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BattleMaster => Locals => Beluaterra => Topic started by: Nosferatus on March 13, 2011, 04:08:28 PM
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So, the invasion is over, half of the island is lost and many wish to see it reclaimed.
Are we able to 'unblight' the blight? And how do we think we can do it?
Please, Burn loose.
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First, deal with the rogues.
Then, we can think about other things, like that blight.
But first, the damn rogues.
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So, the invasion is over, half of the island is lost and many wish to see it reclaimed.
Are we able to 'unblight' the blight? And how do we think we can do it?
Tom has said that, at least for 2011, we can expect the blight to stick around.
This is the new shape of Beluaterra, and we have to learn to live with it.
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It's our fault the blight is there in the first place. I remember Shae Nosferatus going "Yay undead blighted around Crim, no more daimons!" It gave me quite the hysterics (not really but it was funny nevertheless). In terms of manipulating players to cause their own destruction (myself included) this Invasion was quite successful. I think 3 realms were misled into attacking the Light, and almost every realm except the ones with the Light temples and...Thalmarkin (oh wow they're still alive. lol, Undead phails hard), aligned with some faction. Ergo, the lands lost to the NPCs get lost. Too bad for not "keeping the light of hope" or whatever the heck it was. I personally blame the adventurers.
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It's our fault the blight is there in the first place. I remember Shae Nosferatus going "Yay undead blighted around Crim, no more daimons!" It gave me quite the hysterics (not really but it was funny nevertheless). In terms of manipulating players to cause their own destruction (myself included) this Invasion was quite successful. I think 3 realms were misled into attacking the Light, and almost every realm except the ones with the Light temples and...Thalmarkin (oh wow they're still alive. lol, Undead phails hard), aligned with some faction. Ergo, the lands lost to the NPCs get lost. Too bad for not "keeping the light of hope" or whatever the heck it was. I personally blame the adventurers.
Wait... people rejoiced over blighting? That the first I've heard of that.
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Well I'm not sure if it was over the blight or if it was that the undead were beating back the daimons. In any case I got to know pretty well by the near endgame that almost no one in Melhed knew exactly what the consequences of the blight were.
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Wait, you thought they had the capacity to find out what the blight was? I thought they'd be too busy... doing nothing.
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It wasn't that hard to suspect that those black spots were no good. A quick visit, trying to pass through would suggest as much. I think Soren Calanar might have been a bit leery of working with the Undead, but it seemed like Dilgaard Gamlel, Shae Nosferatus, among maybe others, bought the idea that the Undead were here to help. In a way, it might not exactly be wrong. In all things there is a price after all.
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It wasn't that hard to suspect that those black spots were no good. A quick visit, trying to pass through would suggest as much. I think Soren Calanar might have been a bit leery of working with the Undead, but it seemed like Dilgaard Gamlel, Shae Nosferatus, among maybe others, bought the idea that the Undead were here to help. In a way, it might not exactly be wrong. In all things there is a price after all.
I see, I guess it's not too much to expect nobles of Melhed to check their maps once in a while, and to move from region to region... occasionally. 8)
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They were doing well until they voted to ally with the Undead. Well, by then the north was more or less a lost cause, unless Lin Helon could have been held even after Dark or whatever daimon went into Crim burned it up.
And the only reason I found the Undead blight message was because I was trying for a quicker route to Crim. ::)
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I never actually saw the Undead Blight message. Anyone still have a copy?
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Shae never cheered for all that blight, they simply told the realm that the best thing would be to ally the undead, it's a shame Talmarkin didn't follow or more land could have been saved perhaps.
Also when we fought the undead, shae was quite sucsesful in taking over more regions than they took from us, preventing lots of blight by the undead.
And yes, Shae would prefer Undead blight above Daimon blight for the obvious reason that Melhed was allied with the undead.
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Blight is still bligh. Especially now because they're all the same blight.
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It's our fault the blight is there in the first place. I remember Shae Nosferatus going "Yay undead blighted around Crim, no more daimons!" It gave me quite the hysterics (not really but it was funny nevertheless). In terms of manipulating players to cause their own destruction (myself included) this Invasion was quite successful. I think 3 realms were misled into attacking the Light, and almost every realm except the ones with the Light temples and...Thalmarkin (oh wow they're still alive. lol, Undead phails hard), aligned with some faction. Ergo, the lands lost to the NPCs get lost. Too bad for not "keeping the light of hope" or whatever the heck it was. I personally blame the adventurers.
Blame the Light for making themselves so despicable.
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Also when we fought the undead, shae was quite sucsesful in taking over more regions than they took from us, preventing lots of blight by the undead.
And yes, Shae would prefer Undead blight above Daimon blight for the obvious reason that Melhed was allied with the undead.
The only reason Thalmarkin is still around is because of the grace of The Many and the Pact. This I can guarantee.
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At this point it doesn't matter who originally made the blight, does it? They are all rogue blights.
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It's our fault the blight is there in the first place. I remember Shae Nosferatus going "Yay undead blighted around Crim, no more daimons!" It gave me quite the hysterics (not really but it was funny nevertheless). In terms of manipulating players to cause their own destruction (myself included) this Invasion was quite successful. I think 3 realms were misled into attacking the Light, and almost every realm except the ones with the Light temples and...Thalmarkin (oh wow they're still alive. lol, Undead phails hard), aligned with some faction. Ergo, the lands lost to the NPCs get lost. Too bad for not "keeping the light of hope" or whatever the heck it was. I personally blame the adventurers.
Heen was pretty much the only realm that didn't make an arrangement of some type with any of the invaders.
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Heen was pretty much the only realm that didn't make an arrangement of some type with any of the invaders.
I do wonder what might have been had Mesh gone all the way and made an alliance with the Monsters. Instead, she had a short dalliance with the idea and then rejected it as she did not wish to sacrifice her populace. She wanted Monster help without offering them any benefits. To be fair, if I recall rightly they did ask for Mesh to abandon her democratic heritage for a single reliable King the Monsters could work with during invasion, but in the face of annihilation, was it so unreasonable?
At any rate, Mesh couldn't bring herself to support the Monsters proposal. The small contingent of monsters that had gathered around Twillen and the monster lord that brought them disappeared even as the daimons advanced. I think it's interesting that part of the decision, aside from appointing a King, rested on the loss of strength that would go with sacrificing half of Mesh' populace to the monsters, but rejecting monster alliance is essentially what condemned the entire populace of Mesh to blight and destruction.
Did so swiftly swallowing up Heen and Mesh essentially deliver an unassailable daimonic dominance over other factions, human or otherwise? All the factions seem to gain strength from taking human regions and bleeding the local populace dry and almost from the outbreak of Invasion, the Netherworld had most of Western Beluaterra under its thumb. Due, almost entirely, you could argue, to the intransigence and short-sightedness of Heen and Mesh in their respective approaches to the Invasion.
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Even though Netherworld took the most regions away from the humans, we'll probably never see them again on that continent since (rogue) doesn't spawn daimons, only monsters and undead.
Still, those units had quite the interesting mechanics, especially when they basically burned down almost everything during that one phase of the Inv when they had hundreds of daimons in each unit.
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I do wonder what might have been had Mesh gone all the way and made an alliance with the Monsters. Instead, she had a short dalliance with the idea and then rejected it as she did not wish to sacrifice her populace. She wanted Monster help without offering them any benefits. To be fair, if I recall rightly they did ask for Mesh to abandon her democratic heritage for a single reliable King the Monsters could work with during invasion, but in the face of annihilation, was it so unreasonable?
At any rate, Mesh couldn't bring herself to support the Monsters proposal. The small contingent of monsters that had gathered around Twillen and the monster lord that brought them disappeared even as the daimons advanced. I think it's interesting that part of the decision, aside from appointing a King, rested on the loss of strength that would go with sacrificing half of Mesh' populace to the monsters, but rejecting monster alliance is essentially what condemned the entire populace of Mesh to blight and destruction.
Did so swiftly swallowing up Heen and Mesh essentially deliver an unassailable daimonic dominance over other factions, human or otherwise? All the factions seem to gain strength from taking human regions and bleeding the local populace dry and almost from the outbreak of Invasion, the Netherworld had most of Western Beluaterra under its thumb. Due, almost entirely, you could argue, to the intransigence and short-sightedness of Heen and Mesh in their respective approaches to the Invasion.
My understanding was that the different factions had different recruitment methods. Granted, the result was the same for undead and monsters. The undead killed to create more undead while the monsters used people as food. Daimons didn't seem to need to depopulate regions to get reinforcements. My impression was more that they had a limited number of troops to draw from and/or a limit on how many at a time. Almost makes me think of Starcraft...(Daimons = Protoss, Undead = Zerg, Monsters = Terran).
If I remember correctly Mesh was destroyed before the blight had appeared or at least after we had already rejected the Monsters. Certainly before we understood what it meant.
As the Daimons tore through Heen, the Monsters had split their forces with most in the south and only a smaller group around Mesh. Those Monsters were defeated quickly by the Daimons.
So, my opinion is that it wouldn't have made a difference in the end. The Daimons were determined to destroy Mesh. Even if the Monsters had sent more troops Mesh was going to be destroyed by the Daimons or by the Monsters using our lands as a feeding ground for their young.
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I do wonder what might have been had Mesh gone all the way and made an alliance with the Monsters. Instead, she had a short dalliance with the idea and then rejected it as she did not wish to sacrifice her populace. She wanted Monster help without offering them any benefits. To be fair, if I recall rightly they did ask for Mesh to abandon her democratic heritage for a single reliable King the Monsters could work with during invasion, but in the face of annihilation, was it so unreasonable?
At any rate, Mesh couldn't bring herself to support the Monsters proposal. The small contingent of monsters that had gathered around Twillen and the monster lord that brought them disappeared even as the daimons advanced. I think it's interesting that part of the decision, aside from appointing a King, rested on the loss of strength that would go with sacrificing half of Mesh' populace to the monsters, but rejecting monster alliance is essentially what condemned the entire populace of Mesh to blight and destruction.
Did so swiftly swallowing up Heen and Mesh essentially deliver an unassailable daimonic dominance over other factions, human or otherwise? All the factions seem to gain strength from taking human regions and bleeding the local populace dry and almost from the outbreak of Invasion, the Netherworld had most of Western Beluaterra under its thumb. Due, almost entirely, you could argue, to the intransigence and short-sightedness of Heen and Mesh in their respective approaches to the Invasion.
This is basically what Enweil got. The daimons joined in and helped fight off the monsters, asking nothing in return, other than scout reports on said monster regions.
All the PC-NPC agreements shouldn't be put on the same footing. Some were strategic and did not help the NPCs in any way, others were cowardly and served the NPCs more than the PCs.