Hey let's talk about something other than the Zuma.
How about Morek spawning a 15k CS army and invading Summerdale? Isn't that just grand? I wonder how the Summerdale players are taking it? Probably not how they saw the war working out for them but I've yet to read a 20+ page thread about how life is so unfair for them because Morek didn't stay out of it even though they asked them nicely.
Anyways - Dalian folks, I'm an open book. You have questions, we have answers.
Quote from: Darksun on May 10, 2012, 04:54:57 AM
Hey let's talk about something other than the Zuma.
How about Morek spawning a 15k CS army and invading Summerdale? Isn't that just grand? I wonder how the Summerdale players are taking it? Probably not how they saw the war working out for them but I've yet to read a 20+ page thread about how life is so unfair for them because Morek didn't stay out of it even though they asked them nicely.
Anyways - Dalian folks, I'm an open book. You have questions, we have answers.
Astrum could have done the same as the Zuma, but brought double the CS, and nobody would be bitching.
Also, hard NOT to bitch about the Zuma when people constantly bring them up, like this guy:
Quote from: Marlboro on May 10, 2012, 04:33:02 AM
And that cavalier attitude completely disappears once the Zuma show up.
It's not like we weren't talking about the war before the Zuma came in, either.
I haven't been paying much attention this week, so I probably missed something, but why is Mt. Black a part of Morek now?
Did someone say Zuma? Cha cha cha
Morek supported Libero and invaded Mt. Black. For some reason, Torrent's Breath is still not part of Summerdale, though. Isn't there a takeover taking place there?
Quote from: Feylonis on May 10, 2012, 05:36:15 AM
Morek supported Libero and invaded Mt. Black. For some reason, Torrent's Breath is still not part of Summerdale, though. Isn't there a takeover taking place there?
No, Mt. Black was a part of Libero and changed allegiance to Morek, I think. Torrents Breath was Summerdale's for about a day, but then it revolted back to Libero because we couldn't stop their ruler from lowering sympathy there.
Yes, Mt Black changed allegiance.
I would actually like to see Morek vs Zuma all posturing aside, from a curious standpoint. Morek's overpowered units would probably have a very good chance.
QuoteI've yet to read a 20+ page thread about how life is so unfair for them because Morek didn't stay out of it even though they asked them nicely.
Think we could hit 20 pages? :D Meh, this is -exactly- how we envisioned the war going given Morek's history of staying out of conflict... didn't think they would drop relations with Astrum and go to full out war though. I do wonder the reason behind Orris' latest loyalty change though, Mr. Open Book, I'm hoping there was some RP behind it and it wasn't just a "we're giving you this region so you can start TOing".
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 05:49:22 AM
Morek's overpowered units would probably have a very good chance.
What is that even supposed to mean?
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 05:49:22 AM
I do wonder the reason behind Orris' latest loyalty change though, Mr. Open Book, I'm hoping there was some RP behind it and it wasn't just a "we're giving you this region so you can start TOing".
There sure is. If all goes well, you haven't seen half of it yet.
Quote from: Chénier on May 10, 2012, 05:07:46 AM
Also, hard NOT to bitch about the Zuma when people constantly bring them up, like this guy:
You came into a thread called the No Zuma Thread and quoted me counter-trolling your endless whining about the Zuma in a different thread. I am pretty sure that is Chenier for "I love you."
QuoteWhat is that even supposed to mean?
That means Morek did a great job building up their units... not many times have I ever seen a whole army where the # of men to CS ratio is so high.
QuoteThere sure is. If all goes well, you haven't seen half of it yet.
If all goes well, I have. I've played BM for over 8 years now, been on the losing side of a lot of wars. I've been betrayed, outmaneuvered and outsmarted... I'm not saying this to brag, but so that you'll understand better when I say, this is the only war that's left a bad taste in my mouth. The only time BM has given me sleepless nights. Before, I've always been able to say to myself that the people I'm playing against could well be my friends... the way BM is, they probably are, just on another continent. This war feels to me more like I'm playing against people who are playing to win... not people who are playing on the winning side. If you don't think this applies to you, good. I wash my hands of this conflict as soon as it's reasonable IC to do so.
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 06:31:29 AM
That means Morek did a great job building up their units... not many times have I ever seen a whole army where the # of men to CS ratio is so high.
Oh, ok. Thanks, and sorry for the paranoia.
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 06:31:29 AM
If all goes well, I have. I've played BM for over 8 years now, been on the losing side of a lot of wars. I've been betrayed, outmaneuvered and outsmarted... I'm not saying this to brag, but so that you'll understand better when I say, this is the only war that's left a bad taste in my mouth. The only time BM has given me sleepless nights. Before, I've always been able to say to myself that the people I'm playing against could well be my friends... the way BM is, they probably are, just on another continent. This war feels to me more like I'm playing against people who are playing to win... not people who are playing on the winning side. If you don't think this applies to you, good. I wash my hands of this conflict as soon as it's reasonable IC to do so.
I'm sorry you feel that way, and I can assure you that nothing of the sort is going on.
To be quite honest the Summerdale-Libero war seemed to promise a change in the boring north. The Morekian intervention kinda turns back the situation to the good old boring north, in where a war with any neighbor will get you in a gang-bang from all the other realms.
Luckily I'm going there to stir up some trouble and bring some of the fun back. ;)
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 06:31:29 AM
This war feels to me more like I'm playing against people who are playing to win...
I don't think you're the only one who feels that way. The fact is that Summerdale is losing because the other side cheated, so the bad taste is unavoidable. In my 5 years of playing I never came across such a group of player(s) who are dancing on the edge of fair play, and the last charade where Mt. Black Nastrond realigned to Morek is a just a continuum of such a behavior for it is the breach of SMA rules.
So yes, like many in Summerdale, I am bitter and disappointed with all of this and once the plausible IC situation evolves I will be leaving with the rest of the Dalians wherever we may go, and will be avoiding the north west from now on in as wide range as possible. I don't want to whine or insult anyone but this is where I stand about this mess, and I prefer to play in a climate that is much more considerable about fair play than north-west of Dwilight is.
Who are the Dalians?
Morek was desperate for some action when I was there(left just before the stepped into the war). I suppose the new ruler felt in necessary to choose a side in the war just to give the players in his realm something to do. Sadly that meant killing the only fun that side of the northern Dwilight has seen in like a year.
But it's the players that have built that cage for themselves with Sanguis Astroism as the glue that holds it all together.
Quote from: LilWolf on May 10, 2012, 02:04:41 PM
Morek was desperate for some action when I was there(left just before the stepped into the war). I suppose the new ruler felt in necessary to choose a side in the war just to give the players in his realm something to do. Sadly that meant killing the only fun that side of the northern Dwilight has seen in like a year.
But it's the players that have built that cage for themselves with Sanguis Astroism as the glue that holds it all together.
Not sure how you can blame SA when all three realms at war are SA realms. The problem is that Morek is the big dog and there's no one else in the northeast that can take them on either singly or together, so no one will go to war with them voluntarily, and they'll even avoid war with each other so as to avoid giving Morek and excuse to pile on. I was pleasantly surprised when Summerdale and LE decided to risk it, but as seemed likely from the beginning, Morek has now gotten involved and made it one-sided. None of that has anything to do with religion.
Corsanctum needs to step up.
They are without a doubt the most boring realm in the history of BM (and yes, I am including Melhed) and yet they have so much potential as they have been set up as being the papacy of SA. Seems like the right time to start working on getting some real power and prestige.
If they don't do anything now they might just as well move away and let someone else colonize the peninsula whose sole goal in life isn't stagnation.
Dalians are people from Summerdale. Better than Sumerdalianites.
I can't blame Morek for getting involved, OOC, I know all too well how boring that part of Dwilight had become. The problem is their size and strength makes any war one sided.
When we started the war with Libero, we discussed the certainty that Morek would want some action too. Anyone with a character on BT remember what Fronen did to OG with Yipinalke? Snatch it up in a sneak attack, drop a ton of militia and hold out indefinitely against superior forces. That's what we were going for with Mt. Black Nastrond. It worked well, until:
We did not anticipate losing Mt. Black to a bug exploit.
We did not anticipate Morek lowering relations with Astrum to be able to declare war on Summerdale, figured they would keep relations officially neutral and support Libero in battle anyway.
We did not anticipate Mt. Black suddenly joining Morek... the region's third realm in a month with the same lord.
So yeah... we misjudged a bit :P
Quote from: Geronus on May 10, 2012, 02:19:09 PM
Not sure how you can blame SA when all three realms at war are SA realms. The problem is that Morek is the big dog and there's no one else in the northeast that can take them on either singly or together, so no one will go to war with them voluntarily, and they'll even avoid war with each other so as to avoid giving Morek and excuse to pile on. I was pleasantly surprised when Summerdale and LE decided to risk it, but as seemed likely from the beginning, Morek has now gotten involved and made it one-sided. None of that has anything to do with religion.
It's probably because SA was a very big reason why the NE became boring in the first place. First was Springdale v Virovene, then Thulsoma, then Averoth. Even the brief stint with Entai (I think that was the name) ended suddenly because Astrum (SA realm) was at war with Caerwyn.
EDIT: Dalians can come West! Asylon still has a number of estates, I think. Terran and Barca might need new blood, too. You can nurse your vendetta against Libero/Morek here. ;D Just make sure you're ready to deal with the morass that is the Zuma.
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 02:29:16 PM
When we started the war with Libero, we discussed the certainty that Morek would want some action too. Anyone with a character on BT remember what Fronen did to OG with Yipinalke? Snatch it up in a sneak attack, drop a ton of militia and hold out indefinitely against superior forces. That's what we were going for with Mt. Black Nastrond. It worked well, until:
I promise not to derail this thread, but are you talking about the most recent war involving Fronen and OG? I remember that
OG swooped in and stole Yipinalke and dropped militia like a boss, not the other way around. And yes, it worked very well for them. ;)
Quote from: Arrakis on May 10, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
I don't think you're the only one who feels that way. The fact is that Summerdale is losing because the other side cheated, so the bad taste is unavoidable. In my 5 years of playing I never came across such a group of player(s) who are dancing on the edge of fair play, and the last charade where Mt. Black Nastrond realigned to Morek is a just a continuum of such a behavior for it is the breach of SMA rules.
So yes, like many in Summerdale, I am bitter and disappointed with all of this and once the plausible IC situation evolves I will be leaving with the rest of the Dalians wherever we may go, and will be avoiding the north west from now on in as wide range as possible. I don't want to whine or insult anyone but this is where I stand about this mess, and I prefer to play in a climate that is much more considerable about fair play than north-west of Dwilight is.
I don't want to blame anyone for it. It's upsetting how this turned out, but I don't think the Libero players in general are to blame.
Basically: this war sucks, I can barely bring myself to try and play through it, and I think most of us just want it to end one way or another so we can get past it all. And that's a damn shame, we have all these new players whose first experience is going to be filled with bugs, OOC arguments over said bugs, and getting steamrolled by a realm with nothing better to do. It's a big mess all around and I wish it didn't end up that way, but besides the exploit, everyone was just doing what made sense.
QuoteI promise not to derail this thread, but are you talking about the most recent war involving Fronen and OG? I remember that OG swooped in and stole Yipinalke and dropped militia like a boss, not the other way around. And yes, it worked very well for them. ;)
No before that, back when the OG/NG civil war was ending. That's how Fronen got the region in the first place... *digs through distant memories* Neo Grehk was doing good against Old Grehk, they were pretty evenly matched, then a rebellion in Neo Grehk led to all the lords switching allegiance to Old Grehk... save one, the lord of Yipinalke, who joined Fronen, then a few hours later joined Old Grehk. Fronen used that as an excuse to establish a claim, quickly declare war and take the region, dropping insurmountable amounts of militia. It wasn't until much later that they lowered their guard and OG returned the favor.
Edit: four days later, not hours. Cuvelier family (http://www.battlemaster.org/UserDetails.php?ID=2260&HistoryLevel=3)
2008-11-12 Fleugs Appointed as Marquis of Yipinalke.
2008-11-30 Fleugs Elected as judge in Neo Grehk.
2008-12-13 Fleugs Joined the realm of Fronen
2008-12-17 Fleugs Joined the realm of Old Grehk
You guys could come to Kabrinskia, we could use some nobles. (I personally need a knight, anyways)
Or immigrate to Arcaea on FEI. We usually have a war going, and we can certainly use more nobles as we colonise the Dark Isle.
Quote from: Arrakis on May 10, 2012, 01:32:40 PM
and the last charade where Mt. Black Nastrond realigned to Morek is a just a continuum of such a behavior for it is the breach of SMA rules.
No. That is, first, a lie, and second, an insult to the players involved.
SMA does not mean "staying on the sidelines and watch your neighbor grow until they could challenge you, because hey, maybe it will be more fun on an OOC level for the players on the other side". In fact, that is pretty much the inverse of SMA.
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 02:29:16 PM
I can't blame Morek for getting involved, OOC, I know all too well how boring that part of Dwilight had become. The problem is their size and strength makes any war one sided.
When we started the war with Libero, we discussed the certainty that Morek would want some action too.
Considering, I think Morek has taken more risks than it needed to in this war up to now. It would have been easy to simply forbid passage through Mt Black and wait there, forbidding all realm growth and TOs in the area.
Honestly, the start of the war was a HUGE diplomatic failure on the part of Summerdale. From out of nowhere they jumped up, declared themselves to be the rightful heir of Springdale, and declared they intended to completely destroy the Libero Empire and take their land.
Hello! McFly!
Is it any wonder Morek stepped in to help their *ally* and *friend* from destruction at the hands of a realm that canceled an alliance and declared war with seemingly no warning or justification at all?
Sorry, Summerdale. I know what you were trying to do. A nice war would have been fun. But you completely blew it with your opening move. Morek did *exactly* what you should have expected they would do, and exactly what you would have done in their situation.
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 02:44:31 PM
It wasn't until much later that they lowered their guard and OG returned the favor.
Lowered our guard? *scoffs* We got gang beaten. Four realms declared war on us at the same time thanks to a certain utterly and completely inept ex-ruler. It had nothing to do with being surprised and everything to do with facing insurmountable odds on three fronts.
Morek is a big dog indeed... but perhaps they can make it less of a lopsided beatdown by committing less troops? It's counter-intuitive, but it can make things more interesting, and it's not very hard to get a justifiable explanation for it. I wish more sponsors would be more selective with their armies.
Quote from: Indirik on May 10, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
Honestly, the start of the war was a HUGE diplomatic failure on the part of Summerdale. From out of nowhere they jumped up, declared themselves to be the rightful heir of Springdale, and declared they intended to completely destroy the Libero Empire and take their land.
Hello! McFly!
Is it any wonder Morek stepped in to help their *ally* and *friend* from destruction at the hands of a realm that canceled an alliance and declared war with seemingly no warning or justification at all?
Sorry, Summerdale. I know what you were trying to do. A nice war would have been fun. But you completely blew it with your opening move. Morek did *exactly* what you should have expected they would do, and exactly what you would have done in their situation.
Nobody's denying that Morek was perfectly justified in going to war. To be fair, though, our opening move was made when we had eight nobles and figured Libero's victory wasn't just likely, it was a foregone conclusion (I'm not sure on the specifics of when our Queen started going on about destroying Libero entirely, actually, since most of us weren't very involved in the talks at all.)
Really, going like 3 months with almost zero letters being sent around tends to make you a little impatient. I think the vast majority of our activity during that period was seriously just orders to go kill monsters.
QuoteHonestly, the start of the war was a HUGE diplomatic failure on the part of Summerdale. From out of nowhere they jumped up, declared themselves to be the rightful heir of Springdale, and declared they intended to completely destroy the Libero Empire and take their land.
The first part, yes. The second wasn't sudden, we claimed that when we founded our realm. That last part is a lie, I think Morek jumped to that conclusion and publicized it. We just said we'd take Springdale, not destroy Libero.
QuoteMorek did *exactly* what you should have expected they would do, and exactly what you would have done in their situation.
Keep in mind, when we planned this and started the war we had 8 nobles, Libero had twice that. The idea that Morek would join to save them from destruction against a realm with half of Libero's and less than a third of Morek's strength was absurd, we wouldn't have planned on that. At absolute worst, we planned for Morek to help Libero assault Mt. Black (however long we could have held out with large militia drops) then sit there guarding it while Libero and Summerdale squabbled over Torrent's Breath. Anything more than that against an 8 noble realm would have been dishonorable.
People seem to think that getting 30 new Nobles = quadrupling your strength... new nobles are limited in the soldiers they can recruit (by H/P), they come standard with crap units, and it takes a boatload of gold to equip fresh ones and on top of that after a couple weeks many will quit for one reason or another. So yeah, more nobles might = more strength, but not for months afterwards. Not to mention the nightmare of everyone wandering around trying to finding estates. As it is now, if we can somehow pull a couple victories out of a hat and Morek has to recruit fresh troops, instead of using their well trained ones, then... yeah still no change. We're fighting a losing war and have to seriously consider that our realm will be destroyed. :P
Well, last time dozens of new nobles popped up in the same realm within days from each other, during a war against an Astroist realm, it didn't go so over well... if I was an Astroist, I'd want to crush Summerdale quickly before the same !@#$ starts over again 8)
Hey! They had "unlimited" gold going for them, and a nearby realm where they could join, get gold, recruit and abandon. Got &%^*& tired of that in Summerdale back then. :P
"Hello! Welcome to Summerdale! I'm the realm's mentor, here to guide you through your first days and ... why are you moving to Storm's Keep?"
Quote from: Brant on May 10, 2012, 04:27:11 PM
We just said we'd take Springdale, not destroy Libero.
So, just 95% of it then? How generous! :D
11% is all we said... Though how we would take that 11% without also taking the 77% that's on the way is beyond me. But with only 8 nobles at the time who all already had lordships it was kinda a non-issue for planning out. :P
Hey, we could take a few more nobles in D'Hara. Mostly fighting monsters in the Desert of Silhouettes, for now, but Kabrinskia may try to attack us and that could be interesting.
Quote from: egamma on May 10, 2012, 09:07:06 PM
Hey, we could take a few more nobles in D'Hara. Mostly fighting monsters in the Desert of Silhouettes, for now, but Kabrinskia may try to attack us and that could be interesting.
Pfff, fat chance. We don't want to attack D'Hara.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on May 10, 2012, 10:00:45 PM
Pfff, fat chance. We don't want to attack D'Hara.
You don't know your ruler at all, do you? You don't know that she was preaching without authorization in D'Hara, practically begging us to declare war on Kabrinskia so we could arrest her?
Quote from: egamma on May 10, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
You don't know your ruler at all, do you? You don't know that she was preaching without authorization in D'Hara, practically begging us to declare war on Kabrinskia so we could arrest her?
How does that have anything to do with Kabrinskia wanting to attack D'Hara?
Getting D'Hara to attack Kabrinskia is completely different from Kabrinskia wanting to attack D'Hara.
They both have completely different goals as well as end results.
Quote from: egamma on May 10, 2012, 10:37:57 PM
You don't know your ruler at all, do you? You don't know that she was preaching without authorization in D'Hara, practically begging us to declare war on Kabrinskia so we could arrest her?
And if D'Hara had declared war at that time, we might have been fighting SA, but not the Zuma... because Allison would have been prevented from getting to the Zuma.
Quote from: Vellos on May 10, 2012, 10:58:21 PM
And if D'Hara had declared war at that time, we might have been fighting SA, but not the Zuma... because Allison would have been prevented from getting to the Zuma.
Easy there, you mentioned the Unmentionables, might get this thread locked...
Quote from: Perth on May 10, 2012, 11:30:16 PM
Easy there, you mentioned the Unmentionables, might get this thread locked...
True, discussion of the Zuma is forbidden, I forgot.
Quote from: vonGenf on May 10, 2012, 03:24:15 PM
SMA does not mean "staying on the sidelines and watch your neighbor grow until they could challenge you, because hey, maybe it will be more fun on an OOC level for the players on the other side". In fact, that is pretty much the inverse of SMA.
I was referring to this rule of SMA:
No powergaming. If the only reason you do something is game-mechanics, you should probably not do it.
Obviously, Nastrond allegiance change is done simply so that Morek can TO Summerdale's regions, which means the only reason to do it was game mechanics. If Orris really wanted to join Morek, why didn't he do it during his famous bug exploit? Instead, he first took his region to LE and then to Morek, clearly doing it for gaining another advantage in this war when that was suitable. Don't even want to say how little he cares about the concept of oaths.
So file an SMA report.
I did already.
Yay!
Quote from: Arrakis on May 11, 2012, 01:42:15 AM
Obviously
To you, maybe. But as someone in an enemy realm, do you really think you're privy to all the information about it?
Quote, Nastrond allegiance change is done simply so that Morek can TO Summerdale's regions, which means the only reason to do it was game mechanics.
It's really impossible for there to have been another reason?
QuoteIf Orris really wanted to join Morek, why didn't he do it during his famous bug exploit?
Maybe he did something more recently in Libero Empire that made people mad at him. Or maybe he got fed up with all the accusations of witchcraft.
See, I'm not even in the realm and I can see plenty of perfectly legitimate reasons for this to have happened.
You are a biased observer with minimal information about the incident, yet you seem to think that you know all that there is to know about it, and that there cannot possibly be any explanation aside from the one that you have latched onto—the one that confirms your narrative of the Dalians as being nasty cheating exploiters who care for nothing but winning.
You really need to take a step back and put yourself in their shoes. Try to imagine reasons for the things they do that have nothing to do with cheating, or winning. I know you're a smart, imaginative guy, so you really should be able to do this.
Quote from: Indirik on May 11, 2012, 01:53:32 AM
Yay!
This comment was completely unnecessary. What are you after, making Arrakis angry?
Quote from: Anaris on May 11, 2012, 01:58:27 AM
Or maybe he got fed up with all the accusations of witchcraft.
How would switching his region to Morek change anything regarding this?.
Quote from: JPierreD on May 11, 2012, 02:29:12 AM
How would switching his region to Morek change anything regarding this?.
If he's getting accused of witchcraft by people in Libero Empire, it would get him away from them.
Quote from: JPierreD on May 11, 2012, 02:27:11 AM
This comment was completely unnecessary. What are you after, making Arrakis angry?
I'm happy that someone is using the right system instead of just making public accusations and smear campaigns.
sheesh... I'm not *always* snarky, cynical, and deliberately offensive...
Quote from: Anaris on May 11, 2012, 02:32:08 AM
If he's getting accused of witchcraft by people in Libero Empire, it would get him away from them.
Ok, thought it was by the people in Summerdale, not the ones in the Libero. That actually strikes me as very odd.
Quote from: Indirik on May 11, 2012, 02:44:04 AM
I'm happy that someone is using the right system instead of just making public accusations and smear campaigns.
sheesh... I'm not *always* snarky, cynical, and deliberately offensive...
Alright, sorry then. Sounded a lot like that.
Quote from: Arrakis on May 11, 2012, 01:42:15 AM
Don't even want to say how little he cares about the concept of oaths.
As I'm sure the SMA investigation will show, if one is even warranted, all of this was role-played and is part of a much larger arc. Just because you're not in on the details doesn't mean that Libero is power gaming.
The issue was discussed within the realm, between leaders and with the lord over several days. In the end, the land was pledged as part of a larger deal to secure the north against untrustworthy and ungrateful nobles such as the Dalians.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on May 10, 2012, 10:00:45 PM
Pfff, fat chance. We don't want to attack D'Hara.
Allison's wish to attack D'Hara is rather well-known, actually...
Quote from: Chénier on May 11, 2012, 04:23:52 AM
Allison's wish to attack D'Hara is rather well-known, actually...
Allison wants to attack Dhara out of loyalty to Katayanna..... Katayanna wants Port Raviel back.... Allison said she would help her get it back.
Summerdale has long nursed a sore spot for Libero/Springdale Duchy. But they should have secured a strong alliance first just in case someone tried to help Libero. Last I heard, Astrum was Summerdale's best friend. What happened to that?
I seldom visit the forum but as current ruler of Morek I want to reply to Arrakis and Brant
@Arrakis:
I don't know why you've a grudge on this. You're accusing Morek players to be bored and to do powergaming but you know nothing about our realm and what is going on. In Morek evertything is in IC and there is much RP, decisions are not taken on wims. We played for years and we value very much the collective story that we've created and what is happening now fit very well.
If we were powergamers the war would have been already ended but it's not the case since other intriguing stories are just starting thanks to this conflict.
I'm putting a lot of effort to keep everything IC and inline and hopefully fun for other players so these accusations are really ridicolous.
@Brant
Sorry if you feel so bad about this situation but really I don't get why: ok, a bug occurred in Mt Black Nastrond but honestly even with your militia and all you army stationed there Summerdale did not have a chance to keep the Mountain against Libero and Morek (that have their capitals so near that it'd have been a continuous attack). Mt Black Nastrond is a key region and obviously Morek don't want that someone who is not his friend control it. Pure strategic thinking that could be expected in diplomatic game such BM.
The fact is that Dalians did not plan this war carefully, you were ready to destroy the realm of other players and now you're whining that other players want to destroy your realm while this is totally false because the peace conditions have not been disclosed yet IG.
Honeslty I don't care to win or loose (even if you think that I want victory at all costs), I care only to have fun with allies and enemies to invent some new story. You've now a lot of material to enrich the RP of this conflict, this is up to you. If you remain silent you cannot complain that you don't like the story others are developing, giving the impression that who wants to win to ahve fun is you actually.
About boredom: yes Morek after years of wars and a civil war was at peace for some time. Well I've enjoyed it that time. Dwilight is full of things to do wars aside. If someone find a realm boring it's his own fault to not get involved more or to not have inveneted some new story to tell others.
Quote from: Indirik on May 11, 2012, 02:44:04 AM
sheesh... I'm not *always* snarky, cynical, and deliberately offensive...
:o
I don't think taking a region to create a border between you and the enemy so you can TO more of their lands is anything close to circumventing mechanics. If anything, it's smart thinking.
As I understand it, it's not taking a region so you can TO more, it's giving away a region - the same region you gained via a bug - to an ally so they have a connecting region to do TOs.
Eh... pretty much the same thing, no?
Good battle in Nifel, the first ever use of the region's walls (excepting Monsters). I think had the whole of the Morek and Libero army made it to battle, it would have been a very close thing. Now start the RPing!