Will colony takeovers be returned to Dwilight soon? If not, how else may we found a new realm?
We're currently working on stabilizing things. It's on our agenda, but we're not sure what form it will take yet.
Quote from: Ironsides on February 27, 2012, 04:43:16 PM
If not, how else may we found a new realm?
As far as I know, secession still works.
Right now secession is the only way. RTO's also don't work so you can't RTO a city and then secede either.
Will these be fixed before the stable update, or after?
Almost certainly after. They are not high on the priority list.
Quote from: Indirik on February 28, 2012, 02:50:55 AM
Almost certainly after. They are not high on the priority list.
That is unfortunate.
Would there be a particular problem with allowing old-style colony takeovers while waiting for the new form to be developped?
Somehow I imagine having the old takeover code and new takeover code in place at the same time might break things.
Why did you take out CTO any way on Dwilight? Cant you just leave it in until the new takeover system is complete?
CTO was not "taken out". The entire TO system itself was removed and replaced with a new oen.
For almost all islands but Dwilight, no one will really notice. And for Dwilight, we can live with it until there is a chance to put it back in.
Well can you tell me this can you still secede a stronghold into a new realm people are telling you cant on dwilight right now? Is this true can someone check for me?
Strongholds cannot secede. They never could. Only a true city can secede. And yes, it works.
Quote from: Creed on February 29, 2012, 12:19:30 AM
Well can you tell me this can you still secede a stronghold into a new realm people are telling you cant on dwilight right now? Is this true can someone check for me?
Not another person looking at Balances Retreat? If so that takes my Tally up to 7 different colony groups all looking to claim that region. Good thing a treaty exists to validate claims.
Quote from: De-Legro on February 29, 2012, 04:45:50 AM
Not another person looking at Balances Retreat? If so that takes my Tally up to 7 different colony groups all looking to claim that region. Good thing a treaty exists to validate claims.
It's an awfully long walk to enforce...
Quote from: egamma on February 29, 2012, 05:00:01 AM
It's an awfully long walk to enforce...
Not for those that signed the treaty.
Quote from: De-Legro on February 29, 2012, 05:10:45 AM
Not for those that signed the treaty.
really? It's a 1000 miles from Morek to Solaria, so let's say 500 miles. Presumably Solaria is closer. Still a long walk.
Not only is it far away, the roads are so terrible it takes me several days to go from Sallowwild to Desert of Silhouettes and that is one of the shorter travel times when you are in the desert, though it is only regions bordering the desert I have seen travel times for.
Morek marched down to Solaria recently to assist with rogues. Given that BR is only two regions away from the northern most Solarian region, which is also the fastest route through the Alley of Swords it is really not a huge issue. Travel from Remton to Enlod for the Arcaean war would take more turns.
Quote from: De-Legro on February 29, 2012, 05:53:54 AM
Morek marched down to Solaria recently to assist with rogues.
And be assured we won't do it again that often. It's painful.
Quote from: egamma on February 29, 2012, 05:24:43 AMStill a long walk.
Against a fledgling colony, it would probably only take one trip. Kill off some soldiers, do a little looting, and drive the region rogue, then go home.
Quote from: Indirik on February 29, 2012, 12:19:38 PM
Against a fledgling colony, it would probably only take one trip. Kill off some soldiers, do a little looting, and drive the region rogue, then go home.
Especially with the lack of resources that location would provide.
Quote from: De-Legro on February 29, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
Especially with the lack of resources that location would provide.
...or people keep saying that to keep others from investigating further. There's probably another group of Zuma hiding out there that nobody knows about. ;D
Quote from: egamma on February 29, 2012, 02:19:10 PM
...or people keep saying that to keep others from investigating further. There's probably another group of Zuma hiding out there that nobody knows about. ;D
Not really, Solaria have already remapped the area. It did get a decent gold boost, would still be a rather poor realm but no where near the extreme it was before the redistribution. You might even be able to hold the area as a realm now without a sponsor realm constantly handing you gold.
There's something about that area that makes people lose their capacity for rational thought. I cannot stress enough how useless Balance's Retreat is. You'd have to import food for the entire area: the Retreat, the mountains, all of it. There isn't enough gold to build a realm or maintain an army. I routinely beat back cries from other players in Solaria to annex the area. Because it's so useless, it's actually much more useful as a kind of perpetual monster preserve, where realms can go hunting and advies can always have work. IC, that's exactly what it is: the hunting range of House Solari, shared with his good friend Busto.
Quote from: Solari on February 29, 2012, 10:33:33 PM
I cannot stress how useless Balance's Retreat is. You'd have to import food for the entire area: the Retreat, the mountains, all of it. There isn't enough gold to build a realm or maintain an army. Because it's so useless, it's actually much more useful as a kind of perpetual monster preserve, where realms can go hunting and advies can always have work. IC, that's exactly what it is: the hunting range of House Solari, shared with his good friend Busto.
Well there is that too, but maybe someone could set up a hunting lodge in BR :)
Quote from: De-Legro on February 29, 2012, 10:38:09 PM
Well there is that too, but maybe someone could set up a hunting lodge in BR :)
See? And De-Legro should know better.
Quote from: Solari on February 29, 2012, 10:38:56 PM
See? And De-Legro should know better.
But just think how much fun it would be if it was REALLY the hunting lodge of house Solari, because Brom puts up a realm there....
Granted, I think it'd be more fun if he didn't just destroy it but decided to work with it there. (I guess I'm dreaming though...because that's never going to happen)
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on March 01, 2012, 10:11:37 PM
But just think how much fun it would be if it was REALLY the hunting lodge of house Solari, because Brom puts up a realm there....
Granted, I think it'd be more fun if he didn't just destroy it but decided to work with it there. (I guess I'm dreaming though...because that's never going to happen)
Show me how you plan to keep a realm afloat that will consume 300% of the food it produces and generate
maybe 600 gold—total—per week, and I'll be happy to listen!
Quote from: Solari on March 01, 2012, 10:56:25 PM
Show me how you plan to keep a realm afloat that will consume 300% of the food it produces and generate maybe 600 gold—total—per week, and I'll be happy to listen!
You might recall that Tom deposited 500 bushels in every rogue region. Also ,that there's hundreds of gold in taxes waiting for first takeover.
Long term? Maybe not. But short term, the whole region is an excellent looting target.
Quote from: egamma on March 02, 2012, 02:59:34 AM
You might recall that Tom deposited 500 bushels in every rogue region. Also ,that there's hundreds of gold in taxes waiting for first takeover.
Long term? Maybe not. But short term, the whole region is an excellent looting target.
And that impacts on establishing a realm how? I surely don't need a colony in Balance Retreat to loot the local regions, assuming that Morek, Pian and Solaria haven't already been doing so. You generally need to send a good force in to loot mind you, those monsters spawns in the area can be annoying.
The end result is still the same in the end the realm can't feed itself and has very little income to cover military and food imports.
Quote from: De-Legro on March 02, 2012, 03:14:01 AM
And that impacts on establishing a realm how? I surely don't need a colony in Balance Retreat to loot the local regions, assuming that Morek, Pian and Solaria haven't already been doing so. You generally need to send a good force in to loot mind you, those monsters spawns in the area can be annoying.
The end result is still the same in the end the realm can't feed itself and has very little income to cover military and food imports.
Unless I'm wrong, I thought the recent changes made sure that all Strongholds and mountains were self-sustaining in food production. I don't plan for it to have a ton of gold in the realm, but it shouldn't starve.
Meanwhile, regular food and gold shipments from other realms is who I would maintain the realm. It is quite manageable in this regard and yes I would do it and could probably gain the IC backing (I've already started). The only issue is that Malus may just want to go kill it as soon as its made. Which causes a bit of a problem. OR Malus can decide that a friendly realm with no intent of fighting him, in BR could actually help keep monster attacks at bay and protect his northern flank.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on March 02, 2012, 06:29:13 AM
Unless I'm wrong, I thought the recent changes made sure that all Strongholds and mountains were self-sustaining in food production. I don't plan for it to have a ton of gold in the realm, but it shouldn't starve.
Meanwhile, regular food and gold shipments from other realms is who I would maintain the realm. It is quite manageable in this regard and yes I would do it and could probably gain the IC backing (I've already started). The only issue is that Malus may just want to go kill it as soon as its made. Which causes a bit of a problem. OR Malus can decide that a friendly realm with no intent of fighting him, in BR could actually help keep monster attacks at bay and protect his northern flank.
If we don't have monsters on our northern flank, what the hell will my armies do?
Since I'm apparently one of the few that investigated the regions since the change, here is the info I've collected
Balances Retreat
Food : 76
Population : 2800
Daily Consumption : 5.6
Daily Production : 10.8
West Divide
Food : 7
Population : 600
Daily Consumption : 2
Daily Production : 1
North Divide
Food : 10
Population : 750
Daily Consumption : 2
Daily Production : 1
South Divide
Food : 5
Population 450
Daily Consumption : 1
Daily Production : 1
Alley of Swords
Food : 27
Population : 1350
Daily Consumption : 3
Daily Production : 4
So as you the region would be marginal. Things might be better if you can claim the next ring of regions though. With those figures I have doubts about the ability to weather the winter on its own, so then you have to ask if it is conceivable that other realms will basically provide free food for the realm, as well as regular gold influx. I can't see that really being maintainable long term, the returns on the investment just aren't there. You would have to have a damn strong RP link for such ongoing support.
RP is what the game is about. (Aside from that thing called "battles")
Would you be surprised if I said there were already some interested in financially supporting the realm in return for certain things?
But apparently, colonizing BR is literally impossible right now because Strongholds can't secede and there are no colony takeovers.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on March 02, 2012, 07:00:22 AM
RP is what the game is about. (Aside from that thing called "battles")
Would you be surprised if I said there were already some interested in financially supporting the realm in return for certain things?
But apparently, colonizing BR is literally impossible right now because Strongholds can't secede and there are no colony takeovers.
No I'm not surprised, just as I wouldn't be surprised when the financial support ends after a few months. People THINK is seems cool to send away gold and food week after week. The reality is likely to be a lot less interesting.
I also would not be surprised to find out the "interest" of the other parties is nothing but a ruse to recruit potential colonist to their realm and string them along with hopes of eventually striking out on there own, while never intending to fulfil there part of the deal. Cause such deception has NEVER happened on Dwilight, nope never.
Hell most sponsors get tired of trying to fund NORMAL colony efforts, which at least should be self sufficient in the end. You only have to look at how many colony efforts set out woefully unprepared and under resourced because their sponsor realm has decided they are bored of stockpiling gold and food.
Quote from: De-Legro on March 02, 2012, 07:04:30 AM
I also would not be surprised to find out the "interest" of the other parties is nothing but a ruse to recruit potential colonist to their realm and string them along with hopes of eventually striking out on there own, while never intending to fulfil there part of the deal. Cause such deception has NEVER happened on Dwilight, nope never.
Well I'm glad we can agree that never happens.
Quote from: De-Legro on March 02, 2012, 06:54:05 AM
If we don't have monsters on our northern flank, what the hell will my armies do?
I don't know, what they've been doing? Fighting their Lurian neighbors like Luria is supposed to do? Rebelling against themselves? Twiddling their thumbs and plotting treason?
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on March 02, 2012, 07:09:29 AM
Well I'm glad we can agree that never happens.
I don't know, what they've been doing? Fighting their Lurian neighbors like Luria is supposed to do? Rebelling against themselves? Twiddling their thumbs and plotting treason?
To be honest we are running out of characters in Luria that make good targets for aggression. Malus was too successful in this last little witch hunt. Once this war settles down, the balance of power and ties between the three remaining realms should result in peace for a long while, I guess we can march south against Fissoa with Luria Nova, but that conflict probably won't last long either.
Quote from: De-Legro on March 02, 2012, 07:14:01 AM
To be honest we are running out of characters in Luria that make good targets for aggression. Malus was too successful in this last little witch hunt. Once this war settles down, the balance of power and ties between the three remaining realms should result in peace for a long while, I guess we can march south against Fissoa with Luria Nova, but that conflict probably won't last long either.
Not that I really have much sympathy for you, since my character was one of the ones that always ensured something fun was going on Luria. But if you want some advice: Make Alanna Queen of Pian en Luries. That'll keep things spicy for a while. Otherwise, you'll lose a lot of nobles fairly quickly as they all get bored from having nothing to do.
OR, just invite Brom back, make him King of something and I'll keep it interesting for you some more.
Quote from: Dante Silverfire on March 02, 2012, 07:17:00 AM
Not that I really have much sympathy for you, since my character was one of the ones that always ensured something fun was going on Luria. But if you want some advice: Make Alanna Queen of Pian en Luries. That'll keep things spicy for a while. Otherwise, you'll lose a lot of nobles fairly quickly as they all get bored from having nothing to do.
OR, just invite Brom back, make him King of something and I'll keep it interesting for you some more.
You mistake my intent. We are doing what Koli tried to do an reduce the spectre of rebellion and in fighting that plague the region. Only Koli tried to integrate everyone where we just booted out the trouble makers. Honestly things were not being kept all that interesting, it was getting to the stage of boring repetition, especially since always seems to be the same old characters stirring the pot.
Perhaps Luria can finally look outside of its own borders, and the addition of SA to the region will likely create some fun.