The game doesn't allow you to directly transfer gold between characters (through the bank). However, it doesn't prevent you from indirectly transferring funds amongst your own characters by using a third party as a go-between. Are there OOC rules to prevent this, or is it fair game?
I don't see a problem. the third party introduces a bit of risk as they could keep the gold.
Yeah, I've wondered about this before.
I don't see the point of this restriction, imo, it just gives yet another advantage to multi-cheaters against legitimate players. Pretty much everyone can find a friend to trust with such a transfer anyways, it's just really a hassle to pass through someone to send funds around.
It's so that you don't create a second character, have them visit the bank and send your primary character 50 gold, delete the second character, and repeat the next day.
You'll drain your family, but not before your primary character has all your family wealth.
Quote from: Kwanstein on April 03, 2013, 05:33:58 AM
The game doesn't allow you to directly transfer gold between characters (through the bank). However, it doesn't prevent you from indirectly transferring funds amongst your own characters by using a third party as a go-between. Are there OOC rules to prevent this, or is it fair game?
If you have to circumvent a game mechanic it is time for you to revisit the ethics of what you are doing.
I am pretty sure this mechanic is in place to discourage people from having 2 chars in the same realm...
Quote from: Zaki on April 04, 2013, 06:48:16 AM
I am pretty sure this mechanic is in place to discourage people from having 2 chars in the same realm...
If only we could be so lucky to have such a thing discouraged.
Quote from: ^ban^ on April 04, 2013, 06:08:58 AM
If you have to circumvent a game mechanic it is time for you to revisit the ethics of what you are doing.
I am revisiting the ethics.
If the intention of this restriction is indeed solely to prevent people from abusing their starting gold allowances then the only situation in which a moral dilemma would arise is that in which starting gold allowances are involved. A situation in which that precondition is not met therefore poses no moral quandary and can be done with a clear conscience.
Quote from: ZakiI am pretty sure this mechanic is in place to discourage people from having 2 chars in the same realm...
Doubtful, as it would be easy and more effective to simply disallow that outright. But, if it is the case, then the moral dilemma posed has to do with having multiple characters in the same realm, rather than transferring gold between them.
The moral dilemma arises when a mechanic made specifically for you not to be able to do something, and you decide to just circumvent the mechanic so the mechanic does not affect you. The mechanic was made for many reasons, but it is clear of the obvious, general reason which is to prevent you from giving your other characters gold.
The effect of the restriction is that it doesn't allow you to transfer gold directly. However, it doesn't disallow you from transferring indirectly, so, without further deliberation, there is no reason to assume that you are meant to be forbidden from transferring indirectly. Further deliberation has shown that the intentions of this restriction are unrelated to transferring gold indirectly, so, based on what has been said so far, it would appear as though there is nothing wrong with transferring gold indirectly.
Quote from: Kwanstein on April 04, 2013, 07:51:38 AM
However, it doesn't disallow you from transferring indirectly,
Uh... that's because disallowing that would just disallow transferring gold period. To anyone from anyone.
Quote from: Perth on April 04, 2013, 08:23:17 AM
Uh... that's because disallowing that would just disallow transferring gold period. To anyone from anyone.
Hence why it required further deliberation.
Quote from: Kwanstein on April 04, 2013, 08:31:51 AM
Hence why it required further deliberation.
I think the real answer here is: just don't play two characters in the same realm. It's better that way. Better for the game. More fun for you and more fun for others.
I think in a vast majority of cases, you shouldn't be doing this even through third parties.
However, I've done this myself as part of a RP arc which I was running. My character on Dwilight transferred around 4-5k gold to his "son" through multiple third parties, such that within a day of creating my character in the new realm (after pausing the first one), my character was most likely the richest noble in Luria, while also having been in the realm less than a day. The gold along with other in-game items, and RP'ed items was termed as the "inheritance" for my new character from the old one. Some of the characters that my first character sent gold to were specifically asked to forward the gold to the new character, while others left that open as a possibility, but also made it as more of a bribe.
What ended up happening was that not all of the gold reached its intended source. Some was held back by the characters that received it, and others never even mentioned the gold to the new character. (Who had no RP reason to even know they had it.)
Did I consider this wrong at all at the time? Nope. It was part of an ongoing RP about my character and was prepped through multiple other characters who each had the opportunity to steal all or part of the gold without my new character having any clue. It turns out he received most (but not all) of the gold. However, there really wasn't any assurance of such.
Quote from: Kwanstein on April 04, 2013, 07:41:16 AM
Doubtful, as it would be easy and more effective to simply disallow that outright. But, if it is the case, then the moral dilemma posed has to do with having multiple characters in the same realm, rather than transferring gold between them.
It is allowed to have two different characters, with different personalities and independent objectives, being played by the same player and in the same realm. One could imagine a situation where one of these characters may want to transfer gold to the other, although this is quite rare.
The issue is that in many cases the characters will not be independent. One will be used solely to prop up the other, to gain two votes and hold two estates. This is discouraged. The restriction on transferring gold between your own characters is designed to make this style of play less attractive.
I see no problem with asking a third party to aid in the transfer of gold between two characters of the same family.
So far as I am aware, there is absolutely no problem with using a third party to transfer gold between two of your own characters. It is certainly not frowned upon or discouraged. The restriction exists, I've been told, to make it less convenient to use a second character as a mule just to store your gold, or to get two shares of taxes. The requirement for a third party puts a bit of uncertainty and inconvenience into what would otherwise be an instantaneous and secure transfer.
Human brain always finds a way to go around an obstacle.. Heck if people of one realm can transfer large sums of gold to another realm, you can too send it to another character by circumventing the mechanics. If you can RP it well, then you are all set! Otherwise it makes you look like a jackass.
Using third parties to transfer gold between two characters of the same family is not a circumvention of anything.
Quote from: egamma on April 03, 2013, 07:33:01 PM
It's so that you don't create a second character, have them visit the bank and send your primary character 50 gold, delete the second character, and repeat the next day.
You'll drain your family, but not before your primary character has all your family wealth.
Deleting characters takes time. And a character creation cooldown would seem like a better means of achieving this to me...
Quote from: Chénier on April 05, 2013, 02:16:28 AM
Deleting characters takes time. And a character creation cooldown would seem like a better means of achieving this to me...
Already exists.
Quote from: DamnTaffer on April 05, 2013, 10:41:59 AM
Already exists.
Then what's the point of the gold restriction? I've had rich lords constantly give out gold to everyone for infrastructure of units, but whenever I wanted me second character to had a piece of it to build RCs in his own region, I had to pass gold through someone else... It's such a gamey restriction.
Quote from: Chénier on April 05, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
Then what's the point of the gold restriction? I've had rich lords constantly give out gold to everyone for infrastructure of units, but whenever I wanted me second character to had a piece of it to build RCs in his own region, I had to pass gold through someone else... It's such a gamey restriction.
Your second character could do like every other character you are passing gold to: ask someone who is not controlled by the same player.
Quote from: vonGenf on April 05, 2013, 01:09:57 PM
Your second character could do like every other character you are passing gold to: ask someone who is not controlled by the same player.
My second character *did* do like every other character: he asked my wealthy and generous lord for some funds. Not every realm has a dozen people handing out all of their wealth for infrastructure projects, you know.