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BattleMaster => Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Penchant on September 19, 2012, 04:10:42 AM
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Title: Conventions
Summary: Have something similar to a tournament where realm leaders may have a convention and discuss things.
Details: Create something similar to the tournament state for diplomats. Free training for Oratory like tournaments. Participants may buy drinks or whatever it is called that tournaments have. The host may be not an ambassador but must be a duke and a have city/townsland/stronghold in their duchy to host the event at. Their ambassador/s are automatically invited, and their ambassadors and the duke can invite a realm to the convention, which will invite just the realms ambassadors not the entire realm. Perhaps a fee to the duke to host the event. When the ambassadors accept their invite they will immediately start traveling as if they joined a tournament. The host will choose how long the event will last or perhaps it will just be manually disbanded by the duke. The invited can join or leave the event at anytime.
Edit: this will invite the government members of the invited, of the hosts realm, and invite the host though I feel they should kinda have to go since they are the host. Everywhere in the above where I mentioned ambassador it will also be include all who participate at the convention.
Benefits: Good for roleplay and extensive discussion of realm leaders.
Possible exploits: There likely are some but none I can think of at the moment. Will update as needed.
If the tournament code can't be used to make this than I doubt it's worth all the work.
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Sounds fun, sounds as if it could recycle most of the tournament code too.
But really, for both this and tournaments, we need hosts and government members to be able to attend as observers...
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But really, for both this and tournaments, we need hosts and government members to be able to attend as observers...
+1
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Sounds fun, sounds as if it could recycle most of the tournament code too.
But really, for both this and tournaments, we need hosts and government members to be able to attend as observers...
I thought it was implied about having hosts be able to attend, but since it it wasn't I will add them and your suggestion of the government. If we were to do this though perhaps it should just be called convention so it can be used as a military convention or food/trade one.
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Orrr... we could just add observers to Tournaments. :P
Simpler = better, if that actually accomplishes the core of what you want (i.e. multirealm diplomatic talks).
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Orrr... we could just add observers to Tournaments. :P
Simpler = better, if that actually accomplishes the core of what you want (i.e. multirealm diplomatic talks).
Yes and no. If you add observers to tournaments and made it possible to not have the tournament part ( the competion) as they are quite expensive and I mean for this to be something you can just do send all to everyone there with most of what is being discussed, where if this was a tournament you will have to consistently make sure you are not sending to recipients who shouldn't be hearing the info. Basically, a tournament without any competion and not everyone is invited.
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New code that is necessary to open up new tournament things has been worked on - well, not actively, more like on and off - for a while now. It just doesn't have a high priority. If you think it should, write up a full feature request with the things you want to see, bring it to the attention of our new project manager and have it included in the next round of feature voting.
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Maybe make it more general. "A Feast!" that way you can just have some of your favorite nobles, or enemies over to chat. Oratory could still be used and it's a little more period sounding as far as a concept.
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One reason I don't like this is that we make diplomats travel around intentionally. This would cut out a good part of the diplomat game.
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One reason I don't like this is that we make diplomats travel around intentionally. This would cut out a good part of the diplomat game.
As a counter suggestion...If we could actually get Diplomatic Immunity working, then this sort of thing could be replicated by just saying "Hey, everyone! Meet up in this stronghold, drinks are on me, let's hammer out some treaties!"
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As a counter suggestion...If we could actually get Diplomatic Immunity working, then this sort of thing could be replicated by just saying "Hey, everyone! Meet up in this stronghold, drinks are on me, let's hammer out some treaties!"
At the same time though diplomatic immunity isn't always wanted as sometimes it's more important to fight then have immunity. Also it makes warrior main class with diplomats pretty pointless.
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At the same time though diplomatic immunity isn't always wanted as sometimes it's more important to fight then have immunity. Also it makes warrior main class with diplomats pretty pointless.
Unless we're talking about different features, diplomatic immunity only prevented you from being arrested/picked up by patrols/etc. Your troops are troops, and are dealt with accordingly. I would strongly suggest that anything providing immunity to troops is open to so many abuses that we couldn't close them all.
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Unless we're talking about different features, diplomatic immunity only prevented you from being arrested/picked up by patrols/etc. Your troops are troops, and are dealt with accordingly. I would strongly suggest that anything providing immunity to troops is open to so many abuses that we couldn't close them all.
I thought you meant diplomats troops couldn't be attacked, which I don't like but I do like your suggestion.
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I've given this some thought and I still dislike the idea.
However, I would be open for giving diplomats some kind of wide-range communications options. Maybe they can send messages to all other diplomats within the same geographic area?
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I've given this some thought and I still dislike the idea.
However, I would be open for giving diplomats some kind of wide-range communications options. Maybe they can send messages to all other diplomats within the same geographic area?
Simply making it possible to send send messages to multiple diplomats you've already met (i.e. who are in your contact list) would work, while still necessitating travelling to meet new diplomats.
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Simply making it possible to send send messages to multiple diplomats you've already met (i.e. who are in your contact list) would work, while still necessitating travelling to meet new diplomats.
That will be possible with the new message system we are already testing.
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That will be possible with the new message system we are already testing.
i like either options, though how long do you think it will be on the new messaging system? A month (I doubt), 3 months, 6 months, a year? It doesn't't need to be an exact, just a range would be nice too, really anything other than "I have no idea" is a good answer.
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i like either options, though how long do you think it will be on the new messaging system? A month (I doubt), 3 months, 6 months, a year? It doesn't't need to be an exact, just a range would be nice too, really anything other than "I have no idea" is a good answer.
Not much longer, as a large number of the existing options are already included in the new system. There is, however, a bit of fine-tuning and other things still required. Such as the search function and some more filtering options.
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I feel as though there isn't much of a diplomat game in existence right now, in regards to any worries. My anecdotal evidence as Ruler and ambassador/diplomat over several characters seems to hint towards this conclusion. There's next to no use for them as most diplomatic interactions occur over Ruler channels and impersonal mediums (letters.) Heck, I've seen this point in-game multiple times as well.
I like this idea a lot, in contrast, as it has the potential to promote personal/physical interaction among diplomats and revives some kind of importance to them outside of signing treaties and slandering/praising other nations to NPC's. This could offer backroom politics, betrayals, trading of information, and anything included in traditional noble scheming.
However, I don't believe government members should be invited, unless they're from the hosting realm or are diplomats themselves. If they are invited, then you once again deter the whole concept of including diplomats, as the Ruler replaces his or her importance immediately. Government members should remain in their nation as they have obligations to do so, unless on military campaign or RARE state visits, while the diplomats do the field work in foreign nations. That's how it was, how it should be, and how it could be with this request.
+1 to the original post.
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I feel as though there isn't much of a diplomat game in existence right now, in regards to any worries. My anecdotal evidence as Ruler and ambassador/diplomat over several characters seems to hint towards this conclusion. There's next to no use for them as most diplomatic interactions occur over Ruler channels and impersonal mediums (letters.) Heck, I've seen this point in-game multiple times as well.
I like this idea a lot, in contrast, as it has the potential to promote personal/physical interaction among diplomats and revives some kind of importance to them outside of signing treaties and slandering/praising other nations to NPC's. This could offer backroom politics, betrayals, trading of information, and anything included in traditional noble scheming.
However, I don't believe government members should be invited, unless they're from the hosting realm or are diplomats themselves. If they are invited, then you once again deter the whole concept of including diplomats, as the Ruler replaces his or her importance immediately. Government members should remain in their nation as they have obligations to do so, unless on military campaign or RARE state visits, while the diplomats do the field work in foreign nations. That's how it was, how it should be, and how it could be with this request.
+1 to the original post.
The other way to massively increase the use and power of diplomats/ambassadors would be to just remove the ruler channel.
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The other way to massively increase the use and power of diplomats/ambassadors would be to just remove the ruler channel.
I don't really like this idea. It's relatively easy to bypass too, with the contacts system.
And let's not forget that not all realms can afford to have a ton of ambassadors. And even realms with lots of nobles don't necessarily have many nobles willing to take the often boring role of the diplomat.
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Yeah, I'm not a big fan of that idea.
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The other way to massively increase the use and power of diplomats/ambassadors would be to just remove the ruler channel.
Yeah...no. Sorry, that's always been a terrible idea.