This thing has been bugging me for weeks so I brought up this thread. Dwilight is officially designated as SMA though many non SMA things occur too. Anyway, can we use low fantasy genre terms, things, etc in unit naming, roleplays and as such?
SMA doesn't mean "the continent and what is presented to your characters have to conform to what existed in Medieval Europe."
SMA means "whatever your characters encounter, they have to react as if they were nobles in Medieval Europe(-ish)."
So there's no problem with having demons, monsters and undead in SMA. For one thing, medieval nobles believed that these things existed.
You just have to roleplay your characters in an appropriate manner.
For stuff you do, you can talk about there being magic, much as medieval nobles would have, but it's really not done to have a roleplay in which magic happens.
You can certainly have a roleplay in which your character thinks magic happens.
(It would be easier to answer your question clearly if you were more specific about it.)
If it's kosher at a Ren Faire, it's probably kosher in Dwilight.
Quote from: GoldPanda on May 24, 2012, 08:22:05 PM
If it's kosher at a Ren Faire, it's probably kosher in Dwilight.
I...think that depends on your RenFaire.
Thanks for answering my query. I took SMA the other way round previously.
Quote from: Anaris on May 24, 2012, 07:13:56 PM
For stuff you do, you can talk about there being magic, much as medieval nobles would have, but it's really not done to have a roleplay in which magic happens.
Unless of course, magic actually has happened.
Quote from: Anaris on May 24, 2012, 08:58:37 PM
I...think that depends on your RenFaire.
What kind of RenFaires do you go to? :o
I've heard of people going to Ren Faires basically dressed up as quasi-modern Victorian hookers. Because they're idiots. I mean... Because that's what they think people wore back then. Fishnets and all.
Yes, people are stupid when it comes to history. :(
Quote from: GoldPanda on May 27, 2012, 12:30:49 PM
What kind of RenFaires do you go to? :o
There are plenty of people who go to RenFaires dressed as fairies. Or wizards. Or sillier things.
Quote from: Anaris on May 27, 2012, 05:04:41 PM
There are plenty of people who go to RenFaires dressed as fairies. Or wizards. Or sillier things.
I think you're thinking of ComicCon....
Quote from: Perth on May 27, 2012, 09:04:45 PM
I think you're thinking of ComicCon....
Really? You think I don't know what I'm seeing when I'm at a Renaissance Faire? You think I could somehow
confuse the outdoor, pre-industrial setting with a lady dressed up as Queen Elizabeth I holding court and leading a parade, and people in actual armour on actual horses jousting—with an indoor, modern convention, on the other side of the country, full of people dressed as Sephiroth and Lightning and Wolverine
that I've never been to?
Yes, people come to Renaissance Faires dressed as fairies and witches and wizards and other silly things. There's a guy who comes to the Sterling RenFaire in upstate NY (http://www.sterlingfestival.com/) every year dressed as Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_(The_Legend_of_Zelda)), complete with the proper sword, shield, and pointy ears.
Dude... sorry...
It was just a joke...
I didn't mean to insult your connoisseurship of Renaissance Fairs...
Quote from: Perth on May 27, 2012, 09:16:35 PM
Dude... sorry...
It was just a joke...
That's what emoticons are for, mate ;D
You sounded like you were skeptical that RenFaires had non-period-appropriate-costumed people at them.
I think Link would be fine on Dwilight, if roleplayed properly. ;)
Quote from: GoldPanda on May 30, 2012, 08:11:43 AM
I think Link would be fine on Dwilight, if roleplayed properly. ;)
Please try to keep your instincts to troll in check in a thread like this. Newbies might read it and think you were serious.
Quote from: Anaris on May 30, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
Please try to keep your instincts to troll in check in a thread like this. Newbies might read it and think you were serious.
As an adventurer, Link would actually be fine on Dwilight.
Quote from: vonGenf on May 30, 2012, 01:45:45 PM
As an adventurer, Link would actually be fine on Dwilight.
Link the character in and of himself? Maybe. Take away the pointy ears and dull his clothing down to a period-appropriate shade of green, remove all traces of magic about him, and he could probably just about be OK.
But you can't bring any of the baggage that goes along with him, either. No Hyrule, no triforce, no princess-rescuing, no Ganondorf. (And definitely no, "Hey! Exc
uuuuuuse me, Princess!" ;D )
Well...unless you RPed him as an insane man who goes around talking to "fairies" and "Kokiri".
Quote from: Velax on May 30, 2012, 01:52:03 PM
Well...unless you RPed him as an insane man who goes around talking to "fairies" and "Kokiri".
No, I'm afraid unless you were
very clear about the "insane" part in the roleplays (and potentially even then) it would definitely not fit the "Serious" portion of "Serious Medieval Atmosphere."
I'm not saying you
couldn't manage an insane person who happened to reference the Legend of Zelda mythos in SMA, just that it would be very hard, and the vast majority of the nutcases I've seen in BM have been, at best, played for laughs. Which, again, is not appropriate for SMA.
Quote from: Anaris on May 30, 2012, 01:50:11 PM
Link the character in and of himself? Maybe. Take away the pointy ears
But you can't bring any of the baggage that goes along with him, either. No Hyrule, no triforce, no princess-rescuing, no Ganondorf. (And definitely no, "Hey! Excuuuuuuse me, Princess!" ;D )
Of course.
Quote from: Anaris on May 30, 2012, 01:50:11 PM
and dull his clothing down to a period-appropriate shade of green, remove all traces of magic about him, and he could probably just about be OK.
Seriously? A
period-appropriate shade of green? I get where you're coming from, but would you seriously care if someone described his clothing as bright green? It's still a game, and I really don't require the dyes to be realistic to enjoy it.
Quote from: vonGenf on May 30, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
Seriously? A period-appropriate shade of green? I get where you're coming from, but would you seriously care if someone described his clothing as bright green? It's still a game, and I really don't require the dyes to be realistic to enjoy it.
Mmm, I guess I'm seeing the more cartoonish versions of Link there. You're probably right, simply describing it as "bright green" should be fine.
Quote from: Anaris on May 30, 2012, 01:54:36 PM
No, I'm afraid unless you were very clear about the "insane" part in the roleplays (and potentially even then) it would definitely not fit the "Serious" portion of "Serious Medieval Atmosphere."
I'm not saying you couldn't manage an insane person who happened to reference the Legend of Zelda mythos in SMA, just that it would be very hard, and the vast majority of the nutcases I've seen in BM have been, at best, played for laughs. Which, again, is not appropriate for SMA.
Hmm...what about Tingle? "
Tingle, Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!" No?
Quote from: Velax on May 30, 2012, 02:04:40 PM
Hmm...what about Tingle? "Tingle, Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!" No?
Very no.
Quote from: Anaris on May 30, 2012, 01:04:56 PM
Please try to keep your instincts to troll in check in a thread like this. Newbies might read it and think you were serious.
No troll. Elves are allowed thanks to Sirion. You could have an elven adventurer armed with sword, grappling hook, and other adventuring gear, wearing a green tunic over his leather armor, fighting undead and monsters, stealing everything that's not nailed down and smashing every pot he comes across. Sounds like Link to me.
Quote from: Anaris on May 30, 2012, 01:50:11 PMa period-appropriate shade of green
Now who's trolling? ;) Most paintings/clothes/buildings from the olden days look drab and pale now because pigments tend to fade away over time. Garish colors were available to those who could afford them.
Quote from: GoldPanda on May 31, 2012, 06:09:11 AM
Elves are allowed thanks to Sirion.
No, they are not.
QuoteImportant OOC Note
The only elves that exist in BattleMaster are those that were grandfathered in before the Human-Only rule. A character created anywhere but Sirion - or created in Sirion but no longer residing there - is not exempt from this rule.
I thought the Sirionites masqueraded as elves. Right?
Elves are allowed in Sirion. And only in Sirion. They are not part of SMA.
Well there are many human heroes in GB-GBC era, why fight for Link?
What? Link is not human? :-o
Quote from: Anaris on May 31, 2012, 05:12:18 PM
Elves are allowed in Sirion. And only in Sirion. They are not part of SMA.
So... what happens if a Sirionite elf emigrates to Dwilight? Or just joins another realm? He turns human? How is that SMA? That's not even low fantasy anymore. :o
Quote from: GoldPanda on June 02, 2012, 02:03:50 PM
So... what happens if a Sirionite elf emigrates to Dwilight? Or just joins another realm? He turns human? How is that SMA? That's not even low fantasy anymore. :o
Sirion is not an SMA island. You are allowed to claim your character is an elf in Sirion, if you want. If you leave Sirion, you can't.
You can care about continuity, not make your character an elf, or never leave Sirion: pick two out of three.
This is exactly why the Manifest Path should reform on East Continent and destroy those Elves!
When my hero dies I'm going to do that.
Sure, I'll join in :P
Quote from: GoldPanda on June 02, 2012, 02:03:50 PM
So... what happens if a Sirionite elf emigrates to Dwilight? Or just joins another realm? He turns human? How is that SMA? That's not even low fantasy anymore. :o
He's just a human with mutilated ears. Like all Sirionites. The things they do to their young. *tsks*
Nothing like racism (or specism) to act like a true medieval noble!
Quote from: egamma on June 02, 2012, 08:58:56 PM
This is exactly why the Manifest Path should reform on East Continent and destroy those Elves!
When my hero dies I'm going to do that.
Sir, you have my sword, and my elf-ear collection.
Quote from: GoldPanda on June 03, 2012, 05:24:41 AM
Sir, you have my sword, and my elf-ear collection.
Big words, coming from a Panda! ::)
Couldn't one play a human who has the disfigurement of pointy ears, Or alternatively comes from an ethnic group that modifies ears into points as a form of beautification?
I think it would be a serious stretch in SMA.
It would be glaringly obvious that you were trying to get around SMA but still be an elf.
Quote from: egamma on June 02, 2012, 08:58:56 PM
This is exactly why the Manifest Path should reform on East Continent and destroy those Elves!
When my hero dies I'm going to do that.
I'd even send a Bedwyr to lend it verisimilitude.
Quote from: egamma on June 03, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
Big words, coming from a Panda! ::)
Actually the elf population is booming on Sirion, taking away the forest from the pandas. Waiting for the Panda vs Sirion war.
Quote from: Cren on June 05, 2012, 12:43:45 PM
Actually the elf population is booming on Sirion, taking away the forest from the pandas. Waiting for the Panda vs Sirion war.
I hear they oppose the Pandas' bamboo monocultures...
Quote from: Draco Tanos on May 27, 2012, 01:03:06 PM
I've heard of people going to Ren Faires basically dressed up as quasi-modern Victorian hookers. Because they're idiots. I mean... Because that's what they think people wore back then. Fishnets and all.
Yes, people are stupid when it comes to history. :(
I had to look up what a Renfaire was ;)
Despite being from the UK we don't seem to have too many of those... or maybe we do and I've led a sheltered life ;)
Quote from: pcw27 on June 05, 2012, 03:36:52 AM
Couldn't one play a human who has the disfigurement of pointy ears, Or alternatively comes from an ethnic group that modifies ears into points as a form of beautification?
No.
If you are spending your thoughts on ways to creatively circumvent the limits, that is a great sign that you are doing something you shouldn't be doing.
I found two griffon eggs on my adventurer. When they hatch, I'll train them and become the first grey warden, guardian of Luria and slayer of the Daimon blight. But actually, I have two griffon eggs on Dwilight.... do I act as if I think they're griffon eggs, even though they're vulture eggs or something? I've been puzzled with this, and for that reason, have refrained from any RP on my advy.
Quote from: Arundel on June 11, 2012, 09:56:44 AM
I found two griffon eggs on my adventurer. When they hatch, I'll train them and become the first grey warden, guardian of Luria and slayer of the Daimon blight. But actually, I have two griffon eggs on Dwilight.... do I act as if I think they're griffon eggs, even though they're vulture eggs or something? I've been puzzled with this, and for that reason, have refrained from any RP on my advy.
Well, I have a noble with a Direwolf on Dwilight. Although an actual Griffon may just be a step too far, not sure.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on June 11, 2012, 02:32:50 PM
Well, I have a noble with a Direwolf on Dwilight. Although an actual Griffon may just be a step too far, not sure.
No, you don't.
Your noble may
think it's a direwolf, but at most, it's a malamute or a wolfhound of some sort.
Pet direwolves are not SMA.
By direwolf I mean larger than normal wolf. Besides... we have undead, and you're telling me a direwolf is non-SMA? Hypocritical much? It's not like I'm using some made-up creature.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_wolf#_ (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_wolf#_)
So, you're saying that since we have undead, that our characters could be vampires, and we'd still be SMA because, hey, undead, right?
Quote from: Indirik on June 11, 2012, 05:29:07 PM
So, you're saying that since we have undead, that our characters could be vampires, and we'd still be SMA because, hey, undead, right?
No. That is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is why can't my noble have an animal that is factually shown as having had existed at the same time as mankind in a low-fantasy game.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on June 11, 2012, 05:26:09 PM
Besides... we have undead, and you're telling me a direwolf is non-SMA?
No, I'm telling you having a
pet direwolf is non-SMA.
QuoteIt's not like I'm using some made-up creature.
No, just one that went extinct before the rise of human civilization. Pet dinosaurs aren't SMA, either.
Well, I can think of a couple reasons.
First, the dire wolf was extinct in the time period we were playing: "The dire wolf (Canis dirus) is an extinct carnivorous mammal of the genus Canis related to the smaller extant gray wolf. It was most common in North America and South America from the Irvingtonian stage to the Rancholabrean stage of the Pleistocene epoch, living 1.80 Ma—10,000 years ago, persisting for approximately 1.79 million years." Saying you can have a dire wolf just because they factually existed is like saying you can have a pet dinosaur because they existed. Seriously, that's like 8,000BC.
Second, when people talk about having pets, they are generally assumed to be the faithful, cute, fury, lovable animals. Not the half-savage wild animals that they most certainly were. Ripping a dire wolf straight from the pages of GRRM and plopping it into BattleMaster is going to make most people think you are RPing Robb Stark and his dire wolf who fights with him in battle, etc. Which would most definitely NOT be SMA.
Third, SMA is about how your characters react to the situations given to you by the game. Just because Tom tosses in undead and daimons doesn't mean that you get to invent your own stuff and justify it with "Well, we have undead, so why not this?" Dwilight and SMA is primarily focused on a European medieval setting. Adding in prehistoric North-American wild animals as faithful pets doesn't really fit the bill.
Had a question, low fantasy is restricted to what limit?
My pet narwhal (real animal, existed during medieval period) killed your dire wolf.
Also, your direwolf went extinct 11000 years before the medieval period.
Quote from: Arundel on June 11, 2012, 09:56:44 AM
I found two griffon eggs on my adventurer. When they hatch, I'll train them and become the first grey warden, guardian of Luria and slayer of the Daimon blight. But actually, I have two griffon eggs on Dwilight.... do I act as if I think they're griffon eggs, even though they're vulture eggs or something? I've been puzzled with this, and for that reason, have refrained from any RP on my advy.
I guess the eggs are of Griffon the Vulture, not Griffon the Legendary Hybrid
I'm just going to say !@#$ you guys. No one I'm rping with seems to have a problem with it, I don't use it in a way that would ruin the atmosphere, say like, riding it into battle. As long as I'm not ruining Dwilight for someone else, I'm not going to change how I rp for someone's view of what something as vague as SMA should be.
Quote from: egamma on June 11, 2012, 07:06:12 PM
How do you know it's a giffon egg?
Because the game says it is.
Quote from: Cren on June 11, 2012, 06:42:57 PM
Had a question, low fantasy is restricted to what limit?
It's not like there some Universal Fantasy Scale that we can say "BattleMaster only uses things that rank 15 or lower" on, but I can try and give some guidelines.
Wizards exist, but are incredibly rare, and only findable by adventurers. Having one as a PC or in any meaningful way associated with a PC is out of the question. Our characters performing magic is pretty much exclusively limited to the scrolls we can get from adventurers.
Monsters and undead exist, and are not particularly specified in form, so it's not unreasonable to RP as having fought skeletal warriors, shambling zombies, trolls, and maybe even dragons (particularly in the past when incredibly powerful monster groups roamed Dwilight, or in the Fourth Invasion).
Gods are ambiguous. They can have no game-mechanic effects on the game, so it's reasonable to state that they can have no effects on RP that cannot be explained away as a charlatan's trickery or the delusions of a single character. However, it's also reasonable to state that our characters can converse with the Gods they believe in. (After all, anything they claim to have heard from their Gods certainly falls into the "can be explained away as a delusion" category.)
Unique items are not magical: they are simply items with a storied history, like Joyeuse, the sword of Charlemagne, or the Crown Jewels of England, such that simply possessing them would show that you are an impressive and noteworthy person. (The minor exception is items that improve one of your skills; however, that is the limit of magic that unique items can possess.)
You shouldn't read too deeply into the names of items adventurers can find. Just because your character
believes that it's a griffon's egg doesn't mean it really is. After all, you're only a commoner.
It's important to remember that many mythical creatures were
known to exist in medieval times, and even afterwards. For instance, Johann Jakob Scheuchzer, a respected scientist in Zurich who had written treatises on paleontology and biology, also wrote an account of the various types of dragons that were
known to live in the Alps—in
1723.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on June 11, 2012, 07:03:28 PMI'm not going to change how I rp for someone's view of what something as vague as SMA should be.
If you didn't really want an answer, then why did you ask? I tried to answer in a pretty neutral manner, with no slams or insults or anything. I hardly think that the answer I gave deserves a "!@#$ you" response.
Quote from: egamma on June 11, 2012, 07:06:12 PM
How do you know it's a giffon egg?
Because my advy got scrached by a griffin, when he stole an egg.
Quote from: Anaris on June 11, 2012, 07:17:45 PM
It's not like there some Universal Fantasy Scale that we can say "BattleMaster only uses things that rank 15 or lower" on, but I can try and give some guidelines.
Wizards exist, but are incredibly rare, and only findable by adventurers. Having one as a PC or in any meaningful way associated with a PC is out of the question. Our characters performing magic is pretty much exclusively limited to the scrolls we can get from adventurers.
Monsters and undead exist, and are not particularly specified in form, so it's not unreasonable to RP as having fought skeletal warriors, shambling zombies, trolls, and maybe even dragons (particularly in the past when incredibly powerful monster groups roamed Dwilight, or in the Fourth Invasion).
This being the case, why couldn't a group of monsters actually be a pack of direwolves? That's no more or less SMA than "skeletal warriors, shambling zombies, trolls, and maybe even dragons". And if you RP their existence, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that one is found as a pup and raised by a man. Granted, it'd probably still be feral and dangerous as hell for anyone other than Gustav to be around, but my point here is I think you're all being somewhat arbitrary in your opposition to the idea of a direwolf being present in the setting when you will simultaneously write off the existence of monsters and undead as completely acceptable. It's borderline hypocritical.
Earlier someone said something along the lines of "yes, there's fantasy elements here, but SMA is about RPing your characters the way that real medieval nobles would have behaved." I think this is perfect, because frankly lots of things in the setting simply are not realistic and fall into the low fantasy category, and I personally would like to remain free to interact with those elements naturally without having to fear an SMA report. I've seen a few of Gustav's RPs relating to the wolf, and they're tasteful enough. Is it a choice I would make for my character (in any setting)? No. But as he said, he's not RPing it as cute and cuddly, or that he's riding it into battle, or anything that really breaks the atmosphere any more than the existence of monsters, undead and daimons already does.
Quote from: Geronus on June 11, 2012, 08:43:41 PM
Is it a choice I would make for my character (in any setting)? No. But as he said, he's not RPing it as cute and cuddly, or that he's riding it into battle, or anything that really breaks the atmosphere any more than the existence of monsters, undead and daimons already does.
I don't think that roleplaying that you've got a pet direwolf is any more SMA than roleplaying that you've got a pet dragon. They would both be borderline plausible, based on explicit characterization of monsters, but I don't think it's that reasonable to state that you can take a baby monster—of whatever variety—and train it up to be your pet just to try and make your character look like a Stark.
Quote from: Cren on June 11, 2012, 06:42:57 PM
Had a question, low fantasy is restricted to what limit?
To what the game mechanics allow. If you get an actual magic scroll in-game, that is still low fantasy (because they are rare). If you roleplay about casting spells, that is not because there is no game-mechanic to support it, so it is exactly what it is: Someone making stuff up.
Same with the animals. If the game says you have Griffon eggs, then that is what they are. However, they don't hatch or grow into Griffons unless the game says so, either.
Quote from: Anaris on June 11, 2012, 07:17:45 PM
Gods are ambiguous.
Not really. In the middle ages, God was anything but ambiguous. In Dwilight, the gods certainly exist (in the same way they exist in medieval europe) and the priests have the very same challenge to explain why they don't do anything.
Quote from: Tom on June 11, 2012, 09:10:56 PM
Not really. In the middle ages, God was anything but ambiguous. In Dwilight, the gods certainly exist (in the same way they exist in medieval europe) and the priests have the very same challenge to explain why they don't do anything.
Well, I was speaking more from an OOC perspective ;D
Yes, absolutely, from our characters' perspectives, Gods exist, the Gods they believe in are to be worshiped and probably feared, and, depending on their beliefs, the Gods other people believe in may also exist, but simply not be deserving of their own worship.
Quote from: Indirik on June 11, 2012, 07:19:23 PM
If you didn't really want an answer, then why did you ask? I tried to answer in a pretty neutral manner, with no slams or insults or anything. I hardly think that the answer I gave deserves a "!@#$ you" response.
Maybe because I wasn't the one asking...
Quote from: Anaris on June 11, 2012, 08:46:59 PM
I don't think that roleplaying that you've got a pet direwolf is any more SMA than roleplaying that you've got a pet dragon. They would both be borderline plausible, based on explicit characterization of monsters, but I don't think it's that reasonable to state that you can take a baby monster—of whatever variety—and train it up to be your pet just to try and make your character look like a Stark.
Unfortunate character resemblance aside, I think whether it starts to break SMA depends very much on how you handle it in your RP. A man raising a direwolf from a pup is not any more or less plausible than a man raising an actual wolf pup, or a lion cub, or a bear cub, all of which happens (at zoos, for example). Will they ever be 'pets' in the sense that they are domesticated and completely safe to be around? Nope. A direwolf raised by a man is still going to be a direwolf, and quite dangerous, even to the man that raised it in all likelihood. But it's not impossible or even that implausible, though it might cause average people to question the character's sanity. Not to mention avoid him and not let him into places unless he leaves his wolf at the door. Tastefully done I think that an RP along these lines is fine as long as the wolf is realistically portrayed as what it still surely is: a wild animal, even if it does happen to have a connection to one particular human.
I haven't read enough of the RPs to make a judgment, and the ones I did read were all written before Kabrinskia was founded. All I'm saying is, it shouldn't be so quickly dismissed without knowing more about the content of the actual RPs, even if the whole idea rather closely resembles a certain well known and widely read fantasy series. Besides, the wolf in the RPs might be quite different from the way the direwolves are portrayed in said series. Again, you wouldn't know for sure unless you'd read them, would you?
Quote from: Geronus on June 11, 2012, 09:19:06 PM
Again, you wouldn't know for sure unless you'd read them, would you?
No, I wouldn't, and I don't have access to them. And I admit that I inferred more from Gustav Kuriga's original comment than was stated. If he's not claiming the direwolf is a pet in a meaningful sense of the term, but rather that it's half-wild and even he needs to be very careful around it, and that it's not specifically
Canis dirus, but rather is simply a wolf of unusual size, then that would probably be OK.
The Game of Thrones TV series is likely to make more people than usual want to have a direwolf as a pet, in the same way that the Stark family does, and personally, I don't think that's appropriate to BattleMaster, even with roleplay of raising it from a pup.
Never seen the TV series... don't see why it is seen so highly.
Also, I have rp'ed it as being hard to control at times(ask dustole).
just want to apologize for the !@#$ you comment. It was out of line, due to having a stressful weekend, and I shouldn't have taken it out on some of the members of this forum.
Quote from: egamma on June 11, 2012, 07:06:12 PM
How do you know it's a giffon egg?
Flintstone (2x)
Fool's Gold
Griffon Egg (2x)Hair of a Maiden
Junk (2x)
The actual acquiring of it, after I defeated an alpha monster (who apparently must have been a Griffon,) included a text saying the mother wouldn't be too pleased. Now, considering there are monsters and undead, it could be assumed that a dire wolf or a griffon could be a monsters. The chances of raising a dire wolf as a pet is far-fetched, I agree, but having one in the first place (in comparison to a fricken griffon) is plausible considering evolution. NOW, the real question is since the Griffon is part hawk and part lion, and Hawks can be trained, while Lions can be.......... unleashed, would it be possible to attempt raising one :P? Archaic and medieval societies all believed in the prowess of the Griffon, hence the heraldry and the numerous statues.
Just because people call it a griffon egg doesn't make it one. Could just as well be an egg-shaped rock.
Quote from: Sacha on June 12, 2012, 11:33:58 PM
Just because people call it a griffon egg doesn't make it one. Could just as well be an egg-shaped rock.
Quote from: Tom on June 11, 2012, 09:08:47 PM
If the game says you have Griffon eggs, then that is what they are.
Quote from: Arundel on June 12, 2012, 11:18:07 PM
Flintstone (2x)
Fool's Gold
Griffon Egg (2x)
Hair of a Maiden
Junk (2x)
The actual acquiring of it, after I defeated an alpha monster (who apparently must have been a Griffon,) included a text saying the mother wouldn't be too pleased. Now, considering there are monsters and undead, it could be assumed that a dire wolf or a griffon could be a monsters. The chances of raising a dire wolf as a pet is far-fetched, I agree, but having one in the first place (in comparison to a fricken griffon) is plausible considering evolution. NOW, the real question is since the Griffon is part hawk and part lion, and Hawks can be trained, while Lions can be.......... unleashed, would it be possible to attempt raising one :P? Archaic and medieval societies all believed in the prowess of the Griffon, hence the heraldry and the numerous statues.
I'd say that depends on how you handle it. Something tells me that roleplaying about riding your loyal griffon mount through the sky would not pass muster if it was reported. Again, context, content and plot all matter here. Becoming some sort of flying griffon knight is pushing pretty deeply into high fantasy territory. Caring for a fledgling griffon for a short time until it gets too large and dangerous to handle or otherwise flies off? Well, that's more plausible, if not the wisest thing for a character who values his limbs to do.
In the end, SMA is about fostering a certain atmosphere. It would be next to impossible to define a set of hard and fast rules to describe something so subjective, especially when Tom has already introduced so many explicitly fantastic elements into the setting. If you're going to introduce low fantasy elements into your own RPs in this atmosphere, you're in dangerous territory and should not be upset if you end up getting an SMA violation, but it is my opinion that such things can be done tastefully and in an appropriate SMA-friendly way.
A Game of Thrones is actually not a terrible thematic model to follow, provided you treat certain things (mainly the fantastic elements) carefully as items that are mainly the purview of Tom. A Game of Thrones presents, in its characterizations and the ways that characters interact with each other and the setting, a fairly ideal SMA world, at least within the bounds of Westeros itself.
Quote from: Geronus on June 13, 2012, 12:45:01 AMA Game of Thrones is actually not a terrible thematic model to follow, provided you treat certain things (mainly the fantastic elements) carefully as items that are mainly the purview of Tom. A Game of Thrones presents, in its characterizations and the ways that characters interact with each other and the setting, a fairly ideal SMA world, at least within the bounds of Westeros itself.
This is an excellent summary. When I read the first book of the series, it struck as to how much the series and BattleMaster seemed made for each other.
Quote from: Arundel on June 12, 2012, 11:18:07 PM
The chances of raising a dire wolf as a pet is far-fetched, I agree, but having one in the first place (in comparison to a fricken griffon) is plausible considering evolution. NOW, the real question is since the Griffon is part hawk and part lion, and Hawks can be trained, while Lions can be.......... unleashed, would it be possible to attempt raising one :P? Archaic and medieval societies all believed in the prowess of the Griffon, hence the heraldry and the numerous statues.
You got plain, simple vulture eggs.
Quote from: Indirik on June 13, 2012, 01:17:42 AM
This is an excellent summary. When I read the first book of the series, it struck as to how much the series and BattleMaster seemed made for each other.
Yes.
Big bucks for Tom if we could pitch it to the A Game of Thrones folks and open up a Westeros island with the A Game of Thrones trademark.
Quote from: Perth on June 13, 2012, 09:51:00 AM
Big bucks for Tom if we could pitch it to the A Game of Thrones folks and open up a Westeros island with the A Game of Thrones trademark.
No. BattleMaster is its own world. If you want to play a Game of Thrones game, there are some around and I'm sure more are coming out soon.
Quote from: Tom on June 13, 2012, 10:30:29 AM
No. BattleMaster is its own world. If you want to play a Game of Thrones game, there are some around and I'm sure more are coming out soon.
Was
jus' sayin'....
You can certainly pitch it to the Game of Thrones crowd as something similar they might enjoy. I'm sure people who enjoy the intrigue and politics of the movies/books would find BM a much more enjoyable game than the average strategy / conquest computer game. But I'm not hopping on any other trains when I have my own, and BM has been around for 11 years now - much longer than almost every trend. If I had made it resemble whatever was drawing crowds 11 years ago, most people today wouldn't know what we're talking about anymore.