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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: BardicNerd on April 01, 2012, 09:50:11 PM
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So, Summerdale just declared war on Libero. About damn time in my opinion, I was hoping to declare war on them in a month or so. Saves me the trouble and makes us look like the good guys.
Now, I want to be clear that I totally support their decision to do this, and respect them for it. Things were boring and needed to be stirred up, as their ruler said in an OOC preface to the war dec.
However. The way they did it IC is about as politically stupid as you can get, and really quite funny. So I share:
Letter from Charlotte Grancourt (2 days, 3 hours ago)
Message sent to: Brance Indirik, Bustoarsenzio Peristaltico, Elsebeth Evans, Turin Erickson
(ooc: part of this is for ooc reasons as this part of the island is so boring right now)
Fellow Rulers,
Some of you might know me, I am Charlotte Grancourt. Once I was a rogue, until I found a home in the realm of Springdale only to have it taken away. I have made it my life's work to re-unite the people that first accepted me as a noble under one banner. I am growing old, and I find that the goal of Summerdale has still not been achieved.
We do not own all of the peninsula, and we do not have our banner flying over the city of Springdale, the place I could first call my home. The nobles of Summerdale have voted me in as Queen in my later years to achieve the goal our realm set out to do all those years ago.
We have received help from some of you in the past, noteably Morek and Astrum, and we would like to keep favour with you, but I think it is time that we dropped our relations with Libero Empire. They have kept hold of our lands for too long. While I hold no personal claim to the lands (I would never be the same as Cato), I still miss my first home.
Summerdale will be expanding to accommodate new lands with my final drawing of my sword and hope to achieve what we set out to. I look forward to meeting those from Libero in battle and flexing my sword arm is something other than a tournament.
If you wish to discuss this decision with myself, please do so. I would be happy to respond.
Regards,
Charlotte Grancourt
Queen of Summerdale, Duchess of Nifelheim, Marchioness of Nifelheim, Marshal of the Dalian Crusade
Only kinda mildly bad, right? Let me point two things out:
First, this came during the whole scare about daemon invasion. The actual war being declared came shortly after Netherworld declared war on everyone. Really, not a great time to go deciding you want to just go on a land grab.
Second -- and this is the part that makes it really funny -- they have less nobles than regions already. And they are basically saying 'we want more regions.'
Made me laugh a bit. IC, of course, I'm not laughing, but OOC -- good going, guys, and best of luck, look forward to finally having a bit of fun in the north. We're totally going to crush you, of course.
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Summerdale Libero war the valium version of a war.
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First, this came during the whole scare about daemon invasion. The actual war being declared came shortly after Netherworld declared war on everyone. Really, not a great time to go deciding you want to just go on a land grab.
This was in progress before the Netherworld showed up, and it will probably be a very (boring) long time before LE or Summerdale are anything other than cheerleaders in any war with Netherworld, so why wait on that?
Second -- and this is the part that makes it really funny -- they have less nobles than regions already. And they are basically saying 'we want more regions.
You're reading it... the way you want to. When I read the declaration, I think "Both realms are successors to Springdale... there should be only one!"
Either way, some fun in the north again!
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I hope this war lasts some time, and that Libero doesn't crush Summerdale too soon, or that Astrum and Morek don't interfere. This should give North-Eastern Dwilight a small revival.
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I hope this war lasts some time, and that Libero doesn't crush Summerdale too soon, or that Astrum and Morek don't interfere. This should give North-Eastern Dwilight a small revival.
Or that Astrum and Morek do interfere, on opposite sides! Now wouldn't that be interesting.
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I think its great to see some fighting finally up there. I hope Summerdale slaughters Libero. Oog have no problem with Libero, Ig I rp I hate Libero for some dumb reason.
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Give back Koshtlom you punk! >:(
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Funny thing is I was kind of happy we lost it in the first place, helped our realm focus on expanding northward.
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Or that Astrum and Morek do interfere, on opposite sides! Now wouldn't that be interesting.
Better, Morek joins the fight on their own side. :)
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Is anything happening up there?
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Generally - martial incompetence.
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Generally - martial incompetence.
If I weren't a Light, I'd be changing class away from priest and taking personal charge of the army right now.
Well, we'll see if we manage to accomplish anything productive anyways.
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Wow Summerdale gain something like 23 nobles. Thats like over 300% increase. Almost 400.
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Yeah... now it's getting them all estates and waiting for the inevitable streak of "paused as a newcomer not likely to return".
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Yeah... now it's getting them all estates and waiting for the inevitable streak of "paused as a newcomer not likely to return".
If even a quarter of them stay, summerdale suddenly becomes massively overpowered nonetheless. I'm curious to see how well Summerdale can retain these guys.
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Wow Summerdale gain something like 23 nobles. Thats like over 300% increase. Almost 400.
Dwarf Fortress bump.
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I do hope they stay . . . even if Summerdale is the enemy, more players playing BM is a good thing.
And this just means that another realm can join us in fighting them and we won't kill them too quickly! More fun for all!
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Asylon has also recieved this bump. Its nice.
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Yeah... now it's getting them all estates and waiting for the inevitable streak of "paused as a newcomer not likely to return".
I've been following the chatter from some of these nobles, and I suspect that quite a few of them will stay. I've even got one down in Barca (hey Masochist ;))
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Dorfy greetings to you all,
Yeah... now it's getting them all estates and waiting for the inevitable streak of "paused as a newcomer not likely to return".
Probably some of us will leave. Battlemaster does have a vaguely 1990s vibe to its web interface that can intimidate the unserious. But have you seen the convoluted 1980s interface of Dwarf Fortress? The steep learning curve and the patience required? I reckon a lot of us are sticking if we find some good depth to this game.
As for this war with Libero, it looks like a lot of FUN will be had by both sides. Although, what's the deal with the militia-stealing exploit? Seems like dirty pool to a newcomer's eyes, but maybe that's just how this game is played.
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Info regarding the militia stealing: http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2294.0.html
Basically, still a few bugs in the system. They are going to be disbanded.
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Dorfy greetings to you all,
Probably some of us will leave. Battlemaster does have a vaguely 1990s vibe to its web interface that can intimidate the unserious. But have you seen the convoluted 1980s interface of Dwarf Fortress? The steep learning curve and the patience required? I reckon a lot of us are sticking if we find some good depth to this game.
As for this war with Libero, it looks like a lot of FUN will be had by both sides. Although, what's the deal with the militia-stealing exploit? Seems like dirty pool to a newcomer's eyes, but maybe that's just how this game is played.
It was somewhat of a dodgy move, which is why this verdict was cast regarding it: http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2294.msg51406.html#msg51406
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As noted, the issue should be addressed. Libero should be disbanding the militia ASAP.
I encourage ya'll to not just be in Summerdale; explore lots of different areas in BM. It's a rich game with tons of different playing environments.
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As noted, the issue should be addressed. Libero should be disbanding the militia ASAP.
I encourage ya'll to not just be in Summerdale; explore lots of different areas in BM. It's a rich game with tons of different playing environments.
Yeah, like Iashalur; we need the players. :P
Anyhow, welcome to the game!
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Yeah some fellow DFers need to come join me in the south lol. I think I am the only one on the southern region of the map. Go Barca go!
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Don't listen to those people advertising their realms! Join Fissoa :D
-But seriously, I hope you'll enjoy the game :)
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Well, I'm a fellow DFer, I'm just not new to BattleMaster. (BTW - can't wait for my dorfs to start riding mine-cart roller coasters!)
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Don't listen to those people advertising their realms! Join Fissoa :D
-But seriously, I hope you'll enjoy the game :)
You Fissoans are just weird...
DAMNIT WILL YOU ARRIVE ALREADY!? ;)
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Well, I'm a fellow DFer, I'm just not new to BattleMaster. (BTW - can't wait for my dorfs to start riding mine-cart roller coasters!)
I can only imagine the new contraptions of death the creative community will come up with! lol.
I am glad to have found this game though. Bit slow pace but that's alright...I love it so far despite that.
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Slow pace just means more time to think of ways to cause trouble.
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More importantly...enough time to realize how bad said plans are and take the time to make competent ones (hopefully)
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You can always create characters off Dwilight too. The long travel times plus the seasonal variance (winter makes it even slower) mean that the action on Dwilight can be a little slow, though in my opinion that just adds a little extra something to the politics. When wars are slow and stately but letters arrive instantly, there's extra incentive for plotting and scheming :)
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A sudden, unexplainable wave of new players in Dwilight? WELL I NEVER ::)
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I must admit, it's actually really funny - what I didn't realise was that Summerdale had a grand total of NINE nobles on the 8th of April. 10 days later, they now have four times what they had! Lol.
Edit: If they have any mentors there, they must be seriously overworked! :o :o
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Yeah, Summerdale actually had fewer nobles than regions before this. They've quite benefited!
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Yeah... now it's getting them all estates and waiting for the inevitable streak of "paused as a newcomer not likely to return".
The new estates does make it somewhat more complicated to accommodate large influxes of characters. Not as bad as the last one, though.
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Can't have them all =P
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The new estates does make it somewhat more complicated to accommodate large influxes of characters. Not as bad as the last one, though.
What are you talking about? In the previous estate system I /always/ had room for more knights, now there really is a limit to how much knights a realm can accomodate... Which is awkward at times.
Overall, the new estate system is an immense improvement though. I was probably just the only fanatic supporter of the old one. :)
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What are you talking about? In the previous estate system I /always/ had room for more knights, now there really is a limit to how much knights a realm can accomodate... Which is awkward at times.
Nothing forbids you from making 100 estates with each 1% of the land in each regions. However, what you should really be doing of course is to get more regions, which is the whole point of the new system.
A realm like Summerdale for example would have crumbled long ago in the old system. Now they managed to survive with less nobles than regions, and when new nobles arrived they were able to absorb them and were ready for war. Overall, I think this is a perfect example of how the new system is a success.
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I am fairly certain that 5% is the minimum estate size, isn't it?
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I am fairly certain that 5% is the minimum estate size, isn't it?
In my townsland it's 5%, in my rural it's 10%. Still, I doubt any realm is even close to having "a limit to how much knights a realm can accomodate".
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Depends. There's a "minimum wage" of sorts that warriors need to recruit and maintain a unit. Personally, I think it's around 80 gold per week. Bedwyr had it worked out to 55 per week, and I'm sure with some micromanagement you could drive it even lower. Still, the amount of gold available to the realm is the functional limiting factor, and Thalmarkin hit that like 5 nobles ago. So it's definitely possible.
'Course, the appropriate course of action in the above example is to expand... ;)
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I remember back in -my- day when I was a newbie, we were given 40 gold a week and expected to field a unit. We got along just fine without all this high income mumbo jumbo these new kids have... we'd march our armies from Partora to Ibladesh uphill both ways chest deep in snow and still win battles.
Kids these days... no respect for their elders.
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I remember back in -my- day when I was a newbie, we were given 40 gold a week and expected to field a unit. We got along just fine without all this high income mumbo jumbo these new kids have... we'd march our armies from Partora to Ibladesh uphill both ways chest deep in snow and still win battles.
Kids these days... no respect for their elders.
Back in MY days we were given an income of 1 gold a week! One! And my region had a population of 1 peasant even though it had two knights, I was taxing the work from his left arm, while my liege was taxing the work from the right arm! And sometimes you'd skip a week of income, and you'd just have to live through it, and you'd be expected to drive away 1000 CS monster units every. single. day! SO GET OFF MY LAWN!
(True story by the way. Man, Dwilight has gotten so easy.)
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Back in MY days we were given an income of 1 gold a week! One! And my region had a population of 1 peasant even though it had two knights, I was taxing the work from his left arm, while my liege was taxing the work from the right arm! And sometimes you'd skip a week of income, and you'd just have to live through it, and you'd be expected to drive away 1000 CS monster units every. single. day! SO GET OFF MY LAWN!
(True story by the way. Man, Dwilight has gotten so easy.)
QFT.
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Back in MY days we were given an income of 1 gold a week! One!
Yeah! And then that got wealth taxed away too! :P
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Back in MY days we were given an income of 1 gold a week! One! And my region had a population of 1 peasant even though it had two knights, I was taxing the work from his left arm, while my liege was taxing the work from the right arm! And sometimes you'd skip a week of income, and you'd just have to live through it, and you'd be expected to drive away 1000 CS monster units every. single. day! SO GET OFF MY LAWN!
(True story by the way. Man, Dwilight has gotten so easy.)
No kidding. All these new folks don't know how hard we worked, carving out civilization from the wilderness! Bunch a damn hippies if you ask me!
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I didn't even get tax gold... I just looted wild regions for gold.
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and looted by thousands... those wild regions had a bunch of gold stored way back. i remember sending looting parties to get some gold with which we've built a /ton/ of things. it is little known that realms like astrum and probably morek were built by pillaging and thievery.
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Not true. Astrum never engaged in any organized looting parties, unlike realms such as Caerwyn. And didn't Terran actually formalize rogue region looting with laws regulating the goverment's share?
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it did. i personally looted mimer peninsula. i think that counts.
but yes, caerwyn was infamous for that. they had a neat system going on.
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No wonder we pawned you off on Niselur.
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/After/ you built your walls with that gold. :P don't worry, all great empires were built on low methods and barbarism :)
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And didn't Terran actually formalize rogue region looting with laws regulating the goverment's share?
Not exactly; it wasn't formal, but we did loot the rogue lands quite prodigiously.
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Must have been Caerwyn that had those laws. A looting army, and laws about where you could go , and how much you had to give the realm.
I don't remember much looting in Astrum. We intentionally did not loot Mimer, as we intended to take it. And Everguard and Viridian were west of us. So, while we may not have looted because of lack of opportunity, I will claim the moral high ground and say it was on principles. :D
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Info regarding the militia stealing: http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2294.0.html
Basically, still a few bugs in the system. They are going to be disbanded.
Two days later, and the militia remain in the province. I fear that the disband button has also become bugged up. Has anyone reported the inoperable disband button yet?
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Two days later, and the militia remain in the province. I fear that the disband button has also become bugged up. Has anyone reported the inoperable disband button yet?
Disbanding militia is not just click here to remove all militia thing, it costs gold and takes hours. The character has removed as much militia as he currently could, according to the devs, which was 30 men. Also he has gone to the capital to turn his bonds into gold.
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No kidding. All these new folks don't know how hard we worked, carving out civilization from the wilderness! Bunch a damn hippies if you ask me!
More like we know how to let others do the work and we reap the benefits ;)
it did. i personally looted mimer peninsula. i think that counts.
I remember all that! The ruler at the time, a female character I cant quite remember her name, said you couldnt go looting rural regions. Instead you disregarded her and the rest of Astrum and went out into the wild for the gold and your dream of creating a realm in Darfix. Too bad things went downhill so fast for the realm after you left. But these memories are for other places, how does Summerdale vs. LE fair? Any recent battles?
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More like we know how to let others do the work and we reap the benefits ;)
I remember all that! The ruler at the time, a female character I cant quite remember her name, said you couldnt go looting rural regions. Instead you disregarded her and the rest of Astrum and went out into the wild for the gold and your dream of creating a realm in Darfix. Too bad things went downhill so fast for the realm after you left. But these memories are for other places, how does Summerdale vs. LE fair? Any recent battles?
Their armies are staring each other down. Summerdale is taking Torrents Breath, but it looks like LE isn't doing anything about it.
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I remember all that! The ruler at the time, a female character I cant quite remember her name, said you couldnt go looting rural regions. Instead you disregarded her and the rest of Astrum and went out into the wild for the gold and your dream of creating a realm in Darfix. Too bad things went downhill so fast for the realm after you left.
The ruler was Alexandria Dwarvenite, I don't think the player is in the game anymore. I don't really remember that looting was frowned upon by the rest of Astrum, as in that time Boreal was the General and had the authority to issue looting. He went as far as Mimiravair with his looting as far as I remember. At that time there was a deep rift with Morek, so any infighting in Astrum was avoided at that time, I think. I paused shortly after.
It was only after I unpaused that Boreal didn't find Astrum appealing anymore due to the many enemies he made. He always was a control freak and many people couldn't stand that. Darfix was never his initial goal when he helped found Astrum, but without any support left in Astrum he wanted to go somewhere else, and by Mathurin's advice he embarked to create Niselur. The gold for that endeavor was donated by the Warders of the Faith which at that time was composed of Dukes of SA, I don't remember looting for that gold. But yes, Niselur was doomed due to food issues and many monsters around. Dwilight was quite a harsh place back then.
But these memories are for other places, how does Summerdale vs. LE fair? Any recent battles?
We are doing well, I'd say. Have a lot of rp going on with newish players and are consistently winning the war. The tough part will be to take Mt. Black Nastrond again, so we'll see how that fares.
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Ah right, I just remember there were some looting prior to the expedition. But i think that was west of Eidulb or? can't remember...it was a long time ago
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I'm fairly sure we did some looting runs at some point, but never on a large scale... That was a long time ago, back when we had lots of gold anyway, but no food.
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What are you talking about? In the previous estate system I /always/ had room for more knights, now there really is a limit to how much knights a realm can accomodate... Which is awkward at times.
Overall, the new estate system is an immense improvement though. I was probably just the only fanatic supporter of the old one. :)
In the new system, you can unilaterally change estate sizes. In the old, you had to re-negotiate with every knight, making for sudden considerable changes in noble count quite a hassle.
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it did. i personally looted mimer peninsula. i think that counts.
but yes, caerwyn was infamous for that. they had a neat system going on.
Heck yea. I made thousands of gold with Lyse, barely looting anything.
Had I not gotten bored with the character, I'd have gotten my family wealth maxed in a month...
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Heck yea. I made thousands of gold with Lyse, barely looting anything.
Had I not gotten bored with the character, I'd have gotten my family wealth maxed in a month...
I have no doubt that you could have, I remember getting 1000 gold or more per region before the monsters came and then move to the next region, That is how Dhara survived in the beginning.
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Some of the SA faithful might wonder about the subtle references to Orris Morton and Elsebeth included in my character's request to join SA.
You see, in Summerdale, some of us couldn't think of any way to explain several hundred militia men, formerly devoutly loyal to Summerdale, all suddenly and unanimously deciding to defect to Libero without any disagreements. I mean, think of their families back home that they won't see again! Clearly, Orris has a witch in his court and has befriended devils to work this ludicrous magic upon them all. If there's a better way to rationalise IC the lingering outcome of a happily-exploited bug OOC, I can't think of one. :)
Also, I guess the game mechanics allow it, but IMO it's kinda ludicrous and undignified that the enemy Queen is hiding without an army in a region swarming with enemy troops and increasingly sympathetic to the enemy. My character's only guess is that she's good at hiding in haystacks and pigpens. ;D
Loving the game so far!
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Some of the SA faithful might wonder about the subtle references to Orris Morton and Elsebeth included in my character's request to join SA.
Neither reference was subtle and both are already members of the faith - the later an esteemed Elder. It triggered an apology from your own liege and made your character look quite ignorant.
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Oh, I saw both their names in the recipient list before I began typing the very first sentence, and you can be sure that my character knowingly addressed a copy of his letter to both. He's a knight, a man of the sword, not an ambassador; and he isn't about to handle an dishonorable enemy with kid gloves.
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IC: Wincing, facepalming.
OOC: Laughing. Hard.
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OOC: Laughing. Hard.
Oh, certainly, it was well done and an interesting way to play through the issue.
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Enjoy the battle! I normally hate one sided, especially on the receiving end, but I am glad OOCly that we can get more people in on the fun. Happy to be able to show our influx of new players one of my favorite parts of BM, instead of a 30th consecutive "rally in Nifel" turn. :)
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That courageous assault was heart-rendingly lopsided and in vain, like the Charge of the Light Brigade. Into the valley of death we rode. Good show to us; and to the other guys, well, victory itself can suffice.
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Is Summerdale still more region than nobles? I'd figure the massive influx of nobles to Summerdale from B12 would have changed that. I've read a lot of complaining about Summerdale having no free estates...
If not, I'll gladly inform the ravenous hordes to stop making new characters in Terran and instead join Summerdale. I think the last 12 people who joined Terran in the last week are all either my friends or folks I know from B12. <_< I know at least 8 of my friends have confirmed joining Terran this week.
Oh, if only there was rebellion... I'd love to hear Skype-rage in our 20-person group calls as they find out I executed/murdered/attacked one of them... :P
Also, knowing folks on and off B12 on both sides, it seems pretty evident Libero has absolutely annihilated Summerdale with superior numbers and firepower. Morek being involved just changed the scales from overpowered to overkill, heh.
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Is Summerdale still more region than nobles? I'd figure the massive influx of nobles to Summerdale from B12 would have changed that. I've read a lot of complaining about Summerdale having no free estates...
If not, I'll gladly inform the ravenous hordes to stop making new characters in Terran and instead join Summerdale. I think the last 12 people who joined Terran in the last week are all either my friends or folks I know from B12. <_< I know at least 8 of my friends have confirmed joining Terran this week.
Oh, if only there was rebellion... I'd love to hear Skype-rage in our 20-person group calls as they find out I executed/murdered/attacked one of them... :P
Also, knowing folks on and off B12 on both sides, it seems pretty evident Libero has absolutely annihilated Summerdale with superior numbers and firepower. Morek being involved just changed the scales from overpowered to overkill, heh.
Actually, we were doing pretty good until Morek joined. In the beginning, we managed a couple nice victories despite having only 8 nobles, and after that we got a huge influx of nobles and had fairly good chances of winning. We had a good shot at taking Mt. Black back until Morek reinforced them, and since then we've been getting beaten pretty hard.
Summerdale definitely doesn't need anymore nobles. We could have managed with 20, and we got 40. I think we can still get every noble an estate, but it's getting tough to manage.
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Ahhh.
I would have quite liked seeing a continued Summerdale vs. Libero. Oh well, nothing we can do about it now but mull over ashes and loot the battlefields... :P
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Well since this war in now pretty much over, Yall should go read my RP about before the final battle in Nifel.
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Agreed!