly lied about someone being tracked to an underground meeting (but they were plotting something I swear). Generally I've been kind of chaotic neutral which generally pisses both sides off.
Are you trying to ransom or pledge your family daughter character to the enemy realm? Sound interesting and quite a bit of fun you have there ;D