BattleMaster Community
BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Foundation on June 22, 2012, 05:00:02 PM
-
Anyone ever thought of making a Dwilight power ranking? It would encompass CS, military capability, economy, political strife, RC quality, and so on.
Only top 10 please. :)
If anyone knows SC BW it should be like the TL Power Rankings.
Note: this better be better than the FEI power ranking thread.
-
Part of what I like about Dwilight is that a power ranking of the realms only would give you, in fact, so little information. You really have to know not only the realms, but also the power blocs and the personalities involved, otherwise you can't tell any realm's real strength.
-
Yes, and a proper power rank should take all those into consideration. Here Power is not Immediate Military Prowess alone, but the ability to win given a war between two realms. Thus it would take into account diplomacy, reliability of allies, economy, and dedication of the characters in the realm among other things.
I'm trying to see who knows the most about the various realms on Dwilight and their inner workings. :)
-
and dedication of the characters in the realm among other things.
Your thinking is way too realm-centric. Realms should show dedication to characters, not the other way around! ;D
-
I'm trying to see who knows the most about the various realms on Dwilight and their inner workings. :)
Given the one character limit, I doubt many players have truly had the opportunity to play in multiple realms, let alone across more than one of the main power blocs or cultures. I've only played in SA realms, and only two of those at that. Nearly my entire time has been spent playing in Astrum.
There are definitely a few who I know have traveled around, but I imagine they're exceptions.
-
Yeah. Oh well 'soon', I will join Lurians and we will see how good they are.
-
I have travelled in my youth mainly, spent most times in Thulsoma/Asylon.
-
Well, I see it as...
1. Morek
2. Astrum
3. Aurvandil
4. Asylon
5. Terran
6. Kabrinskia
7. Luria Nova
8. D'Hara
9. Grand Duchy of Fissoa
10. Corsanctum
Compiled that in 15 minutes, so if it's screwy, don't judge me. :P
-
Astrum, if they win the war, will probably reach close to 30 regions. So they will take that number one spot in time ;)
-
1. Astrum
2. Aurvandil
3. Morek
4. Luria Nova
5. Asylon
6. Kabrinskia
7. Terran
8. D'Hara
9. Solaria
10. Fissoa
Were it not for Astrum's many colonies and allies, I would have put Aurvandil at #1.
-
It's nice to have powerful friends. :)
-
Also, I would have ranked Terran above Kabrinskia: on paper I think we're stronger. But I'm not confident that's actually the case currently.
-
If Kabrinskia wins this war, things will change. Asylon and Kabrinskia will switch places.
-
Personally, I don't think a reasonable realm ranking for Dwilight can be configured in this manner. If you want to develop a power ranking it should be segregated by parts of Dwilight that actually deal with each other. Or split on a cultural basis. You could rank every realm on Dwilight this way, but they just wouldn't all be ranked together.
Given the one character limit, I doubt many players have truly had the opportunity to play in multiple realms, let alone across more than one of the main power blocs or cultures. I've only played in SA realms, and only two of those at that. Nearly my entire time has been spent playing in Astrum.
There are definitely a few who I know have traveled around, but I imagine they're exceptions.
Yep, I've been in every single cultural area of Dwilight at this point. With that in mind, I'm going to try and culminate a list right now, however I am not sure that I can limit myself to only placing realms on the list. I may have to include power blocs on the list as well. We'll see.
-
Yep, I've been in every single cultural area of Dwilight at this point. With that in mind, I'm going to try and culminate a list right now, however I am not sure that I can limit myself to only placing realms on the list. I may have to include power blocs on the list as well. We'll see.
As long as SA is at the top of your list ::)
-
1. Aurvandil
2. Astrum
3. Morek
4. Luria Nova
5. Asylon
6. D'Hara
7. Kabrinskia
8. Terran
9. Solaria
10. Corsanctum
-
Okay, I have decided upon a list. This list takes into account all that Foundation mentioned in the first post. While some of the picks are out of order on what you may consider a pure military stand point, I have placed particular weight on political strife/stability (both internal and external), demonstrated military cohesion and performance, and management of available resources.
1. Aurvandil
2. Astrum
3. Morek Empire
4. Lurian Federation
5. Kabrinskia
6. Terran
7. Asylon
8. Zuma Coalition
9. Corsanctum
10. D'Hara
Discussion of picks for clarification of choice:
1. Aurvandil receives the top spot due to demonstrated ability having the highest cohesion in an army yet demonstrated on Dwilight, and the ability to maximize limited resources for broad military gains. With a stronger economy than before their war with Madina, they are well poised as the strongest military power on Dwilight.
2&3. Astrum and the Morek Empire are very close. Morek Empire could arguably be said to have a stronger influence militarily in the area around its regions, and has a larger noble count. However, Astrum's economy is better than Morek's and Astrum's political influence beats that of Morek at the current date. With Brance from Astrum as Regent of SA, additional influence and points are gained by Astrum.
4. Luria is a pickle. Having been a player of Luria since the very beginning of Alanna's reign there, I have a particular bias towards Luria. However, I do not believe that bias has caused me to incorrectly place Luria here. The reasons are quite simple, and hard to understand for anyone who has not played in a Lurian realm. From the outside, Luria appears fragmented and has large political instability. However, when faced with a foreign threat, the alliances in Luria are ironclad, and a Lurian will fight beside a Lurian they hate if Luria is threatened before they would ever fight a Lurian. Foreign diplomacy for Luria has been as a single cohesive unit, and that is why they are the only power bloc included on this list. The Moot is excluded because in their war against Kabrinskia they demonstrated inability to capitalize on superior strength and did not exercise the full force of their federation.
5&6&7. Kabrinskia, Terran, and Asylon are very close together. Based purely on numbers, the order should be Asylon, Terran, Kabrinskia. However, I have chosen the opposite based upon the following reason:
a. Kabrinskia was able to fight Terran to an essential stand still and won in military matchups which they should have lost, due to failings in the Terran military command.
b. Terran failed to capitalize on their superior military and economic advantage. Terran also has better allies than Kabrinskia but has demonstrated inability to use them effectively. Meanwhile, Kabrinskia has demonstrated a very good ability to capitalize on its political links to come to its defense.
c. Asylon should be higher on the list, but political instability both internal and external have knocked it down on the list. With a stronger militay and economy than both Kabrinskia and Terran, Asylon would have been at #5. However, their ruler has demonstrated an ineptness at politics that highly weakens his realm's strength, while indicating possible insanity. With the current course of the war in that region, it is likely that Kabrinskia will only grow stronger at Asylon's expense, which places it in a better position.
d. Kabrinskia currently (as of 7 days ago) tops the charts of CS/noble demonstrating their ability to capitalize on their strength more than any other realm in the current term.
8. The Zuma Coaltiion. Technically they are a realm, even if it is an NPC realm. They make the list primarily due to their ability to incite fear in the surrounding realms, as well as their demonstrated ability to both influence conflict in the surrounding areas, while having their enemies fight against each other instead of uniting on the Zuma. The Zuma have very strong military capabilities in the short term and have used them to maintain territorial sovereignty and continue to make progress on their goals on the island, with many of Dwilight none the wiser. However, due to weaknesses in their fighting capability they only come in at #8.
9. Corsanctum has a decent sized military capability. However, their true strength comes in their religious influence and importance to the religion of Sanguis Astroism. As the power-seat of the prophet, they are essentially safe from all military persecution by outside influences (besides the fact they are also surrounded by allies).
10. D'Hara could have received a higher spot on the list due to their economic advantages, allies, and geographical position. However, their lack of any sort of military (although this is changing) and lack of many advanced recruitment centers reduces their point on the list. But, they are also a realm likely to rise in power rapidly when they choose to do so. Unfortunately they have allies on one side while the Lurian Federation on the other. Expansion prospects are slim.
-
There are three hegemonies on Dwilight: SA, the 'moot, and Luria. Everyone else is irrelevant, or soon to be. Not trying to be flippant about it, but as the continent fills up, interests tend to coalesce, and those are the groups that have formed. Sucks for Aurvandil, Asylon, and Summerdale.
-
There are three hegemonies on Dwilight: SA, the 'moot, and Luria. Everyone else is irrelevant, or soon to be. Not trying to be flippant about it, but as the continent fills up, interests tend to coalesce, and those are the groups that have formed. Sucks for Aurvandil, Asylon, and Summerdale.
Asylon and the Moot remain closely allied. Terran's army is in Via right now.
-
lol your evaluation of Asylon only shows your vast ineptness. There is no political instability in Asylon. You get one noble out of 38 yapping on the forum and think the whole kingdom is falling apart. Trust me, things are awesome right now in Asylon. We had a few hiccups in the beginning. Plus, the whole insanity thing doesn't work when you come from a kingdom named after your ruler who also has a hole drilled in her head.
If you knew anything about the current situation you'd know how irrelevant Allison is for Kabrinskia's future going forward, and yet she has done the thing MOST likely to secure the win for Kabrinskia in this war.
There is political instability with Asylon. The ruler of Asylon is inept in politics. You have created external political instability, in that from a foreign basis Asylon is seen as an unstable element by its neighbors. Internal stability may not currently be strong, however, as the war continues and if Glaumring continues to act as he has, he will likely cause internal stability issues. However, internal stability is a lot less relevant here, than the external stability.
Perhaps I'll be proved wrong about my list, but I gave explanations which I feel make a reasonable argument for the positions that I chose.
There are three hegemonies on Dwilight: SA, the 'moot, and Luria. Everyone else is irrelevant, or soon to be. Not trying to be flippant about it, but as the continent fills up, interests tend to coalesce, and those are the groups that have formed. Sucks for Aurvandil, Asylon, and Summerdale.
This is extremely true. However, the only hegemony I felt was currently relevant to the list was Luria simply because they are the only hegemony who has proven so far that they will work together above all internal interests when it comes to external conflicts. SA, while materially stronger is not as united as Luria. The Moot is probably not even militarily stronger than Luria when Luria decides to actually build a military fit to fight foreign realms. On an even scale, Luria would probably beat the Moot, and the Moot is a lot less cohesive than Luria.
On the one hand though, a strong cohesive singular realm can stand up united interests such as Luria and the Moot. Aurvandil though is the only realm I currently consider capable of holding their own in such a situation through right now. But, if the federations do their job they would beat Aurvandil. However, Luria's lack of experience in fighting foreign realms (and lets face it, Fissoa doesn't count) hurts its rating.
-
There are three hegemonies on Dwilight: SA, the 'moot, and Luria. Everyone else is irrelevant, or soon to be. Not trying to be flippant about it, but as the continent fills up, interests tend to coalesce, and those are the groups that have formed. Sucks for Aurvandil, Asylon, and Summerdale.
I would rank that:
1. SA
2. Lurias
3. Aurvandil
4. 'moot
5. Asylon
6. Summerdale
Sanguis Astroism is clearly number one, but then it gets much less clear after that. I pick Luria as second because they are pretty strong and they are growing fast, which means even if they aren't second to SA yet, they should get there in time. Aurvandil next because they are crazy coordinated. 'moot after that because, although they are undoubtedly strong, their bonds have grown somewhat looser of late. D'Hara evades military conflict. Barca lost regions to Aurvandil. Terran stalemated a war against a weaker realm primarily due to military ineptitude. Asylon is beset and all sides and will likely lose Itau. Summerdale is on there way to the Lost Realms category.
-
Lol beset on all sides...
-
That is a bit of an exaggeration. Asylon doesn't have any enemies to the west.
-
Eh, I tend to slightly exaggerate when a giant SA hammer is coming down on a realm.
-
If you knew anything about the current situation you'd know how irrelevant Allison is for Kabrinskia's future going forward, and yet she has done the thing MOST likely to secure the win for Kabrinskia in this war.
Well that's a load of contradictory silliness.
-
Winter is coming...
Wonderful. Another one of the four seasons approaches. I do not know, however, why this has any bearing on Asylon's general strength, or power ranking.
If you would like to spread your delusions of Asylon grandeur and winning, there is a topic for that. This topic, though, is about how realms stack up against other realms continent wide though, and I don't want another topic dragged into talking only about Asylon. I enjoy talking about the Asylonian war. But I don't like only talking about the Asylonian war.
-
Well that's a load of contradictory silliness.
Actually it makes perfect sense, if you know what's actually going on.
-
If I understand what I read previously somewhere it makes a lot of sense.
-
Actually it makes perfect sense, if you know what's actually going on.
Beat me to it.
What I stated while on the surface makes zero sense, makes perfect sense once you know exactly what I'm referring to. And yes, it does secure Kabrinskia's future quite nicely. But apparently what I considered public information hasn't reached everyone yet, so we'll let that play out IC for more fun.
-
Beat me to it.
What I stated while on the surface makes zero sense, makes perfect sense once you know exactly what I'm referring to. And yes, it does secure Kabrinskia's future quite nicely. But apparently what I considered public information hasn't reached everyone yet, so we'll let that play out IC for more fun.
It is since I got the info if I recall on the forums but I haven't used it to effect my character in any way. If someone just though about how you posted it too they could figure it out. In character it might be public knowledge within Terran and Kabrinskia but I don't think outside of that.
-
It is since I got the info if I recall on the forums but I haven't used it to effect my character in any way. If someone just though about how you posted it too they could figure it out. In character it might be public knowledge within Terran and Kabrinskia but I don't think outside of that.
I plan to leave it as such, and believe it should be that way.
-
Actually it makes perfect sense, if you know what's actually going on.
It makes no sense, if you know what's actually going on. My secret knowledge that I'm not going to tell anyone makes my argument more right than your secret knowledge that you're not going to tell anyone!
You'll forgive me if I'm rather skeptical of your arguments, especially since you have a tendency to base your estimations of "internal instability" in Asylon based purely on... well, nothing.
-
Not knowing too terribly much about the southwestern part of Dwilight, and hardly ever getting news from that area, my personal views on the continent are as such. I fully agree with Solari in that the three hegemonies are basically what it will boil down to before too terribly long.
1st Place - SA, until religious schisms/fractures are allowed
2nd Place - Lurias, because, well, we are amazing like that.
3rd Place - The 'moot. Which IMHO, will become exactly that. Moot.
Although, with the next few weeks being slower, we will see how strong the internal political bond of the Lurian Empire is. I'm sure the Halls will be abuzz with all sorts of slanderous and evil things. ;) not really, but you politicians are a pain to be sure.
/me wanders off to the Imperial War College and twiddles his thumbs idly.
-
Once Asylon gets crushed and schism gets added I am sure things will change rapidly.
-
Remember when this thread was supposed to be about rankings, and less about Asylon v. Whomever?
-
Remember when this thread was supposed to be about rankings, and less about Asylon v. Whomever?
Yea, those were good times...
-
Then stop the constant spreading of bull!@#$ propaganda that I have to constantly correct. Never as a realm since its inception been more maligned and !@#$ talked than Asylon. And here we are a large kingdom, with many nobles and territory. Yet endlessly !@#$ talked on the forums, its unbelievable.
Glaumring, just shut up. They have been saying their opinion. If they think Asylon will be crushed then thats their thought. Its getting really old how whenever someone mentions the word Asylon you can't shut up about the dam war and how you guys will win against all odds because you guys are perfect, which sounds like propaganda to me. Now quit ranting about your realm in every single thread.
-
Epic lists, guys. One of these days I'll collect together the rankings and make some sort of semblance of them and put up a unified ranking with a timestamp. These are guaranteed to change.
Personally I'd rather only put realms on the list since they are the guaranteed blocs of power that will remain relevant long into the future, but I do agree with the analysis that right now certain blocs have very high cohesion. I simply wonder how long it will take for communications to break down and realms to begin looking out for their own interest (realm-wide communication is most reliable). :)
-
It makes no sense, if you know what's actually going on. My secret knowledge that I'm not going to tell anyone makes my argument more right than your secret knowledge that you're not going to tell anyone!
You'll forgive me if I'm rather skeptical of your arguments, especially since you have a tendency to base your estimations of "internal instability" in Asylon based purely on... well, nothing.
Huh? Silverfire said something cryptic. Someone else said "That makes no sense". Except it does. If it doesn't make sense to you it's probably because you don't know something. The knowledge in question is not that secret but also not necessarily widespread. And I don't know what the hell you're talking about when it comes to Asylon. I don't recall having engaged in any such speculation recently.
-
I have this feeling Asylon gets all the crap mainly because of who its ruler is. Anyway, for power rankings:
1 SA (including Libero)
2 Zuma
3 Auravandil
3 Luria
5 Asylon
4 Veinsormoot
5 Summerdale
-
I looked only at the numbers, based on active characters, economical strength, food supply, and you could gain some points for political stability.
This is my list:
#1. Astrum
#2. Morek Empire
#3. Aurvandil
#4. Asylon
#5. D'Hara
#6. Terran
#7. Corsanctum
#8. Luria Nova
#9. Kabrinskia
#10. Solaria
And for those interested, the rest:
#11. Grand Duchy of Fissoa
#12. Luria Vesperi
#13. Libero Empire
#14. Iashalur
#15. Summerdale
#16. Barca
#17. Pian en Luries
-
Note that the above is based on numbers alone. If everyone would reach its total potential, and use all their resources as efficient as possible.
The current military strength or relative military strength are not included in the ranking.
-
I looked only at the numbers, based on active characters, economical strength, food supply, and you could gain some points for political stability.
This is my list:
#1. Astrum
#2. Morek Empire
#3. Aurvandil
#4. Asylon
#5. D'Hara
#6. Terran
#7. Corsanctum
#8. Luria Nova
#9. Kabrinskia
#10. Solaria
And for those interested, the rest:
(nobody cares)
Estimating D'Hara on current military might is not a good indicator of our capacity. We made it a policy to recruit as little as possible so as to accumulate as much wealth as possible. We have lots of spare gold waiting for a reason to be spent, and lots of families who are really rich and have nowhere to invest in.
In any case, from what I've seen, I'd put
#1 Aurvandil
#2 Morek
#3 Astrum (having a crapload of regions doesn't make for an effective army)
-
Estimating D'Hara on current military might is not a good indicator of our capacity. We made it a policy to recruit as little as possible so as to accumulate as much wealth as possible. We have lots of spare gold waiting for a reason to be spent, and lots of families who are really rich and have nowhere to invest in.
In any case, from what I've seen, I'd put
#1 Aurvandil
#2 Morek
#3 Astrum (having a crapload of regions doesn't make for an effective army)
Should host a tournament if you have so much gold!. >:(
-
Should host a tournament if you have so much gold!. >:(
Meh, too far from everyone. In the middle of everyone means forever from everyone. Our only neighbors are the whales. The only attendants last time we hosted one were, I suspect, lost drunken sailors.
-
Meh, too far from everyone. In the middle of everyone means forever from everyone. Our only neighbors are the whales. The only attendants last time we hosted one were, I suspect, lost drunken sailors.
I was there :) with Morekians >:( and lost :/
-
The only attendants last time we hosted one were, I suspect, lost drunken sailors.
Those are the best, they are full of interesting stories to tell.
-
Meh, too far from everyone. In the middle of everyone means forever from everyone. Our only neighbors are the whales. The only attendants last time we hosted one were, I suspect, lost drunken sailors.
I could announce the tournament, before its officially announced, in the SA halls which reach all the way to the Lurias so it would allow many more people to be ready and able to go then, though I would definently wait untill after winter.
-
I can't rank the Lurias (+Fissoa) or D'hara because I know absolutely nothing about those realms (If I had to guess, I'd insert D'hara at 3.5 just from the gold generated by 4 cities and a stronghold; Solaria I'd rank first of the Lurias at 6.2, then Luria Nova at 6.5 and Luria Vesperi at 6.8; Fissoa would fall in at 11th), but here's the rest:
1. Astrum
-- With a broad power base and immense political sway (three colonies and the Regent of Sanguis Astroism), Astrum couldn't help but place in the top 2. Strong leadership and a centralized government help them place their armies where they're supposed to be, and a broad set of alliances ensures that there's always a friendly army around when the going gets tough. Their centralized location allows them to project force anywhere in north and central Dwilight.
2. Aurvandil
-- When they get into a war, they activate their timehacks excellent coordination and goldhacks economy management to field perhaps the most effective fighting force on Dwilight, now that they have a real set of regions to back them. I'm not aware of any alliances they may have, so I've placed them in second; if they procured a reliable ally in an offensive war then they'd jump up to 1st; as it is, they'll have to settle for 2nd.
3. Morek Empire
-- Their decentralized model (I know, right?) hurts their overall ability to field an effective fighting force (Dukes retain right of War), but when the entire realm is mobilized it's a terrible thing to behold. Membership in the SA political bloc means their alliances are strong, but their eastern position makes it hard for them to project their might to the farther reaches of Dwilight, but it also means they can't be effectively assailed, either, putting them solidly at 3rd.
4. Kabrinskia
-- Repelling time and again the advances of Terran, Kabrinskia's ability to wage offensive war against her neighbors is fairly limited, but falling under the umbrella of Astrumese protection and led by the extremely savvy Allison Kabrinski (at least until she abdicates), a defensive war would be very difficult for them to lose. Add in their relationship with the Zuma, and Kabrinskia cruises in to a 4th place finish.
5. Terran
-- Able to field a larger army than Kabrinskia if they could only get it to move together, their position in the Veinsormoot commands many allies to their defense; unfortunately, coordination has been their downfall. That, and a shaky-at-best relationship with the Zuma severely hamper any war efforts. Still, they managed to war against a Theocracy without incurring the wrath of SA, so that's something. I'll give them 5th.
6. Asylon
-- With a stronger military than either Kabrinskia or Terran, Asylon should have clocked in at 4th place easily; unfortunately, they've enflamed quite a set of enemies (Astrum, Kabrinskia, Iashalur & Corsanctum) and are bereft of allies. The negative diplomacy demotes them all the way down to 6th, but I don't expect them to hold that spot through the end of their current war.
7. Libero Empire
-- Fresh off a Morek-aided victory over Summerdale, Libero has added Storm's Keep to their posessions; close relations with Morek and nominal membership in the SA political bloc help their status, but what helps most is that their only neighbors who are credible threats are both friends. With no route to expand once what's left of Summderdale is gobbled up and no real way to project effective military force to 2/3 of Dwilight, Libero will have to accept 7th.
8. Corsanctum
-- Corsanctum is dull, but they have decent land and can field a fair-sized army when they finally put their minds to it. That, and being the seat of the Holy Prophet of Sanguis Astroism doesn't hurt, and helps them sail into 8th place.
9. Iashalur
-- About the same strength as Barca, Iashalur has one severely underdeveloped city (along with several underdeveloped woods and an underdeveloped townsland) and another townsland left to claim; their growth potential and close relationship with Astrum are just enough to eke out a 9th place finish. Expect them to climb at least two spots within two in-game years.
10. Barca
-- Membership in the Veinsormoot ensures defense against foreign war and they have a decent route for future expansion (as long as the Zuma play nice), but with two small cities and only one townsland left to claim, their growth potential falls short of Iashalur; proximity to Aurvandil a liability, I have little choice but to leave them 10th.
-
1. Astrum
-- With a broad power base and immense political sway (three colonies and the Regent of Sanguis Astroism), Astrum couldn't help but place in the top 2. Strong leadership and a centralized government help them place their armies where they're supposed to be, and a broad set of alliances ensures that there's always a friendly army around when the going gets tough. Their centralized location allows them to project force anywhere in north and central Dwilight.
I wonder how long it will take before you forget that Iashalur and Kabrinskia were Astrum's colonies, in the same way that you forget now that Astrum is a Morekian colony?
-
I wonder how long it will take before you forget that Iashalur and Kabrinskia were Astrum's colonies, in the same way that you forget now that Astrum is a Morekian colony?
That depends how long it takes the leadership to either forget or get over it. Astrum's been around long enough that having been originally colonized by Morek is pretty much irrelevant AFAIK (which is why I didn't mention it). Iashalur will be allied with Astrum as long as Turin's king (and likely his successor as well), though I don't know about Kabrinskia. It's not as if Astrum's had to fight a defensive war since Caerwyn, though, and I don't expect them to have to any time soon.
-
I wonder how long it will take before you forget that Iashalur and Kabrinskia were Astrum's colonies, in the same way that you forget now that Astrum is a Morekian colony?
We didn't forget, but Astrum came into its own a long time ago. Also, of the original colonists who started out in Morek, there's only two left in Astrum: Brance and Sergio. Everyone else joined Astrum after the fact, most of them long after the fact. Conversely, a lot of the characters still in both Iashalur and Kabrinskia were nobles of Astrum once, so we still have a lot of influence in both places.
Also, let's face it - Morek's never been big on keeping its colonies close; it turned on every single one of them, actually. Remember when Allison decided to try starving Astrum out? Remember Aquilegia? Remember Avalon? By contrast, Astrum has maintained good relations with its colonies thus far, which have turned into a bumper crop of reliable allies.
-
We didn't forget, but Astrum came into its own a long time ago. Also, of the original colonists who started out in Morek, there's only two left in Astrum: Brance and Sergio. Everyone else joined Astrum after the fact, most of them long after the fact. Conversely, a lot of the characters still in both Iashalur and Kabrinskia were nobles of Astrum once, so we still have a lot of influence in both places.
Yes, Astrum is a big boy by now! I always want want to pinch their cheeks and say "My my, how much you've grown!" ;D
Also, let's face it - Morek's never been big on keeping its colonies close; it turned on every single one of them, actually. Remember when Allison decided to try starving Astrum out? Remember Aquilegia? Remember Avalon? By contrast, Astrum has maintained good relations with its colonies thus far, which have turned into a bumper crop of reliable allies.
Actually, I don't remember Avalon?
-
I think he means Aurora.
Avalon was a realm on BT that died several years ago.
-
Actually, I don't remember Avalon?
Me neither, really. They weren't around that long, and I'm not 100% sure I got the name right.
I think he means Aurora.
Avalon was a realm on BT that died several years ago.
OK, definitely didn't get the name right.
A Republic, I think, led by Lefanis. They were based in Unterstrom. Remember how Morek, specifically Allison, almost went to war with Corsanctum? I'm pretty sure it was sparked in part by the Avalonians Aurorans joining Corsanctum and attempting to bring a claim to Unterstrom with them. That didn't play well in Morek.
-
Also, let's face it - Morek's never been big on keeping its colonies close; it turned on every single one of them, actually. Remember when Allison decided to try starving Astrum out? Remember Aquilegia? Remember Avalon? By contrast, Astrum has maintained good relations with its colonies thus far, which have turned into a bumper crop of reliable allies.
I wonder why this happens..
-
There's one common thread to the end of good relations with all those colonies...
Now she has her own realm.
-
Aquilegia was a mixture of a lot of things, including Garrett, and then the Twinblade clan. Allison didn't start that conflict. She went to war to try and restore the original regime to power.
-
Aquilegia was a mixture of a lot of things, including Garrett, and then the Twinblade clan. Allison didn't start that conflict. She went to war to try and restore the original regime to power.
Twinblade clan... one man clan for the win.
-
I wonder why this happens..
Aurora was set up to fail to get rid of unwanted nobles from Morek in an easy fashion. The Astrum starvation was done to set up Corsanctum. Something Allison never gets credit for.
-
Aurora was set up to fail to get rid of unwanted nobles from Morek in an easy fashion. The Astrum starvation was done to set up Corsanctum. Something Allison never gets credit for.
That's because most of the original colonists were from Astrum, which you had attempted to starve. We wrote the history. ;D
-
Oh boy. Allison has gotten plenty of credit for starving Astrum.
The original idea for Corsanctum came from Anabellium.
Allison ended up putting it into action because she was also the one holding Astrum at trade point.
I spent a lot of energy preventing Allison from declaring jihad on half of Dwilight. Starving Astrum, attacking Corsanctum, thinking about sacking Summedale, nearly starting a civil war in Morek - Anabellium's influence is pretty much seen in all the !@#$ she prevented from happening. In fact, just this week, I questioned the need to declare a fruit shack evil - and then possibly crusade on it.
Aquilegia was a mixture of a lot of things, including Garrett, and then the Twinblade clan. Allison didn't start that conflict. She went to war to try and restore the original regime to power.
I'm pretty sure the war on Aquilegia happened during Anabellium's reign. We ended up turning around and crushing the Ravianlands instead. Unless we're talking about another war. My memory's fuzzy. Anabellium was also the one call for the Magistratum and who provided the case to crucify Garret on his Trinity Thesis.
Regarding Asylon, we're shaping up a bit. I'm not going to say more than that because with King Glaumring, anything could happen ;D
-
Nice to see you back in the game. ^_^
-
Regarding Asylon, we're shaping up a bit. I'm not going to say more than that because with King Glaumring, anything could happen ;D
I have learned a few lessons. I also have the best nobles in the game working to clean my messes up!
EDIT: fixed quote notation. beginning of quote does is not preceded by a slash.
-
Regarding Asylon, we're shaping up a bit. I'm not going to say more than that because with King Glaumring, anything could happen ;D
I have learned a few lessons. I also have the best nobles in the game working to clean my messes up!
It really works, most of Asylon has been mopped up already!
-
So around 2 months from the original post how would you guys rate dwilight now? I'm now going to put my opinion out there because I'm not experienced with a vast majority of the continent.
-
Seems my overall power ranking list never materialized. :-/
-
1. Morek
2. Astrum
3. Solaria
4. Aurvandil
5. Kabrinskia
6. Luria Nova
7. Terran
Though it's hard to say exactly; I might rank Kabrinskia lower. Terran can still field a mobile army outside its borders; I dunno if Kabrinskia is able to do that right now. But honestly, at this point, Aurvandil is much weaker than it was, and obviously the Moot is crushed as an entity. I don't rank the Lurias much higher, though: they have, thus far, proven themselves shockingly slow, and have yet to demonstrate an ability to fight their war together.
-
Why woudl Aurvandil be weaker? Are they having food problems, too?
-
I don't see how Luria has proved anything either way, seeing as I have not seen a single battle between the two sides.
-
well we have lost regions to the whole madina/falkirk thing and have had to deal with the no food thing to but our military potential has went up if anything.
-
Why woudl Aurvandil be weaker? Are they having food problems, too?
D'Haran scout reports from several weeks ago showed regions going rogue/low control. My guess was (and is) that they jacked their taxes up to 25% in order to afford their 30k cs army to smash the 'Moot, and then had their regions go rogue while they were smashing the walls of Paisly.
-
well we have lost regions to the whole madina/falkirk thing and have had to deal with the no food thing to but our military potential has went up if anything.
Wasn't the plan to spin Madina off as a new realm? I suppose I thought that this was that plan in action. Let's face it, if this wasn't planned, then that new realm should already be dead. You don't spit in the face of that war machine with a two-bit secession like Falkirk and expect to survive.
-
Wasn't the plan to spin Madina off as a new realm? I suppose I thought that this was that plan in action. Let's face it, if this wasn't planned, then that new realm should already be dead. You don't spit in the face of that war machine with a two-bit secession like Falkirk and expect to survive.
Just because it was planned doesn't mean it didn't hurt us. Losing a city and several regions income isn't good for anyone.
-
That is true. I guess I didn't expect the word "lost" to be used in terms of a planned secession.
-
A list without Asylon on it is a pretty lame list, we are still here, united and fighting hard. Lost a few regions to starvation... No big deal we will retake them once we get a harvest.
1. Astrum (stable)
2. Aurvandiil ( massive army)
3. Solaria (rising power)
4. Kabrinskia ( only because their trade for food)
5. Asylon (drought)
6.Terran ( poor leadership)
7. D'Hara ( porous borders)
-
My list:
1. Astrum
2. Morek
3. Terrence
4. Aurvandil
5. The Lurias
6. Terran
7. Asylon
8. Kabrinskia
-
I don't see how you rank Kabrinskia below Asylon in that, Velax. Even by Glaumring's own admission, Asylon is weaker currently. They lost nearly all their cities. And seeing as how we were holding them off when they had four cities, now that they're down to two cities they're going to be hard-pressed to make a come back.
-
1. Morek
2. Astrum
3. Aurvandil
4. Solaria
5. Terran
6. Kabrinskia
7. Asylon
-
I'm not aware in any significant change in Solaria. Can someone enlighten me to their increase in power?
-
I'm not aware in any significant change in Solaria. Can someone enlighten me to their increase in power?
The fact that they have the most to gain from the war against D'Hara rose them in my book. Even if they just get Sallowtown from D'Hara, that's a city to protect their Western regions from attack. If they start losing the war, they will drop in my rankings. Until then, they stay top 5 as they have united with the Luria's(well, kind of) and can gain some land out of this war.
-
My list was purely western-centric and included Solaria since they will influence the west for the first time with their new war on D'Hara.
I would also like to amend my list and add Terrence in #8.
Asylon is weak right now because of food, we still maintain a fair army and peace with Astrum alleviates certain stress. We survived the war took a beating, changed somethings, learned some things in the process. We are happy to have achieved peace and partially ended the war, plus I am completely out of politics and doing some introspection and preaching. I am proud of Asylon, but our cost was great and though we do not fear war, we have learned to respect it.
-
My opinion and I will stand by this is that if Terran and D'Hara had actually chosen to fight the war unified and we all stuck together the situation right now would have been much much better, instead D'Hara tried to act like it was a major player and immune to events around, the Terran senate is wishy washy and tactically inept. If all three kingdoms had stayed unified we would have at least created a quagmire hold out situation and allowed the northern armies to fight on multiple fronts, we may not have won but our unity and constistency would have made the conflict much better for all of us. Instead it showed that the Moot was weak, Terran incapable of fighting a multifront war nevermind one or two battles in a one week time span, but showed that D'Hara wasn't even capable of amassing or mobilizing an army outside of their own islands. Barca was also shackled by weak diplomacy and could have easily made a proper peace with Aurvandiil but instead thought that its tiny army had a realistic chance against 35000cs in Aurvandiil.
The moot is dead, by their own hand. Republics are ineffective and Asylon will work with the kingdoms that rise from the ashes, hopefully they will be more aware of the value of actually doing something instead of acting like it.
I was the greatest supporter of Terran and the Moot and it speaks volumes when even I have turned away from it. No one in Terran knows how hard I fought for strong relations with Terran even when many in my realm questioned my dedication. I have been proven wrong.
-
words
Terran is alive and well. Shino, in fact, is calling for a binding referendum on leaving the 'moot... But we will see how that works out.
-
*Glaumring still raging over Terran winning their war with Kabrinskia, when Asylon couldn't do the same*
-
Just because it was planned doesn't mean it didn't hurt us. Losing a city and several regions income isn't good for anyone.
Although the secession only actually lost you the city didn't it? the other regions had already gone rogue or changed allegiance before that...
-
Although the secession only actually lost you the city didn't it? the other regions had already gone rogue or changed allegiance before that...
But either way those regions would be gone now regardless so I really don't see your point.
-
But either way those regions would be gone now regardless so I really don't see your point.
Politics and pedantry, nothing more :)
-
They won nothing they merely delayed the inevitable. They did not win any war with Kabrinskia, it is that Asylon actually took over their war because they were incapable of fighting it. The moot is dead from the north or the south, at least they could have chosen to die like men.
-
Politics and pedantry, nothing more :)
Is there a difference? 8)
-
Terran did win their war against Kabrinskia. Peace was made according to Terran's terms.
-
This is not about that. This is failure of their senate and leadership looking long term. They played chess on a board only looking to the next move, they failed to take into account the long game. Big deal they made peace with Kabrinskia. They lost their friendships and showed that Terran just cannot fight, thereby emboldening their enemies and showing that the moot is irrelevant. Bravo!
-
This is not about that. This is failure of their senate and leadership looking long term. They played chess on a board only looking to the next move, they failed to take into account the long game. Big deal they made peace with Kabrinskia. They lost their friendships and showed that Terran just cannot fight, thereby emboldening their enemies and showing that the moot is irrelevant. Bravo!
Amen to that!
-
So far as I can tell, they only lost their friendship with Asylon. And that was, by and large, your own fault. Terran actually gained prestige from both Kabrinskia and Astrum for making demands, and then fighting until they got them, then stopping.
-
I don't see how you rank Kabrinskia below Asylon in that, Velax. Even by Glaumring's own admission, Asylon is weaker currently. They lost nearly all their cities. And seeing as how we were holding them off when they had four cities, now that they're down to two cities they're going to be hard-pressed to make a come back.
I guess my inclusion of #3 was not enough to indicate my list was not to be taken 100% seriously.
-
I guess my inclusion of #3 was not enough to indicate my list was not to be taken 100% seriously.
I blame a cookie distracting me for that one...
-
So far as I can tell, they only lost their friendship with Asylon. And that was, by and large, your own fault. Terran actually gained prestige from both Kabrinskia and Astrum for making demands, and then fighting until they got them, then stopping.
The difference is that Asylon did not want prestige, and a pat on the head. What we wanted was to be treated as equals. We fought a good fight against superior foes and we got a bloody nose, ultimately we showed that Asylon is not just going to be pushed or fold and I guarantee in the long term our attitude will be remembered as the one you want to be fighting beside.
-
I think Solaria is overly-ambitious and setting itself up for future betrayal due to its self-imposed dominance over the whole of the Lurias ;-) All that rises shall fall.
I think Asylon is a good nation and remain worthy allies but Glaumring is a self-righteous delirious nutjob who doesn't see he spread weakness and disease born of his own mistakes, upon which we faced a choice of either cutting off an infected limb in order to save the remnants or letting the entire body die. The only reason anything happened between Asylon-Terran in the negative sense is entirely due to Glaumrings IC, and sometimes just a utterly ridiculous OOC behavior. We never had a problem with Asylon itself, the problem was entirely with its leader utterly ruining the country through terrible diplomatic skill and bad management. You seem like a nice enough guy in OOC but you're serious deluded with some of the attitudes you portray IC and OOC, and my training and knowledge of psychology keeps pushing me toward the notion that you have deep-seated self-esteem and/or abandonment issues that make you hunger for a target for you to deviate attention, blame, and sense of guilt from yourself unto others because you despise !@#$ing up yet can't stop trying to accomplish what you believe must be done.
Don't take this as a psychological profile, I can't possibly give an accurate portrayal of someone's personality and internal stressors based on a set of incomplete behavioral patterns on a friggin' roleplaying game. :-P
I know for a fact that your IC issues stem from OOC stressors and something in your history for which you are consciously, or more than likely subconsciously, attempting to compensate via the manifestation of suck reckless heroics and self-elevation through adversity as the fateful martyr of northeastern Dwilight.
I honestly think you could do much with the assistance of a counselor. Hell, we all could. I'm a counselor myself and I need counseling for !@#$ sake :P To be honest, in a perfect world, every single human being would have two or more counselors. We ALL need someone who is detached from our life so as to have no stake nor bias in either direction, experienced in the nuances and pragmatic truths of behavioral science, and both able and willing to offer an objective and unbiased look into your behavioral patterns(temporary and everchanging like weather) and overall personality (long-term and less flexible like climate), outline spikes in undesirable/harmful occurrences, and be the tool that will teach you self-sufficiency rather than stand as a pillar of stability - of which all are destined to fall.
It is better to teach a man to love himself, value what he has, and fight for what he believes is right, rather than be the sole object of a man's love or affection, allow him to value others before himself, or fight for the wants and needs of others rather than his own.
You're a good dude, Glaumring, and I really appreciate what you bring to the table. I just honestly think you should distance yourself from all the stressors that push you over the edge and allow yourself some time to contemplate what triggers you, why, and how you react so that you can benefit in general and improve not only your ability to coherently roleplay, as our imaginary personality can only be as stable as our real personality, as well as your professional, intimate, and inter-personal relations.
The best thing you could ever have possibly done was give up your position as King. It was causing way too much stress and was the primary trigger of your woes... This might sound strange, but individuals may become addicted to the 'need', the feeling of being useful, necessary, powerful, or in a dangerous situation. Its the adrenaline rush of it all... I myself am guilty of being co-dependent as well as addicted to the rush of "martyrdom", in which you get yourself into !@#$ situations or allow !@#$ situations to manifest because you're confident you can get through them or feel the need to overcome them, or feel you're the best man for the job, when in reality its your brain satisfying its overbearing desire and addiction to those special little brain chemicals that make you feel the way you do...
I am terribly sorry if you feel uncomfortable or insulted by anything I said. For all I know you could be laughing right now as my assessment is as far from the truth as humanly possible, or you could quite literally be crying as you realize the truth of my words. Or you might just be wondering what the hell Ehndras is on about at 1 in the morning. Nonetheless, if you *do* wish to discuss this, or anything really, my inbox is always open and my arms and ears welcome to anyone who needs a helping hand, the reassurance of an honest friend, or the advice of someone who's been through hell, survived to tell the story, and dedicates his life to both ensuring that no one ever has to suffer through the hell I did, as well as caring for those who've gone through my journey and lost something along the way.
Take care of yourself, my friend.
(How the !@#$ did I get this off-topic? JEEZE.)
-
This is not about that.
You keep making it about that when you say "Terran lost the war." Like, literally, it is EXTREMELY clear cut that Terran won the war. Terran wanted X, Y and Z, fought a war, and then got X, Y and Z. It is literally the definition of winning of a war.
If you want to argue Terran is incompetent, etc. etc. fine. Just stop saying they lost the damn Kabrinskian war.
Amen to that!
Dude, Kale used to love Shino. Now he basically despises him. I've never seen a relationship go from so good to so bad, so quickly lol.
-
If your definition of victory is setting the bar so low that even the ants of the earth must bow to pass under it then perhaps we will never come to a middle ground regarding the matter.
Regarding my recent councilling lol, I was under a lot of stress last month couple months, I started a new job in the oil/gas industry and was learning a lot of stuff and was far from home living in a hotel, working 12 hour days 6 or 7 days a week. So, yeah I was a bit manic. Since I had a month holiday, moved to a new city I am feeling much better... But... I am back at work doing night shifts for 12 hour shifts 6 days a week in an oil refinery in northern Alberta... So expect some more crazy over the next few weeks, because now Im possibly up here for 3 more months in camp in a jail cell sized room during the days... Oh what fun BM will have!
-
Dude, Kale used to love Shino. Now he basically despises him. I've never seen a relationship go from so good to so bad, so quickly lol.
Yeah...
Shino. You love him or you hate him. He's hotheaded and crafty, and sometimes that is his undoing. I think he is going to have to step back from the whole 'moot removal stuff though. Part of this is just for flair because he really wants Vellos gone.
-
The difference is that Asylon did not want prestige, and a pat on the head. What we wanted was to be treated as equals. We fought a good fight against superior foes and we got a bloody nose, ultimately we showed that Asylon is not just going to be pushed or fold and I guarantee in the long term our attitude will be remembered as the one you want to be fighting beside.
moderator: removed personal attack.Honestly, until you went out of your way to provoke this conflict it's not like Astrum looked down on Asylon or thought much of it one way or the other. As for Kabrinskia, before I arrived it was run by Allison, so any insults or disrespect coming out of Kabrinskia then should have been expected, and, if you were wiser, ignored as obvious attempts to provoke you into doing exactly what you did.
-
Why woudl Aurvandil be weaker? Are they having food problems, too?
Terran's CS was actually briefly higher than theirs. Terran's army is the biggest it has ever, ever been.
Aurvandil has had food and control issues, secession, and we'll see if Fissoa does anything. Aurvandil is definitely weaker than in the past. Still very strong, but not as strong.
-
Courtiers don't contribute much CS. ;)
-
Moderator moment: I have removed some of the more obvious flames, insults, and fluff. Keep it on topic and polite, please.
-
Oh what fun indeed :P My recent manic foray RPing Alura as a Premenstrual flaming !@#$bag of rage(tm) was due to a massive pile of !!BULL!@#$!! going on in my business and personal life what with legal and personal issues but I've ironed both out and rather than have a failing business with an incompetent partner and a love-hate on-off thing with a stupid bitch. I'm now the sole owner of the company, kicked out my douchebag partner who happened to be my once-again-douchebag incompetent older half-brother, hired new employees to replaced the old manager who I fired for stealing from the company, and things are now going beautifully and I haven't enjoyed working this much in years. No, I've never actually enjoyed my job. :P Now, I'm actually enjoying it. WOO! Possibly hiring a 2nd employee, I'll be interviewing the guy officially Friday. Already checked his resume, did a preliminary phone interview follow-up, laid down the foundation for salary, hours, expectations, and duties, and got a list of business and personal references I'll be checking first thing tomorrow morning.
Things will get better, dude. Trust me when I say this. I'll explain what I mean via PM.
-
Terran's CS was actually briefly higher than theirs. Terran's army is the biggest it has ever, ever been.
Aurvandil has had food and control issues, secession, and we'll see if Fissoa does anything. Aurvandil is definitely weaker than in the past. Still very strong, but not as strong.
Yeah, Aurvandil's massive army isn't quite as massive as it use to be. I remember seeing a scout report of 35kCS marching towards Barca and being told OOC by someone that they had 5-10k back at home monster hunting. Now its just below 30kCS total, as in with militia. So their army is still large but not insanely huge anymore.
-
The problem with Aurvandil is that they have a massive amount of nobles, and of course, the bigger the army the more mouths to feed. Well, that and their attitude. I was actually split between Terran and Aurvandil on nations to join when I first came to Dwi. When the first Aurvandil RPs started rolling in before this conflict I really liked your RP quality, especially that one RP when you rolled into Barca's capitol. Priceless, masterfully executed, and beautiful. Its when the attitude, the self-righteousness, and the holier-than-thou behavior started rolling in that I sighed and thought "Oh great, its Kabrinskia all over again..."
I had once hoped Terran and Aurvandil might become friends, especially due to Terran's shifting political tides, but it looks like Aurvandil are digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole with every passing day...
I'm hoping we can all get out of this intact because I'd rather the southern lands not be utterly broken because that just means the Astrocracies and Lurias can start stealing lands and profit from our internal wars.
-
The problem with Aurvandil is that they have a massive amount of nobles, and of course, the bigger the army the more mouths to feed. Well, that and their attitude. I was actually split between Terran and Aurvandil on nations to join when I first came to Dwi. When the first Aurvandil RPs started rolling in before this conflict I really liked your RP quality, especially that one RP when you rolled into Barca's capitol. Priceless, masterfully executed, and beautiful. Its when the attitude, the self-righteousness, and the holier-than-thou behavior started rolling in that I sighed and thought "Oh great, its Kabrinskia all over again..."
I had once hoped Terran and Aurvandil might become friends, especially due to Terran's shifting political tides, but it looks like Aurvandil are digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole with every passing day...
I'm hoping we can all get out of this intact because I'd rather the southern lands not be utterly broken because that just means the Astrocracies and Lurias can start stealing lands and profit from our internal wars.
Aurvandil doesn't make friends. They use people to achieve their future goals.
-
Yeah, Aurvandil's massive army isn't quite as massive as it use to be. I remember seeing a scout report of 35kCS marching towards Barca and being told OOC by someone that they had 5-10k back at home monster hunting. Now its just below 30kCS total, as in with militia. So their army is still large but not insanely huge anymore.
Just saying expect our army to be up to size again soon. @ Ehndras Yea we are quite different in that we value honour more than anything else. With that being said, an Aurvandilian (is that even the correct term? I just always say Chevalier) sense of honour is really strange compared to others. If we found someone that shared our sense of honour Medicant might want to be friends with them.
-
If we found someone that shared our sense of honour Medicant might want to be friends with them.
Or kill them. About a 50/50 shot.
-
I share Aurvandil's sense of honor. I live by it. I chose Terran, honestly, because they seemed slower and more gradual. At the time I was looking for a nation in peace just to learn the ropes. I specifically researched every nation of interest and ruled out all those currently at war because I wanted to play peacefully until I knew what I was doing...
That obviously didn't go according to plan, what with me being a soldier, then Vice-Marshal, then Marshal, then Senator, and soon - more.
Nothing ever works out the way we plan... Thankfully. What a boring place this would be, eh?
-
Wherever Solaria appears in a list, replace it with Luria. Solaria doesn't lead the rest of Luria, and we aren't taking the Sallowcape for ourselves. Nope. Someone else has plans for that. :)
-
Wherever Solaria appears in a list, replace it with Luria. Solaria doesn't lead the rest of Luria, and we aren't taking the Sallowcape for ourselves. Nope. Someone else has plans for that. :)
Yes, Solaria II has plans for that!
-
Wherever Solaria appears in a list, replace it with Luria. Solaria doesn't lead the rest of Luria, and we aren't taking the Sallowcape for ourselves. Nope. Someone else has plans for that. :)
But...that completely blows my ideas out of the water. I mean Solaria controls Luria, Malus controls Solaria. Now Malus is an elder of SA, and while not controlled by SA is influenced by SA, so Brance controls SA and influences Malus, now Brance is controlled by Astrum, so Astrum controls Luria, and so SA controls Luria!
Now, I'm absolutely sure that there are absolutely no mistakes to my logic there only mistakes to my assertions. So, everyone fear SA!
-
Solaria controls Luria
The more times you say this the less it is true, my friend. Other Lurian realms, though lazy and boring, aren't stupid. :)
-
The more times you say this the less it is true, my friend. Other Lurian realms, though lazy and boring, aren't stupid. :)
Wait so you mean what I'm doing is actually accomplishing something? Well that's a first.
-
Wait so you mean what I'm doing is actually accomplishing something? Well that's a first.
I wouldn't be quite so bold, my friend. In time, in time, even a butterfly can... flap its wings. :P
-
The more times you say this the less it is true, my friend. Other Lurian realms, though lazy and boring, aren't stupid. :)
This, and the fact that Malus has zero interest in dominating Luria, and has said—and attempted to demonstrate—this from the beginning. Domination means exposure, and exposure invites unwanted attention. I just want a realm after the old fashion—realm-as-team—that can also be arsed to collect and sell its grain to the banker in an orderly fashion, and a Luria made up of single-city realms that can stop the cycle of endless cannibalization. Anyone who chats with me outside of the game knows this is my only real "issue", and something I'm perfectly happy to let bleed through into the character of Malus himself. If the other Lurias were dumb, it would be counterproductive to my own goals. :)
-
::)
-
Malus has zero interest in dominating Luria
Wouldn't it be nice if the Kings of Luria Nova and Luria Vesperi would bow to the command of Malus? Being the Emperor of all of Luria. Ghehe ::)
-
Wouldn't it be nice if the Kings of Luria Nova and Luria Vesperi would bow to the command of Malus? Being the Emperor of all of Luria. Ghehe ::)
GDoF is also apart of Luria, just saying.
-
GDoF is also apart of Luria, just saying.
Ah...no. No, it's not. Fissoa is a friend of Luria, but not a member of the Empire.
-
Ah...no. No, it's not. Fissoa is a friend of Luria, but not a member of the Empire.
Well thanks for the correction, I thought it was forced to be a part of Luria or something like that after its war against Luria but I am no expert on Luria.
-
Ah...no. No, it's not. Fissoa is a friend of Luria, but not a member of the Empire.
Really? I was under the impression it was part of Luria too.
-
Actually, out of curiosity, who is the emperor right now?
-
Actually, out of curiosity, who is the emperor right now?
I am. I lurk in the halls, letting all the little Kings have their little squabbles while pulling the strings from behind the curtain!
-
Actually, out of curiosity, who is the emperor right now?
...Bro.....aww screw it. Gets old after a while.
-
Really? I was under the impression it was part of Luria too.
The negotiations and treaty implied that but the reality seemed to be they didn't actually want us that close to them (plus one of the Lurias never actually signed the peace treaty...)
-
Actually, out of curiosity, who is the emperor right now?
There is none, but the Imperial Chancellor is former Queen and Imperatrix of PeL Alanna. Who'd have thought?
The negotiations and treaty implied that but the reality seemed to be they didn't actually want us that close to them (plus one of the Lurias never actually signed the peace treaty...)
Curiously I was presented a different version, in which it was the Fissoans who would not join it, at least yet.
-
I believe the Fissoans didn't want to join till things settled down.