Nivemus versus Perdan!
In this corner, we have the defender, the upstart, the young buck, the tribal realm Nivemus!
And in this corner, we have the strong, the defending middle weight champion, the veteran Perdan!
Come one, come all, place your bets on this conflict!
That being said, the games are about to begin! Perdan has 20K in Gadlock or Salta and Nivemus is moving to defend. We'll see how this goes. :D
My bet is on Perdan >:D
My bet is on Caligus. :P
My bet is on Westmoor taking Nivenus land! ::)
Quote from: Sonya on February 17, 2013, 07:43:12 PM
My bet is on Westmoor taking Nivenus land! ::)
My bet is on you growing up. Here's a hint: Neither Perdan nor Caligus want Westmoor to expand either. They've expressed this in the past numerous times.
And, seriously? For the second time in as many recent wars - can the OOC anti-Westmoor !@#$ and take it IC.
Quote from: Ravier on February 17, 2013, 10:17:33 PM
My bet is on you growing up. Here's a hint: Neither Perdan nor Caligus want Westmoor to expand either. They've expressed this in the past numerous times.
And, seriously? For the second time in as many recent wars - can the OOC anti-Westmoor !@#$ and take it IC.
Although, yes, she has expressed those feelings in the past, I kinda consider this an overreaction... Let's calm down a bit.
Quote from: Uzamaki on February 17, 2013, 11:28:40 PM
Although, yes, she has expressed those feelings in the past, I kinda consider this an overreaction... Let's calm down a bit.
When it is Sonya's constant reaction to anything, annoyance is expected.
Isn't Westmoor angling to get Oberndorf for herself?
While we wouldn't mind it, Atanamir's terms aren't ours.
Quote from: Draco Tanos on February 18, 2013, 12:39:56 AM
When it is Sonya's constant reaction to anything, annoyance is expected.
Annoyance and a complete blow up are two different things.
Besides, if it annoys you so much, stop responding and then maybe she will stop.
Quote from: feyeleanor on February 18, 2013, 01:43:59 AM
Isn't Westmoor angling to get Oberndorf for herself?
Yes. But as Tanos said, indirectly. ;)
Quote from: Ravier on February 17, 2013, 10:17:33 PM
My bet is on you growing up. Here's a hint: Neither Perdan nor Caligus want Westmoor to expand either. They've expressed this in the past numerous times.
And, seriously? For the second time in as many recent wars - can the OOC anti-Westmoor !@#$ and take it IC.
Wowowow why the hate?
My mention of Westmoor was of "Only choice available" to tell:
Quote from: Zaki on February 17, 2013, 07:14:47 PM
My bet is on Perdan >:D
Quote from: Uzamaki on February 17, 2013, 07:22:02 PM
My bet is on Caligus. :P
Got it?
Maybe you please chill out, i have nothing against Westmor IC or OCC; I know BM very well to see the choices of recent conflict, maybe you call me immature, but when thing happens you will remember my words.
Am i the only one who think here? How come the "Only way of Perdan to Win" becomes an Anti-Realm politic?
Quote from: Uzamaki on February 18, 2013, 04:13:40 AM
Annoyance and a complete blow up are two different things.
Besides, if it annoys you so much, stop responding and then maybe she will stop.
Highly unlikely. As she did it before people ever responded as well. :p
Quote from: Draco Tanos on February 18, 2013, 04:44:50 AM
Highly unlikely. As she did it before people ever responded as well. :p
Either way, you can't control what she does, but you can control how you react.
Quite the auspicious start to this thread...
Quote from: Ravier on February 17, 2013, 10:17:33 PM
My bet is on you growing up. Here's a hint: Neither Perdan nor Caligus want Westmoor to expand either. They've expressed this in the past numerous times.
And, seriously? For the second time in as many recent wars - can the OOC anti-Westmoor !@#$ and take it IC.
This is nothing but a overreaction. Obviously you want their to be some anti-Westmoor OOC as well as IC. Trust me I think everyone has anti-Westmoor feelings once in awhile IC....
I oddly enough enjoy Sonya's comments.
So one of Perdan's units got mauled by Nivemus. Good start to the war for the upstart, I guess?
Perdan's movement is as good as ever.
They've only lost one. Most of realms these days would have lost more than just one unit.
How much of Nivemus' CS moved to Salta? 1400 men sounds quite a lot.
Quote from: Zaki on February 18, 2013, 06:54:54 AM
Perdan's movement is as good as ever.
They've only lost one. Most of realms these days would have lost more than just one unit.
How much of Nivemus' CS moved to Salta? 1400 men sounds quite a lot.
19K. More importantly, my unit laid 4K hits. :)
Ah, the second battle going be bigger fight than the first battle. Come to dwell in Hall of Valhalla, will all your soldiers and mine 8)
What's the problem with not liking a realm IC and OOC? While both can be completely separated, they can also go together smoothly. There are a dozen reasons to dislike a realm in an OOC sphere. The players of Westmoor may not like, but life is a bitch that never pleases everyone. We just need to remember to not confuse IC and OOC.
Now I want to see my first battle report with my best unit in years ;)
Good morning people, let go back on topic and the discussion.
Has any terms for the war discussed already (besides the terms) Like passage thought a realm?
Is Perdan vs Nivemus, but there are realms between them, so i wonder if this will be a war of sea travel. If Perdan is coming to Salta, did they made it by sea?
I throw my money for sea battles!
It seems that Westmoor and OI are more than pleased of having Perdan marching through their lands, so no Sea-travel will be neccesary. Might be used none-the-less, just for fun and surprise!
This long time of peace seem to have caused the average CS per unit to rise to almost 1k :)
EC doesn't have the new sea travel yet.
This is not just about Perdan and Nivemus. Sirion should help Nivemus. Westmoor should help Perdan. The big uncertainty is about Caligus.
OI, as always, will be waiting and will help the side that is winning. Especially if someone offer them lands. In any way they can change alliance following the wave... this is their function. This is something they did before and certainly something we'll see again. My wish is led the Silver Legion and burn the entire realm, but now this have to wait. I just hate this kind of opportunistic realm.
Yay! War!
I hope this is one with constant battles and changes in territories, but not a let's-destroy-this-realm gang banging boring thing. Let's hope this turns out to be a long and interesting war instead.
Also, calm down, everyone; we don't attack players here, only characters.
I can already tell Neji and Atanamir is gonna be a major rivalry throughout this war. ;D
Quote from: Sonya on February 18, 2013, 01:56:05 PM
Good morning people, let go back on topic and the discussion.
Has any terms for the war discussed already (besides the terms) Like passage thought a realm?
Is Perdan vs Nivemus, but there are realms between them, so i wonder if this will be a war of sea travel. If Perdan is coming to Salta, did they made it by sea?
I throw my money for sea battles!
Sonya, to answer your question. Perdan come to Salta(Nivemus region) via Obsidian Island region. OI recently lowered relations with Nivemus to Peace, if not everyone allied with each other cannot declare war. This is how Perdan able to declare war with Nivemus now.
Westmoor lands are the bordering region with Nivemus, from which Perdan smart enough to use and then followup travel to OI lands and to Nivemus lands.
The rest cannot be share here I am afraid ;)
Welp, looks like it's Perdan vs Nivemus/Sirion now.
Erik also have old feuds with Atanamir... but we will see. Maybe Westmoor can be avoided and then we can strat a new war in the future against OI. I want to move there since the last war before the great one. Erik hates opportunistc realms always changing sides and Emperors without empires.
Oh, Atanamir! His mother is watching him from heaven and is damn proud of him. ;)
Erik is watching him too... not so proud and just with one region of distance ;D
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on February 18, 2013, 04:51:40 PM
Erik also have old feuds with Atanamir... but we will see. Maybe Westmoor can be avoided and then we can strat a new war in the future against OI. I want to move there since the last war before the great one. Erik hates opportunistc realms always changing sides and Emperors without empires.
Yes, but Erik wants to destroy every realm, haha.
Quote from: Indirik on February 18, 2013, 02:43:03 PM
EC doesn't have the new sea travel yet.
Ohh i see.......ok...i will be there in the corner.....
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Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on February 18, 2013, 02:52:22 PM
This is not just about Perdan and Nivemus. Sirion should help Nivemus. Westmoor should help Perdan. The big uncertainty is about Caligus.
But then it will be an stalemate war, Sirion and Westmoor will defend their ally's territory, unless one of these decide to declare war and move forward.
Quote from: Uzamaki on February 18, 2013, 04:09:22 PM
I can already tell Neji and Atanamir is gonna be a major rivalry throughout this war. ;D
I just got the popcorn, this seems like one of these rivalries where you can become good friends later. Can we solve all this war by letting both of them duel to death?
*ducks to avoid rotten tomatoes*
Quote from: Sonya on February 18, 2013, 05:45:34 PM
But then it will be an stalemate war, Sirion and Westmoor will defend their ally's territory, unless one of these decide to declare war and move forward.
I just got the popcorn, this seems like one of these rivalries where you can become good friends later. Can we solve all this war by letting both of them duel to death?
*ducks to avoid rotten tomatoes*
I doubt the war will stalemate. Strategically speaking, there isn't much of a chokehold for it to stalemate.
And quiet, you! Neji never wields a sword! ;D
Not every realm... just Westmoor and OI. And about OI, he can do it by himself with his army alone.
First battle in the next minutes!
EDIT: The first one!!!!
Avaldamon de Vere, Count of Beziers has been wounded by Akodo Champions (8)
Moving foward to keep my records :)
QuotePerdan vs. Nivemus, Sirion
Estimated strengths: 760 men vs. 2340 men
Pathetic...
Sadly. I really didn't expect anything big for a first battle. But it was good to see the report and Atanamir running away to Gadlock, leaving the stragglers to be annihilated.
Yeah. Nivemus and Sirion lost virtually nothing and Perdan has lost over 8K CS in the past day.
Sadly, when you are leading special forces, the virtually nothing is a kick in the ass :(
Can't wait for Neesta to gain prestige and try herself at diplomacy.
Obviously Perdan got the latest scout report and the King Atanamir turns and flee first. It is sad we cannot destroy their full strength utterly, Brock is not happy about this for sure :D
Hmm, Westmoor Mobile 11K CS in Oligarch city deter us from doing any rash actions ::)
Please, follow Pokemon and throw yourselves against the walls.
Quote from: Draco Tanos on February 19, 2013, 01:09:33 AM
Please, follow Pokemon and throw yourselves against the walls.
Haha, I almost fall off my chair ;D
Brock is not too bad Pokemon trainer, but cannot be compare with Ash Ketchum. Unfortunately Ash is on Colonies island, so we have Brock on East Island.
Speaking of Pokemon.
Sirion = Charizard
Caligus = Dragonite
Perdan = Bulbasaur
Westmoor = Squirtle
Nivemus = Charmander
Quote from: Draco Tanos on February 19, 2013, 01:09:33 AM
Please, follow Pokemon and throw yourselves against the walls.
Avamar Please!!!!
Smash the soldiers in Avamarian walls and you will have to hear Erik's ego forever ;)
Erik taking pride for my army... well well, you are welcome!
QuoteLetter from Erik Eyolf Serpentis
It's good to see so many old faces once again. And I'm eager to know the young Ladies of Nivemus.
Erik Eyolf Serpentis
And then people wonders why i hate Sirion that much! ???
Are you saying tha Sirion is Erik or vice versa?
Thank you, Sonya. :P
It's just a character quite arrogant. I have no patience to play with "good guys" and, honestly, I doubt that there were many of them in middle ages. Moreover, the rest of the world always need someone to hate. We have many good things in Sirion, but I'm not recruiting, so I don't have to justify what is good or bad in Sirion. Anyway, Erik is just one.
Perdan did preserve some army mobile strength by not throwing all in Salta. What coming next will be all of us here working behind the scene ::)
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on February 19, 2013, 03:52:35 PM
Are you saying tha Sirion is Erik or vice versa?
Thank you, Sonya. :P
It's just a character quite arrogant. I have no patience to play with "good guys" and, honestly, I doubt that there were many of them in middle ages. Moreover, the rest of the world always need someone to hate. We have many good things in Sirion, but I'm not recruiting, so I don't have to justify what is good or bad in Sirion. Anyway, Erik is just one.
Sure you are!
Erik is the #2 cause of my hatred to Sirion.
IC Plot Ahead:The first time Sandra got on Sirion's prison, Judge Erik was very nice. the kind of man you say "he is not that bad to be an enemy"
But then after watching Erik's arrogance and flirts to every woman (from any side of the war) he turned into "that man is a bastard, and must die"
That and the concurrent times i got jailed later...i never got a reply from him.
So now Sandra fells sick or working together with Erik
End IC PlotSo is something like that ::) and that is how twisted BM politics are.....
ps: watch your back!
A woman with a broken heart is a pretty thing. Very dangerous ;)
Erik used to be a Cavalier, however the development of the Great War and the constant request of his people by take more aggressive stances against Flow changed his behavior. He used to be more romantic, gentle and chivalrous. With time, hunger for recognition and the constant struggle against his own Counil to win a permanent seat there have made him someone extremely arrogant and self-sufficient with his propaganda. But there is a difference between nature and demeanor. Between who you really are and who you want to show to the world.
Even a womanizer, he had good relationships within Sirion that gave him two daughters (these relationships were with other players, females far as I know, that like you are more prepared to play with female characters than us, men and poor imitators). Also, I have my own opinions about why Avamar grown so much. Erik is the kind of person that can be very much loved or just hated, but it's hard to ignore him (he will "scream" until you hear). I have more than 100 RPs with him and it's easy to find some jewels about his good heart :)
Now, in times of war, he's much more "Let's kill them all".
So, LET'S KILL THEM ALL!!!
Good thing my youngest Driscol is no longer a lady of Nivemus.
Perdan remaining mobile army that is preserved, is now attacking Oberndorf. Good strategy to literally burn and damage everything along the way as they go back. In a way, this make me remember Saul from Perdan. He had some interaction with my other character on Colonies in the past. He was good, so my character Brock has to surpass him 8)
Oberndorf was just another massacre of lazy nobles. As it seems, they will just go back and refit without cause any damage, just suffering the first defeats and showing disorganization.
Don't think they are disorganized. Making you think that is part of their strategy. These are not battles to win, but to annoy the heck out of the Sirionites.
I hope that this "great and innovative strategy" is shared by every Perdanese and not only those who are being slaughtered. A really weird way of war: fight without a victory. The most obvious is that some Knights, as always, obey an order and forget to obey another when time is scarce between contradictory orders.
I thought forces in Gadlock and Bruck may move to assist... But I guess not.
So for those keeping score...
At the end of the first round of hostilities, Perdan has done some minor damage to both Salta and Oberndorf and lost about 12K CS. Nivemus and Sirion have lost about 4K CS, maybe a little less.
I expect Perdan is going to come with a much bigger force next time, and we will probably then actually have some battle worth talking about.
I bet I could predict most of Perdan's moves without even being on the island. Sirion should be happy the enemy command is made up of one trick ponies xD
Quote from: Uzamaki on February 21, 2013, 12:47:09 AM
I expect Perdan is going to come with a much bigger force next time, and we will probably then actually have some battle worth talking about.
An alliance was forged
The realms of Armonía and Perdan have joined into an alliance.Just wait for us, the North shall tremble!
I wonder what kind of army we will send back defeated to the far west. A long journey just to be decimated... and for Westmoor (argh!!!). A lot of courage... or a lot of cowardice in not choosing closer enemies, as well as OI, completely helpless at the slightest threat: "Yes, you can pass, but please... don't burn my defenseless realm!"
Apparently the only merit of Perdan is its neighbors: too weak and fearful. After all, I don't believe this crap of an alliance of "human realms" to fight for a handful of miserables shepherds is really close to something worthy. The next war will surely be for something even more stupid, since we have seen an obvious decline in inventive reasons that lead some governments to war.
Haradrim (a handful of commoners... purley NPCs) and kidnapped kings are certainly among the "best ones".
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on February 21, 2013, 03:28:53 PM
After all, I don't believe this crap of an alliance of "human realms" to fight for a handful of miserables shepherds is really close to something worthy. The next war will surely be for something even more stupid, since we have seen an obvious decline in inventive reasons that lead some governments to war.
Haradrim (a handful of commoners... purley NPCs) and kidnapped kings are certainly among the "best ones".
It's a power grab, and like all power grabs it's based on a flimsy pretext. It's pure RP, sure, but the pretext itself is just flavour anyway. This one tastes right to me.
Flavour, but it's pure RP... I like when even the RPs have a little more of game mechanics. It's a question of personal preference. I prefer to fight for nobles, lands, honor, glory and not becuase of commoners. But I really don't care to fight anyway :)
Quote from: Sonya on February 21, 2013, 03:06:05 PM
An alliance was forged
The realms of Armonía and Perdan have joined into an alliance.
Just wait for us, the North shall tremble!
Sonya is coming? Run, the cavalry is coming...
On serious note, I have always wanted to feel the cavalry lance. Is the lance heavy?
QuoteThe knightly lance weighed between 3-4 kilogrammes, turned or carved from solid wood, with a steel tip called a cronel. Lances from the 15th century onwards were normally made with a distinct taper in the shaft, so most of the weight was centred in the user's hand and supported by the lance rest, a hook-like protusion on the knight's breastplate designed to support the weight. A rare intact surviving example of the jousting lance (a renaissance era lance from italy) is to be found in the Wallace Collection of London, under the catalogue number #A1022. despite a length of 3.48 metres, it weighs only 3.1 kilogrammes.
- wiki.answers.com
You want a reason? A real RP reason?
Oroya. The White Tree. Being the heir to the kingdom of Old Rancagua and having that taken away from you.
Sounds better than some fictional commoners asking for help.
Quote from: Gloria on February 21, 2013, 05:31:34 PM
You want a reason? A real RP reason?
Oroya. The White Tree. Being the heir to the kingdom of Old Rancagua and having that taken away from you.
Except he wasn't? ???
If I were Atanamir I'd just come clean... I'd be like "ruler of nivemus i want your land.. give it to me or die." I've told a lot of people that same thing but its the truth...
Quote from: Uzamaki on February 21, 2013, 07:26:49 PM
Except he wasn't? ???
AFAIK, he totally was Prince of Old Rancagua when he was born...
Quote from: Gloria on February 22, 2013, 05:46:07 AM
AFAIK, he totally was Prince of Old Rancagua when he was born...
Gloria, let it be, some people don't know the history, nor do they care.
Heck, a guy spammed in the ruler channel and was talking about Atanamir being King of Old Rancagua. Couldn't be more odd.
The RP of Old Rancagua has been raped, and people pick the best out of it when they need it - and well, when you pick things from others' RP (Haradrim, being heir, etc) don't be surprised when it backfires. They maybe had other plans than you have. Cause some people have this RP for longer than you play BM.
And that's why then people don't understand the RPs, why things happen, and why more things will happen in the future.
First lesson in BM should be to learn history, this way you
might be able to predict the future.
Quote from: Atanamir on February 22, 2013, 08:50:38 AM
Gloria, let it be, some people don't know the history, nor do they care.
Heck, a guy spammed in the ruler channel and was talking about Atanamir being King of Old Rancagua. Couldn't be more odd.
The RP of Old Rancagua has been raped, and people pick the best out of it when they need it - and well, when you pick things from others' RP (Haradrim) don't be surprised when it backfires. They maybe had other plans than you have. Cause some people have this RP for longer than you play BM.
And that's why then people don't understand the RPs, why things happen, and why more things will happen in the future.
First lesson in BM should be to learn history, this way you can might be able to predict the future.
Atanamir was never a part of Old Rancagua though. By the time his career started, the realm was dead. So what was he the prince of?
As I said before, I don't consider it a backfire. I loved that you picked this reason, because it has solidified the Tribes as a part of Nivemus, whereas before, they were hardly talked about. And also, I continue to point out, if you put it in the region description, you should expect people to build on it. Hell, there is even an ability to look at neighboring regions to help write your own region's description. And yet you continue to waffle between disdain and flattery of me, and later others, picking up and building upon your roleplay.
Besides, Fuinur wasn't even the last King of Old Rancagua, so for all intents and purposes, his lineage was dead and Atanamir's claim reduced, if not even made void, and further reduced when he moved to Perdan whereas the large majority of former Old Rancaguans remained in Sirion.
Quote from: Uzamaki on February 22, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
Atanamir was never a part of Old Rancagua though. By the time his career started, the realm was dead. So what was he the prince of?
As I said before, I don't consider it a backfire. I loved that you picked this reason, because it has solidified the Tribes as a part of Nivemus, whereas before, they were hardly talked about. And also, I continue to point out, if you put it in the region description, you should expect people to build on it. Hell, there is even an ability to look at neighboring regions to help write your own region's description. And yet you continue to waffle between disdain and flattery of me, and later others, picking up and building upon your roleplay.
Besides, Fuinur wasn't even the last King of Old Rancagua, so for all intents and purposes, his lineage was dead and Atanamir's claim reduced, if not even made void, and further reduced when he moved to Perdan whereas the large majority of former Old Rancaguans remained in Sirion.
Ok I will explain it only once again.
a) You don't need a realm to be a Prince. Read history how many exiled rulers etc existed and still exist.
He was part of OR, but as NPC, Fuinur and Ragnell made him in Poitiers.
If you were there, you'd know that.
b) The region description you described is deleted. I quote:
Quote
"Pedrera is a land filled with rocks and dirt, but in the middle of those rough lands there are also good parts where humans do live. Several live inside small villages created within the rocks themselves, giving the people of the rocks as they are also called shelter from rain and sandstorms which sometimes occur as well. But there are also a few green places left, very close together, this is where Pedrera's main village lies with several hundred of peasants living there. It is here where Pedrera's Grand Lordly Estate is built, within a huge cave complex unassuming from the outside but beautiful from within.
last updated on 2011-08-25 by Fenris"
For someone like you or your realm that holds so much of its roleplay you have not cared to restore or at least change the descriptions of your regions. The description you say was deleted long before, and when I wrote it, I had not meant that the Haradrim are a tribe but the vassals of the family of Umbar who follow them everywhere they go. Since he was in Pedrera, they settled with him there (as long as he would be there) You can find them on all cotinents in RCs , region descriptions etc. Now fine, according to your wiki, you made them a tribe of Nivemus. I quote:
Quote"The Haradrim
The Haradrim is the oldest(approximately 7 centuries old) and third largest tribe of the North. Dark-skinned, harsh, and war-like, the tribe is entrenched in tradition and resides in the regions of Pedrera and Caqueta. In fact, the Haradrim tribe has lived and died in the badlands for so long that even the meaning of 'Haradrim' has long been forgotten. The influence of the Haradrim tribe's traditions stretches far across the borders of Pedrera and Caqueta, as numerous wars with the Desertulo have left the Haradrim mark in Csopa and Northern Obando. (...)"
All nice - but entirely wrong. First you date them wrong, second the meaning is "Warriors of the South".
Now why should a tribe in the North call themselves warriors of the south?
Then you write something about wars, I don't understand it.
That is what I call raping of RP or simply don't knowing why things are there.
However, I played with you, and continued my RP with Haradrim now being settled there waiting for their noble leader (or his heir) to return. Cause why should they stay there otherwise? So nobody returned, instead a new realm has been formed, their leader has been not even asked to participate, although he has royal claims and the promise of Sirion was to involve all Old Rancaguans in it.
Which c) leads to your third line of argumentation. In Nivemus you have Talius, you have Monte Cristo, two former Kings. Dekion, the ruler of the decline, is not there anymore and Fuinur is dead. Now without Fuinur, OR's claim would be sole Oroya, that's when Fuinur starting expanding Old Rancagua as it was down to one City. Talius was there but stepped down, Monte Cristo had fled the continent when OR was dead and only came back when OR was an Empire to say that he has a claim to the throne (lol). So Fuinur, and his heirs can always claim that their are the line that made OR so big - and that was pre Charger-rebellion and pre-Dekion corrupcy.
Atanamir however does not do that, he has found his way of life in the south, after being treated so badly from Sirion and been left out in the follow-up state of OR, what eventually became Nivemus. He is surely insulted in his honour, for he and his family have done so much for a realm (OR) and have got nothing in return, but he also acknowledges that he has to look into future. But still, he sees that his loyal vassals have suddenly are being recruited and used as sword fodder for a possible war against him. This comes to a peak when the delegation of the old captain of Fuinur arrives in Perdan. See, that Haradrim are not peasants, they are the personal warrior caste of the Umbar family, which Nivemus tries to use against their leader. What happened afterwards, you know all...Enjoy now the war.
Quote from: Atanamir on February 22, 2013, 08:50:38 AM
Gloria, let it be, some people don't know the history, nor do they care.
Heck, a guy spammed in the ruler channel and was talking about Atanamir being King of Old Rancagua. Couldn't be more odd.
The RP of Old Rancagua has been raped, and people pick the best out of it when they need it - and well, when you pick things from others' RP (Haradrim, being heir, etc) don't be surprised when it backfires. They maybe had other plans than you have. Cause some people have this RP for longer than you play BM.
And that's why then people don't understand the RPs, why things happen, and why more things will happen in the future.
First lesson in BM should be to learn history, this way you might be able to predict the future.
Don't worry, I know enough BM history even when my characters don't. I do enjoy the narrative of it all when the RP pieces (from past and present, from different people in different realms) are put together, so I am not worried about anything backfiring.
Honestly I don't plan any RP planned ahead for my character other than gaining enough prestige to become a diplomat and be named Ambassador.
But in the process I expect to see some religious arguments about destiny, humanity (as opposed to elf-ness) and the purpose of war, leading to increased tension between the Church of Humanity and the Order of the White Tree.
Quote from: Gloria on February 22, 2013, 10:22:23 AM
Don't worry, I know enough BM history even when my characters don't. I do enjoy the narrative of it all when the RP pieces (from past and present, from different people in different realms) are put together, so I am not worried about anything backfiring.
Honestly I don't plan any RP planned ahead for my character other than gaining enough prestige to become a diplomat and be named Ambassador.
But in the process I expect to see some religious arguments about destiny, humanity (as opposed to elf-ness) and the purpose of war, leading to increased tension between the Church of Humanity and the Order of the White Tree.
I actually was not speaking about you in the part of "people don't know BM history" ;)
Quote from: Atanamir on February 22, 2013, 10:34:59 AM
I actually was not speaking about you in the part of "people don't know BM history" ;)
The fun in Battlemaster comes from creating new history, not knowing every detail of the old one. Sure, you can't ignore it entirely either; but it's perfectly alright to pick up the pieces you see in the region description and other places your character know and take it from there.
We play medieval nobles, and medieval nobles didn't have a perfect grasp of history either. Not everything was written down, or it was only kept in the vaults of some dusty monastery that no one looked at. Everything that was more than one generation away was at best half-tale and half-truth.
What appears in the wiki is made-up, just like your original vision is made-up. Everybody has the right to makes things up, and pick up pieces here and there from things that existed before, and intertwine it with the rest of history. Some of it may be contradictory, and it doesn't matter. If it makes things fun, it sticks.
There is no great book we can refer too to check who is right and who is wrong and it's perfect that way.
Quote from: vonGenf on February 22, 2013, 10:49:02 AM
The fun in Battlemaster comes from creating new history, not knowing every detail of the old one. Sure, you can't ignore it entirely either; but it's perfectly alright to pick up the pieces you see in the region description and other places your character know and take it from there.
We play medieval nobles, and medieval nobles didn't have a perfect grasp of history either. Not everything was written down, or it was only kept in the vaults of some dusty monastery that no one looked at. Everything that was more than one generation away was at best half-tale and half-truth.
What appears in the wiki is made-up, just like your original vision is made-up. Everybody has the right to makes things up, and pick up pieces here and there from things that existed before, and intertwine it with the rest of history. Some of it may be contradictory, and it doesn't matter. If it makes things fun, it sticks.
There is no great book we can refer too to check who is right and who is wrong and it's perfect that way.
I agree, but I also agree with the saying of Sir Francis Bacon: ,,(For) knowledge (itself) is power" ;)
Quote from: Atanamir on February 22, 2013, 11:08:03 AM
I agree, but I also agree with the saying of Sir Francis Bacon: ,,(For) knowledge (itself) is power" ;)
True.
Then again, don't forget that ignorance is strength. 8)
Quote from: Atanamir on February 22, 2013, 10:10:48 AM
Ok I will explain it only once again.
a) You don't need a realm to be a Prince. Read history how many exiled rulers etc existed and still exist.
He was part of OR, but as NPC, Fuinur and Ragnell made him in Poitiers.
If you were there, you'd know that.
And I will explain it once more since you do not seem to understand.
No, but you do need a legitimate claim and a legitimate base of support, of which Atanamir had neither.
Quote from: Atanamir on February 22, 2013, 10:10:48 AM
b) The region description you described is deleted.
Yes, it has been deleted. However, that is not the region description I based my RP off of. I, for the thousandth time, based it off of yours, and then was exiled, as many former OR members were, and then returned. That description is the description of a Sultanate Lord and Neji doesn't care or consider valid what they viewed of the regio.
Quote from: Atanamir on February 22, 2013, 10:10:48 AM
For someone like you or your realm that holds so much of its roleplay you have not cared to restore or at least change the descriptions of your regions. The description you say was deleted long before, and when I wrote it, I had not meant that the Haradrim are a tribe but the vassals of the family of Umbar who follow them everywhere they go. Since he was in Pedrera, they settled with him there (as long as he would be there) You can find them on all cotinents in RCs , region descriptions etc. Now fine, according to your wiki, you made them a tribe of Nivemus. I quote:
All nice - but entirely wrong. First you date them wrong, second the meaning is "Warriors of the South".
Now why should a tribe in the North call themselves warriors of the south?
Then you write something about wars, I don't understand it.
That is what I call raping of RP or simply don't knowing why things are there.
However, I played with you, and continued my RP with Haradrim now being settled there waiting for their noble leader (or his heir) to return. Cause why should they stay there otherwise? So nobody returned, instead a new realm has been formed, their leader has been not even asked to participate, although he has royal claims and the promise of Sirion was to involve all Old Rancaguans in it.
I'll just block all of this together.
Saying 'you have not cared to restore your region descriptions etc, etc...' I don't control the region. Ketchum does. He is free to do what he wants with the region description. Hell, he can even say the Haradrim are just a local folk tale if he wants. I will tell him his is wrong, but I am not going to force him into RPing out the vision for Nivemus many players have roleplayed into(and, admittedly, Ketchum has RPed into it a bit himself, I believe).
All wrong, that is, according to
you. I built on your RP, but I did not follow the guidelines you had strictly. And quite frankly, these 'guidelines' are only coming up now. We have Roleplayed Nivemus as a country of united tribes for over a year and a half... And now you are upset and saying we are wrong. I roleplayed in Old Rancagua to various small degrees about the Haradrim... But now you are upset. Don't get your knickers in a twist months and months after the fact and expect everyone just to do as you say, or even say 'oh, great and powerful Atanamir, you are right! Forgive our fallacies!'... Because it's not gonna happen.
Okay, you can argue I date them wrong and I can argue they formed hundreds of years ago. You can also argue you known the meaning and I can argue you probably don't. And, also, I know for a fact the name Haradrim came from Tolkien, so, I am not sure your statement is correct anyways.
It's not raping of RP. It's called performing RP. You just happened to not be there and now,
years after the fact, are taking issue.
Quote from: Atanamir on February 22, 2013, 10:10:48 AM
Which c) leads to your third line of argumentation. In Nivemus you have Talius, you have Monte Cristo, two former Kings. Dekion, the ruler of the decline, is not there anymore and Fuinur is dead. Now without Fuinur, OR's claim would be sole Oroya, that's when Fuinur starting expanding Old Rancagua as it was down to one City. Talius was there but stepped down, Monte Cristo had fled the continent when OR was dead and only came back when OR was an Empire to say that he has a claim to the throne (lol). So Fuinur, and his heirs can always claim that their are the line that made OR so big - and that was pre Charger-rebellion and pre-Dekion corrupcy.
Atanamir however does not do that, he has found his way of life in the south, after being treated so badly from Sirion and been left out in the follow-up state of OR, what eventually became Nivemus. He is surely insulted in his honour, for he and his family have done so much for a realm (OR) and have got nothing in return, but he also acknowledges that he has to look into future. But still, he sees that his loyal vassals have suddenly are being recruited and used as sword fodder for a possible war against him. This comes to a peak when the delegation of the old captain of Fuinur arrives in Perdan. See, that Haradrim are not peasants, they are the personal warrior caste of the Umbar family, which Nivemus tries to use against their leader. What happened afterwards, you know all...Enjoy now the war.
And for the thousandth time again,
Nivemus is not Old Rancagua.
But if that isn't a simple enough explanation, here is a more complex one:
1. Through your badly written jibberish, I think I can make out Talius stepping down and so not having as large a claim, and Monte Cristo emigrating elsewhere and then immigrating back. I am unsure about the Talius situation, I heard he was removed due to a wound and then someone else was elected in his place, but I know for a fact the Monte Cristo never left the continent. He has been in Westmoor and Caligus, and then came back to help start Nivemus. He never left the continent and he never ran for King on his 'claims'.
2. Claiming your former King made OR big and claiming you have a right to the throne are two very different things. But, once again, this is irrelevant because Nivemus is not OR.
3. If by treated so badly you mean was an entirely irresponsible and unsuccessful General, then yes, he was 'treated badly' in Sirion. But it wasn't like their weren't former Old Rancaguans who weren't treated badly and as a waste of space at one point or another, although it is worth mentioning that
the true Old Rancaguans that were in Sirion, such as myself, Talius, and Olaf, never held a Sirionite position because Sirion was not our home, which, in my opinion, is indicative of what Atanamir really wanted his entire career: power. There were some others, such as the Flockharts, Fleishers, and Cobalts who rose to power in the North of Sirion, but they were corrupt and eventually banished by Erik Eyolf, something which is still remembered by Neji.
4. Atanamir do a lot for OR? Give me a break. I can see where you said the Umbar's did a lot, which is fine. But Atanamir? You have to be a part of a realm for you to do something for them!
5. Once again, and for the thousandth time I say, I don't mind your reason for war, and in fact, I appreciate it! And you can say they are the personal warrior caste of the Umbar family, but as Ketchum pointed out in his RP, and as nearly everyone in Nivemus will tell you, you cannot recruit Nivemus units, the Haradrim is located in Pedrera, and Atanamir is a Southern King who thinks he can bully Nivemus.
You can Roleplay things that say I am wrong and things that are exactly contradictory to what the Nivemus tradition now has. But: 1. I hope you won't because you are sacrificing the joy of many players for your deluded 'personal warrior caste' that isn't supported game mechanics wise at all, and 2. That doesn't stop me from doing what I will do, and that's Roleplaying out a Nivemus tradition.
Quote from: Uzamaki on February 22, 2013, 07:45:47 PM. . .but I know for a fact the Monte Cristo never left the continent. He has been in Westmoor and Caligus, and then came back to help start Nivemus. He never left the continent. . .
Actually High Guard/Monte Cristo spent about two years on Beluaterra. He was even overthrown as leader of Melhed in a rebellion. That move was after he lost the election for ruler of Rancagua. He later returned to Old Rancagua. If he attempted to take credit for things, I have no idea off hand as I wasn't there at the time. Then again, neither were you as it was 2005.
Quote from: Draco Tanos on February 22, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Actually High Guard/Monte Cristo spent about two years on Beluaterra. He was even overthrown as leader of Melhed in a rebellion. That move was after he lost the election for ruler of Rancagua. He later returned to Old Rancagua. If he attempted to take credit for things, I have no idea off hand as I wasn't there at the time. Then again, neither were you as it was 2005.
Yeah that was 2005. I assumed, since we were talking about claims to the Nivemus throne, he was talking about in-between Old Rancagua's death and Nivemus' birth.
EDIT: And I am not sure if he is talking about when Old Rancagua was dead... Does he mean when the Church of Rancagua took over and the Talius and others later fought a Civil War against Rancagua with Old Rancagua? Doesn't really matter though...
From what I remember of High Guard during his time in Westmoor, he never seemed to have given up claims to OR's throne either. Been a long while though, so most I remember is him complaining about everything.
Quote from: Draco Tanos on February 22, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
From what I remember of High Guard during his time in Westmoor, he never seemed to have given up claims to OR's throne either. Been a long while though, so most I remember is him complaining about everything.
Well, he never acted on them. Not yet at least. As for the latter part, that comes with every Tezokian.
Trust me. I have been dealing with Tezokians over my past three years and nobody is more sick and tired of their unproductive complaints.
I swear this is the last time I am leading a republic. MONARCHY FTW.
They're the same way in monarchies, apparently.
Though I would love to see a republic actually played as a merchant republic. It'd certainly be interesting.
Quote from: Draco Tanos on February 22, 2013, 11:13:51 PM
They're the same way in monarchies, apparently.
Though I would love to see a republic actually played as a merchant republic. It'd certainly be interesting.
Definitely. Unfortunately, BM's trade system isn't as fancy as CK2. Actually, CK2's trade system isn't that fancy either...
With sea travel, it'll make merchant republics more feasible from a RP prospective.
And no, CK2's trade system isn't fancy at all. It's all gold, really.
Would love to see more real differences between the government types in BM.
Quote from: Draco Tanos on February 22, 2013, 11:33:56 PM
With sea travel, it'll make merchant republics more feasible from a RP prospective.
And no, CK2's trade system isn't fancy at all. It's all gold, really.
Would love to see more real differences between the government types in BM.
I believe that is on Tom's TODO list but with him being busy with M&F, I doubt it will be implemented in any foreseeable future.
Oh, please don't make this ooc. I've played with all of you and I enjoy the roleplay we build together. I guess after these many years playing I've just learned that everyone and everyone's character has a different idea of what is right, and what should happen, and what is fair. And this is why wars start. Let's just enjoy this and see how things develop instead of turning it into arguments between players.
Also, I was not arguing that Atanamir is right and should destroy Nivemus and own all of its lands... I am saying that the he has a very valid motivation to declare a war against Nivemus, and that his story is a lot more interesting than "hurr hurr give me your lands".
Let's play now.
Quote from: Gloria on February 23, 2013, 03:25:09 AM
I am saying that the he has a very valid motivation to declare a war against Nivemus, and that his story is a lot more interesting than "hurr hurr give me your lands".
Let's play now.
This is something I completely agree with.
To get back on topic!
I would like to start up a bet on the winner of this week's Battle. I praise the lord for it to happen; last time i was on huge battle was in these old days of Trimbar Hitchhiking...but anyways!
Nivemus has been ready on Oberndorf (for 1 week but still) waiting. I analized that this war will be one of those that are fought weekly, so i think each side have enough time to prepare their forces so here we have:
Right corner, Nivemus
Left Corner, Perdan.
Probable Aid:
Sirion for Nivemus
Neutral for now:
Westmoor
Obsidian Islands
Thoughts?
It'll end up destructive.
For me:
Perdan's side will win. Nivemus will lose some regions maybe ashforth and so will sirion. ;)
Now it is more like
Perdan, Armonia and Westmoor vs Sirion and Nivemus.
A big battle is waiting for people :) The coming battle will most likely surpass the current biggest battle that BM has ever seen.
Quote from: T Strike on March 02, 2013, 01:25:11 AM
It'll end up destructive.
For me:
Perdan's side will win. Nivemus will lose some regions maybe ashforth and so will sirion. ;)
is not the war...i mean this next battle >:(
It is the same... the Perdan side will win.
Quote from: T Strike on March 02, 2013, 03:30:23 PM
It is the same... the Perdan side will win.
We shall see. ;)
Yes we shall ;)
Quote from: T Strike on March 02, 2013, 10:01:38 PM
Yes we shall ;)
At the very least, it should be fun. Which is good since the East Continent was pretty boring for a year.
I can't wait until regular battles occur.
This is just the beginning, wait till Ibladesh rises again. Then the real fun times begin. :)
The Church of Humanity is already spreading through the area. Your heathen ways will never stand. :P
Quote from: Draco Tanos on March 03, 2013, 03:03:07 AM
The Church of Humanity is already spreading through the area. Your heathen ways will never stand. :P
Ah, so I assume it will be used for war then? ::)
Nope. That's what armies and Faithful judges are for.
Edit: As a reminder, the Church declared a Holy Crusade against Ibladesh/CoI in defense of the Faithful and our temples. Technically it still stands.
Quote from: Sonya on March 02, 2013, 02:09:09 PM
is not the war...i mean this next battle >:(
Stalemate. Perdan and Armonia run out of time and need go back refit, Nivemus and Sirion slaughter the slow-moving leftover for supper ;D
Quote from: Ketchum on March 03, 2013, 06:34:25 AM
Stalemate. Perdan and Armonia run out of time and need go back refit, Nivemus and Sirion slaughter the slow-moving leftover for supper ;D
Soooo no battle this week? :'(
Quote from: Sonya on March 03, 2013, 04:44:13 PM
Soooo no battle this week? :'(
I think next turn will have some battles. ;D
Nivemus took quite a few wounds by being outflanked farther north, which kinda makes up for Perdan's stragglers in the first campaign.
Bruck/Oberndorf is feeling like the DMZ, though. How many scouts have the two sides lost?
Quote from: Dishman on March 04, 2013, 05:26:40 PM
Nivemus took quite a few wounds by being outflanked farther north, which kinda makes up for Perdan's stragglers in the first campaign.
Bruck/Oberndorf is feeling like the DMZ, though. How many scouts have the two sides lost?
Yeah, Perdan did a great job damaging the roads as we were approaching, and we had not so good movement rates anyways, so, our army got split up. Had we arrived together, it would still have been close, but separate, we can't stand against a force.
Probably a lot of scouts, haha.
Quote from: Dishman on March 04, 2013, 05:26:40 PM
Nivemus took quite a few wounds by being outflanked farther north, which kinda makes up for Perdan's stragglers in the first campaign.
Bruck/Oberndorf is feeling like the DMZ, though. How many scouts have the two sides lost?
The road was too crowed to get there (lucky me), This new round promises to be a better fight, but Perdan Forces will win again.
Ketchum, save me a spot in the Healer's Tent, see you there!
I'm growing tired in Oberndorf.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on March 04, 2013, 10:34:36 PM
I'm growing tired in Oberndorf.
It would be pretty sad if Armonia came all this way for nothing. :-\
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on March 04, 2013, 10:34:36 PM
I'm growing tired in Oberndorf.
I would be quite happy to see your army do something else.
Yeah... I would like if Nivemus could defend itself, probably keep good scouts and don't let the Dukes leaves their city unprotected against small raiding forces.
There is a difference between helping and being stupid. Next time let me know if you want the Silver Legion inside Nivemus to fight against vultures ;)
Hehe :) yesssss!
Quote from: Sonya on March 04, 2013, 05:46:55 PM
The road was too crowed to get there (lucky me), This new round promises to be a better fight, but Perdan Forces will win again.
Ketchum, save me a spot in the Healer's Tent, see you there!
Yes, Brock sleeping in Healer Tent. His wound got infected, now in serious condition. Probably after he hear Atanamir good RolePlay, his wound become more serious and he going succumb to his wound and die :P
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on March 04, 2013, 10:56:59 PM
Yeah... I would like if Nivemus could defend itself, probably keep good scouts and don't let the Dukes leaves their city unprotected against small raiding forces.
There is a difference between helping and being stupid. Next time let me know if you want the Silver Legion inside Nivemus to fight against vultures ;)
While this is true, Perdan would be mopping up Westmoor if we had attacked last campaign while we had the advantage. Instead, Sirion stuck to honor instead of strategy, and Perdan was allowed to regroup, Westmoor allowed to stay undamaged, and they got help from Armonia, which was always expected.
Quote from: Uzamaki on March 05, 2013, 01:18:57 AM
While this is true, Perdan would be mopping up Westmoor if we had attacked last campaign while we had the advantage. Instead, Sirion stuck to honor instead of strategy, and Perdan was allowed to regroup, Westmoor allowed to stay undamaged, and they got help from Armonia, which was always expected.
Talk to Tezokians ;)
Quote from: Zaki on March 05, 2013, 01:42:34 AM
Talk to Tezokians ;)
They will get an earful. ;)
Grabs Pop Corn!
(http://imageshack.us/a/img38/7374/thisjustgotreal.png)
If wasn't for the battles on Juazeiro, this one would be Over 100,000 CS
This almost makes up for the awful peace and tranquility I was greeted with when I started in East Continent. ;D
.... turn calculating...
edit: ..... Did we break it? (4 mins)
edit2: Finally!
edit3: Defenders win! Defenders win!
edit4: New largest battle!
Total:
51 attackers (3114 Inf, 207 Arch, 291 Cav, 30 SF)
58 defenders (1919 Inf, 580 Arch, 613 Cav, 465 SF)
Total combat strengths: 40934 vs. 50253
edit 5: Strong winds, which was lucky for the attackers, but given the early results didn't matter that much.
Final edit: [Scribe:657146|637df5c84b2cc61e] Battle in Oberndorf fresh for those of you who want to see and have a char on the EC.
Aestas (55) fire on Roughnecks (33), scoring 1014 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Bathgate Foot Soldiers (4), scoring 1841 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Patriot Guards (28), scoring 1148 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on The Scarlet Sentinels (43), scoring 1725 hits.
Aestas (55) score 811 hits on Iron Hussars (15)
Aestas (55) fire on Ravier's Redeemers (30), scoring 494 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Kyara's Kunoichi (19), scoring 896 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Neesta's Instant (26), scoring 718 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Westmoor Slingers (47), scoring 809 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Westmoor Slingers (47), scoring 476 hits.
Muwahhaah 9932 hits in one combat!
Gotta say we haven't had one of these epic battles in a very long time.
P.S Interestingly, I've only gained 2 honour... wth...
There were ~5.5k CS that didn't make it for the attackers, but they were still outnumbered. Modifying apparent CS for the deceptive win! Also, utilizing your archers!
Quote from: Zaki on March 06, 2013, 06:35:17 AM
Aestas (55) fire on Roughnecks (33), scoring 1014 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Bathgate Foot Soldiers (4), scoring 1841 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Patriot Guards (28), scoring 1148 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on The Scarlet Sentinels (43), scoring 1725 hits.
Aestas (55) score 811 hits on Iron Hussars (15)
Aestas (55) fire on Ravier's Redeemers (30), scoring 494 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Kyara's Kunoichi (19), scoring 896 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Neesta's Instant (26), scoring 718 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Westmoor Slingers (47), scoring 809 hits.
Aestas (55) fire on Westmoor Slingers (47), scoring 476 hits.
Muwahhaah 9932 hits in one combat!
Gotta say we haven't had one of these epic battles in a very long time.
P.S Interestingly, I've only gained 2 honour... wth...
They were so kind to setup in a box formation weren't they? Gregor even warned them against it. But they didn't really listen.
Edit: My poor close combat SF only got to do 3925 in 5 rounds.
Quote from: Sonya on March 05, 2013, 07:07:31 PM
Grabs Pop Corn!
Brock still wounded, grabbed pop corn from Sonya ;)
Good formation battle. Wish I was there, now stuck at the northern icy part in Healer Tent. It is so kind of Sonya to visit me ;D
Haven't seen a report this big :o
Battle in Oberndorf (41 minutes ago)
Armonía, Perdan, Westmoor vs. Nivemus, Sirion
Estimated strengths: 3350 men vs. 3220 men
The Perdan's Crimson Wing (Perdan), sponsored by Nicoli Rasthaven, Duke of Perdan, Margrave of Perdan, were led into battle by Marshal Joreb deLacy.
The Perdan's Royal Lions (Perdan), sponsored by Nicoli Rasthaven, Duke of Perdan, Margrave of Perdan, were led into battle by Marshal Damayan Laegan.
The Silver Legion (Sirion), sponsored by Erik Eyolf Serpentis, Duke of Avamar, Margrave of Avamar, Marshal of Silver Legion, were led into battle by Marshal Erik Eyolf Serpentis.
The Red Dragons (Sirion), sponsored by Ecthelion Tezokian, Judge of Sirion, Duke of Sirion, Margrave of Sirion, were led into battle by Marshal Zidane Soulja.
The Army of Sirion (Sirion), sponsored by Ecthelion Tezokian, Judge of Sirion, Duke of Sirion, Margrave of Sirion, were led into battle by Marshal Simba Warhawk.
The Westmoorian Bulwark (Westmoor), sponsored by Sir Ravier Nebehn, Duke of the Western Moors, Margrave of Westmoor, Marshal of Westmoorian Bulwark, were led into battle by Marshal Ravier Nebehn.
The Armonian Rangers (Armonía), sponsored by Lady Autrey Bendix, Queen of Armonía, Royal of Armonía, Duchess of Itorunt, Margravine of Itorunt, were led into battle by Marshal Ramsey Ironsides.
The Armonian Combat Elite (Armonía), sponsored by Lady Autrey Bendix, Queen of Armonía, Royal of Armonía, Duchess of Itorunt, Margravine of Itorunt, were led into battle by Marshal Iratus Galvez.
Jayden Fury, Count of Flismar is spotted wielding the Obsidian Blade of Destruction.
Krystallus Christensen, Knight of Perdan is spotted wearing the Oil of Dreams.
Dan Gaeros von Lucker, Chief of Finance of Armonía, Knight of Priotness is spotted wielding the Blessed Dagger of Bloodletting.
Nick Ilyrians, Legodos of Nivemus, Earl of Oberndorf is spotted wielding the Ruron's Guard of the Dragonslayer.
Nick Ilyrians, Legodos of Nivemus, Earl of Oberndorf is spotted wearing the Diamond Band.
Fangir Stormblade, Knight of Ashforth was captured by Shale Maldives's unit.
Laszlo Umpeta Perticta, Knight of Ashforth was captured by Neustria Nightshroud's unit.
Damayan Laegan, Knight of Montauban, Marshal of Perdan's Royal Lions was captured by Erik Eyolf Serpentis's unit.
Lucious Harron, Knight of Westmoor was captured by Anurak Invictus's unit.
Nalok IceBeard, Knight of Partora was captured by Durion Eyolf Serpentis's unit.
Jon Matthews, Knight of Bursa was captured by Webin cIipt's unit.
Ubin cIipt, Count of Braga was captured by Neustria Nightshroud's unit.
Caelitus Acies Dux Ducis, Baron of Sermbar was captured by Lux Du Couteau's unit.
Lady Cassandra Foxglove, Dame of Poitiers was captured by Tieria Francios's unit.
Iratus Galvez, Count of Itor Boss, Marshal of Armonian Combat Elite was captured by Giselle Relak's unit.
Dan Gaeros von Lucker, Chief of Finance of Armonía, Knight of Priotness was captured by Erik Eyolf Serpentis's unit.
Defender Victory!
While it was a good win, the Southerners still have an advantage. Perdan did a really good job on their attack in the North, and the Nivemus military did a really bad job of defending against it. And now we are paying the price for it.
It looks to me all the Marshals are out... Seeing Oberndorf battle where Marshals are captured and also Juazeiro battle where Brock is wounded until today.
I HATE YOU ALL!
I was 1 hour away to arrive, but i got delayed by 5 hours. :'(
All those hours wasted yesterday, writing RPs for this battle and i am left out?
(╯゜□゜)╯︵ ┻━┻
One thing's for certain.. I'm done with using Cavalry. They suck. Always get ripped apart even with good settings! >.>
I'm still waiting an opportunity to wound Atanamir in battle... but he need to be in one.
I arrested just two with Erik and one with Dürion. Maybe the greatest battle, but not my best. Just 5035 hits with my best SF and just 1 Honor.
Quote from: Uzamaki on March 06, 2013, 07:44:31 AM
While it was a good win, the Southerners still have an advantage. Perdan did a really good job on their attack in the North, and the Nivemus military did a really bad job of defending against it. And now we are paying the price for it.
I think you'll be surprised to see how much the disparity in CS loss really was. PMW's raid while successful won't really do too much in the end. The real trick will be once the war starts being fought on the PWA lands not on NS lands. Then the damage will be done there instead.
Quote from: Ravier on March 06, 2013, 02:26:10 PM
One thing's for certain.. I'm done with using Cavalry. They suck. Always get ripped apart even with good settings! >.>
Well, I don't think they suck. The defenders were using box too, but since the attackers didn't have a whole lot of archers and the defenders forced the attackers to sit in a lot of withering archer fire for so long that the Cav took losses. Really, the biggest problem was that the Cav didn't get to charge. A lot of units broke out of their defensive position and stopped them from charging, negating the hit boost.
That could've been fixed by a Cav Charge, or the all out charge opening by the attackers, but you didn't have a huge amount of Cav that could've stood up to an infantry wall defense for at least one round. So it was a lose lose for the attackers that time.
Well I'm almost flat broke from recruiting almost max units twice, and the most recent battle has wiped my men out completely.
Now I'm basically recovering from my light wounds in Ashforth until I can get enough gold to sally forth once more... at least my family lives in the city to keep me company!
Sirion's Heavy Cavalry is always expected, that's why i had a 120 Cavalry unit to compensate it, sadly didn't make it on time. ::)
But what took me off guard more, was the Archer superiority as well. I was not present, no one have shared a battle report and considering what Zaki previously posted, it seems that no setting were used, then:
Quote51 attackers (3114 Inf, 207 Arch, 291 Cav, 30 SF)
58 defenders (1919 Inf, 580 Arch, 613 Cav, 465 SF)
Unless the Sirion's SF were the Shadow Blades (100/100/99) the only option for the attackers was to Inf Charge, to crowd the front lines with higher number of infantry, and avoid at least most of the Cavalry charges.
This battle was a total meat grinding to me.
Well, this was the first battle, i doubt that there will be another huge one like this, this time everyone used old and trained units, now the time to micromanage the gold will come.
Lets see what the next week will bring us! :)
Many people lost their well trained units in this battle. First Nivemus lost their units in the north. But with this battle, all the southerners lost a good portion of their trained units. Perdan still has good units (PMW) so it wasn't as big of a loss for them. Sirion lost half of their men as well though some of recovering. Armonia will have a fun time going back to the south ;)
Quote from: Sonya on March 06, 2013, 06:55:35 PM
Sirion's Heavy Cavalry is always expected, that's why i had a 120 Cavalry unit to compensate it, sadly didn't make it on time. ::)
Lets see what the next week will bring us! :)
The road is overcrowded with soldiers or infiltrator delay you? ::)
Quote from: Zaki on March 06, 2013, 07:01:15 PM
Many people lost their well trained units in this battle. First Nivemus lost their units in the north. But with this battle, all the southerners lost a good portion of their trained units. Perdan still has good units (PMW) so it wasn't as big of a loss for them. Sirion lost half of their men as well though some of recovering. Armonia will have a fun time going back to the south ;)
Yes, it is quite a bad move on Nivemus to lose their units in the north. Or we could have see even bigger battle in Oberndorf. The murdering off militia by Perdan infiltrators are having some effects on the northern Nivemus lands. All realms involve will need sometime to recover from these recent battles; trained units need fresh recruit, gold will be handout, and so on. You all veteran at wars, should know these ;D
On another note, I never thought my character Brock, Lord of Pedrera region of which Atanamir made RolePlays on. They both met in Juazeiro battle with Atanamir seriously wounding Brock. I would love to have Brock payback Atanamir for what he did :P
He's already continuing to pay Brock back for his insolence by likely driving Pedrera rogue. :P
This may be a more or less correct/suitable description of the events, but nonetheless shared with the Generals of East Contienets:
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First Westmoor sends priests into Nivemus, 19 days ago. Gaenm ap Gaenvan, a priest of Church of Humanity was in Oberndorf.
Westmoor let Perdan armies march through their lands to attack Nivemus without any aggression or act of violence from our part.
Perdan attacks Nivemus, for the disillusions of Atanamir.
Sirions moves in to defend Nivemus from foreign aggressors.
Perdan flees and refits, and once more travel through Westmoor to attack Nivemus.
Nivemus sends a nobles through Westmoor to keep scouting the Perdan army. This is needed since Westmoor bends over and is !@#$ed in the arse repeadedly as the barmaids they are. No Westmoorian would ever stand up straight in the sight of Perdanese, keeping their heads in suitable height whenever they are needed.
Armonia sees it fit to travel north as well to attack Nivemus. Apparently Nivemus has highly insulted them by defending their lands with their allies. I would be most pleased to hear what these southerners have to say. Surely they have some way of communicating. If their General does not manage it, have one of your diplomats contact me.
Westmoor is also highly angered that Nivemus respond to the Perdan attack. If they are not men enough to keep their pants on when a Perdanese soldier walks past, who is anyone else to keep their ass-cheeks shut? Westmoor attacks Nivemus to keep their pride in place.
One Perdanese army slips through the northern defences, while the Westmoorian, Armonian and half Perdanese army is slaughtered in Salta.
awaiting vulgarity bolt...
Yup, all of us here in Nivemus do seem to attract aggression... Luckily Sirion is sensible and friendly. It is kind of funny that Perdan's king is stuck in the north looting his precious region and terrorizing the populace that we were supposedly oppressing. With any luck we'll be able to corner him up there and route his forces eventually. Unfortunately that doesn't look like it'll happen too soon.
Quote from: Noldorin on March 08, 2013, 04:47:32 PMFirst Westmoor sends priests into Nivemus, 19 days ago. Gaenm ap Gaenvan, a priest of Church of Humanity was in Oberndorf.
Westmoor does not "allow" priests to move anywhere. The Church of Humanity is an independent organization, no matter what Jor's profession is. Not to mention two things: 1. Nivemus did not mention it to the Church or Westmoor if there were any concerns. 2. To my knowledge, he did nothing game-function-wise.
Though the first issue would, of course, be Davis coming into Westmoor attempting to challenge people to duels to circumvent assassination and perform "friendly" attempts at bounty collecting. This happened long before Gaenm entered Oberndorf to visit the ruins of the temple we had there that Nivemus's first monarch swore would be kept safe, yet was torn down.
Quote from: Noldorin on March 08, 2013, 04:47:32 PMWestmoor let Perdan armies march through their lands to attack Nivemus without any aggression or act of violence from our part.
1. We are obligated by treaty. 2. Now Nivemus knows how we felt when they allowed Sirion to use their lands in their war of aggression.
Perdan attacks Nivemus, for the disillusions of Atanamir.
Quote from: Noldorin on March 08, 2013, 04:47:32 PMSirions moves in to defend Nivemus from foreign aggressors.
Yes, Sirion defends its property.
Quote from: Noldorin on March 08, 2013, 04:47:32 PMPerdan flees and refits, and once more travel through Westmoor to attack Nivemus.
Treaties don't suddenly disappear.
Quote from: Noldorin on March 08, 2013, 04:47:32 PMNivemus sends a nobles through Westmoor to keep scouting the Perdan army. This is needed since Westmoor bends over and is !@#$ed in the arse repeadedly as the barmaids they are. No Westmoorian would ever stand up straight in the sight of Perdanese, keeping their heads in suitable height whenever they are needed.
LOL. Considering we've come close to war with Perdan a few times (in public even), I love hearing this fallacy. Meanwhile Nivemus is either always on its knees or they keep any disagreements with their lords and masters in Sirion behind closed doors.
Basically, the replies are all the same: Westmoor and Armonia gave Perdan their word. Unlike Nivemus, we're not going back on our word. Nivemus has made no attempt to improve relations with Westmoor, or negotiate right of passage. Things don't magically go your way? Someone else is the pet of another realm. I suppose redirecting your frustration over your relationship with Sirion towards us is natural.
Quote from: Karlaek on March 08, 2013, 07:19:46 PM
Yup, all of us here in Nivemus do seem to attract aggression...
This is what happens when a realm allows a large influx of Fontanese and honorless traitors to infiltrate its nobility.
Quote from: Karlaek on March 08, 2013, 07:19:46 PMLuckily Sirion is sensible and friendly.
Sensible is never a term I'd use to describe Sirion, but of course they are friendly towards Nivemus. They view you as their property.
Not to mention that Kronogos Neji had been plotting a war against Westmoor and Perdan for some time and gathering allies. This was reported back to both Westmoor and Perdan, and later came to light for most of the EC when Armonia refused to ally with Nivemus/Sirion and chose an alliance with Westmoor instead.
Nivemus never did anything to justify a war against it? Oh, come on. ::)
So, if you had all these legitimate reasons for the war, why wait for Perdan to make up some completely bogus and fake reason to start it?
A rather pleasant morning constitutional, made all the better for seeing Perdan and Westmoor fleeing home with their tails betwixt their nethers.
| hits dealt | hits taken |
Brigdha | 5659 | 405 |
Aednadh | 2722 | 43 |
Quote from: Foxglove on March 08, 2013, 09:43:50 PM
Not to mention that Kronogos Neji had been plotting a war against Westmoor and Perdan for some time and gathering allies. This was reported back to both Westmoor and Perdan, and later came to light for most of the EC when Armonia refused to ally with Nivemus/Sirion and chose an alliance with Westmoor instead.
Sirion chose not to ally with Armonia having received a request from the Queen. The general thinking was that embroiling ourselves in the internal affairs of the south would be pointless.
Quote from: feyeleanor on March 08, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
A rather pleasant morning constitutional, made all the better for seeing Perdan and Westmoor fleeing home with their tails betwixt their nethers.
| hits dealt | hits taken |
Brigdha | 5659 | 405 |
Aednadh | 2722 | 43 |
You again? Back under your bridge.
Quote from: feyeleanor on March 08, 2013, 10:02:04 PM
A rather pleasant morning constitutional, made all the better for seeing Perdan and Westmoor fleeing home with their tails betwixt their nethers.
Actually i wouldn't call that a defeat, even after losing the battle, Perdan have done a lot damage to Nivemus regions, and that is difficult to recover.
When the gold get scarced and recruitment centers are empty, you will remember that winning a battle is not everything. Specially if you win just to go back home.
Message from Perdan:
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Quote from: Indirik on March 08, 2013, 09:55:21 PM
So, if you had all these legitimate reasons for the war, why wait for Perdan to make up some completely bogus and fake reason to start it?
+1.
I was waiting on Sirion to give me the rights to Oligarch. ::)
Quote from: Sonya on March 09, 2013, 05:45:24 AM
Actually i wouldn't call that a defeat, even after losing the battle, Perdan have done a lot damage to Nivemus regions, and that is difficult to recover.
The battle of Oberndorf was a definite defeat, but it let flanking forces pillage freely farther north. So far, Nivemus and Sirion are on the defensive and Nivemus is still taking good chunks of damage. This doesn't bode well for Nivemus, despite a nice victory in a pitched battle. If all it takes to tie up the armies of Nivemus and Sirion is to sit on the edge of Westmoor and misdirect...we'll continue to loot them from behind.
I'm curious what Caligus and Eponlyn are thinking right now. Join the north vs south continent war? Take a cheap shot at a tied up neighbor without getting entangled? Sit on their helmets and sleep through the war?
Quote from: Sonya on March 09, 2013, 05:45:24 AM
Actually i wouldn't call that a defeat, even after losing the battle, Perdan have done a lot damage to Nivemus regions, and that is difficult to recover.
When the gold get scarced and recruitment centers are empty, you will remember that winning a battle is not everything. Specially if you win just to go back home.
You're forgetting that home for Sirion is considerably closer than for Perdan or Armonia. Those sneak attacks through OI will have to be running like clockwork to keep the pressure Nivemus, and the bulk of SA forces will have to keep marching to probable defeat on the Westmoor front. Meanwhile all Sirion has to do is keep ramping up her veteran units to match her income and the balance of power will be very much in her favour.
I think it's worth noting that Perdan has pillaged and marauded in Nivemus and Nivemus has specific orders not to pillage and maraud considering the 'reason' for this war. :P
So what I'm hearing is that Perdan has free range to pillage Nivemus. I'm sure they will get tired of burning and plunder after a while. Nivemus just needs to wait it out. ;)
Until Nivemus/Sirion march towards fortified regions in Westmoor/Perdan...it's happy fun pillage time. Even when they decide to counter attack, they leave themselves open to even more happy-fun-pillage-time. Nivemus seems in the squeeze, but time will tell how much of one.
Is Caligus in the 'Church of Humanity"? After Sirion looted a shrine, I'd think that would be a good excuse for Caligus to jump in and grow fat with Sirion land.
Quote from: Dishman on March 21, 2013, 07:06:50 AM
So what I'm hearing is that Perdan has free range to pillage Nivemus. I'm sure they will get tired of burning and plunder after a while. Nivemus just needs to wait it out. ;)
Until Nivemus/Sirion march towards fortified regions in Westmoor/Perdan...it's happy fun pillage time. Even when they decide to counter attack, they leave themselves open to even more happy-fun-pillage-time. Nivemus seems in the squeeze, but time will tell how much of one.
Is Caligus in the 'Church of Humanity"? After Sirion looted a shrine, I'd think that would be a good excuse for Caligus to jump in and grow fat with Sirion land.
Unless CoH has managed to convert Dobromir as well, he won't join the CoH group. If he doesn't join the group, his realm won't join the war.
Quote from: Uzamaki on March 21, 2013, 06:22:05 AM
I think it's worth noting that Perdan has pillaged and marauded in Nivemus and Nivemus has specific orders not to pillage and maraud considering the 'reason' for this war. :P
If you would care to read the storyline of the RPs of Atanamir you would know why Perdan pillages and marauds.
Quote from: Atanamir on March 21, 2013, 08:32:14 AM
If you would care to read the storyline of the RPs of Atanamir you would know why Perdan pillages and marauds.
It's still worth noting!
Ohh Great....Now is a "Gold Digging Contest"
When i was young we used to seek the enemy on the field and fight! With Honor, determination, passion, conviction, without fear and looking at the front with sword in hand smashing our faces on Trimbar's Palisad....... Well...You get the point.
Can we have battles please? Stop the LootingMaster!
I have no character on EC for now, but I find wars with lots of maneuvers way more interesting than simplier "let's faceroll the enemy till one of us ends up without troops"
Quote from: Astinus on March 21, 2013, 09:33:15 PM
I have no character on EC for now, but I find wars with lots of maneuvers way more interesting than simplier "let's faceroll the enemy till one of us ends up without troops"
Yea like:
"Look the enemy is moving to our region"
"Shhhn quiet they can heard us, we are going to their region"
:-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Maneuvers is one thing, like a raiding party. But for a main army avoiding another is a shame. I miss the old glory and honor times :(
Still, I think that a main army avoiding another until they can get an advantage is more interesting than just recrtuit up and hope we'll have more cs than them. Battlemaster has a very limited strategical aspect and from what I'm hearing here, Perdan and Sirion are playing it.
I'm considering starting a character there...
Quote from: Sonya on March 21, 2013, 11:59:28 PM
Maneuvers is one thing, like a raiding party. But for a main army avoiding another is a shame. I miss the old glory and honor times :(
I would think the memory of the massive battle in Oberndorf wouldn't have faded so quickly. I'm all for great battles and epic fights, but why blindly go into a meat grinder?
Nivemus and Sirion are trying to defend. The whole point of great battles and those 'honor times' is to determine who can loot and who gets hunted....if Nivemus isnt defending their land then it's already settled who gets to loot and any 'honor times' are just for show. It's strategically better for Perdan/Westmoor to loot the whole of Nivemus rogue rather than battle-refit-battle-refit.
Eventually a duke will secede and become a semi-autonomous vassal...which is a much better deal than duke to a burning realm.
If Nivemus/Sirion won't loot, while the southerners do loot, then the southerners win, hands down. It's a pretty stupid way to fight a war. Sirion should be burning Westmoor to the ground at every opportunity.
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
If Nivemus/Sirion won't loot, while the southerners do loot, then the southerners win, hands down. It's a pretty stupid way to fight a war. Sirion should be burning Westmoor to the ground at every opportunity.
Indeed...
I will... just give me some time to give new orders to the Silver Legion. Let the AoS and RD take care of Nivemus. The Silver Legion must march inside Westmoor and burn everything.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on March 22, 2013, 01:56:23 AM
I will... just give me some time to give new orders to the Silver Legion. Let the AoS and RD take care of Nivemus. The Silver Legion must march inside Westmoor and burn everything.
Myabe the first step would be for Sirion to withdraw from the peace treaty that is still signed and in effect before you start talking about burning Westmoor. Better yet, declare war? :P
Piffle! Just go loot!
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
If Nivemus/Sirion won't loot, while the southerners do loot, then the southerners win, hands down. It's a pretty stupid way to fight a war. Sirion should be burning Westmoor to the ground at every opportunity.
Exactly my thoughts. How can a toothless, clawless tiger beat even a cougar? I mean C'MON.
QuoteMyabe the first step would be for Sirion to withdraw from the peace treaty that is still signed and in effect before you start talking about burning Westmoor. Better yet, declare war? :P
This is a strange war, then we don't need to declare war. Westmoor never declared it and we are fighting. We just need to go there and use the old good "pillage and maraud". But yes, I prefer to declare war. People like to listen Ecthelion instead of listen Erik... then we have this strange kind of war without declarations.
Erik have more lands, more power, more gold (Trinbar is a paradise), more nobles, almost the same CS and Zaki continues to fear Echtelion! Erik have 60 years and he's traveling with siege engines since the first battle... something says we have to siege.
PS: At least he was wounded by a woman in the battle of Juazeiro.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on March 22, 2013, 07:05:06 AM
This is a strange war, then we don't need to declare war. Westmoor never declared it and we are fighting. We just need to go there and use the old good "pillage and maraud". But yes, I prefer to declare war. People like to listen Ecthelion instead of listen Erik... then we have this strange kind of war without declarations.
Erik have more lands, more power, more gold (Trinbar is a paradise), more nobles, almost the same CS and Zaki continues to fear Echtelion! Erik have 60 years and he's traveling with siege engines since the first battle... something says we have to siege.
PS: At least he was wounded by a woman in the battle of Juazeiro.
LIES! LIES AND SLANDER! ZAKI FEARS NO ONE!
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
If Nivemus/Sirion won't loot, while the southerners do loot, then the southerners win, hands down. It's a pretty stupid way to fight a war. Sirion should be burning Westmoor to the ground at every opportunity.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on March 22, 2013, 01:56:23 AM
I will... just give me some time to give new orders to the Silver Legion. Let the AoS and RD take care of Nivemus. The Silver Legion must march inside Westmoor and burn everything.
Again, this is a war between Perdan and Nivemus.
Westmoor (+Armonia) / Sirion help their allies.
The war declaration by Nivemus on Westmoor is still not explained IC.
Which I personally find very lame.
Sirion has no legitimate reason to burn anything.
They are not attacked, their regions are untouched.
Otherwise they will lose their face in front of every other realm.
Certain Sirion individuals will always try to provoke war (burning shrines/stabbing a Perdan noble/shouting here on the forum), good luck to them.
But this war has a RP, and Perdan (and Westmoor) will stick to it.
Quote from: Atanamir on March 22, 2013, 09:03:57 AM
Again, this is a war between Perdan and Nivemus.
Westmoor (+Armonia) / Sirion help their allies.
The war declaration by Nivemus on Westmoor is still not explained IC.
Which I personally find very lame.
Sirion has no legitimate reason to burn anything.
They are not attacked, their regions are untouched.
Otherwise they will lose their face in front of every other realm.
Certain Sirion individuals will always try to provoke war (burning shrines/stabbing a Perdan noble/shouting here on the forum), good luck to them.
But this war has a RP, and Perdan (and Westmoor) will stick to it.
Very true.
Sirion also need to explain IC wise their presence within Westmoor and their attacks as they are violating the peace treaty they have signed with Westmoor.
Did Nivemus declare war on Westmoor before or after Perdan declared war on Nivemus?
Westmoor is pillaging and marauding Nivemus' lands. Nivemus is an ally of Sirion. Sirion, of course, intervenes and attacks Westmoor. It's not rocket science.
Quote from: Feylonis on March 22, 2013, 12:22:30 PM
Did Nivemus declare war on Westmoor before or after Perdan declared war on Nivemus?
Perdan declared war on Nivemus. Nivemus declared randomly war on Westmoor afterwards.
Quote from: Feylonis on March 22, 2013, 12:22:30 PM
Westmoor is pillaging and marauding Nivemus' lands. Nivemus is an ally of Sirion. Sirion, of course, intervenes and attacks Westmoor. It's not rocket science.
Westmoor is looting
after war was declared on it.
Before Westmoor and Armonia were simply asked by Perdan to support them militarily in battles as Sirion aided Nivemus the same way.
Wait... Perdan declares war on Nivemus and attacks, with help of Westmoorian troops, and you consider Nivemus' declaration of war on Westmoor to be "random"? That. Doesn't seem very random.
Also, Sirion attacking Westmoor seems perfectly logical. Westmoor is at war with Sirion's ally, so why wouldn't Sirion attack Westmoor? Not attacking Westmoor would be stupidity in extreme. Given that Westmoor is attacking a Sirionite ally, the cancelling of a peace treaty should be at most a formality. I can't understand why you guys are trying to paint this as some massive breach of ettiquette or betrayal on Sirion's part.
Well I know what is going to happen when I declare war on Westmoor.
I can already hear the cries of certain people ;)
I will soon be more active since my exams are almost over.
Then the excuse of save a couple of commoners is better than pure and simple historical hate? I doubt. Erik hates Westmoor and want to burn it since we ended with Fontan and SoA. Also, Erik is a Warrior of Ora. The best way to help Nivemus? Burn Westmoor. Sounds perfect for me.
But wait! I can always say that Erik want to burn Westmoor to save some of his bastard children.
Quote from: Atanamir on March 22, 2013, 09:03:57 AM
The war declaration by Nivemus on Westmoor is still not explained IC.
Which I personally find very lame.
Remember when Westmoor, Armonia and Perdan attacked Oberndorf? It doesnt need any reason for this, i personally was nagging Neji for two whole days after that attack, to declare war on everyone of the attackers. I was expecting Sirion to do the same and go into Raiding Spread into Westmoor, but they didn't.
sighs Well at least, we can report this week's Huge Battle (Take That Glory & Honor Haters!):
Battle in Juazeiro
Nivemus, Sirion vs. Perdan, Westmoor
Estimated strengths: 2340 men vs. 2200 men
Attacker Victory!
Comments?
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 01:09:10 PM
Wait... Perdan declares war on Nivemus and attacks, with help of Westmoorian troops, and you consider Nivemus' declaration of war on Westmoor to be "random"? That. Doesn't seem very random.
Random to the extent that they didn't also declare war on Armonia and OI. Don't get me wrong, Nivemus declaring war on Westmoor so they could make some sort of advance is perfectly logical from a tactical point of view, but there's no IC logic behind it.
The time line of events was that Perdan declared war on Nivemus. Perdanese and Westmoorian forces took defensive positions in Bruck. Perdanese forces head through OI to attack and loot northern regions of Nivemus. Sirion marched to defend its allies while remaining neutral. Nivemus sent infiltrators into Westmoor and through to Perdan. Westmoor protested at Nivemus violating neutral territory and didn't get much of a reponse from them. Perdan, Westmoor, and Armonia invaded - Perdanese forces looted, while Westmoor and Armonia did not. Perdan and Nivemus had a massive battle in Oberndorf, in which they were supported by Sirionite, Westmoorian, and Armonian neutral allies. Nivemus declared war on Westmoor. Due to the declaration Westmoorian forces now loot Nivemus, which they did not do before the declaration. Any Armonians do not loot because they are still just in Neutral support of their allies.
From the Perdan/Westmoor/Armonia side, there's a consistant character driven logic there. From Nivemus, not so much - their major reasons are that Westmoor allowed Perdan to pass through its territory and then supported its ally in battle. So (by IC logic) why haven't they also declared war on OI and Armonia?
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 05:39:21 PM
From the Perdan/Westmoor/Armonia side, there's a consistant character driven logic there. From Nivemus, not so much - their major reasons are that Westmoor allowed Perdan to pass through its territory and then supported its ally in battle. So (by IC logic) why haven't they also declared war on OI and Armonia?
Couldn't put it better. Declaring war on the one, but not on the other ones, is, well, random.
I have stated why we declared war on Westmoor.
They have had aspirations on having Oberndorf, and to certain extents even Ashforth herself, for some time now. Also, Westmoor(and admittedly Armonia) all participated in the largest battle in history on our soil. Obviously, though, Armonia and Nivemus have no previous tensions between our two realms, and I would be open to resolving any such conflict if possible. I think the same can be said between Sirion and Armonia's current state of affairs, but you would have to ask Zaki.
So, in short, tensions between Westmoor and Nivemus have been mounting for some time now. And yes, I do have a logical reason. When another realm makes it very clear they want one of your cities, you don't take that too lightly. But then again, I want one of theirs so I guess we are even. ;)
At any rate, if you think there was anything logical about Perdan's declaration of war against Nivemus, you are living in dreamland... What King in his right mind declares war on a nation over a few peasants? I mean, yeah, I accept the declaration of war, it was bound to happen anyways, I am glad the East Continent finally isn't stalemated... But it doesn't make a lot of sense. As for Westmoor, they made a complaint about one of our infiltrators entering their lands.
And let it be known I have spoken with Shady and requested he close his borders so that he be completely unbiased. He did not do so, but he let's them be open for all parties, and even though this gives an inherent advantage to Perdan and Westmoor, I respect OI's decision.
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Westmoor protested at Nivemus violating neutral territory
I laughed so hard I think I snorted my drink through my nose.
I bet Westmoor didn't protest very hard about Perdan violating neutral territory, did they?
Quote- their major reasons are that Westmoor allowed Perdan to pass through its territory and then supported its ally in battle.
So you agree that Nivemus has cause to declare war on Westmoor. Good, then we all agree on that point. Therefore the "random" part of your claim seems to be that they have not declared war on OI or Armonia. Not being in Nivemus, I can only guess at their reasons. But just because I don't know them doesn't mean I'm going to call them out for inconsistent RP, or random behavior. There are several reasons I can think of for not declaring the war. Among the biggest is that there not being a state of war hampers Armonia and OI to a large extent, and only helps Nivemus. It greatly reduces OI and Armonia's usefulness to the southern coalition.
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 07:02:46 PM
I laughed so hard I think I snorted my drink through my nose.
I bet Westmoor didn't protest very hard about Perdan violating neutral territory, did they?
+1
Ok, halt.
I played on Nivemus while it was still at peace with Westmoor, and even back then there was a whole "We hate Westmoor; Jor is an idiot" vibe going on. So yes, there is a real and legitimately roleplayed reason why they declared war.
Please stop accusing the people we play with of being random or being poor roleplayers.
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 07:02:46 PM
I laughed so hard I think I snorted my drink through my nose.
About allies moving through allied territory? No, why would they? You don't see the difference between that and Nivemus sending assassins into Westmoor to go after Perdanese nobles?
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 08:34:01 PM
About allies moving through allied territory? No, why would they? You don't see the difference between that and Nivemus sending assassins into Westmoor to go after Perdanese nobles?
Wait....what? :o
Since the very first moment Perdan army used Westmoor lands to attack Nivemus, The north had reasons to declare war on Westmoor.
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 05:39:21 PM
Perdanese and Westmoorian forces took defensive positions in Bruck.
You are Asking....Your own Answers. ???
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 05:39:21 PM
Perdanese forces head through OI to attack and loot northern regions of Nivemus.
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 05:39:21 PM
Random to the extent that they didn't also declare war on Armonia and OI.
Of course, Nivemus have the option to declare war to OI, but that will open a new front. OI may not be wealthy but imagine them looting the regions around Oroya.
OI let the passage open for both sides, so Nivemus can use OI lands to attack as well, the only downside is that OI troops will join Perdan and Westmoor in battle, this can change the outcome of any battle since OI can hurt greatly the other side they are against, is just they are not sure who is the winning side...But for diplomacy effect, they are on "Perdan's Side"
Which of course it will go bad for OI in case that the north wins, after that Nivemus can attack OI because:
They didn't Joined the north.
They let the south pass.
They were just watching.
OMG a New Duchy!
TLDR:Tactics, everything is strategy and tactics, by no declaring war on Armonia and OI, Nivemus keep away a unwanted treat, and didn't give Armonia a reason to travel to the north. Which is a shame.....I wanted to ride over some Elven Heads.
Peace.
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 08:34:01 PM
About allies moving through allied territory?
So then Westmoor is not "neutral territory". That phrase has a very specific meaning. "Giving free passage to one side while denying passage to the other" does not fit the bill.
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 08:53:38 PM
So then Westmoor is not "neutral territory". That phrase has a very specific meaning. "Giving free passage to one side while denying passage to the other" does not fit the bill.
And another +1.
Quote from: Gloria on March 22, 2013, 08:00:27 PM
Ok, halt.
I played on Nivemus while it was still at peace with Westmoor, and even back then there was a whole "We hate Westmoor; Jor is an idiot" vibe going on. So yes, there is a real and legitimately roleplayed reason why they declared war.
Please stop accusing the people we play with of being random or being poor roleplayers.
This is true. Like I said, tensions, from what I understand tensions on both sides, have been mounting for a while now.
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 08:53:38 PM
So then Westmoor is not "neutral territory". That phrase has a very specific meaning. "Giving free passage to one side while denying passage to the other" does not fit the bill.
As far as I know, Nivemus never tried to negotiate passage rights through Westmoor. If they did, and it was refused, then fair enough. They probably just assumed that it would be refused.
Quote from: Sonya on March 22, 2013, 08:50:37 PM
Wait....what? :o
Since the very first moment Perdan army used Westmoor lands to attack Nivemus, The north had reasons to declare war on Westmoor.
Like you said yourself, Perdan also used OI's lands to attack Nivemus.
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
As far as I know, Nivemus never tried to negotiate passage rights through Westmoor. If they did, and it was refused, then fair enough. They probably just assumed that it would be refused.
It was an infiltrator acting on his own... Westmoor was itching for war, they were only looking for an excuse to attack. Only they were itching for a war of neutrality, where their infiltrators, priests, and other nobility would have free reign to walk through our lands. Perdan tends to use this tactic quite often as well. I was not willing to let this happen, and also, eventually it was bound to happen as either one side or the other is eventually going to start trying to TO regions.
Quote from: Uzamaki on March 22, 2013, 09:24:01 PM
Westmoor was itching for war, they were only looking for an excuse to attack.
No, they weren't, interestingly enough. Westmoor was mainly concerned about Nivemus's ambitions towards Oligarch, and their actions were driven by that. You'd be surprised by how much of an anti-war vibe there was within at least half of Westmoor's nobility before this current war started.
That priest going into Oberndorf was something no-one in Westmoor noticed. I think he left when Nivemus raised it, didn't he? Westmoor's infiltrators never entered Nivemus territory prior to Nivemus's war declaration - I should know, because Thomas ordered them not to.
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 09:31:49 PM
No, they weren't, interestingly enough. Westmoor was mainly concerned about Nivemus's ambitions towards Oligarch, and their actions were driven by that. You'd be surprised by how much of an anti-war vibe there was within at least half of Westmoor's nobility before this current war started.
Color me skeptical.
Westmoor spent the last two years of real-time trying to improve relations with the North. The problem is that no-one believes them. They bent over backwards to accomodate the wishes of Sirion during the first Westmoor vs Fontan war.
Quote from: Foxglove on March 22, 2013, 09:38:59 PM
Westmoor spent the last two years of real-time trying to improve relations with the North. The problem is that no-one believes them. They bent over backwards to accomodate the wishes of Sirion during the first Westmoor vs Fontan war.
Not really. Westmoor wanted to keep Krimml -> Fontan told Sirion to keep her words -> Sirion did by crushing Thomas' Westmoorian army in their own land. ( I remember this because I was the general at the time. Plus for some reason Thomas made all his infantry units dig in which allowed me to lose only 2k CS for 12k CS.) -> After that things resolved the way Fontan wanted. They got their capital city back.
Arica was the General during the first Fontanese war, not Thomas. He was marshal of the Column. I can't remember who's idea the digging in was or even why we did it. There must have been some reason for it. To be honest, Sirion had 10,000 CS more than Westmoor in that battle in Oberndorf so it wouldn't have made much difference either way. Sirion's archers would still have cut us to pieces.
No, Westmoor did make every effort to keep in Sirion's good books during the first Fontanese war. The business with Krimml was what started the war - it's what came after that I was talking about. Westmoor did pretty much 90% of what the Sirionite Prime Minister of the day asked them to do in terms of restricting their attacks against Fontan. The problem was that it set up a situation where Fontan could attack Westmoor at will but Westmoor couldn't retaliate for fear of Sirionite intervention. The answer Sirion's Prime Minister gave was that Westmoor was strong enough to keep defeating the Fontanese armies on Westmoorian soil. Which was true, but frustrating.
Indeed. Sirion would have won either way though if Westmoor had not dug in, they would have done more damage than 2k CS loss to Sirion.
People in Sirion hates Westmoor. For me it's reason enough to march and burn everything since they are doing the same with Nivemus. If Perdan cannot touch Sirion and Sirion cannot touch Perdan, then we will burn our "colonies"... sorry... I want to say our "allies". In this case, Westmoor and Nivemus.
About poor excuses, we have enough history to declare war, to burn or to do what we think right with Westmoor. We are not here claiming NPCs and commoners.
In past Erik said to OI to never join the south once again. Then, in right time, if they don't change their mind, Erik will find a way to move there and spread havoc. As you can see, it's about characters, not NPCs.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on March 23, 2013, 12:37:31 AM
People in Sirion hates Westmoor. For me it's reason enough to march and burn everything since they are doing the same with Nivemus. If Perdan cannot touch Sirion and Sirion cannot touch Perdan, then we will burn our "colonies"... sorry... I want to say our "allies". In this case, Westmoor and Nivemus.
About poor excuses, we have enough history to declare war, to burn or to do what we think right with Westmoor. We are not here claiming NPCs and commoners.
In past Erik said to OI to never join the south once again. Then, in right time, if they don't change their mind, Erik will find a way to move there and spread havoc. As you can see, it's about characters, not NPCs.
While Zaki is Erik's boss you ain't burning anyone mindlessly!
Erik don't have a boss, maybe a good friend. Even Ryu is just a friend, after all he's a former Knight. Erik just need to have someone there because he's too much aggressive for diplomacy. And I'm sure you prefer him instead of Ecthelion always dreaming and trying to convince the world that we are nice guys and not dragons.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on March 23, 2013, 01:51:45 AM
Erik don't have a boss, maybe a good friend. Even Ryu is just a friend, after all he's a former Knight. Erik just need to have someone there because he's too much aggressive for diplomacy. And I'm sure you prefer him instead of Ecthelion always dreaming and trying to convince the world that we are nice guys and not dragons.
Ecthelion does hinder many things...
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 01:09:10 PM
Wait... Perdan declares war on Nivemus and attacks, with help of Westmoorian troops, and you consider Nivemus' declaration of war on Westmoor to be "random"? That. Doesn't seem very random.
Also, Sirion attacking Westmoor seems perfectly logical. Westmoor is at war with Sirion's ally, so why wouldn't Sirion attack Westmoor? Not attacking Westmoor would be stupidity in extreme. Given that Westmoor is attacking a Sirionite ally, the cancelling of a peace treaty should be at most a formality. I can't understand why you guys are trying to paint this as some massive breach of ettiquette or betrayal on Sirion's part.
Because its bad form and poor IC otherwise.
And plotting to have a neutral realm's monarch overthrown and replaced with your own patsy is just ducky, eh?
It's funny to see the southern perspective... comical.
Quote from: Indirik on March 23, 2013, 04:20:29 AM
And plotting to have a neutral realm's monarch overthrown and replaced with your own patsy is just ducky, eh?
You mean something that was even only mentioned in passing when Armonia was getting antsy around Eponllyn?
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 07:02:46 PM
I laughed so hard I think I snorted my drink through my nose.
I bet Westmoor didn't protest very hard about Perdan violating neutral territory, did they?
So you agree that Nivemus has cause to declare war on Westmoor. Good, then we all agree on that point. Therefore the "random" part of your claim seems to be that they have not declared war on OI or Armonia. Not being in Nivemus, I can only guess at their reasons. But just because I don't know them doesn't mean I'm going to call them out for inconsistent RP, or random behavior. There are several reasons I can think of for not declaring the war. Among the biggest is that there not being a state of war hampers Armonia and OI to a large extent, and only helps Nivemus. It greatly reduces OI and Armonia's usefulness to the southern coalition.
Perdan does not have any bordering lands near Nivemus and Perdan declare war on Nivemus. Then Perdan use Westmoor lands to travel through and war with Nivemus. Then add on with the Westmoor army joining Perdan army in the biggest battle in Oberndorf, Nivemus land in fact. If Westmoor truly believe Westmoor can get away with Peace after what Westmoor did, they are clearly misleading.
Nivemus already explains their reason for declare war on Westmoor. I do not think Westmoor accept it IC and OOC. Best leave it at that.
Quote from: Ketchum on March 23, 2013, 05:57:49 AM
Perdan does not have any bordering lands near Nivemus and Perdan declare war on Nivemus. Then Perdan use Westmoor lands to travel through and war with Nivemus. Then add on with the Westmoor army joining Perdan army in the biggest battle in Oberndorf, Nivemus land in fact. If Westmoor truly believe Westmoor can get away with Peace after what Westmoor did, they are clearly misleading.
Nivemus already explains their reason for declare war on Westmoor. I do not think Westmoor accept it IC and OOC. Best leave it at that.
Westmoor does the same thing as Sirion, yet is the bad guy? Right. Keep dreaming, Pokemon.
Exactly, its fine if "Sirion" does it, but if someone else does, oh no, cant have that can we.
Geez.
Quote from: Indirik on March 22, 2013, 07:02:46 PM
I laughed so hard I think I snorted my drink through my nose.
I bet Westmoor didn't protest very hard about Perdan violating neutral territory, did they?
Westmoor and Perdan are
allies.
If people would do their maths better before posting every unqualified comment, then this forum would be much more interesting to participate.
Or if they just don't know, maybe just stay out of discussions. ;)
Quote from: Uzamaki on March 22, 2013, 06:56:17 PM
I have stated why we declared war on Westmoor.
Yes, but, as said, by a pure objective logic, random is, that you have not declared war on Armonia as well.
They had made, in terms of military aggression, movement and diplomacy the exact same things as the Westmoorians (till your war declaration).
The Oberndorf issue etc is a thing between Nivemus and Westmoor.
If you declared a war due to the things between you two, then this has nothing to do with Perdan or well, Armonia. Perfectly ok then.
But you Ihope you have thought this through before, cause now, if there should be peace between Perdan and Nivemus, the war between you and Westmoor will be excluded.
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Yes, but, as said, by a pure objective logic, random is, that you have not declared war on Armonia as well. They had made, in terms of military aggression, movement and diplomacy the exact same things as the Westmoorians (till your war declaration).
Several things here:
First, that statement is just wrong. In addition to joining the attack, Westmoor deliberately and knowingly allowed Perdan forces to travel through their lands for the purpose of attacking Nivemus. So far as I know, Armmonia has not done this. ;)
Second, you know very well that there are very important political implications for being the one that declared the war. Why should Nivemus take that burden on themselves? If Armonia and OI intend to make war on Nivemus, they should also have a burden of declaring it. (Which is partly what some of the Westmoorians here are complaining about Sirion's activities, too: waging a war without declaring it.)
Third, why aren't you taking OI and Armonia to task for waging war on Nivemus without declaring the war?
Fourth, there are sound military reasons for not declaring the war, and again you know this very well.
Fifth, it is possible that Nivemus hopes to talk their way out of war with Armonia and/or Nivemus. Declaring the war significantly reduces those chances.
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You mean something that was even only mentioned in passing when Armonia was getting antsy around Eponllyn?
That's supposed to make it more acceptable, that you only plotted the takeover of foreign governments, and the puppetization of their realm "in passing"?
Quote from: Atanamir on March 23, 2013, 11:52:08 AM
Yes, but, as said, by a pure objective logic, random is, that you have not declared war on Armonia as well.
They had made, in terms of military aggression, movement and diplomacy the exact same things as the Westmoorians (till your war declaration).
The Oberndorf issue etc is a thing between Nivemus and Westmoor.
If you declared a war due to the things between you two, then this has nothing to do with Perdan or well, Armonia. Perfectly ok then.
But you Ihope you have thought this through before, cause now, if there should be peace between Perdan and Nivemus, the war between you and Westmoor will be excluded.
I don't know how many other ways I can explain it.
Tensions between Westmoor and Nivemus have been building for some time. Westmoor is probably Nivemus' biggest rival(due to diplomatic, strength, and self-engineered circumstances). We can gain something from warring with them and vice versa. Also, their nobles can just waltz around our land if they want if I hadn't declared war.
Armonia is not our rival, in fact, until recently, they have had no influence in the North or in Niveman policy period. We don't really gain anything immediate from warring them, and they don't really gain anything immediate from warring us. And they would be hard pressed to waltz around our land due to their capital being so far away.
I declared on Perdan simply because your amount of infiltrators and scouts were too much for me to ignore, so, in that war, the logic behind the pros of going to war with Westmoor and Perdan overlap.
So, you see, there is a perfectly logical reason for the my diplomatic relations... Not that it matters, because since when did diplomacy ever have to make sense(both in real life and in battlemaster)?
And as for RP logic... Perdan effectively declared war on us, and Westmoor is our big rival(please read Gloria's earlier post to confirm).
Quote from: Atanamir on March 23, 2013, 11:44:43 AM
Westmoor and Perdan are allies.
If people would do their maths better before posting every unqualified comment, then this forum would be much more interesting to participate.
Or if they just don't know, maybe just stay out of discussions. ;)
Okay, but then they can't claim to be neutral then can they?
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3 Post in a row...no bad...
Can't we just accept that Perdan and Westmoor have a reason to be at war with Nivemus and Sirion, and that the reasons from both sides are legitimate? The sooner we do that, the sooner we can focus on the damn fun and play in game, in character, instead of on the damn forums.
BTW, I'm getting bored in Nivemus prison. :P
Quote from: Gloria on March 24, 2013, 02:07:23 AM
Can't we just accept that Perdan and Westmoor have a reason to be at war with Nivemus and Sirion, and that the reasons from both sides are legitimate? The sooner we do that, the sooner we can focus on the damn fun and play in game, in character, instead of on the damn forums.
I completely agree with this. Both sides have their own reasons to pursue the war, that they consider legitimate. What I object to is the characterization, on either part, that the other side is somehow unreasoning, completely wrong and unjustified, or somehow engaging in poor RP. This is an unfortunate consequence of the fact that if everyone could be understanding and see things from the other side's perspective. Which, really, is quite fortunate. If they could, then we wouldn't have any reason to go to war. :D
Quote from: Sonya on March 24, 2013, 01:57:51 AM
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3 Post in a row...no bad...
Gotta get the post count up somehow!
I kid, I just didn't think about it before I clicked 'post'.
Quote from: Indirik on March 24, 2013, 02:52:08 AM
I completely agree with this. Both sides have their own reasons to pursue the war, that they consider legitimate. What I object to is the characterization, on either part, that the other side is somehow unreasoning, completely wrong and unjustified, or somehow engaging in poor RP. This is an unfortunate consequence of the fact that if everyone could be understanding and see things from the other side's perspective. Which, really, is quite fortunate. If they could, then we wouldn't have any reason to go to war. :D
It's basically a big old treaty web like we had back in Cybernations.
Perdan declares on Nivemus.
Sirion supports Nivemus via use of "escorting".
Westmoor and Armonia do the same, end up in the biggest battle on the continent (and BM iirc).
Nivemus declares war on the two of them for joining battle.
And so on. It's completely legitimate and just following the treaties, really. Though that said Sirion hasn't officially declared war on Westmoor (yet) but they're partaking in the looting, so you might as well add them into things too. :P
Edit: Oh. I remember now what I was going to ask. What was the issue with the Warhawk family and the fact they transferred a Sirionite region to Westmoor before rage-deleting all their toons?
Quote from: Ravier on March 26, 2013, 04:35:44 PM
It's basically a big old treaty web like we had back in Cybernations.
Indeed, it is. Quite easy to follow, so long as you're not looking to find some insignificant little niggle on which to badmouth some realms.
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Edit: Oh. I remember now what I was going to ask. What was the issue with the Warhawk family and the fact they transferred a Sirionite region to Westmoor before rage-deleting all their toons?
I really don't know, and neither did any of the other players I talked to. This same guy also moved an Armmonian region to Caligus (so I hear, don't know which one), and a region from Minas Leon to Coria. Typical griefer crap.
Quote from: Ravier on March 26, 2013, 04:35:44 PM
Edit: Oh. I remember now what I was going to ask. What was the issue with the Warhawk family and the fact they transferred a Sirionite region to Westmoor before rage-deleting all their toons?
I think that would make Sirion declare war on Westmoor soon enough. Is that what Westmoor want? ::)
No, but that is probably what you want.
Quote from: Ravier on March 26, 2013, 04:35:44 PM
Edit: Oh. I remember now what I was going to ask. What was the issue with the Warhawk family and the fact they transferred a Sirionite region to Westmoor before rage-deleting all their toons?
Well according to what I've heard from T-Strike, his account got hacked apparently. T-Strike heard it from Silverfire so if you want to know what happened in details, you will have to ask Silverfire.
Quote from: Zaki on March 27, 2013, 01:42:22 AM
Well according to what I've heard from T-Strike, his account got hacked apparently. T-Strike heard it from Silverfire so if you want to know what happened in details, you will have to ask Silverfire.
OMG, not those hackers again. To think we already have a severe cases of multi cheaters :o
Quote from: Ketchum on March 27, 2013, 12:58:14 AM
I think that would make Sirion declare war on Westmoor soon enough. Is that what Westmoor want? ::)
Stop being an ass. Apart from the fact that I can't access my characters at the moment due to my donation not being applied correctly, I can't exactly get into the region to give it away or anything, can I? If I could, I would. But I'm hardly going to risk my character's neck wandering through enemy territory despite his noble intention.
Quote from: Ravier on March 27, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
Apart from the fact that I can't access my characters at the moment due to my donation not being applied correctly, I can't exactly get into the region to give it away or anything, can I?
You can't give it away anyway. You're not the ruler of Westmoor.
Are are you...? ???
Quote from: Ravier on March 27, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
Stop being an ass. Apart from the fact that I can't access my characters at the moment due to my donation not being applied correctly, I can't exactly get into the region to give it away or anything, can I? If I could, I would. But I'm hardly going to risk my character's neck wandering through enemy territory despite his noble intention.
What region are you talking about? There was only an Armonian region give to Caligus.
Nothing between Westmoor and Sirion...
Quote from: Atanamir on March 27, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
What region are you talking about? There was only an Armonian region give to Caligus.
Nothing between Westmoor and Sirion...
Did you miss the report? The player gave Rollbar to Westmoor before deleting this account. But Rollbar has revolted and has returned to Sirion.
Quote from: Atanamir on March 27, 2013, 05:54:56 PM
What region are you talking about? There was only an Armonian region give to Caligus.
Nothing between Westmoor and Sirion...
Region Leaves Realm (1 day, 18 hours ago)
message to all nobles of Sirion
Simba Warhawk has changed the allegiance of Rollbar to the duchy of the Western Moors, a part of the realm of Westmoor. He and his knights and their units have left your realm.
[protest options]
Realm Report for Sirion (11 hours, 50 minutes ago)
message to all nobles of Sirion
Rollbar
The local population hates our realm.
The peasants of Rollbar have revolted against their old government, the realm of Westmoor. They have vowed loyalty to your realm instead.
The region joins the duchy of Parm.
The region now needs a lord.It auto fixed itself in 30hrs.
Thought as much to be honest. Couldn't appoint a Lord either if I wanted to provoke things a bit. :P
Quote from: Zaki on March 27, 2013, 05:56:28 PM
Did you miss the report? The player gave Rollbar to Westmoor before deleting this account. But Rollbar has revolted and has returned to Sirion.
Totally missed this one! :D
Quote from: Ravier on March 27, 2013, 04:07:21 PM
Stop being an ass. Apart from the fact that I can't access my characters at the moment due to my donation not being applied correctly, I can't exactly get into the region to give it away or anything, can I? If I could, I would. But I'm hardly going to risk my character's neck wandering through enemy territory despite his noble intention.
I am sorry if my statement offend you in any way. Likewise I never know that he was hacked until someone brought it up :-[
To be honest, Nivemus will lose Oberndorf region due to that recent DNS, ISP stuff. As General, I order refit like 2-3 days ago when that stuff happened. Until now more of us are still refit or not able to login and were caught by Perdan/Westmoor. Have to play through bugs/problems still :P
Quote from: Ketchum on March 28, 2013, 12:48:52 AM
I am sorry if my statement offend you in any way. Likewise I never know that he was hacked until someone brought it up :-[
To be honest, Nivemus will lose Oberndorf region due to that recent DNS, ISP stuff. As General, I order refit like 2-3 days ago when that stuff happened. Until now more of us are still refit or not able to login and were caught by Perdan/Westmoor. Have to play through bugs/problems still :P
Ah I was waiting who would be the first to blame the dns stuff for losing.
You would have lost Oberndorf also without DNS now, and Perdan's new offensive would have killed of hunted back your army as well.
Just look at the CS numbers. ;)
Please, don't go to this low level.
Instead, try to fight DNS.
For example, I messaged all my nobles, which had an email visible on their family page and explained them how to get back on the game. At least for some it worked.
Quote from: Atanamir on March 28, 2013, 08:25:06 AM
Ah I was waiting who would be the first to blame the dns stuff for losing.
You would have lost Oberndorf also without DNS now, and Perdan's new offensive would have killed of hunted back your army as well.
Just look at the CS numbers. ;)
Please, don't go to this low level.
Instead, try to fight DNS.
For example, I messaged all my nobles, which had an email visible on their family page and explained them how to get back on the game. At least for some it worked.
Well. If I have to go to so much efforts and I did not intend to win Battlemaster either. Battlemaster is 15 minutes game seriously, you want to win? Fine, everyone preference, just go ahead. I deserve to be on losing side for not working together OOC and IRC, email personally 8)
Nah, I not looking at CS number. The only thing I looked back are the numerous tactical mistakes we made earlier. No points to regret now.
1) When we should attack Bruck and we should not sit and did nothing, outmatched in CS at Gadlock with Perdan/Westmoor way earlier.
2) We should not refit and combine all the whole armies of Nivemus, Sirion and make our stand at any region other than Oberndorf
Hold on a second, why I talking strategy here? Nah, those pasts, so is fine :o
I cannot login at home. My ISP does not refresh regular it seems. Open DNS is my paranoid that I could do better without, so well. Enough said ;)
Just to let you know. I have some Real Life friendship with my other character enemy biggest realm on that world and I know they cannot login Battlemaster. My other characters on other world are not attacking their capital even though their realm is the biggest realm on that world. And we have the chance to kill their realm for good, since they cannot hold court, raise militia, etc. Whether it is good gamesmanship here or not, I not complaining either. Just an example for you to know that sometime we are taking Battlemaster too seriously on forum. Why we all cannot be friend for once and maybe off with my character Brock's head since you like Pedrera region so much? 8)
Quote from: Ketchum on March 28, 2013, 09:38:46 AM
Well. If I have to go to so much efforts and I did not intend to win Battlemaster either. Battlemaster is 15 minutes game seriously, you want to win? Fine, everyone preference, just go ahead. I deserve to be on losing side for not working together OOC and IRC, email personally 8)
FYI, it's not about winning Battlemaster, but making sure that people who have achieved things do not lose them and be able to play their game.
I gladly spend more than 15 minutes and write some quick emails out (was not more than 5 minutes all in all) so that people can play again due to this dns problem.
It's not about using OOC tools to get them to do cetrain moves or etc, but about giving the ability to play again - but interesting what comes first on
your mind.
Battlemaster should be played like with your friends, so
that's how I play - I
help my friends to play, if they experience a technical problem.
If you think helping your friends is "so much effort", then I feel sorry for your friends.
Quote from: Atanamir on March 28, 2013, 10:08:37 AM
FYI, it's not about winning Battlemaster, but making sure that people who have achieved things do not lose them and be able to play their game.
I gladly spend more than 15 minutes and write some quick emails out (was not more than 5 minutes all in all) so that people can play again due to this dns problem.
It's not about using OOC tools to get them to do cetrain moves or etc, but about giving the ability to play again - but interesting what comes first on your mind.
Battlemaster should be played like with your friends, so that's how I play - I help my friends to play, if they experience a technical problem.
If you think helping your friends is "so much effort", then I feel sorry for your friends.
You may or may not know this. Some people cannot access even though using DNS(are we going to penalize anyone who cannot login? ??? ), some people do not put their own emails(Remember public setting and private), some people do not like unknown people to email them(consider spam), some people do not trust open DNS solution suggested and many more.
I tired of explaining anymore to the pro-Westmoor and pro-Perdan. I have my own working life, incidentally I only able access Battlemaster from my office. So here my goodbye. No more pieces from me on this thread. The part of me asking be your friend, I already offer my olive branch of peace on forum.
Nevermind, you have your own opinion and I have mine. Let agree to disagree ;)
Quote from: Ketchum on March 28, 2013, 10:20:45 AM
I tired of explaining anymore to the pro-Westmoor and pro-Perdan. I have my own working life, incidentally I only able access Battlemaster from my office. So here my goodbye. No more pieces from me on this thread. The part of me asking be your friend, I already offer my olive branch of peace on forum.
I never started a war with you here.
I am on the forum as player, please learn to separate IC from OOC.
And in Perdan as well we have about 50% people who were or still are affected, that's why there is no point in saying "I lose" or "you lose" due to the dns problems.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on February 18, 2013, 06:06:51 PM
Not every realm... just Westmoor and OI. And about OI, he can do it by himself with his army alone.
First battle in the next minutes!
EDIT: The first one!!!!
Avaldamon de Vere, Count of Beziers has been wounded by Akodo Champions (8)
Moving foward to keep my records :)
You are using my former unit name? How cute!
QuoteYou are using my former unit name? How cute!
This is your unit... and you are using my image in your avatar. ;)
Since when that Avatar is yours? I got it googling "Lion clan Samurai" and used it in my battlemaster wiki...
Looks like one image I sent to you in a package :)
So Nivemus seems fairly decimated....perhaps it's time for Nivemus to accept the surrender terms?
Death before surrender!
Quote from: Dishman on April 14, 2013, 07:31:00 PM
So Nivemus seems fairly decimated....perhaps it's time for Nivemus to accept the surrender terms?
Surrender and they all live happily ever after. Sniff, that was a dream :P
Quote from: Indirik on April 14, 2013, 09:31:04 PM
Death before surrender!
Someone really wants Nivemus dead here. ;)
I am just glad now that Perdan surrendered back then to Caligus and Ibladesh. :P
And as it seems, Perdan will have to surrender to Caligus once again.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on April 16, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
And as it seems, Perdan will have to surrender to Caligus once again.
Yeah, after Sirion has died.
Quote from: Atanamir on April 15, 2013, 08:34:12 AM
Someone really wants Nivemus dead here. ;)
I am just glad now that Perdan surrendered back then to Caligus and Ibladesh. :P
You're welcome. :D
Those were some rough times. There were a lot of people who favored fighting to the death, both than, and back when we fought against Fontan/Sirion/Ibby/Itorunt/Yssaria.
Quote from: Eduardo Almighty on April 16, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
And as it seems, Perdan will have to surrender to Caligus once again.
It's a duel till death, yes, it's a duel till death! (if Dobromir accepts :P )
I would enjoy a duel till death, but in this case, it's better to bring more people to war instead of solve it one vs one. I doubt Jor would accept a duel till death with Erik. The elf still have a good amount of swordfight.
Caligus, Armonia and Eponllyn against Perdan sounds good. I hope to have time enough to restore Nivemus and burn Westmoor.
Caligus and Perdan would be evenly matched (slightly favoring Caligus). The fact that Perdan was able to turn most of Nivemus rogue while Sirion was at her defense might mean the stats aren't indicative, though.
I'd rather see Perdan/Armonia vs Caligus/Eponilyn (or switch the southerners)....that would be a balanced and interesting fight.
The southern realms distrust both Perdan and Caligus, it will be intresting to see whose side they will join.
I have wanted badly the south together against Caligur or Perdan.
But as always is my "All Alone Battle Master Ranting" of why a defeated nation follows the victor, instead of arming again and get revenge.
Bah.. Ideal does not exist on Battlemaster, since Realm Defeat = Character Massive Brainwash.
Quote from: Sonya on April 16, 2013, 08:45:46 PM
I have wanted badly the south together against Caligur or Perdan.
But as always is my "All Alone Battle Master Ranting" of why a defeated nation follows the victor, instead of arming again and get revenge.
Bah.. Ideal does not exist on Battlemaster, since Realm Defeat = Character Massive Brainwash.
Well mostly it's because Siana and Autrey had a feud dating back to Ibladesh times. If there was someone else in power Siana would have happily worked with them and probably vice versa as well.
Secondly remember that Armonia did attack Eponllyn and technically won so we were still wanting to get revenge for that :P
Erik still wants to marry one of your southern queens. Now he's a Royal despite all his many titles. Unfortunately as with Caesar and Rome, Erik would have to refuse the crown with Sirion crying that even loving him, they don't want a king. But East Continent have many Kings and Queens now... good times to be King of Kings.
I'm wondering if Perdan will survive Atanamir.
I'm afraid that is an honour Siana will quite happily pass to Autrey :P. She's sworn off men since her last fiance ditched her and she threw his ring in the lake.
QuoteShe's sworn off men since her last fiance ditched her and she threw his ring in the lake.
Erik is an elf.