So as I log in this morning, I noticed that a Kabrinski and Himoura stabbed each other in a duel on BT while a Kabrinski and Himoura are engaged in a huge political slap fight on Dwilight. Letters were even leaked where the Dwilight characters are referencing the BT characters. That's a serious rivalry, and it got me thinking about other PvP pairs (or triplets!) that have endured through the years.
Nominations? Try to provide some brief background for people who may be newer or haven't played with them.
Stabbity stab stab. :)
You won't find that with me... I treat each character of mine as completely separate, and try not to get one involved with the other, even if both are on the same continent.
Davis Versus Dobromir or the Menthils VS the Nosferatus.
Not that all my characters are aware of it or care, but atleast the menthils hate everything thats called Nosferatus or looks like it.
Then perhaps the bigest rivalry is between any family paris set up and all other families... :P
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on November 19, 2012, 06:16:18 PM
You won't find that with me... I treat each character of mine as completely separate, and try not to get one involved with the other, even if both are on the same continent.
I tend to dislike it when people try to overcompensate by doing that. I mean, they're family, and family sticks together. Blood is thicker than water, especially blue blood.
QuoteBlood is thicker than water, especially blue blood.
Not int he middle ages it ain't. Henry II spent much of his reign fighting his children (and his wife) and this was not atypical.
Your family members were your natural rivals because the fewer of them you had, the more likely you were to inherit something of value.
At Crecy the Black Prince, at all of sixteen years old, held the center of the English line all day long. Edward III watched from a hill. When asked if he wanted to send help to his son and heir, he said "let the boy prove himself a true knight and win his spurs." And they liked each other.
Quote from: Scarlett on November 19, 2012, 06:56:59 PM
Not int he middle ages it ain't.
Yes, it is.
Sure, there are counterexamples. But that doesn't mean that every noble in the middle ages hated their family and wanted nothing more than to get rid of them.
The point is, it's perfectly legitimate to play your family as a relatively close-knit one, where an insult to one is considered an insult to all. It's
also perfectly legitimate to play them as more distant relations, who don't care much about what the other family members do.
While families may play games of politics and intrigue with one another, even assassinating other family members to rise in social standing, that's exactly it: A family affair.
When outsiders tended to mess with family, the House took notice.
QuoteYes, it is.
I'm sorry, but you are very much mistaken.
QuoteThe point is, it's perfectly legitimate to play your family as a relatively close-knit one, where an insult to one is considered an insult to all. It's also perfectly legitimate to play them as more distant relations, who don't care much about what the other family members do.
It may be legitimate but it is not historically accurate. No, of course not 'all' families were calculating and self-centered, but the great majority of them had to be. Tuchman talks about this in "A Distant Mirror." Kids spent very little time with their family until their were about 7 or 8. They were very rarely raised by their parents, who also knew next to nothing about raising children. There were books for women on things like managing your husband's estate, how to run things while under siege, and tenure law, but not on childrearing, childbirth, or anything that you might imagine could actually create bonds between a family. Peasants did that. Nobles had to fight and rule.
A 'close-knit' medieval nobles family pretty much required a set of circumstances that led to no possible conflict between them. But even if you had two fiefdoms of exactly the same size and value and both of your sons inherited one of them, you also had to have unusually non-ambitious sons, particularly in the eldest son, who may have heard of how some places give everything to the eldest son and why aren't we civilized like that? Most of the great conflicts from the Dark ages until the Renaissance were intra-family in some way, with the major exception of the Crusades having come about because Pope Urban II saw Europe being crushed under the weight of its own family squabbles and needed to both trump them with a bigger enemy while also offering an avenue to forgive the sins of anybody who had already gone about disposing of inconvenient relatives.
Of course it's possible that some family feud would trump internal family politics, but even then you'd be just as likely to see one side of the family double-dealing with the object of the feud. Relatives working against somebody who "messed with the house" could easily happen but absolutely not because "blood is thicker than water." That sentiment suggests personal bonds and affection; fighting someone who is trying to bring down your house is protecting your own interests with some natural allies. We would find your average medieval noble to be extremely cold. Finding exceptions to this is like finding a marriage that wasn't arranged. Did it happen? Sure, but hardly ever.
Whether that matters to you in BM is another question.
Aaaand back on track.
I'm going to throw out Capet v. D`Este, Capet v. Anaris, Capet v. Pretty Much Every Ruler in Luria at Some Point.
In reference to Solari characters :P
On Colonies island, Ash Ketchum and May Ketchum against Remi Solari due to different priests religions, followers conflict and whatnot.
But somehow on EC island, Brock Ketchum are Vice Marshal of the Army where Imminent Solari is a Marshal. And they both working together just fine :)
Scarlett, are you by any chance having a character named Scarlett Greenleaf? I have been looking for this character for ages ::)
Quote from: Ketchum on November 20, 2012, 01:22:38 AM
Scarlett, are you by any chance having a character named Scarlett Greenleaf? I have been looking for this character for ages ::)
I believe Scarlett is of the family Scarlett, not the player. You likely haven't encountered the family as he is on Atamara, Far East, and Dwilight, none of which I believe you are on.
Quote from: Penchant on November 20, 2012, 01:43:20 AM
I believe Scarlett is of the family Scarlett, not the player. You likely haven't encountered the family as he is on Atamara, Far East, and Dwilight, none of which I believe you are on.
Aw man... I on Atamara but not really long time enough to know it. Oh well :-[
Khain Dragonborn and his Utopia clan vs Ash Ketchum/May Ketchum, Spearhead, Montechristo Aroo and the oldies players of Oritolon realm on Colonies island
The grudge? Well, the backstabbing unruly Oritolon internal politics. Which caused Khain to rebel unsuccessfully. He did protest all government members out of office successfully. And his rogue gang members all ended up harassing Oritolon borders from those rogue regions.
I don't have any rivals... damn I wish I had one :o
Quote from: Ketchum on November 20, 2012, 01:22:38 AM
But somehow on EC island, Brock Ketchum are Vice Marshal of the Army where Imminent Solari is a Marshal. And they both working together just fine :)
I don't have a character on EC!
Leatho hates Richard, but Richard is indifferent to Leatho. Though if Richard knew everything, he'd probably think Leatho is crying over who had more milk spilled between the two of them, and think he's not worth the time.
War. People die. People make mistakes. Richard suffered at least the same amount, but it's how it affected them differently.
Quote from: Zaki on November 20, 2012, 08:10:18 AM
I don't have any rivals... damn I wish I had one :o
Urgh, I couldn't stand it anymore.
Quote from: Solari on November 20, 2012, 05:45:31 PM
I don't have a character on EC!
Hmm, then there is another Solari family indeed :o
Quote from: Foundation on November 20, 2012, 05:47:00 PM
The plot thickens!
Yes, the plot thicken. I am flabbergasted! 8)
I don't think my characters gain enemies... none that I know of, anyways.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on November 21, 2012, 12:39:51 AM
I don't think my characters gain enemies... none that I know of, anyways.
You're playing wrong.
How has Lefanis v. Chenier not been mentioned? That's possibly the most vitriolic feud in BM that I've seen.
For myself, Vellos v. Anaris is definitely a thing. Vellos v. Chenier is an odd thing– we tend to be distrusting but pragmatic neighbors of one another. Rivals certainly, but practical rivals usually with bigger fish to fry; usually fish named "Anaris."
Quote from: Norrel on November 21, 2012, 03:52:45 AM
You're playing wrong.
+ 1
Quote from: Vellos on November 21, 2012, 07:23:47 AM
How has Lefanis v. Chenier not been mentioned? That's possibly the most vitriolic feud in BM that I've seen.
Heh. Had fun with that ;D sadly never got that much time or energy for BM ever again. But certainly, the Lefanis' don't forget those who've wronged them. Had rivalries with the Of the White Guardians Family, Delvin Anaris, Arylon family, the V fetish guys family, and the Slayers. A bunch of names I've forgotten, unfortunately. And another large number of rivalries that are continuing currently. Rivalries have gotta be one of the most fun aspects in BM.
Quote from: Vellos on November 21, 2012, 07:23:47 AM
How has Lefanis v. Chenier not been mentioned? That's possibly the most vitriolic feud in BM that I've seen.
For myself, Vellos v. Anaris is definitely a thing. Vellos v. Chenier is an odd thing– we tend to be distrusting but pragmatic neighbors of one another. Rivals certainly, but practical rivals usually with bigger fish to fry; usually fish named "Anaris."
Seriously need to pause one of my characters and get going on BT again...
I find it annoying that you're saying I'm playing wrong. Perhaps I just manage to get all the blame for my actions shifted to someone else?
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on November 21, 2012, 08:29:58 AM
I find it annoying that you're saying I'm playing wrong. Perhaps I just manage to get all the blame for my actions shifted to someone else?
I was being tongue-in-cheek
Quote from: Ketchum on November 21, 2012, 12:24:58 AM
Hmm, then there is another Solari family indeed :o
That's not possible. There can only be one family with a given name.
There might be a Solaria family, though, or some other similar spelling.
Quote from: Vellos on November 21, 2012, 07:23:47 AM
For myself, Vellos v. Anaris is definitely a thing. Vellos v. Chenier is an odd thing– we tend to be distrusting but pragmatic neighbors of one another. Rivals certainly, but practical rivals usually with bigger fish to fry; usually fish named "Anaris."
Vellos v. Anaris may be a thing, but Anaris v. Vellos kinda isn't.
Delvin and Hireshmont even more-or-less reconciled their differences before the end, and Alanna never really trusted that absurd republican cousin of hers in the first place, so why should she dislike someone who's a powerful figure in Dwilight politics because of him? She'd be quite happy to meet Hireshmont II on amicable terms. Frankly, given their personalities, those two might be able to become friends.
(Or, in different circumstances, bitterer enemies than Delvin and Hireshmont ;D )
Quote from: Anaris on November 21, 2012, 01:24:20 PM
That's not possible. There can only be one family with a given name.
There might be a Solaria family, though, or some other similar spelling.
Ok, I get it. The other Solari is actually Solari
s family(Imminent Solaris). The
S behind is confusing me, argh! 8)
Quote from: Ketchum on November 21, 2012, 01:51:02 PM
Ok, I get it. The other Solari is actually Solaris family(Imminent Solaris). The S behind is confusing me, argh! 8)
Nah, it's just Solari's siblings, all playing on that one account.
Quote from: Anaris on November 21, 2012, 01:26:53 PM
She'd be quite happy to meet Hireshmont II on amicable terms. Frankly, given their personalities, those two might be able to become friends.
I kinda had Hireshmont II pegged as a potential rival, and then I realized that he's basically a more visible and vocal Malus, and now I love him IC and OOC.
QuotePerhaps I just manage to get all the blame for my actions shifted to someone else?
The only thing anybody in Cathay knows about you is that they think that you wanted to go temple-stomping in Zonasa during the war when we were trying to coordinate our military. I don't think anybody had heard of you before or since as you weren't part of Toupellon before Cathay was re-founded.
Quote from: Anaris on November 21, 2012, 01:26:53 PM
Vellos v. Anaris may be a thing, but Anaris v. Vellos kinda isn't.
Delvin and Hireshmont even more-or-less reconciled their differences before the end, and Alanna never really trusted that absurd republican cousin of hers in the first place, so why should she dislike someone who's a powerful figure in Dwilight politics because of him? She'd be quite happy to meet Hireshmont II on amicable terms. Frankly, given their personalities, those two might be able to become friends.
(Or, in different circumstances, bitterer enemies than Delvin and Hireshmont ;D )
Alanna-H2, not so much.
But don't forget FEI. And I'm not really sure Delvin and Hireshmont "reconciled." Hireshmont had a major role in the Meridian secession... just because he tossed himself on the pyre of humanity doesn't mean there was reconciliation.
Or consider Cyrilos v. Delvin (that was Delvin, right? Or was it a different Anaris?)
Quote from: Solari on November 21, 2012, 04:10:06 PM
I kinda had Hireshmont II pegged as a potential rival, and then I realized that he's basically a more visible and vocal Malus, and now I love him IC and OOC.
Thank ya kindly.
Quote from: Vellos on November 21, 2012, 06:32:33 PM
Alanna-H2, not so much.
But don't forget FEI. And I'm not really sure Delvin and Hireshmont "reconciled." Hireshmont had a major role in the Meridian secession... just because he tossed himself on the pyre of humanity doesn't mean there was reconciliation.
Or consider Cyrilos v. Delvin (that was Delvin, right? Or was it a different Anaris?)
No, by the time Cyrilos came to Riombara, Delvin was retired. I think it must be Liara that met him.
My reading of the point of this thread, though, is actual full-on family rivalries, where any member of one meeting a member of the other will hate on sight.
Ah, well, yeah, I guess Anarises and Vellos' don't necessarily do that.
Lefanis' and Cheniers do though. I still remember before D'Hara became Republican and Marche Telrunya, Julius, and I were plotting to have Paisly secede and form a new realm (Barca) to conquer westwards. It broke down in part because Marche and Machiavel successful reformed D'Hara into a republic, but also because Machiavel refused to be in the same realm as a Lefanis (one of the initial Barcans was a Lefanis).
Quote from: Vellos on November 21, 2012, 07:23:47 AM
How has Lefanis v. Chenier not been mentioned? That's possibly the most vitriolic feud in BM that I've seen.
For myself, Vellos v. Anaris is definitely a thing. Vellos v. Chenier is an odd thing– we tend to be distrusting but pragmatic neighbors of one another. Rivals certainly, but practical rivals usually with bigger fish to fry; usually fish named "Anaris."
Indeed... At first, Machiavel actively worked to isolate and marginalize Hireshmont II. Did the same with Marche too, when he came up. Until it was realized we were going in the same direction this time around. Outside parties kinda forced the context, though. ;)
Silverfire v Anaris used to be one from my point of view. However, Brom dropped it a while back after he decided that rivalries don't ever help him. (Background: Brom orchestrated about 5 rebellion/secession/assassination attempts on rulers of Pian en Luries primarily Alanna Anaris.)
The same can be asserted for Silverfire v Solari, however Brom dropped that a while back as well. (Background: Brom had a blood debt declared upon him by Malus Solari after Brom placed a bounty on Malus's head of 500 gold using family funds)
I doubt either of the above ever really considered the above to be true due to Brom's overall incompetence.
I believe I did make a family enemy though when Brom "caused" the suicide of the Queen of Luria. I'll let that player decide on that one though.
Silverfire v. Kabrinski might have just begun though. Brom's banning of Allison caused by his subsequent nullification of their marriage will probably start something. We'll see.
My chars will probably have made some enemies no doubt. I think most enemies were made by Aeneas on EC and now on FEI though...
However I have no real family feuds, never have had them not even on my former account. Of course my chars has numerous enemies (Ascanius wasn't very loved on FEI I reckon), but again never my family as a whole...
So Cratchet Kabrinski and Tiberius Himoura have been trying to kill eachother for 18 days now in Thalmarkin. There have been 4 actual duels and every turn in between those a "duel postponed" message because one of them was wounded. For some reason, neither of them ever die.
They have both won 1 duel, but only seriously wounding the other and 2 duels have ended a draw where both were seriously wounded... it's going to be interesting to see who'll win in the end. :)
Quote from: Lorgan on November 24, 2012, 02:12:07 PM
So Cratchet Kabrinski and Tiberius Himoura have been trying to kill eachother for 18 days now in Thalmarkin. There have been 4 actual duels and every turn in between those a "duel postponed" message because one of them was wounded. For some reason, neither of them ever die.
They have both won 1 duel, but only seriously wounding the other and 2 duels have ended a draw where both were seriously wounded... it's going to be interesting to see who'll win in the end. :)
This has been the best thing in the world to log in to for the last 2+ weeks. ;D
Quote from: Quintus Ennius on November 24, 2012, 12:06:33 PM
However I have no real family feuds, never have had them not even on my former account. Of course my chars has numerous enemies (Ascanius wasn't very loved on FEI I reckon), but again never my family as a whole...
Ascanius? I remember this name... Whats you family name? Were you in RoF, by any chance :D
Quote from: Solari on November 25, 2012, 04:02:16 AM
This has been the best thing in the world to log in to for the last 2+ weeks. ;D
The bastard refuses to die :p
This is one of many family feuds I've had. I play the Himoura family as I imagine any notorious and wealth family. There are factions within, and though they all don't necessarily get along, the are more than willing to bond over a mutual enemy. Except Senoske's line. They're outcasts.
You guys are still trying to kill each other? lol
Yep. I have yet to have a strategy advantage though *grumble*
Still going. We both keep getting wounded. My Swordsmanship was at 20% when this duel started. With training and dueling I am now up to 40%.
Quote from: dustole on December 04, 2012, 10:26:38 PM
Still going. We both keep getting wounded. My Swordsmanship was at 20% when this duel started. With training and dueling I am now up to 40%.
Ditto.
Can't tell if you guys are trying to kill each other or trying to train to become a swordmaster.
Quote from: Zaki on December 05, 2012, 12:15:22 AM
Can't tell if you guys are trying to kill each other or trying to train to become a swordmaster.
lol that is just great.
At this rate we'll both have 100% sword skill in no time.
Quote from: Stabbity on December 05, 2012, 04:59:24 AM
At this rate we'll both have 100% sword skill in no time.
The survivor should request a swordfighting tournament to be held in his honor.
Quote from: Chénier on December 05, 2012, 12:43:08 PM
The survivor should request a swordfighting tournament to be held in his honor.
I plan to.
*sigh*
There goes my money... :)
QuoteLetter from Enzo Solari (just sent)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (37 recipients)
Lords and ladies, knights and dames, bored warriors of Thalmarkin! We have for your amusement two valiant men inflamed with passion and armed to the teeth! We have all enjoyed hearing of, and gossiping about, their bitter feud in taverns and halls. Now, let us celebrate our depravity by wagering upon their mortality!
Since the men have proven to be of roughly equal skill with a blade, the odds shall be even. Those placing losing bets will see their wagers shared among the winners in proportion to the amount that each winner wagers. When all bets are placed—publicly, please!—the payouts will be tabulated and shared with the realm. Then, we shall congregate at the place of the duel, bringing wine, ale, benches and wenches!
Commence!
Enzo Solari
Duke of Sandefur
Margrave of Sandefur
YEEESSSSS.
Quote from: Solari on December 06, 2012, 09:59:53 PM
YEEESSSSS.
If my Dwilight character was there he would pick one based on nothing that actually affects the outcome of the duel and bet at least 500-1000 gold, which might not sound like much to some rich dukes but you must admit that that is a fair bit of coin to be gambling away for someone who, before a few days ago, was only a knight.
How many duels have there been now?
Duel Postponed (28 days, 21 hours ago)
The duel between Sir Tiberius Himoura, Knight of Kannoktet and Cratchet Kabrinski, Knight of Unger is being postponed because Tiberius is not fit to fight.
This is as far back as my messages go. So the "Duel Postponed" is because of the first duel we had I think...
Duel (26 days, 10 hours ago)
Cratchet Kabrinski, Knight of Unger meets his challenger Sir Tiberius Himoura, Knight of Kannoktet for the agreed duel till death.
Tiberius has decided to use the 'trick moves' strategy while Cratchet has chosen the 'aggressive' strategy, giving Cratchet the advantage.
The duel rages back and forth, then a series of blows leaves both participants seriously wounded, both unconscious or near it, and unable to finish the duel.
Duel (17 days, 21 hours ago)
Cratchet Kabrinski, Knight of Unger meets his challenger Sir Tiberius Himoura, Knight of Kannoktet for the agreed duel till death.
Tiberius has decided to use the 'neutral' strategy while Cratchet has chosen the 'overrun' strategy, giving Cratchet the advantage.
The duel runs its course, until Tiberius delivers a fatal blow. The healers carry Cratchet away, seriously wounded but still breathing.
Duel (12 days, 21 hours ago)
Cratchet Kabrinski, Knight of Unger meets his challenger Sir Tiberius Himoura, Knight of Kannoktet for the agreed duel till death.
Tiberius has decided to use the 'overrun' strategy while Cratchet has chosen the 'defensive' strategy, giving Cratchet the advantage.
The duel rages back and forth, then a series of blows leaves both participants seriously wounded, both unconscious or near it, and unable to finish the duel.
Duel (5 days, 21 hours ago)
Cratchet Kabrinski, Knight of Unger meets his challenger Sir Tiberius Himoura, Knight of Kannoktet for the agreed duel till death.
Tiberius has decided to use the 'neutral' strategy while Cratchet has chosen the 'trick moves' strategy, giving Tiberius the advantage.
The duel rages back and forth, then a series of blows leaves both participants seriously wounded, both unconscious or near it, and unable to finish the duel.
The next duel will be our 6th.
780 gold wagered on the next duel. This is going to be sweet. 8)
Quote from: Solari on December 07, 2012, 05:24:48 PM
780 gold wagered on the next duel. This is going to be sweet. 8)
Until it ends in another tie :p
Duel (4 hours, 32 minutes ago)
Cratchet Kabrinski, Knight of Unger meets his challenger Sir Tiberius Himoura, Knight of Kannoktet for the agreed duel till death.
Tiberius has decided to use the 'overrun' strategy while Cratchet has chosen the 'neutral' strategy, giving Tiberius the advantage.
The duel rages back and forth, then a series of blows leaves both participants seriously wounded, both unconscious or near it, and unable to finish the duel.
::)
For some reason, I can't help shake the notion that someone is giving you both blunt swords and you're simply bludgeoning yourselves into unconsciousness.
Quote from: Draco Tanos on December 10, 2012, 11:22:37 AM
For some reason, I can't help shake the notion that someone is giving you both blunt swords and you're simply bludgeoning yourselves into unconsciousness.
That would explain Tiberius bouncing back to wounded instantly.
I wonder how much you guys have aged since this all started...
I'm not bouncing back real fast this time. Critically wounded... again...
Quote from: Lorgan on December 10, 2012, 12:52:24 PM
I wonder how much you guys have aged since this all started...
Three years.
Quote from: Lefanis on November 25, 2012, 04:07:29 PM
Ascanius? I remember this name... Whats you family name? Were you in RoF, by any chance :D
RoF? And my old account got deleted years ago. My family is now called the Quintus Ennius family. It used to be the Archirium family (old account)
And that has got to be the longest dueling sequence I've ever seen lol...
Aaaand Cratchet is dead. PAY UP, BETTERS! ;D
I feel good that my old pal stabbity didn't let me down. I feel better that only about 3 or 4 people bet on himoura and I'm about to rake in the gold :D
It was pretty much over after the draw where I bounced right back and cratchet was critically wounded, and then it happened again so I was able to pull waaaaaay ahead thanks to the academy.
I did get my hero fame point. Yay! now I need a legendary hero death.
:p now I just need one more Kabrinski skull to complete the collection. Now if I could get a McGahee's...
Quote from: Stabbity on December 22, 2012, 05:59:49 PMNow if I could get a McGahee's...
Might prove to be difficult ;)
Quote from: Stabbity on December 22, 2012, 05:59:49 PM
:p now I just need one more Kabrinski skull to complete the collection. Now if I could get a McGahee's...
I'm still annoyed that Conan and Tony didn't stick around to get their heads collected. I'm pretty sure there was going to be at least one major war over who got to keep the skulls.
Quote from: Stabbity on December 22, 2012, 05:59:49 PM
:p now I just need one more Kabrinski skull to complete the collection. Now if I could get a McGahee's...
One more? There is no way you got to take Cratchets skull. Had you killed him on the battlefield I could see you RPing taking the skull, but in a duel no way.
Quote from: dustole on December 22, 2012, 09:04:30 PM
One more? There is no way you got to take Cratchets skull. Had you killed him on the battlefield I could see you RPing taking the skull, but in a duel no way.
Check the RP board and argue with the angry sword wielding man.
The game said that Cratchet was carted off and the doctors could not save him. His men would not have allowed you to come into the hospital and cut off his head.
I'm sorry, but no.
Read through some of these, they sound pretty cool. Looking forward / hoping to having something of the sort.
Quote from: Lefanis on November 21, 2012, 08:05:45 AM
the V fetish guys family
??? This guy? Its less a fetish and more of a love affair.
So...ya. Player vs player, I do not think I have ever had a feud...at least not recent enough to remember names.
But Character vs Character... hmmm raise your hand if you have characters that hate the Hendrix family!?
No one from Portion, Alebad, Alowca, Wetham, Giblot, MT, old Outer Tilog? Hmm how about if you were thwarted by the ~V~ in FEI? No? Killed by Valak? :-/ thats the problem with getting older...all your friends die.
I know this is from a LOOOOONNNNNNGGG time ago(November)
But just a point of clarification for Ketchum
In reference to Solari characters :P
On Colonies island, Ash Ketchum and May Ketchum against Remi Solari due to different priests religions, followers conflict and whatnot.
But somehow on EC island, Brock Ketchum are Vice Marshal of the Army where Imminent Solari is a Marshal. And they both working together just fine :)
Scarlett, are you by any chance having a character named Scarlett Greenleaf? I have been looking for this character for ages ::)
That wasn't the Solari family it was the Solaris family in Nivemus. I thought the same thing when I met Malus Solari in Dwilight, but it turns out no relation
Driscols vs Anarises. :-D
The rivalry started independently with two of my characters in different continents, and it was not a family thing at first.