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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Cren on June 15, 2012, 12:17:51 PM
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Dwilight would soon see its newest light weight religion "Pantheism", the worship of mother nature. The backbone is made, gonna add some deities and views of other religions. Will go live soon.
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Isn't that a real-world religion?
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Yes, its easier and more fun. I would make some modifications in it to make it SMA appropiate, though it was created in medieval times only.
Edit: Would add some deities for RP purposes. And its going to be first religion Fissoan nobility would accept.
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Unless I'm mistaken I think there is a pretty strict "no real world religions" policy. People get touchy over that stuff I suppose.
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Dwilight would soon see its newest light weight religion "Pantheism", the worship of mother nature. The backbone is made, gonna add some deities and views of other religions. Will go live soon.
Hippies.
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Pantheism isn't an actual 'religion', that's like naming your religion 'Monotheism'. Pantheism is the school of thought (to which I personally subscribe) that believes the essence of the world itself is divine, perhaps even imbued with the spark of life, from the tiniest pebble to the vehement stars that dot the sky. We do not worship in the casual sense, instead choosing to revere and honor the beauty of the natural world in all of its facets and shades. Pantheism adheres to no dogma, chants the name of no god, and cares not for organized religious institution. It is a loosely-held nature-based belief system in which the natural order of things is upheld, as it should be.
There are various other hybrids and faiths similar, such as Panentheism, which is Pantheism (nature = divine) with the belief that the spirit/embodiment/divinity of the natural universe takes some sort of physical shape or form, effectively mixing Pantheism with Judeo-Christian Monotheism or sometimes even more complex systems based on Pagan and neo-Pagan faiths.
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In your case, as soon as you add deities/etc you're no longer representing Pantheism at all. I'd rather folks not get even more misconceptions of my beliefs based on a grammatic mistake. ;) If you're going for a Pantheistic system with gods, the more accurate term would be Panentheism.
Funny, I actually have a joke about that in my Fantasy religion Arkhan'a. <_< There's a legend about a nameless demigod sometimes called Pan-En who lies imprisoned within an ivory tower atop the highest mountain of the world, chained unto the very structure and left to slowly die as millenia bleed on endlessly. The whole joke is that Pan-En, also known as 'The One', is the physical embodiment of life itself; effectively functioning as a single divine beating-heart for all of mortality. He's a fluke in the system, really, and should never have been created - just a religion joke I injected into the storyline that I later found hilariously ironic and decided to play with. Pan-En is actually the primary source of conflict in what was supposed to be the 3rd and final book. :P
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I totally forgot about that No real world religion policy.
@Ehndras, Sorry if my ignorance hurt your feelings. I knew that Pantheism isn't the worship any embodiment of God, still wanted to make changes for IG purpose only. I should not have tried to make changes in it.
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Oh, no problem man. I don't get hot and bothered by religion talks. :P I have friends of many faiths, standard and non-standard, and have had plenty of in-depth discussions with members of practically every faith - spiritual or religious. I just wanted to avoid the usual misconceptions people have, because misinformation -loves- to go viral ;)
You can just have a panentheistic system and make up your own name and rules for it. :) I'm actually about to instate my polytheistic-pantheism Fantasy religion from my unpublished novel series I abandoned, heh. I got tired of writing Fantasy, but I still love the religion I created. :)
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Pantheism isn't an actual 'religion',
True. Since its so broad, it might be fine.
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As long as he changes the name he's good.
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Verdis Elementum is pretty pantheistic...
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Verdis Elementum is pretty pantheistic...
Well, it's mostly elemental-based--fire/water/air/earth. I would like to see it fleshed out--we have so many 'skinny, lightweight' religions with little material. Cren, why don't you simply add whatever material you have to an existing religion? "Mother Nature" could be one of the Earth Gods.
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Well, it's mostly elemental-based--fire/water/air/earth. I would like to see it fleshed out--we have so many 'skinny, lightweight' religions with little material. Cren, why don't you simply add whatever material you have to an existing religion? "Mother Nature" could be one of the Earth Gods.
We basically study nature, then attribute various phenomenons to (most unnamed) gods.
ex: Why do we have tides? Because a god creates them. Alright, now we can study why and how this god creates the tides so that we may better understand and exploit them.
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We basically study nature, then attribute various phenomenons to (most unnamed) gods.
ex: Why do we have tides? Because a god creates them. Alright, now we can study why and how this god creates the tides so that we may better understand and exploit them.
Tide comes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. It's so simple when you think about it.
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vonGenf, you completely missed the whole point of this being a discussion based on religious systems.
They're not supposed to be logical. At all. Ever. :P
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Apparently there is/was a religion in BM titled "The Pantheist Path", which have nothing common with Pantheism or similiar beliefs.
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http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/The_Pantheist_Path
It was on Atamara. Died a long time ago. 4+ years.
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Nice, there are a few vague parallels with my own religious system, though it seems rough around the edges and not very well-planned, like it was rushed and then abandoned. It had potential.
I put up a thread for my Polytheistic Fantasy religion discussion, advice and suggestions appreciated. :)
http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2639.msg60288.html#msg60288 (http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2639.msg60288.html#msg60288)
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A lot of religions get started and then fail. Most often because the founder essentially does an ass-pull out of nowhere with a new religion. So a piece of advice is to start getting IC support for your new religion *before* you pull the trigger. Make sure your realm will support you, or you will die fast.
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Thanks for reminding me. I need to hit the Bay12 BM thread and go find out who it was in Bellua that said I'm welcome to join their nation and start a religion. :P
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I said that. It's Riombara, though it may not be the only realm who would.
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Ok, my char have got some IC support regarding pantheistic belief system. I would think of a cool name, flesh out the details and its views on other religions. Thanks for the fantasy idea!
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Woo! If you need help with a name, let me know :) I took the cheap route and named my religion after the Patriarch god :P Its also the name of the language I created as a kid that I later adapted to the novel.
Something Fantasyish would be very nice, there are too many religions with 'official' sounding names ;)
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Ok, my char have got some IC support regarding pantheistic belief system. I would think of a cool name, flesh out the details and its views on other religions. Thanks for the fantasy idea!
"I will join the religion" is one thing, "I will help develop the religion" is quite another.
Finding converts is relatively easy. Finding people who will help you so that you don't do everything all by yourself is quite another. Those who say they will help are rare, and those who actually do are almost mythical.
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"I will join the religion" is one thing, "I will help develop the religion" is quite another.
Finding converts is relatively easy. Finding people who will help you so that you don't do everything all by yourself is quite another. Those who say they will help are rare, and those who actually do are almost mythical.
QFT.
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By IC support I meant people were interested about the religion. Like joining it, building temples kind of.
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Still now the name is Path to Eternity. It has a panentheistic base, complete with deities, basically the embodiments of the forces of nature. Mixture of celtic, christian, hindu and mayan beliefs. It has some similiarities with Manifest Path that it considers abominations and hell spawns as potential threats, Verdis Elementum and Aetheris Pyrism (we have a demi/god, the embodiment of fire, who raze the earth when human minds brim with impurity, but is generally considered evil and not worshipped). I would start a new thread soon.
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It has some similiarities with Manifest Path that it considers abominations and hell spawns as potential threats
It actually considered deities to be potential threats, as any non-human entity. Not just monsters, undead and daimons.
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It actually considered deities to be potential threats, as any non-human entity. Not just monsters, undead and daimons.
Thats why said some.
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By IC support I meant people were interested about the religion. Like joining it, building temples kind of.
Yea, well, that's kind of a piece of cake.
Unless you want to be the one that makes all of the conversions of nobles, the one that writes all of the religious texts, always the one that spreads (or attempts to) the faith to new realms, and even probably do all/most of the preaching to the masses.
Finding priests is easier than real contributors, but still aren't easy to get. It's no coincidence that most faiths only have 1 priest, and very very few have more than 3 (or even 2).
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Well its tough to get priests in Fissoa. Its just the beginning, it would (hopefully) gain momentum soon.
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I wish you luck, my friend.
I'm prepared to do all the hard work for my religion. I have other nobles anyway so I can fight and aspire politically while maintaining my religious precepts and Priestly ways. :)
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The more well-developed religions we have in the game, the better. I hope you can manage to develop a truly multi-realm, viable religion. One your other big challenges will be to convince people you aren't the usual realm-centric national religion.
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I'd love to bring my religion to other realms/continents, but I don't know how well that'd be received in light of the usual socio-political power vacuums set in place by established religions. :P
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Yes, its everywhere like "x religion is from the realm we are warring. Boycott it" ! Only a religion that has a strong appeal /probably/ is free from that.
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That's a pretty dense mindset regarding religion.
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That's a pretty dense mindset regarding religion.
Unfortunately it is what happens. I hear (OoC) that is a reason for AP not to spread in Fissoa. I hope Cren gets better luck.
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Unfortunately it is what happens. I hear (OoC) that is a reason for AP not to spread in Fissoa. I hope Cren gets better luck.
No religion has been told they cannot come to Fissoa as far as I am aware. A variety of priests have come through they have just failed to convince many people that they are the true faith.
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No religion has been told they cannot come to Fissoa as far as I am aware. A variety of priests have come through they have just failed to convince many people that they are the true faith.
I mean the "x religion is from the realm we are warring. Boycott it", not that it is not formally well received. It was just an OoC comment I received anyway.
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That's a pretty dense mindset regarding religion.
The issue is many were religions were and some are a blank god is almighty and the only god. Any actions helping blank realm is glorifying the god. So it would be that the religion is against any realms warring the realm their god favors and thus you would want to boycott it since the priests would likely use it as a weapon against the realm. It would be a dense mindset if it hadn't and wasn't like that so often. One interesting thing is though I know of a religion like that, that has 2 priests and has recently had a member of the faith but also a realm other than the one the god praises, build a temple in his region.
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One interesting thing is though I know of a religion like that, that has 2 priests and has recently had a member of the faith but also a realm other than the one the god praises, build a temple in his region.
Hmm, what religion might that be? ???
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Evgenism, I can't say there is much religious chat but the religion is not dead.
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I remember when the Carelians razed a temple in Matakonis, many Suvillians went to the verge of destroying all Evgenism temples in the neighbouring Carelian territories. It proves religion is everywhere considered a propaganda for a particular realm.
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It is hard to get out of the religion=realm mindset. Most, if not all, of the early formal religions in the game were state religions designed for no other purpose than to keep out foreign (e.g. hostile) religions. Some religions are used specifically to support the state (Flow of the Balance, the various Alluran incarnations, early Church of Humanity, etc.) And this is excluding the theocracies. And when you see a priest using their religion specifically to help their realm in a non-religious war, it solidifies the religion=realm concept.