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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: T Strike on June 03, 2012, 04:49:17 AM
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What are your predictions?
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Sirion will lash out, realize that they can't fight both Caligus and Perdan on the open field, and then retreat behind their fortifications and turtle up. The rest of ya will look for a weakness in their border defenses, but cannot find one, and eventually get bored and sue for peace.
Nivemus will probably get curb-stomped if they try to help their big brother Sirion, but I'm guessing that they are not that reckless.
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I predict I will yawn, repeatedly.
Oh, also, I predict that Westmoor will once again astonish us with their unique and unmatched brand of military brilliance.
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As someone who doesn't play on this continent, what are the sides?
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As someone who doesn't play on this continent, what are the sides?
So far 1v1 between Westmoor and Sirion. Our general is not as active as she should be :-/
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Perdan and Caligus will ride to Westmoor's aid. Nivemus will remain neutral because "they are not Sirion's puppet", but will eventually join the war on Sirion's side because Westmoor will show a streak of intelligence by attacking a Nivemus region. The southern ex-Ibladesh realms will seek vengeance by launching a surprise attack on Perdan/Caligus. Obsidian Islands will remain neutral, because there's no reason for anyone to step into their lands, so they can hide - unless Westmoor lashes out.
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So far 1v1 between Westmoor and Sirion. :-/
That until Westmoor start to T-T to Perdan and Caligus for help, just like last time...
peace!
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We will see :) It will be interesting to see how other rulers will react. We did chat with each other before the war. It will be interesting to see how all that chitchat will affect this war.
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That until Westmoor start to T-T to Perdan and Caligus for help, just like last time...
I know, right? What sort of realm, when attacked by a much larger and stronger enemy, calls on its allies for help? Ridiculous!
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The entire Alliance against Sirion will attack one fortified region of Sirion in hopes of breaking it, and then repeat that process endlessly ;)
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That was Fontan's trademark move. In the war led by Westmoor, they'll just come to everybattle with half as many troops as Sirion.
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Well, speaking as someone who played in Westmoor on a few occasions, there /are/ a lot of whiny characters in Westmoor.
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Well, speaking as someone who played in Westmoor on a few occasions, there /are/ a lot of whiny characters in Westmoor.
Perhaps, but Westmoor certainly doesn't have the monopoly on them.
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Perhaps, but Westmoor certainly doesn't have the monopoly on them.
At least you have a level head about this, Velax, unlike the likes of Feylonis who believes the entire realm is made up of retards. Either way, I don't buy into the whole "we won't destroy them" stuff. Just destroy the realm and be done with it.
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I don't understand the tendency that has been growing in the past few years of destrying realms. What's the deal with that? Leave them alive and bitter, so they come at you again later. That way you have a ready-made war waiting for you. Otherwise you end up in some totally boring peace where half your players all leave and your own realm falls apart.
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Because it's difficult to get into the mindset of "Don't do what makes logical sense, do what will create more fun down the way." It's the same reason we don't get as many wars as we supposedly want.
At least you have a level head about this, Velax, unlike the likes of Feylonis who believes the entire realm is made up of retards. Either way, I don't buy into the whole "we won't destroy them" stuff. Just destroy the realm and be done with it.
Oh, I have nothing against Westmoor. We're allied. I'm not a big fan of Fontan after the whole clan thing, so I don't particularly mind them going down.
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I don't understand the tendency that has been growing in the past few years of destrying realms. What's the deal with that? Leave them alive and bitter, so they come at you again later. That way you have a ready-made war waiting for you. Otherwise you end up in some totally boring peace where half your players all leave and your own realm falls apart.
I agree with Indirik. This is the exact reason I promised Perdan and OI there will be no destruction of Westmoor. Also that was what they wanted. Kind of.
Tanos, don't get too heated up about this war. We were just looking for a realm to go to war and Westmoor was happen to be there like you said. Sirion haven't had a war in the past 6 months. This is going to be a short one without much exchange I think since not many people are excited about the whole deal :(
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Eh, this will either be a rather short endeavour in which Sirion beats the crap out of Westmoor's consistently incompetent realm, or a long one in which lots of realms try to save Westmoor's consistently incompetent realm. One thing is for certain though: lots of lulz at Westmoor's military will ensue(I mean, hell, they have the third biggest city on the continent and had to call in two of the three strongest realms to put down Fontan).
I'm looking forward to seeing how this war progresses, especially since this war is right on Nivemus' border.
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Well the fact that they had 25k CS with just 7 regions makes me worried and say, "hey! this realm is about to die..."
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Where did all the Westmoor's gold go anyway? Oligarch produces so much gold and yet they couldn't beat a realm which had to save enough piles of gold for months to build a decent army.
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Whoa, calm down dude. No need to resort to insults. Sometimes I confuse you and Ravier because of the same picture. I am sure that is what happened.
Oh. Sorry I got confused. Yeah thought Ravier was you. Sorry Tanos. LOL
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My prediction is that Caligus will stay out of it, Perdan will help and regions will be traded every century... Translation... boring war....
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My prediction is that Caligus will stay out of it, Perdan will help and regions will be traded every century... Translation... boring war....
Well at least this war will keep people occupied :) could have acted like a peace keeper but decided not to. Too much peace everywhere except probably BT thanks to Overlord.
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Well at least this war will keep people occupied :) could have acted like a peace keeper but decided not to. Too much peace everywhere except probably BT thanks to Overlord.
Plenty of war in Dwilight, don't know what you're talking about there. Atamara is in a stalemate, but they are at war with each other. East Island has been full of war constantly. I'm pretty sure that the colonies are pretty active to.
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Plenty of war in Dwilight, don't know what you're talking about there. Atamara is in a stalemate, but they are at war with each other. East Island has been full of war constantly. I'm pretty sure that the colonies are pretty active to.
Dwilight has so many realms and yet only two wars are going on. EC is full of war. But for the past 6 months only one happened, Westmoor vs Fontan.
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Dwilight has so many realms and yet only two wars are going on. EC is full of war. But for the past 6 months only one happened, Westmoor vs Fontan.
You do realize that one war alone has involved at least six realms at once, right? The other is involving 3 realms. The Lurian realms just wrapped up their war. That's another 3-4 realms.
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Thread cleaned. Warnings issued.
If you can't keep it civil, then don't post.
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You do realize that one war alone has involved at least six realms at once, right? The other is involving 3 realms. The Lurian realms just wrapped up their war. That's another 3-4 realms.
Good point Gustav. Yeah never mind. Just the realms I am in are peaceful. Well Astrum is at war but I am just defending the inner regions from the monsters by myself so yeah nothing has changed... at least for me.
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At least you have a level head about this, Velax, unlike the likes of Feylonis who believes the entire realm is made up of retards. Either way, I don't buy into the whole "we won't destroy them" stuff. Just destroy the realm and be done with it.
Evidence isn't exactly on your side. There was that time when Westmoor had more coups than regions. Then there's the fact that it can't field a sizable army despite having Oligarch, which, from experience, produces quite a bit of gold. Then there's the other fact - it couldn't beat Fontan alone, despite Fontan having only Krimml, and Westmoor holding Westmoor and Oligarch.
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Evidence isn't exactly on your side. There was that time when Westmoor had more coups than regions. Then there's the fact that it can't field a sizable army despite having Oligarch, which, from experience, produces quite a bit of gold. Then there's the other fact - it couldn't beat Fontan alone, despite Fontan having only Krimml, and Westmoor holding Westmoor and Oligarch.
Their gold must be leaking. Like some greedy dukes piling their family gold ;)
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Their gold must be leaking. Like some greedy dukes piling their family gold ;)
Thats the odd thing! I'm fairly confident Corwin isn't embezzling and I know not embezzling... so where does it all go?
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Thats the odd thing! I'm fairly confident Corwin isn't embezzling and I know not embezzling... so where does it all go?
Or Westmoor is using gold inefficiently. It is always better to distribute gold as evenly as possible for maximum CS. Instead of making a few people lead big units.
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Thats the odd thing! I'm fairly confident Corwin isn't embezzling and I know not embezzling... so where does it all go?
The 16K CS of militia in Oligarch probably has something to do with it :) Also your tax take per region seems much lower than we were achieving in Fontan.
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Having 20 knights in a single region in the old system will allow you to hike up tax rates, yes.
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That is a common, but mostly untrue, claim. Especially with small regions such as Krimml. The benefit of extra estates maxes out fairly quickly when the number of estates needed is small. I doubt Krimml needed more than 8 knights to get max benefits on both production and authority.
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The same with Negev. I could hold a 19% tax rate reliably five knights and occasional courts under the old system.
Westmoor: not so good at war; not so good at economics; not so good at religion. World leaders at coups though ;)
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And so it begins...
Huge Battle Fought (13 hours, 7 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Bruck:
Westmoor vs. Sirion
Estimated strengths: 2140 men vs. 850 men
The Red Dragons (Sirion), sponsored by Ecthelion Tezokian, Duke of Sirion, Margrave of Sirion, were led into battle by Marshal Ragnar Vlad.
The Army of Sirion (Sirion), sponsored by Ecthelion Tezokian, Duke of Sirion, Margrave of Sirion, were led into battle by Marshal Webin cIipt.
The Westmoorian Column (Westmoor), sponsored by Maedros Iltaran, Duke of Westmoor, Margrave of Westmoor, were led into battle by Vice-Marshal Mathros Hagakure.
Sir Ilias Thunthorn (Royal) is spotted wielding the Axe of Betrayal.
Sir Thomas Foxglove, Lord General of Westmoor, Earl of Poitiers is spotted wearing the Blessed Band of Freedom.
Sezzil Marley (Knight of Westmoor) is spotted wearing the Silver Cloak of the Maiden.
Evalynn Jadewarrior of Westmoor (Dame of Oligarch, Westmoor) was captured by Petrov Vykos's unit.
Victorieux de Hauteville of Sirion (Dame of Elmbar, Sirion) was captured by Gwenevere Lionheart's unit.
Sir Feoran Lionheart of Westmoor (Lord of Westmoor) was captured by Durion Eyolf Serpentis's unit.
Lady Gwenevere Lionheart of Westmoor (Dame of Evora, Westmoor) was captured by Durion Eyolf Serpentis's unit.
Defender Victory!
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For info:
Total:
20 attackers (601 Inf, 273 Arch, 30 Cav, 30 SF, 908 other)
20 defenders (559 Inf, 152 Arch, 174 Cav, 124 SF)
Total combat strengths: 12154 vs. 14595
1 neutral observers (0 combat strength).
908 of the Westmoorians were peasants.
Also:
The locals are grateful for defeating the evil forces plaguing their region.
The Monster unit stayed neutral, so that leaves the Westmoorians as the evil forces! ;D
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Peasant power!
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The 16K CS of militia in Oligarch probably has something to do with it :) Also your tax take per region seems much lower than we were achieving in Fontan.
Yes, we have been noticing the scare scare attitude of Westmoor military in placing so much militia in Oligarch city. It does not help that so many regions nearby receive the city starvation report, eh no? :P
Kinda tired with East Island politic... Have Brock retired from being Fontan Banker to a normal Knight life in Nivemus ;)
Seriously Westmoor going TT to Perdan and Caligus again to save them. By that time, Bruck, Dulbin, Greatbridge may be lost, just like during Westmoor vs Fontan 1 on 1 war ::)
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*Westmoor vs. Saxon War
Corrected for accuracy.
Or do you mean when Fontan tried to puff up its chest, lost Oberndorf and Commonyr, then begged Sirion for help?
*Westmoor vs. Sirion War
That'd be more accurate then.
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*Westmoor vs. Saxon War
Corrected for accuracy.
Or do you mean when Fontan tried to puff up its chest, lost Oberndorf and Commonyr, then begged Sirion for help?
*Westmoor vs. Sirion War
That'd be more accurate then.
*Old Grehk-Westmoor Clan vs. Saxon Clan War
Corrected for full accuracy. But, really doesn't matter, Fontan is probably still gonna die.
Sirion isn't helping Fontan. Sirion doesn't give a damn if Fontan lives or dies. They just hate Westmoor. Sirion has been on the brink of declaring full scale war against Westmoor for years. It's just when they found out you had a chance to be border buddies with them they finally put their foot down and sent out their armies.
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Is certain that Sirion will be a thought one, even if Westmoor get help from the allies to push back Sirion, it wont go beyond Montillo/Tabost fighting.
Peace!
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*Old Grehk-Westmoor Clan vs. Saxon Clan War
Corrected for full accuracy. But, really doesn't matter, Fontan is probably still gonna die.
Sirion isn't helping Fontan. Sirion doesn't give a damn if Fontan lives or dies. They just hate Westmoor. Sirion has been on the brink of declaring full scale war against Westmoor for years. It's just when they found out you had a chance to be border buddies with them they finally put their foot down and sent out their armies.
It's such a shame you don't quite grasp what a clan is. Very sad.
And how, may I ask, has Sirion "been on the brink of declaring full scale war against Westmoor for years" when Sirion had been at war with Westmoor until, oh, late January last year?
I suppose you don't grasp what the word "accuracy" means either.
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It's such a shame you don't quite grasp what a clan is. Very sad.
And how, may I ask, has Sirion "been on the brink of declaring full scale war against Westmoor for years" when Sirion had been at war with Westmoor until, oh, late January last year?
I suppose you don't grasp what the word "accuracy" means either.
When around 10 nobles have characters in both realms and make up about a fourth of both realms? I don't have all the evidence I would need, but I have just as much evidence as Westmoor did when they whined to the devs about Fontan.
Full scale war was the accurate concept there. They had to deal with Fontan and SoA during that time period. They weren't using their full forces to fight a war, therefore Sirion has never battled Westmoor in a full scale war.
Trust me, I grasp concepts just fine.
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*Westmoor vs. Saxon War
Corrected for accuracy.
Or do you mean when Fontan tried to puff up its chest, lost Oberndorf and Commonyr, then begged Sirion for help?
If you want that corrected for accuracy: when Rhidhana was trying to suck Sirion into the war against their better judgement.
The security of both Commonyr and Oberndorf was guaranteed by the Fontan-Sirion peace treaty so letting your army waste their time on conquests which would be returned by someone else's arms was a reasonable strategy. In return we got an open door to Evora and Morshes which nicely filled our coffers with minimal risk whilst keeping Westmoor away from our core regions.
I'd have pursued a similar strategy when war resumed had Rhidhana been Minister of Defence, but Lyzekiel got it into his head that we should conquer Westmoor which was always going to lead to trouble. Not that we had a siege workshop so I don't think he had a hope in hell of pulling it off anyway.
He and the Aurvrandil clan were also remarkably naive about the diplomatic setting, apparently believing that we could win through raw strength without incurring additional enemies. A very crude approach to warfare.
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He and the Aurvrandil clan were also remarkably naive about the diplomatic setting, apparently believing that we could win through raw strength without incurring additional enemies. A very crude approach to warfare.
TBH, that seems to be a rather recurring feature of the Saxons, they frequently bite off more than they can chew; see Thulsoma, Averoth, Arcachon et all
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Yes, the Saxons are very good at recruiting and moving in a big blob, but very bad at, well, everything else.
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TBH, that seems to be a rather recurring feature of the Saxons, they frequently bite off more than they can chew; see Thulsoma, Averoth, Arcachon et all
It's a very common approach to the game though so we can hardly single them out. Right now Westmoor's following the same pattern, only they're not as good at bringing overwhelming force to the front lines.
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If you have evidence of such a claim, send it to the Magistrates. These claims do not belong in this thread, or this subforum.
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I said keep the clan discussions out of this thread.
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It seems now the player of the Serpentis family wishes to turn this war into a jihad against the Church of Humanity. There's a surprise. ::)
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If you want that corrected for accuracy: when Rhidhana was trying to suck Sirion into the war against their better judgement.
The security of both Commonyr and Oberndorf was guaranteed by the Fontan-Sirion peace treaty so letting your army waste their time on conquests which would be returned by someone else's arms was a reasonable strategy. In return we got an open door to Evora and Morshes which nicely filled our coffers with minimal risk whilst keeping Westmoor away from our core regions.
I'd have pursued a similar strategy when war resumed had Rhidhana been Minister of Defence, but Lyzekiel got it into his head that we should conquer Westmoor which was always going to lead to trouble. Not that we had a siege workshop so I don't think he had a hope in hell of pulling it off anyway.
He and the Aurvrandil clan were also remarkably naive about the diplomatic setting, apparently believing that we could win through raw strength without incurring additional enemies. A very crude approach to warfare.
The only reason that this worked at all was that Westmoor got greedy and moved into Krimml. Had that not happened they would probably be in Obendorf and Commonyr to this day. It was pretty obvious that Fontan relied on Sirion to save their bacon rather than finding peace on their own, and this didn't make them very popular at the time...
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The only reason that this worked at all was that Westmoor got greedy and moved into Krimml. Had that not happened they would probably be in Obendorf and Commonyr to this day. It was pretty obvious that Fontan relied on Sirion to save their bacon rather than finding peace on their own, and this didn't make them very popular at the time...
It was obvious to Rhidhana that Westmoor would look to annex the ruins of Fontan once the great war was over. The gamble was whether Sirion would stick by its treaty obligations to defend the rump of Fontan, and the only way to ensure that was to ensure that once war was declared Westmoor would march into Krimml. For some time they demurred but who can resist an enemy capital city on their borders with insignificant defences?
Personally I'd much rather that Basilius had left Westmoor to start the war though as that would have allowed Fontan to build up her RCs, reserves and war chest. However the TMP code was hammering our stats pretty badly and that along with sentiment in the Assembly dictated the timing. After that Rhidhana had to figure out how to mount a reasonable campaign with less than 4K CS and the only obvious way to achieve that was to leverage the territorial guarantee for all it was worth, something that alienated many of Fontan's nobles but ultimately proved successful. The ceasefire gave Fontan a breathing space to rebuild and had subsequent governments allied this with well-considered and honest diplomacy the whole affair might have ended in a peaceful resolution.
Instead King Jor was given a free hand to curry favour with outside observers, leading to the current state of affairs.
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The only reason that this worked at all was that Westmoor got greedy and moved into Krimml. Had that not happened they would probably be in Obendorf and Commonyr to this day. It was pretty obvious that Fontan relied on Sirion to save their bacon rather than finding peace on their own, and this didn't make them very popular at the time...
Yeah, that was a fairly bad miscalculation on my part. I was working on the theory that if Sirion got angry about the attack Westmoor could just backdown and I'd grovel a bit.
Mind you, it was frustration rather than greed.
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Cool down. We all need a Cookies now and then :P
Reading forum sometime cause considerable source of stress to me OOC and IC.
That is one of the reasons why I decide to make a clean break and have my character step down as Fontan Banker and become a normal Knight in Nivemus instead.
So why not we all take a step back from the stressful life as our realm politicians and come back to our root as a Knight? ::)
Let us come back to Sirion vs Westmoor topic please :)
Here's another battle fought. Some Sirion army got caught in Bruck or most of Sirion army disappear? :o
Huge Battle Fought
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Bruck:
Westmoor vs. Sirion
Estimated strengths: 740 men vs. 210 men
The Westmoorian Column (Westmoor), sponsored by Maedros Iltaran, Duke of Westmoor, Margrave of Westmoor, were led into battle by Marshal Ravier Nebehn.
Sir Ilias Thunthorn (Royal) is spotted wielding the Axe of Betrayal.
Sir Thomas Foxglove, Lord General of Westmoor, Earl of Poitiers is spotted wearing the Blessed Band of Freedom.
Sezzil Marley (Knight of Westmoor) is spotted wearing the Silver Cloak of the Maiden.
Attacker Victory!
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Cool down. We all need a Cookies now and then :P
Reading forum sometime cause considerable source of stress to me OOC and IC.
That is one of the reasons why I decide to make a clean break and have my character step down as Fontan Banker and become a normal Knight in Nivemus instead.
So why not we all take a step back from the stressful life as our realm politicians and come back to our root as a Knight? ::)
Let us come back to Sirion vs Westmoor topic please :)
Here's another battle fought. Some Sirion army got caught in Bruck or most of Sirion army disappear? :o
Many people in Sirion are busy - probably because it is summer for most of them. I ordered people to move out of the region two days ago? but some people decided to stay in the region. Oh well. Gotta work with what I got.
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In my case I was wounded for 3 days, while my unit never retreated so they fought whatever came along during my absence...
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In my case I was wounded for 3 days, while my unit never retreated so they fought whatever came along during my absence...
Now that Rugina is back, I am free. Thank god. I will let her deal with all the frustration ;)
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Sirion lost battle in Greatbridge again??? What is going on... :o
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Our general sent our one of our armies against the will of previous generals. now he won't do that again.
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Geez Sirion seems to have a few loose strings. Bet those elves have been drinking too much wine and not getting enough sleep.
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Geez Sirion seems to have a few loose strings. Bet those elves have been drinking too much wine and not getting enough sleep.
Probably. We did have 6 months of quiet peace which dropped our activity level somewhat.
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You could have joined the Westmoor-stomp anytime you liked :)
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Our general sent our one of our armies against the will of previous generals. now he won't do that again.
Good to hear that. Because as soon as Nivemus join Sirion in this war, Perdan and Caligus going help out Westmoor.
Avamar city wall looks pretty tough and defensible, Westmoor going try the same tactic used by Fontan previously. And the result most likely be the same unless Westmoor allies help out ;)
You could have joined the Westmoor-stomp anytime you liked :)
If Sirion keep losing, maybe Nivemus will join in. But that not up to me to decide, Brock just a normal Knight nowadays. I going suffer from inactivity these few weeks as I lost all my computer in a house fire :'(
Considering pausing all my characters for the first time since I play BattleMaster 8)
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Perhaps Sirion should stop trying to be bullies and give up before they suffer further losses on the battlefield. This war is stupid and pointless anyway. Their so called "reasons" for going to war are non-existant, Fontan has been alllowed to reclaim Braga, Westmoor has not expanded. If you are going to war with someone at least have a decent reason why and a goal set out for it.
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My job as the ruler is to create something which everyone can enjoy. That is what I believe what rulers are for. So I won't be stopping this war for awhile. Not while there are people in Westmoor enjoying the war as much as I do. ;D
Also, now that we are serious I doubt we will suffer 'further losses'. Well suffering losses is fine with me really. Teaches people in Sirion some lessons.
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I'm enjoying this as much as you are Zakilevo
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I going suffer from inactivity these few weeks as I lost all my computer in a house fire :'(
Considering pausing all my characters for the first time since I play BattleMaster 8)
Really sorry to hear that. BM's always fun when there's Ketchums around.
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But that not up to me to decide, Brock just a normal Knight nowadays. I going suffer from inactivity these few weeks as I lost all my computer in a house fire :'(
Considering pausing all my characters for the first time since I play BattleMaster 8)
Wow... hopefully no one got hurt.
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Really sorry to hear that. BM's always fun when there's Ketchums around.
Heh, Brock just missed out on a vacant region lordship appointment during my infrequent inactivity ;)
Wow... hopefully no one got hurt.
Nobody get hurt, which is quite a blessing :)
Sound like Sirion and Westmoor having a Cold War. Not much battles going on~~
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Sound like Sirion and Westmoor having a Cold War. Not much battles going on~~
Westmoor's proving that they do know how to manoeuvre after all :)
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Or our general is overestimating the army he used lead which is bad.
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Or our general is overestimating the army he used lead which is bad.
Oh well the Sirionite army...not always easy to tame.. ;)
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After 6 months of no training, the animal has gone wild again ;)
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Well think yourself lucky you're not Fontan. A barrel full of fishing arguing over who should be shot first...
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Huge Battle Fought (21 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Hagley:
Westmoor vs. Sirion
Estimated strengths: 1510 men vs. 1790 men
The Army of Sirion (Sirion), sponsored by Ecthelion Tezokian, Duke of Sirion, Margrave of Sirion, were led into battle by Marshal Simba Warhawk.
The Red Dragons (Sirion), sponsored by Ecthelion Tezokian, Duke of Sirion, Margrave of Sirion, were led into battle by Marshal Ragnar Vlad.
The Silver Legion (Sirion), sponsored by Erik Eyolf Serpentis, Duke of Avamar, Margrave of Avamar, were led into battle by Marshal Giselle Relak.
The Westmoorian Column (Westmoor), sponsored by Maedros Iltaran, Duke of Westmoor, Margrave of Westmoor, were led into battle by Marshal Ravier Nebehn.
Sir Ilias Thunthorn (Royal) is spotted wielding the Axe of Betrayal.
Sir Thomas Foxglove, Lord General of Westmoor, Earl of Poitiers is spotted wearing the Blessed Band of Freedom.
Sezzil Marley (Knight of Westmoor) is spotted wearing the Silver Cloak of the Maiden.
Anurak Invictus, Count of Blaastambar is spotted reading from the Black Book of Betrayal.
Ragnar Vlad, Count of Limbar, Marshal of the Red Dragons is spotted wearing the Old Gem of the Maiden.
Defender Victory!
Finally the moment we all have been waiting for: The Battle of Hagley :D
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Hehe. We thought Westmoor would just stay in their capital. It was rather surprising they came out of their capital to engage us. It was an awesome battle nonetheless :)
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Indeed it was. Another scar to add to Ravier's body somewhere. One of these days they'll add up and he'll be dead.
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Indeed it was. Another scar to add to Ravier's body somewhere. One of these days they'll add up and he'll be dead.
You're not even the third longest serving hero in Westmoor yet!
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You're not even the third longest serving hero in Westmoor yet!
Note that I didn't specify when it would happen. :P
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Finally rise the true Lord of the North! :P
Huge Battle Fought (7 hours, 11 minutes ago)
Rumours spread and tales are sung about a huge battle in Greatbridge:
Sirion vs. Westmoor
Estimated strengths: 1300 men vs. 1170 men
The Army of Sirion (Sirion), sponsored by Ecthelion Tezokian, Duke of Sirion, Margrave of Sirion, were led into battle by Marshal Simba Warhawk.
The Westmoorian Column (Westmoor), sponsored by Maedros Iltaran, Duke of Westmoor, Margrave of Westmoor, were led into battle by Marshal Ravier Nebehn.
Sir Ilias Thunthorn (Royal) is spotted wielding the Axe of Betrayal.
Sir Thomas Foxglove, Lord General of Westmoor, Earl of Poitiers is spotted wearing the Blessed Band of Freedom.
Sezzil Marley (Knight of Westmoor) is spotted wearing the Silver Cloak of the Maiden.
Kendris Deleus (Dame of Sirion) is spotted wielding the Old Shield of Righteousness.
Maliki Nautilus of Westmoor, Lord Treasurer of Westmoor, Baron of Dulbin was captured by Morgan Hossenfeffer's unit.
Attacker Victory!
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A most excellent battle. Young Aednadh, daughter of Rhidhana, just won her spurs:
Battle Results (9 hours, 41 minutes ago)
Your unit participated in a battle in Greatbridge. Your scribe has written down a battle report as a Scribe Note.
The battle lasted for 3 hours.
You have gained 4 Honour and 4 Prestige.
5 of your men were killed and 2 were wounded in this battle.
Morale of your troops falls by 2 points. Your men's equipment suffers 22 % damage. Combat training increases by 4 points. Unit cohesion rises 3 points.
A few more cavalry charges like that and she'll be ready to follow in her mother's footsteps ???
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I gained 1 honor for that battle.. Pathetic..
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I gained 1 honor for that battle.. Pathetic..
Sucks :/
Cavalries probably gained the most since they stayed the longest.
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I was one of the last five TL of Westmoor in that battle. However, I just remembered I command an archer unit. Ouch :(
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Yes, it was a pretty good battle for cavalry. After years being on the receiving end of those powerful Elven charges it's fun to see how the other half live ;D
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If my entire archer unit ever dies I am recruiting those dang horses...
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You'll get more bang for your buck from a good ranged SF unit, but probably not as much glory.
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War cooldown a bit I think. Heh :)
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More like Westmoor runs away from fights now.
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More like Westmoor runs away from fights now.
Oh, just now? I thought they only fought battles when Mommy came to help them. Didn't realize their cowardice was new. :P
But no, it actually is a pretty good strategy considering the Westmoor army is vastly overwhelmed. No need to get your army killed when you don't have to have them killed, and no need to get your capital sacked from lack of defense. So they will just sit, and wait, and watch for a time to pick off some of the Sirion army. But it does suck for us with nothing better to do than wait for the next huge battle report.
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To be fair you have to be impressed by Westmoor, they haven't fallen into any of the traps set and have effectively maintained their economy while being targeted by a goliath. It's almost guerrilla warfare, they know the lands and terrain and just keep coming back it would seem.
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To be fair you have to be impressed by Westmoor, they haven't fallen into any of the traps set and have effectively maintained their economy while being targeted by a goliath. It's almost guerrilla warfare, they know the lands and terrain and just keep coming back it would seem.
Sirion made a rule that they would never attack a city(e.g. Oligarch) and actually haven't been doing as well so far as looting is concerned. From all friendly reports, enemy reports, and scout reports, I think it is fairly easy to say Webin is not a very good General though. Pity.
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If this exposes weaknesses in the Sirion chain of command, then it is not good for Sirion at all
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If this exposes weaknesses in the Sirion chain of command, then it is not good for Sirion at all
Sirion has a long history of quickly kicking out bad Generals. He will probably stay until the next war, and then he will bungle a few times and a new General will be placed in his stead.
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General has to be the hardest role, unless you win a lot. But with a pool the size of Sirion's you would expect some cream to be rising to the top.
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General has to be the hardest role, unless you win a lot. But with a pool the size of Sirion's you would expect some cream to be rising to the top.
Pressure makes diamonds. Few diamonds are made during peace.
General, Marshal, Ruler. They are all hard roles for different reasons. General because he is concerned with the overarching tactical plan of the realm and, in some realms, of putting orders in the hands of Marshals. Marshals because they have to get a bunch of people at the same place at the same time so the General's plan works. Ruler because they are concerned with the realms political affairs, which in some realms(especially on the EC, I find) their affairs are extensive.
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Sirion's weakness hmmm... Make a note to exploit that later.
Sadly its not in concern of reaching their capital
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Unless you have 90 k cs ur not getting any regions from sirion...
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Unless you have 90 k cs ur not getting any regions from sirion...
Not necessarily. Having spent literally years in Sirion, I know of a couple ways you could bring them down. It wouldn't be easy, but it could be done.
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lol 90k. You can smash any realm with an army that big. Allied armies of CE? They can't even stand in the way of the army of 90k CS. SA? won't stand a chance. All realms on EC? Smash them before they gather in one place.
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lol 90k. You can smash any realm with an army that big. Allied armies of CE? They can't even stand in the way of the army of 90k CS. SA? won't stand a chance. All realms on EC? Smash them before they gather in one place.
Yup. And even in 5v1, I think Sirion only ever had to deal with as much as 45K maybe. I think we saw 50K gathered but never fought that much.
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I don't think he meant literally 90k CS.
Anyway, I suggest taking a look at the EC history. Sirion's core has been breached once in the past seven years; when Fontan captured Avamar in 2008. Short of a civil war, its hard to see that feat being repeated.
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I don't think he meant literally 90k CS.
Anyway, I suggest taking a look at the EC history. Sirion's core has been breached once in the past seven years; when Fontan captured Avamar in 2008. Short of a civil war, its hard to see that feat being repeated.
Well yeah, if you will only march on Trinbar, Sermbar, or Avamar like Fontan did, then of course it won't happen.
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I never said it hadn't been breached...
Simply put that it sad that the weakness they say they have does not concern the path to get to the capital. Truly would be a feat to take down those walls some. Problem isn't way of defeating Sirion it's always about getting enough realms/rulers motivated to do so. Then getting generals to coordinate effectively.
90k CS? Are we talking about Damions?
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I never said it hadn't been breached...
Simply put that it sad that the weakness they say they have does not concern the path to get to the capital. Truly would be a feat to take down those walls some. Problem isn't way of defeating Sirion it's always about getting enough realms/rulers motivated to do so. Then getting generals to coordinate effectively.
90k CS? Are we talking about Damions?
Then find semi-clever ways not to smash your enemy into the walls. Seems straight forward to me.
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Perhaps we all need some motivations. Some lessons well learnt from the past may help guide us in our preparation.
Fontan has times and again smashed their army into Sirion in Trinbar. It was particularly disheartening to see we all keep regroup only to smash ourselves onto the wall again :(
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Three-pronged attack. One heading for Trinbar, another to Avamar, and the last army northwards heading towards the inner Sirion regions.
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Three-pronged attack. One heading for Trinbar, another to Avamar, and the last army northwards heading towards the inner Sirion regions.
Clever, but I doubt it would work more than a couple times.
@Ketchum: It was VERY heartening on the other side. ;D
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Three-pronged attack. One heading for Trinbar, another to Avamar, and the last army northwards heading towards the inner Sirion regions.
So Sirion laughs at the two southern prongs, lets the militia take care of them, and handily cleans up your northern army before they can do any damage.
I know this, because it's been tried.
There are just three ways to break Sirion:
- Gather all the rest of the armies of the continent to simply smash through one of their two strongpoints (preferably Avamar) in a single titanic display of overwhelming force.
- Somehow manage to trick them into believing a feint at the south is the real attack, while a hidden army moves around to hit them from the north. (The only thing I could think that might have a vague chance of this is massive use of the Modify Equipment feature.)
- Get them to break apart from within. (How is left as an exercise for the reader.)
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So Sirion laughs at the two southern prongs, lets the militia take care of them, and handily cleans up your northern army before they can do any damage.
I know this, because it's been tried.
well but sometimes we (sirion) got pretty close to lose somewhere. I remember how desperately we were running from avamar to trinbar kick back fontan people then run north to catch the pesky troops of soa pillaging there. in the end we could always contain the damage and send back the invaders, but, at least for a certain period, not that easy as it sounds..
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well but sometimes we (sirion) got pretty close to lose somewhere. I remember how desperately we were running from avamar to trinbar kick back fontan people then run north to catch the pesky troops of soa pillaging there. in the end we could always contain the damage and send back the invaders, but, at least for a certain period, not that easy as it sounds..
True. But we were an active bunch. Got !@#$ done. :D
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True. But we were an active bunch. Got !@#$ done. :D
Good times. So many active people and over 120 nobles :). The last time I played I reached 100 honour in one and a half month. 200 by just over 3-4 months. :)
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I never felt that we had it that easy either. I believe that when we had about 50k from five realms against us just before Caligus declared war on Westmoor the only thing that saved our bacon was a timely use of the infiltrator ability to turn signposts which caused a large part of the attacking army to arrive late for the battle.
I know that as general I relied quite heavily on the military strength statistics to know exactly how much forces to keep in the north to defend against the Sultanate, while sending everything else down to Fontan. And that is not really possible anymore. Which is good, although as General you use the intelligence available to you.
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The day Sirion falls... will most likely be the same day when the orcs come back or Iblasdesh religion resurfaces. So im not rather concerned about it.
However, I am interested in those islands in the west. Will the volcano ever erupt, again? Ha, a colony it's been some time since I saw one of those on EI.
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It would be nice if the geography changes again to make it more interesting or at least make strongholds be placed in more strategical locations.
I doubt Caligus will try to destroy Sirion as long as their colony is weak and vulnerable. If Caligus attacks Sirion with Perdan and they manage to destroy Sirion, Perdan will just rofl stomp Caligus after and become the strongest realm on the continent.
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Perdan and Westmoor vs Armonia, Caligus, Dunnera, and Eponyll...
Bets any one?
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Dunnera is still weak, rather useless for Caligus. Capitals of Armonia and Epollyn are pretty far away from Perdan. Westmoor can burn Dunnera while Perdan deals with Caligus. Caligus will be forced to be defensive until reinforcements from the south arrive.
It will be very interesting but I doubt it will happen since Perdan doesn't want to mess with Caligus. Caligus always seem to have an upper hand against Perdan...
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Westmoor has friendly relations with both former Ibby realms and is working on closer ties with Dunnerland.
This delusion that Westmoor will blindly side with Perdan is foolish and just plain false. Their lack of aid against Sirion turned much of our nobility cold towards them.
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Westmoor has friendly relations with both former Ibby realms and is working on closer ties with Dunnerland.
This delusion that Westmoor will blindly side with Perdan is foolish and just plain false. Their lack of aid against Sirion turned much of our nobility cold towards them.
No one will buy Jor's words on that, Tanos. I talked to Turner and he seemed to be annoyed by it as well but at least he was willing to work hard to break that stereotype. Maybe Jor should do the same?
I think too many realms are considered to be puppets and other realms are drawing a line right immediately after the creation of the 'puppets'. Maybe puppets should work together to bring down the big boys...
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No one meaning your characters/Sirion? Well, it's a damned good thing Jor doesn't care what either think.
In a pure Perdan v. Caligus war, I think it'd be very close. Their capitals are right next to each other. Whoever sacked the capital of the other first would likely hold the upper hand for quite some time. Unless one was attempting to outright destroy the other, or got others involved, Jor would keep Westmoor out of it. He has no desire to see either parent realm perish.
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No one meaning your characters/Sirion? Well, it's a damned good thing Jor doesn't care what either think.
In a pure Perdan v. Caligus war, I think it'd be very close. Their capitals are right next to each other. Whoever sacked the capital of the other first would likely hold the upper hand for quite some time. Unless one was attempting to outright destroy the other, or got others involved, Jor would keep Westmoor out of it. He has no desire to see either parent realm perish.
Jor apparently doesn't care about finishing conversations either. Obito is still waiting on a letter from Jor lol.
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No one meaning your characters/Sirion? Well, it's a damned good thing Jor doesn't care what either think.
In a pure Perdan v. Caligus war, I think it'd be very close. Their capitals are right next to each other. Whoever sacked the capital of the other first would likely hold the upper hand for quite some time. Unless one was attempting to outright destroy the other, or got others involved, Jor would keep Westmoor out of it. He has no desire to see either parent realm perish.
Doubt it. Perdan has about 14-15 nobles more than Caligus, 4-5k more gold, and better infantry RCs. Perdan can field over 30k but Caligus can't. Caligus can't handle the full might of Perdan at her current state and won't be able to fight them on rural regions.
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Jor apparently doesn't care about finishing conversations either. Obito is still waiting on a letter from Jor lol.
Been preoccupied. Sorry about that. I'll try to send something out tonight.
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Been preoccupied. Sorry about that. I'll try to send something out tonight.
No worries. I figured.
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The day Sirion falls... will most likely be the same day when the orcs come back or Iblasdesh religion resurfaces. So im not rather concerned about it.
However, I am interested in those islands in the west. Will the volcano ever erupt, again? Ha, a colony it's been some time since I saw one of those on EI.
I'd love for a new island chain to arise or something similar that adds more regions or changes the landscape a bit.
And the Sirion vs SoA/Fontan war was a blast. First time in Sirion and I really got involved.
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I'd love for a new island chain to arise or something similar that adds more regions or changes the landscape a bit.
And the Sirion vs SoA/Fontan war was a blast. First time in Sirion and I really got involved.
Maybe having an island chain that isn't useless like OI will do some good.
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I do not understand why OI is pretty stuck useless on their island. How come other realm in other island fare better? ???
Sound like peace talk between Sirion and Westmoor will bring a fruit and a cookies soon ::)
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I do not understand why OI is pretty stuck useless on their island. How come other realm in other island fare better? ???
Sound like peace talk between Sirion and Westmoor will bring a fruit and a cookies soon ::)
OI is all low income badlands. Their regions are just horrible. If they are going to become a realm with any influence, they need to move inland and abandon that cursed islands.
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It's sort of funny, considering volcanic soils are technically great for farming crops typically. Even if they weren't gold producers, you'd think they'd at least have a few rurals.
If any more islands are added (which I would personally like to see), I'd hope that the Obsidian Islands are improved somewhat. They definately have the short end of the stick atm.
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It's sort of funny, considering volcanic soils are technically great for farming crops typically. Even if they weren't gold producers, you'd think they'd at least have a few rurals.
If any more islands are added (which I would personally like to see), I'd hope that the Obsidian Islands are improved somewhat. They definately have the short end of the stick atm.
Depends on how recent the eruption was, and the composition of the magma. It's not like volcano's shoot out soil :)
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True. Though it's been long enough for a full city to have been built and relatively thrive on said volcanic islands? >.>
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It's sort of funny, considering volcanic soils are technically great for farming crops typically. Even if they weren't gold producers, you'd think they'd at least have a few rurals.
If any more islands are added (which I would personally like to see), I'd hope that the Obsidian Islands are improved somewhat. They definately have the short end of the stick atm.
I brought up both of these arguements to Tom several times, he doesn't care to hear it so I gave up years ago.
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I cant believe SoA could not just kill OI... 18 nobles vs a peak of 40 and we could only take one region
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I was under the impression that SoA never really tried. What was the point, after all? Their lands suck, and they were completely ineffective. The only time they ever managed to do anything was when Sirion marched up the peninsula and held their hands to escort them around a few regions.
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I was under the impression that SoA never really tried. What was the point, after all? Their lands suck, and they were completely ineffective. The only time they ever managed to do anything was when Sirion marched up the peninsula and held their hands to escort them around a few regions.
As far as I know, SoA never launched any major offensive campaigns against OI. Sure, they attacked Kazan and Stora a few times... But that's because OI was being a pest, not because they were out to kill them.
That being said, OI isn't what it used to be. It is stronger than it was. Granted, I think they would still have to do some land shifting and noble gaining before they could be a middle of the pack realm, but their forces(if organized well) can tip the balance of war now, whereas against Sirion, they were practically a token force waiting to get squashed.
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Well we did fight over Stora and we started making ideas of attacking Kalmar
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OI is all low income badlands. Their regions are just horrible. If they are going to become a realm with any influence, they need to move inland and abandon that cursed islands.
Maybe OI should seriously consider become mercenary realm like Darka 8)
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Maybe OI should seriously consider become mercenary realm like Darka 8)
Darka has like what...five or six times the cs that OI does? And that would be on Darka's worst day and OI's best.
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Darka has like what...five or six times the cs that OI does? And that would be on Darka's worst day and OI's best.
A bit over the top, but yes. Darka is significantly stronger(Have a Marshal over there).
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Darka started in their humble beginning as well. OI should be able to do the same. Contract with gold, bring in much needed income for OI realm ;)
This Sirion vs Westmoor war looks more like an opportunity to give Marshals and Generals some experience. In prelude to the next big war to come. Wondering what the historians among us will call this war as ::)
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Darka started in their humble beginning as well. OI should be able to do the same. Contract with gold, bring in much needed income for OI realm ;)
This Sirion vs Westmoor war looks more like an opportunity to give Marshals and Generals some experience. In prelude to the next big war to come. Wondering what the historians among us will call this war as ::)
Heh. You are spot on. Sirion had a 6 months of peace period and her military became quite inefficient. Westmoor on the other hand, was hardened from fighting Fontan. I thought they would be a good practice target and the war proved I was right :). Never planned on destroying them though many people in Sirion thought I was going to wipe Westmoor out.
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Heh. You are spot on. Sirion had a 6 months of peace period and her military became quite inefficient. Westmoor on the other hand, was hardened from fighting Fontan. I thought they would be a good practice target and the war proved I was right :). Never planned on destroying them though many people in Sirion thought I was going to wipe Westmoor out.
Keeping them from claiming former Fontan lands was quite important as well...
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Keeping them from claiming former Fontan lands was quite important as well...
Well that was my excuse to start the war. Of course it was important but not as important as making our armies as good as six months prior.
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Just joined, nice reading so far!
:)
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Interesting development.
I have to say Sirion's diplomacy/strength/cunning truly have been in motion since their last major threat. past rulers such a Doc would be proud. Perhaps, some nation will not fall.
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Doc was probably one of our best. Meristenzio was really good too.
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I never felt that we had it that easy either. I believe that when we had about 50k from five realms against us just before Caligus declared war on Westmoor the only thing that saved our bacon was a timely use of the infiltrator ability to turn signposts which caused a large part of the attacking army to arrive late for the battle.
I know that as general I relied quite heavily on the military strength statistics to know exactly how much forces to keep in the north to defend against the Sultanate, while sending everything else down to Fontan. And that is not really possible anymore. Which is good, although as General you use the intelligence available to you.
Thing is, facing an overwhelming force like that would have spelt the defeat of any other realm on the continent. The fact that Sirion actually won is testament to the supreme cartographic position it inhabits.
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Thing is, facing an overwhelming force like that would have spelt the defeat of any other realm on the continent. The fact that Sirion actually won is testament to the supreme cartographic position it inhabits.
It was 50k composed by the forces of 5 realms. Thankfully their coordination was not the best either. Sirion also got close to 35k of force defending, in sentries with their entire archer power dug in. I believe i have that battle in Sermbar saved somewhere...
Sirion's geography was not the mere reason of his success tho. Good strategy applied plus heavy commitment from everyone were the real keys to victory.
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Well it was easy since the travel from trimbar to Avamar was the 2 days, with the capital city in the middle of the road to 1 fully day.
And a small (5k-7kCS) asrmy stationed on Parm to keep SOA t bay on Caqueta and Csopa, i recall the fartest SOA manage to go into Sirion's land was Oslamar.
I really loved the war against Sirion it required strategy and not power, the reason i love more on BM. Power battles are just be silent, follow orders like a dummy puppet, attack here, there and profit!
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Well it was easy since the travel from trimbar to Avamar was the 2 days, with the capital city in the middle of the road to 1 fully day.
And a small (5k-7kCS) asrmy stationed on Parm to keep SOA t bay on Caqueta and Csopa, i recall the fartest SOA manage to go into Sirion's land was Oslamar.
I really loved the war against Sirion it required strategy and not power, the reason i love more on BM. Power battles are just be silent, follow orders like a dummy puppet, attack here, there and profit!
It was actually 1.5 days as it was Trinbar-Sirion-Limbar-Avamar. After the "Great War" i'd wrote an article explaining my strategy those days. It does not contain the full details (;)) but it sumarizes pretty much how we worked when we were under sieged by 5 realms.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Sirion_(Realm)/History/The_Epic_Defense_of_Sirion
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Re-reading that makes me wonder how the heck did i used such terrible syntax...
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It was 50k composed by the forces of 5 realms. Thankfully their coordination was not the best either. Sirion also got close to 35k of force defending, in sentries with their entire archer power dug in. I believe i have that battle in Sermbar saved somewhere...
Sirion's geography was not the mere reason of his success tho. Good strategy applied plus heavy commitment from everyone were the real keys to victory.
Any army composed of 5 realms is going to have problems with co-ordination, 'specially if some of them have to travel across the continent to get to you.
And don't think I doubt the competence of the defenders, it's just that sometimes competence isn't enough. I recall that the old Avamar realm was highly competent - raising ~25k cs with only 1-3 regions - yet in spite of that it eventually succumbed to brute force.
Given Sirion's geographic advantages I doubt it will ever be destroyed. It's tucked away in the corner of the continent with a ring of fortresses defending it's South and it's North being too remote for any serious threat to catch by surprise. It has a rich interior that only Perdan can compete with in terms of wealth. It's 'round' shaped, allowing for quick response to any portion of it under threat. And lastly it's neighbouring lands can never support a realm to contend with them, due their awkward positions and relative poorness.
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Fontan did a good job of contending with Sirion economically for three years, and if there had been a real internal unity could have probably kept the war going much longer. However there was always a divide between those who ultimately wanted peace with Sirion and a refounding of the Northern Alliance, and those who were deeply invested in the survival of the Sultanate.
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We still trying to beat Sirion? This has been a theme since 04 lol it's 8 years later and still Sirion is plodding along marshaling the north as they see fit. I see little change ever going to come. The only true way to beat them is to get everyone involved and coordinated... those days are long gone.
Now if a Duke or 2 split from Sirion that's another story, but why would they? They are part of one of the most powerful, longest lasting, best defensible places in the game.
Can we focus on something more particle? Perhaps destroying OI or Nivemus orWestmoor?
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We still trying to beat Sirion? This has been a theme since 04 lol it's 8 years later and still Sirion is plodding along marshaling the north as they see fit. I see little change ever going to come. The only true way to beat them is to get everyone involved and coordinated... those days are long gone.
Now if a Duke or 2 split from Sirion that's another story, but why would they? They are part of one of the most powerful, longest lasting, best defensible places in the game.
Can we focus on something more particle? Perhaps destroying OI or Nivemus orWestmoor?
So, what you need is 1 or 2 deep-cover moles to infiltrate Sirion and gain Dukeships there.
This is a long-term plan, on the order of a RL year or two.
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So, what you need is 1 or 2 deep-cover moles to infiltrate Sirion and gain Dukeships there.
This is a long-term plan, on the order of a RL year or two.
1 or 2 years won't get you a dukeship in Sirion... :( And I doubt Erik or Alexander will quit anytime soon lol.
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Avamar is mine... I will never quit. BM and Internet have to die first so I can leave my duchy. Too much time to achieve it. Erik will sit there until someone say mortality will be implemented. I believe that's the same to Alexander and Ecthelion.