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BattleMaster => Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Nosferatus on April 01, 2011, 06:31:15 PM

Title: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Nosferatus on April 01, 2011, 06:31:15 PM
To improve and support Ducal level playing and ducal orientated Politics, we should be able to hold duchal referendums, between all nobles or all lords, just like there are referendums for the entire realm.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Silverfire on April 02, 2011, 07:53:57 AM
+1

Great Idea. Should require very little coding(relatively), for a great gain in RP potential and gameplay intrigue.

Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Zakilevo on April 02, 2011, 08:10:24 AM
+1
Yeah. Dukes should play a bigger role than just a city's mayor.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Foundation on April 02, 2011, 02:33:22 PM
Quote from: Tony J on April 02, 2011, 08:10:24 AM
+1
Yeah. Dukes should play a bigger role than just a city's mayor.

This is the first time that I've read someone say that Dukes are underpowered.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Sacha on April 02, 2011, 03:06:27 PM
If your Duke is underpowered, you're not making full use of his capabilities ;)

That being said, +1 for duchy referendums. It could make internal duchy politics a bit more interesting, methinks.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: songqu88@gmail.com on April 06, 2011, 07:25:48 PM
Universally, or for specific government types?
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Nosferatus on April 06, 2011, 07:52:17 PM
universally and punishable by law under judges law options preferably.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: songqu88@gmail.com on April 06, 2011, 07:59:45 PM
In what way punishable? As in, the duke can be fined for running a duchal referendum? Because that would provide the basis to go back to where we started, as in, without such a feature.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Nosferatus on April 06, 2011, 10:34:54 PM
yes every realm should have the option to have some sort of absolute tyranny or monarchy with no duchal politics allowed.
Most realms will not make it punishable i think.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Telrunya on April 06, 2011, 10:52:55 PM
No need to make any additions to Referendums for that. Simply ask your Judge to take action, if he thinks he can handle the Duke...
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Alpha on April 07, 2011, 02:33:42 AM
It could be a cool feature. I don't imagine it would be difficult to add.

Telrunya,

Do you play LoL?
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: De-Legro on April 07, 2011, 02:38:25 AM
Quote from: LGMAlpha on April 07, 2011, 02:33:42 AM
It could be a cool feature. I don't imagine it would be difficult to add.

Telrunya,

Do you play LoL?

That sort of thinking is exactly how you end up with a game full of features, with steep learning curves and inconstancies. Features should be added because they bring a great benefit, not because they are cool.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: songqu88@gmail.com on April 07, 2011, 02:43:49 AM
To be fair on this point, the people actually concerned with running these things would be dukes. And I would certainly hope whoever is a duke would have at least a good couple months of experience with the various features of BM.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Alpha on April 07, 2011, 02:44:59 AM
Quote from: De-Legro on April 07, 2011, 02:38:25 AM
That sort of thinking is exactly how you end up with a game full of features, with steep learning curves and inconstancies. Features should be added because they bring a great benefit, not because they are cool.

I don't think it would add much complexity. It would just add another option for the existing referendums system. Also, Dukes will have often been in game for a significant period of time so learning curve shouldn't be much of an issue.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Perth on April 07, 2011, 03:43:29 AM
Perhaps this is only my personal experience, but are custom referendums (not the game generated ones for elections) even used all that much? I know I have perhaps only seen them used perhaps 2 or 3 times tops in the 3 years I've been playing. But again, maybe this is only my own experience. Based on this, I don't really see Ducal Referendums ever being used much.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: De-Legro on April 07, 2011, 03:57:13 AM
For somewhere like Madina I could see them being very useful.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Silverfire on April 07, 2011, 04:53:24 AM
I can guarantee you that my Duke Character would take advantage of this. It would be a very good addition to the game in my opinion. It is a great way to bring people closer together and gives an opportunity for great RP.

Most likely Dukes will be the only ones starting it, but also it isn't necessary true. It requires very little addition, but adds a lot to the game.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Hyral on April 07, 2011, 05:11:57 AM
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the mechanics behind the game text, but doesn't this feature already exist? Two days ago, one of my characters received a referendum notice like this:

The topic is "Topic" and as a noble of City, you are invited to vote on it.

There are 7 participants, the number of nobles in the Duchy minus the Duke himself. That'd be what we consider a duchy referendum, yes?
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: egamma on April 09, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
Quote from: Perth on April 07, 2011, 03:43:29 AM
Perhaps this is only my personal experience, but are custom referendums (not the game generated ones for elections) even used all that much? I know I have perhaps only seen them used perhaps 2 or 3 times tops in the 3 years I've been playing. But again, maybe this is only my own experience. Based on this, I don't really see Ducal Referendums ever being used much.

Right now in Giblot we have 6 referendums running--we're remaking/reaffirming the constitution and realm laws and election system.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Perth on April 09, 2011, 09:51:52 PM
Quote from: egamma on April 09, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
Right now in Giblot we have 6 referendums running--we're remaking/reaffirming the constitution and realm laws and election system.

Then I suppose it's just me, then! Bring on the referendums!
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Indirik on April 12, 2011, 01:13:42 AM
I've always advocated for being able to send a referendum to any group available to you on the Messages tab. This includes duchies, guilds, and religions.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Velax on April 12, 2011, 05:37:22 AM
I'm not sure what's actually being asked for. Is it literally just a referendum only available to those in a particular duchy? And if so, why was this post ignored?

Quote from: Hyral on April 07, 2011, 05:11:57 AM
Perhaps I am misunderstanding the mechanics behind the game text, but doesn't this feature already exist? Two days ago, one of my characters received a referendum notice like this:

The topic is "Topic" and as a noble of City, you are invited to vote on it.

There are 7 participants, the number of nobles in the Duchy minus the Duke himself. That'd be what we consider a duchy referendum, yes?
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Bedwyr on April 12, 2011, 05:41:33 AM
Mostly because I missed it with the other stuff.

Feature request granted! (grins)

Looks like you can do region/duchy/lords of duchy/realm/lords/dukes.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Velax on April 12, 2011, 05:53:15 AM
Well, I more meant why did no one comment on Hyral's post saying the feature already existed.

But yay!
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: egamma on April 12, 2011, 06:54:09 AM
Mod needs a sub forum for "completed" feature requests, to move several of these to.
Title: Re: Duchal Referendums
Post by: Nosferatus on April 12, 2011, 11:08:17 AM
huray, thanks, and a 'special thanks' from Madina! ;)