What will you do now that you have less nobles than regions? Once those 4 accounts that are locked get auto paused you are only going to have 15 nobles for 16 regions.
Its too bad Darfix is on the ass end of Dwilight. Not much excitement.
I saw the infamous Kas Mayhem headed there. He will probably secure a nice retirement region now that his work in Terran is over 8)
Good luck with that.
Yeah, that sounds like it would go over about as well as inviting in Allison Kabrinski or making Bowie Ironsides your Ruler...
Quote from: Anaris on April 06, 2013, 04:09:40 AM
Yeah, that sounds like it would go over about as well as inviting in Allison Kabrinski or making Bowie Ironsides your Ruler...
Funny you should mention that.
Does anyone in Niselur even know who Kas Mayhem is? I don't think I've ever even heard the name IC.
I think the previous ruler of the realm now known as Niselur invited Kas. So, there is one person who knows. Unless the king was banished after the rebellion.
Leo does.
I don't think anyone else does.
Heck, I only know him from here and then, not well.
But with a name like Mayhem, well, Niselur's made it back from the grave once already. Why not make it a double?
Quote from: Kwanstein on April 06, 2013, 05:03:06 AM
I think the previous ruler of the realm now known as Niselur invited Kas. So, there is one person who knows. Unless the king was banished after the rebellion.
Yes, the old King, Turin, left after the rebellion, He's down in D'Hara now.
Quote from: Indirik on April 06, 2013, 04:48:36 AM
Does anyone in Niselur even know who Kas Mayhem is? I don't think I've ever even heard the name IC.
Yes you have. They sent the elders of SA a letter saying, in effect, "hooray SA!" and then decried/slandered it a few days later when they resigned over some Terran-specific drama.
Well, hopefully this shall have the realm engaged more. Sounds like we can make good on our losses of banned nobles with actual players.
Quote from: Kwanstein on April 06, 2013, 03:56:41 AM
I saw the infamous Kas Mayhem headed there. He will probably secure a nice retirement region now that his work in Terran is over 8)
Because we all play this game so we can sit around and roleplay being retired. Sounds riveting.
Hell yeah. I can't wait to be retired IRL either ;D
Quote from: dustole on April 06, 2013, 03:38:46 AM
What will you do now that you have less nobles than regions? Once those 4 accounts that are locked get auto paused you are only going to have 15 nobles for 16 regions.
Its too bad Darfix is on the ass end of Dwilight. Not much excitement.
We have 4 nobles joining us. These will replace the multies that were locked. It's not much, but it is the beginning, especially since the people that are coming are greatly better players than what that multi was.
Niselur's placement on the map is very marginal in the current circumstances of Dwilight. Leopold has some long term plans to make Niselur an interesting place, however, a lot of hard work is necessary first, which means a larger group of dedicated players needs to be established first.
I will also use this thread to invite people to come and play in Niselur. Leopold is trying hard to provide some fun. This include occasional roleplay series, standard realm debates and asks for input from others in regards to the political position. It is fun for me and I hope others like it, too. Apart form that, Niselur can offer some lighting-fast lordship for those who want to come and quite large chunks of gold. We are pretty rich. Opportunities to advance in hierarchy are there as well. We have no diplomats at all, and with our two armies and relatively little interest in command positions, you can become a Marshal or a Vice rather quickly. :)
Quote from: Indirik on April 06, 2013, 04:48:36 AM
Does anyone in Niselur even know who Kas Mayhem is? I don't think I've ever even heard the name IC.
Leopold had some interaction with him. He does seem like an unusual fella. ;) He seems totally focused on Terran though, so I don't expect much trouble for him in the way that it can be harmful to Leopold's rule. I do hope he can create
anything with his arrival, for even chaotic interactions are better than no interactions at all.
'struth!
Quote from: Perth on April 06, 2013, 07:56:43 AM
Because we all play this game so we can sit around and roleplay being retired. Sounds riveting.
Lol best thing I have ever read on BM , hilarious! ;D
Quote from: Arrakis on April 06, 2013, 03:14:03 PM
Leopold had some interaction with him. He does seem like an unusual fella. ;) He seems totally focused on Terran though, so I don't expect much trouble for him in the way that it can be harmful to Leopold's rule. I do hope he can create anything with his arrival, for even chaotic interactions are better than no interactions at all.
Just beware of Zuma whenever Kas is around. He's got a pretty solid track record getting them to attack his own realm.
Quote from: Vellos on April 06, 2013, 06:07:51 PM
Just beware of Zuma whenever Kas is around. He's got a pretty solid track record getting them to attack his own realm.
Send him to Asylon!
He already came through Asylon and was heading to retire in Excitular...
Quote from: Anaris on April 06, 2013, 04:09:40 AM
Yeah, that sounds like it would go over about as well as inviting in Allison Kabrinski or making Bowie Ironsides your Ruler...
I think you mean Imperator Ironsides. :P
It seems like any knights in Dwilight have plenty of opportunities for rising up. Swordfell still needs a few lord positions, too.
The posts above surely doesn't make Niselur attractive but, I am going anyway.
It would be funny. Maybe. If it is not, I can always try to emigrate again :)
(Eh, i have no idea what happen but only half of what I wrote was posted).
Quote from: dustole on April 06, 2013, 03:38:46 AM
What will you do now that you have less nobles than regions? Once those 4 accounts that are locked get auto paused you are only going to have 15 nobles for 16 regions.
Its too bad Darfix is on the ass end of Dwilight. Not much excitement.
Stuff like this was a great factor for D'Hara's move to a republic... Every rebellion leads to its score of exiles, exiles which, though a more peaceful transition, likely would have remained productive members of the realm.
Dhara also tends to collect a certain type of nobles though.
In other news, Fulco has left Luria Nova and joined Niselur ;)
Quote from: Chénier on April 08, 2013, 12:53:54 PM
Stuff like this was a great factor for D'Hara's move to a republic... Every rebellion leads to its score of exiles, exiles which, though a more peaceful transition, likely would have remained productive members of the realm.
Except that Niselur basically just had a rebellion and still remains a theocracy in most cases. I think our former King though has actually settled in D'Hara.
Quote from: Daimall on April 08, 2013, 08:50:43 PM
Except that Niselur basically just had a rebellion and still remains a theocracy in most cases. I think our former King though has actually settled in D'Hara.
D'Hara is all the rage among exiled kings. We have Bipel of LV and Turin of Iashalur.
Kicked out of your kingdom by upstart nobles? Come stay in D'Hara, where the sun is bright, the beaches beautiful, and the Bloodmoon potent. Oh, and pirates.
Quote from: Daimall on April 08, 2013, 08:50:43 PM
Except that Niselur basically just had a rebellion and still remains a theocracy in most cases. I think our former King though has actually settled in D'Hara.
D'Hara remained a monarchy after the first rebellion too. But 1 rebellion + 1 secession was enough civil war...
Quote from: Tandaros on April 08, 2013, 11:12:10 PM
D'Hara is all the rage among exiled kings. We have Bipel of LV and Turin of Iashalur.
Kicked out of your kingdom by upstart nobles? Come stay in D'Hara, where the sun is bright, the beaches beautiful, and the Bloodmoon potent. Oh, and pirates.
D'hara is the Island of Misfit Nobles!
Interesting how much threads end up being about Dhara.
Quote from: D`Este on April 09, 2013, 11:56:28 AM
Interesting how much threads end up being about Dhara.
It's where all the cool people go, like Iashalur's/Niselur's former ruler. :)
Quote from: D`Este on April 09, 2013, 11:56:28 AM
Interesting how much threads end up being about Dhara.
Yeah....
Anyway, what's Niselur up to? Please start a schism. Pretty please. Get that north some action! ;)
Forums are not usually the best place to announce course someone will undertake, if you catch my drift. However, I've worked hard to have Leopold reclaim his throne and I don't feel like letting it all die away by doing nothing and making it stale again. With someone such as Leopold on the throne, who has so far proven to be an inspirational leader and a political animal, I predict and hope that Niselur will become a major powerhouse in the years that are to come. We certainly have lands wealthy enough to make that happen and the group of nobles that will make the backbone of the realm has already been formed.
I guess I picked a bad time to completely lose interest, huh. That rebellion would have been pretty cool. Anyone remember who was appointed Duke of Gaston after Eoghan auto-paused/got deleted? How did the rebellion go down? Seems like a lot has happened since I stopped playing.
The rebellion succeeded, kicking Turin out of the realm and installing Leopold as the ruler.
Quote from: OFaolain on April 17, 2013, 09:42:42 AM
Seems like a lot has happened since I stopped playing.
...which is a reason you should consider coming back. ;)
Quote from: Arrakis on April 17, 2013, 05:21:02 PM
...which is a reason you should consider coming back. ;)
Yeah I think I need to make a new account though; accounts get deleted after two months of absolute inactivity, right?
Try logging in; if your account is still there, you'll be able to get into it.
Also, I think it's three months, plus you get an email notification before it happens.
Well I checked the e-mail (it's an old account I never use nowadays) and I didn't see an e-mail, but it could have been shoved into the spam folder and auto-deleted or something. It's not letting me reset my password when I provide my real name so I guess it must be gone. It's been way longer than three months too (I think it's closer to eight) so I think I should be pretty safe to start a new account.
Come join Arcaea on FEI. Eoghan can join his namesake there. ;)
Quote from: Velax on April 17, 2013, 08:36:14 PM
Come join Arcaea on FEI. Eoghan can join his namesake there. ;)
I'm afraid I don't follow, but maybe that's because I've never played on FEI?
Well, when I joined Iashalur back in the day, Qadan was the Duke of Gaston. He however, officially took sides with Turin and got kicked out of the the Dukedom of Gaston and Gaston proper. However, with his appointment to Duke of Samhain and proper and being restored to being Treasurer of the Realm again, you wouldn't of thought that he had joined the losing side.
You must have joined after I vanished then. Gah, that whole rebellion mess really makes me wish I had been playing at the time. At any rate, I look forward to my new character someday meeting yours. (It may be a while though, because I've started on the other end of the continent!) :)
That is a disappointment :'(
Quote from: Arrakis on April 17, 2013, 11:03:36 PM
That is a disappointment :'(
I'd play in Niselur but it'd be hard for me to separate Kenneth from Eoghan, and Eoghan was fiercely loyal to Turin. Plus I want to try playing somewhere new, and who knows, I might find my way back to the northwest eventually. :)
Quote from: OFaolain on April 17, 2013, 08:45:22 PM
I'm afraid I don't follow, but maybe that's because I've never played on FEI?
I believe Velax's actual name is Eoghan.
Oh, haha. Wow, how cool is that. I think I had someone message me OOC in game once to tell me that their name was Eoghan as well, but I think it was someone else.
Some news from Niselur in case it wasn't properly PR'ed IC. Libero Empire has become the vassal state of Niselur and a loyal subject of King Leopold. For a yearly tribute of 1350 gold Niselur is bound to protect the Liberans from foreign aggression. Adding to that are the news that we have now taken both Crotona and K'Dira and have thus become 4th ranked realm in all of Dwilight by number of regions we own. Sadly, many of those are still empty and nobles are still a commodity most sought after. Also, from K'Dira we are eerily exchanging glances with FangFanf and his minions as they sit in Corridor of Torment.
Quote from: Arrakis on May 17, 2013, 05:05:14 PM
Some news from Niselur in case it wasn't properly PR'ed IC. Libero Empire has become the vassal state of Niselur and a loyal subject of King Leopold. For a yearly tribute of 1350 gold Niselur is bound to protect the Liberans from foreign aggression. Adding to that are the news that we have now taken both Crotona and K'Dira and have thus become 4th ranked realm in all of Dwilight by number of regions we own. Sadly, many of those are still empty and nobles are still a commodity most sought after. Also, from K'Dira we are eerily exchanging glances with FangFanf and his minions as they sit in Corridor of Torment.
Only foreign aggression that LE will ever have to worry about is probably Morek...
Quote from: Zaki on May 17, 2013, 07:02:18 PM
Only foreign aggression that LE will ever have to worry about is probably Morek...
Well at least we shall repurpose the Libero Empire's gold for something more useful!
Quote from: Arrakis on May 17, 2013, 05:05:14 PM
Some news from Niselur in case it wasn't properly PR'ed IC. Libero Empire has become the vassal state of Niselur and a loyal subject of King Leopold. For a yearly tribute of 1350 gold Niselur is bound to protect the Liberans from foreign aggression. Adding to that are the news that we have now taken both Crotona and K'Dira and have thus become 4th ranked realm in all of Dwilight by number of regions we own. Sadly, many of those are still empty and nobles are still a commodity most sought after. Also, from K'Dira we are eerily exchanging glances with FangFanf and his minions as they sit in Corridor of Torment.
Now then.
Use your newfound wealth, and JOIN THE CRUSADE!
Quote from: OFaolain on April 18, 2013, 02:35:21 AM
Oh, haha. Wow, how cool is that. I think I had someone message me OOC in game once to tell me that their name was Eoghan as well, but I think it was someone else.
Hah, no, that was me. Probably messaged you on a different character, though.
Quote from: Vellos on May 17, 2013, 08:51:00 PM
Now then.
Use your newfound wealth, and JOIN THE CRUSADE!
Yes! The Crusade will need it to fend off Kale's 600 gold/week income! :P
Quote from: Perth on May 20, 2013, 12:43:00 AM
Yes! The Crusade will need it to fend off Kale's 600 gold/week income! :P
Better than Terran's.
Quote from: Vellos on May 20, 2013, 07:58:50 AM
Better than Terran's.
Oh, hush. It's my turn to play the sore loser!
Well, we still haven't received the gold so....
Quote from: Arrakis on May 17, 2013, 05:05:14 PM
Also, from K'Dira we are eerily exchanging glances with FangFanf and his minions as they sit in Corridor of Torment.
Oh yeah I was wondering what happened with that. They started marching north then just disappeared.
Quote from: pcw27 on May 20, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Oh yeah I was wondering what happened with that. They started marching north then just disappeared.
They kind of just hanged around at Itaufield from what I remembered, I guess Aslyon's request for help was more important then continuing the mach up north.
Now they are just hanging around in the Corridor of Torment. Tormenting and annihilating monsters that spawn there.
Is this public information IC or do I have to pretend I don't know this? I'm probably going to try and negotiate with the Zuma some time soon and I'd like to find out what's going on there.
Quote from: pcw27 on May 20, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
Is this public information IC or do I have to pretend I don't know this? I'm probably going to try and negotiate with the Zuma some time soon and I'd like to find out what's going on there.
People in Niselur knows about it, but I don't think anybody has bothered to inform anybody else outside realm as of yet since they haven't moved into any de facto regions of Niselur.
Of course Asylon knows of it aswell.
Quote from: pcw27 on May 20, 2013, 11:29:35 PM
Is this public information IC or do I have to pretend I don't know this? I'm probably going to try and negotiate with the Zuma some time soon and I'd like to find out what's going on there.
If you didn't get the information IG, or read it on the wiki, its not public. IG and the wiki are the only two places you can use info from, IG.
Gotcha. Sure hope someone blurts it out cause I'd love to know more.
In other news, our infallible Treasurer has called in the taxes early... again. You would think we would have gotten the gold we needed two days ago. ;D
In other news in Niselur:
Young knight charges at monsters alone, losing most of his men and killing only one monster sending the rest of the army before its gathered rushing to defend him:
Roleplaying reason:
Knight:"I shouldn't have gone drinking with my men before reading my messages, and charged drunkenly at the monsters."
Response:
King:"Someone promote this man to lord!"
The moral of the story is drunken monster hunting will get you places in Niselur. ;D
Quote from: Frostwood on June 05, 2013, 11:28:31 PM
In other news in Niselur:
Young knight charges at monsters alone, losing most of his men and killing only one monster sending the rest of the army before its gathered rushing to defend him:
Roleplaying reason:
Knight:"I shouldn't have gone drinking with my men before reading my messages, and charged drunkenly at the monsters."
Response:
King:"Someone promote this man to lord!"
The moral of the story is drunken monster hunting will get you places in Niselur. ;D
I've always had the difficulty of taking my characters too seriously. Now, if he did that on purpose, that would indeed be a nice change of pace.
Cool tale
How come *everyone* in Niselur isn't a lord? You have more regions than nobles.
Quote from: Frostwood on June 05, 2013, 11:28:31 PM
In other news in Niselur:
Young knight charges at monsters alone, losing most of his men and killing only one monster sending the rest of the army before its gathered rushing to defend him:
Roleplaying reason:
Knight:"I shouldn't have gone drinking with my men before reading my messages, and charged drunkenly at the monsters."
Response:
King:"Someone promote this man to lord!"
The moral of the story is drunken monster hunting will get you places in Niselur. ;D
Wow, i should have joined Niselur when Leopold offered!
Quote from: Indirik on June 06, 2013, 02:16:23 AM
How come *everyone* in Niselur isn't a lord? You have more regions than nobles.
Not enough prestige for the knights. I guess some lords hunt the monsters too aggressively for the others get to them.
Yeah, perhaps it's due time we start hunting bigger game.
War!
After drunken monster hunting, comes the drunken party... which my character did promise... but we have seemed to have combined it with Lightbringer Exum's promotion, and somehow Count Shikon master of tight armor has somehow gotten ale all over himself in front of the King.
Oh, and politics, lots of politics.
Quote from: Arrakis on June 06, 2013, 09:54:46 AM
Yeah, perhaps it's due time we start hunting bigger game.
And we'll all sit back and laugh when your regions are ripped to shreds by monsters the moment you send your armies beyond your borders, leaving Niselur even MORE critically understaffed.
We're rather well prepared for eliminating the monsters, with or without nobles. It is not like we have serious monster issues at all. In fact, our nobles are fighting who is gonna be the first one to strike at them. If the army is abroad there are many solution to this, as we, resilient northerners, have learned how to survive in harsh circumstances. ;)
FangFang will help with our monsters hunting situation, as he has been.
Hopefully Niselur has to deal with some angry Theocracies since they snubbed the church and the crusade. Will we see Leopold dethroned?
More likely we will just have perpetual peace as usual up here. :)
Quote from: dustole on June 09, 2013, 08:06:36 PM
Will we see Leopold dethroned?
You're certainly going to have to fight for it.
Quote from: Arrakis on June 09, 2013, 11:58:07 PM
You're certainly going to have to fight for it.
Which would imply that's something that the elders are interested in.
Quote from: dustole on June 09, 2013, 08:06:36 PM
Hopefully Niselur has to deal with some angry Theocracies since they snubbed the church and the crusade. Will we see Leopold dethroned?
Leopold's got solid support of his nobles-probably due to 'too much peace' and his style of leadership which tries to engage the realm. My other character is in Belueterra, and it took
days to get a message from the leadership, and I have not seen the ruler engage the realm as much.
In contrast, my character received a message on the first day from the King, and we get regular updates on the situation+rp events.
If we do go down, we won't go down in boredom, but fighting as warriors.
Yeah, Niselur sounds like a cool realm, the leader actively tries to recruit, I was deciding whether to choose barca or niselur but barca won out.
Well, we are certainly trying to make Niselur stand out from the crowd. The newish players have brought in a lot of dynamics and, along with constant political debates, we have series of roleplay events (which is something that I haven't seen that often). Plus, there is a ton of cultural background and a theme of the realm that we're trying to follow whenever we can. There is a momentum going on, and I, as a player, am looking on how to capitalize on this by using it to attract even more people. This is all intertwined with some fascinating IC events and shortly things should start happening. For better or for worse. As Frostwood said, if we're going to go down it will be in the blaze of glory, although it is my modest opinion that Leopold is way ahead of the Elders at this point. We'll see what happens.
Asylon used to be a backwater and through our independence and daring'do we have grown very strong. Players like a bit of challenge and danger and what you are doing in Niselur is on the right track for building an interesting realm. Stand up and be who you are as a people and never fear challenges. Our enemies said Asylon would be dead a long time ago. How wrong they were and yet people still fear these people? They have said the same about Niselur, the backwater theocracy, the sleeping giant awaken!
Nobles and realms in BM are a lot like Viking war parties. Where there is war and discord, the vikings will find their way there.
A way of saying, I'm sure the noble-count of Niselur will rise if things get interesting. The same holds true for most realms.
Quote from: Arrakis on June 10, 2013, 08:01:13 PM
Well, we are certainly trying to make Niselur stand out from the crowd. The newish players have brought in a lot of dynamics and, along with constant political debates, we have series of roleplay events (which is something that I haven't seen that often). Plus, there is a ton of cultural background and a theme of the realm that we're trying to follow whenever we can. There is a momentum going on, and I, as a player, am looking on how to capitalize on this by using it to attract even more people. This is all intertwined with some fascinating IC events and shortly things should start happening. For better or for worse. As Frostwood said, if we're going to go down it will be in the blaze of glory, although it is my modest opinion that Leopold is way ahead of the Elders at this point. We'll see what happens.
I got the idea from Bowie Ironsides-I looked at his family page, and I was like "you can do that??", then I saw monsters moving away from Niselur and I decided to roleplay why they were running away and then other people seemed to be responding and it made simple monster hunting a lot more fun(for me at least).
We weren't simply fighting monsters anymore, but fighting against frog-like monsters who followed the
darkstars who surrounded Sir Twinspire and wounded special forces commander Count Kenwood, joined by the man in tight armor with a "Doomed Arrow of Doom" called Count Shikon and the eloquent drunk 'old' and fat man Sir Rannekk.
Constant communication and inclusiveness with constant little roleplays make or break having a good time, in Asylon we have two nobles on a side quest in Itau looking for artifacts in some maze and they have been roleplaying this for several months now and instead if us just silently reading them we like to send a message to encourage more and to acknowledge that we read them. If everyone posts a small rp'd sentence or short couple of sentence rp everyday it makes a world of difference than just silence and logging in to move your troops or check your tax. There is so many ways to build a realm and create roleplay and conflict you just have to be willing to take risks and involve everyone down to the newest nobles, get them on councils, get the new guy who us willing to be your top diplomat , get the guys into war plotting the next one, once everyone feels that they have power to steer the realm it becomes less about the elders steering the realm and more about a giant chaotic boat with everyone basically steering to some vague goal without it being a constant tweaking by the king or elders of the realm.
The role of a ruler in this game is to say ' we want that mountain over there! Now all of you figure out how we are going to get it' and if you have a realm that allows everyone to come up with ideas and one guy says ' hey i got an idea' and enough people follow it then who cares if its good or bad, its fun to see where ideas go.
Well, I am just glad it isn't just me that is RPing into the void of Niselur anymore at least.
I really should have joined Niselur. Phantaria is a fairly quiet/boring realm. Grand Prince Kale and i seem to be the only constantly vocal nobles.
Weeks go by with just silence or players just contributing the bare minimum.
:'(
Good job up there though, i'll try to RP some life into my realm. It's refreshing to see realms like Asylon and Niselur embrace lower level nobles. Good job.
Quote from: Telamon on June 11, 2013, 06:50:52 AM
I really should have joined Niselur. Phantaria is a fairly quiet/boring realm. Grand Prince Kale and i seem to be the only constantly vocal nobles.
Weeks go by with just silence or players just contributing the bare minimum.
:'(
It's true. Lot of quiet guys. I try to keep things fresh, any ideas/help would be great.
We are getting a bunch of new nobles lately, but none of them seem all that talkative. :(
And nobody wants to pick up estates I made for them in Paisland, despite it offering an income almost double of what a bunch of the knights in a lot of regions make. :(
Barca is also booming :-*
Quote from: Telamon on June 11, 2013, 06:50:52 AM
I really should have joined Niselur.
There's time to change that. :)
Quote from: Chénier on June 11, 2013, 12:53:42 PM
And nobody wants to pick up estates I made for them in Paisland, despite it offering an income almost double of what a bunch of the knights in a lot of regions make. :(
Take my knight! I want the money! :)
Quote from: Chénier on June 11, 2013, 12:53:42 PM
We are getting a bunch of new nobles lately, but none of them seem all that talkative. :(
And nobody wants to pick up estates I made for them in Paisland, despite it offering an income almost double of what a bunch of the knights in a lot of regions make. :(
Do you offer it to them and welcome them?
Quote from: Wolfang on June 12, 2013, 12:38:15 AM
Do you offer it to them and welcome them?
Yes, every single one. Privately. And I don't even think any of them answered me directly. I also have publicized how my free estates generate much more than what most knights get to the realm on multiple occasions.
If our nobles were more active and better organized, D'Hara would really be a significant power by now... But activity isn't great and most of the nobles are focused on the low-income regions, while the high-income regions suffer from lack of tax efficiency.
Wow that's quite strange. I guess things work different where I am.
Quote from: Wolfang on June 12, 2013, 12:57:52 AM
Wow that's quite strange. I guess things work different where I am.
I find it extremely hard to motivate myself to write to newcomers. I've tried all kinds of styles, from the less formal to more formal, from the completely IC to having OOC letters attached, and I rarely ever get a response from anyone, no matter how I do it, even if it's done really quickly after they join the realm. Meanwhile, others seem to attract them like magnets and turn all of the newbs into loyal henchmen within a day...
Well when I joined around 11 days ago, what I wanted was security for I did not know if I was going to even be offered an estate, so I accepted the first proposal.
I think most people do if they are real noobs.
Quote from: Chénier on June 12, 2013, 01:03:24 AM
I find it extremely hard to motivate myself to write to newcomers. I've tried all kinds of styles, from the less formal to more formal, from the completely IC to having OOC letters attached, and I rarely ever get a response from anyone, no matter how I do it, even if it's done really quickly after they join the realm. Meanwhile, others seem to attract them like magnets and turn all of the newbs into loyal henchmen within a day...
Do you offer them land, titles, and gold?
Quote from: Arundel on June 12, 2013, 01:35:28 AM
Do you offer them land, titles, and gold?
I usually just offer my body. It works pretty well.
Offer them GLORY, yarrr.
Quote from: Vellos on June 12, 2013, 02:12:32 AM
I usually just offer my body. It works pretty well.
Could've solved the Phantarian-Terran conflict with one letter.
Quote from: Perth on June 12, 2013, 03:07:13 AM
Could've solved the Phantarian-Terran conflict with one letter.
"Dear Kale,
After all these years, I know what you really want.
Love,
-Hireshy
Quote from: Vellos on June 12, 2013, 01:06:34 PM
"Dear Kale,
After all these years, I know what you really want.
Love,
-Hireshy
:-*
In other news, we are now been proclaimed a Kingdom by our King.
Hooray! We need more Kingdoms!
Monarchy is the only way to be! Free and independent answering only to king and council.
So did government-type changes come into play, or will Nisular have to pull what Terran did to change it?
Quote from: Dishman on June 15, 2013, 12:20:15 AM
So did government-type changes come into play, or will Nisular have to pull what Terran did to change it?
I would assume they'll have to go through the same ordeal.
King Leopold, sounds like several kings I used to have.
Go Leopold, stir up that northern !@#$! Wahoo! ;D
Quote from: Dishman on June 15, 2013, 12:20:15 AM
So did government-type changes come into play, or will Nisular have to pull what Terran did to change it?
We just changed the descriptions to Kingdom, and changed a few laws, and withdrew from the charter. Since we are not looking for a crusade, we don't need to go through the hoops to change it into a monarchy. D'Hara's monarchy-republic style seems to work, so why a not Monarchy/Theocracy for us?
I believe it was my character who suggested it, as it seemed like a strong statement, of Niselur being a independent and free nation to follow our own path, while still allowing the church in our lands. All the nobles of Niselur seemed to be for the idea of a monarchy, as Regent Mordant's claim that the laws of the land didn't apply to him, made Niselur and its nobles seem like puppets, dancing on a string to the church's hand.
A schism would unite SA against us and seal the cracks that have appeared, while simply being a kingdom with SA temples will create doubt, as there would be no reason for a crusade, and crusade called for this reason will cause the cracks to widen.
This is why I believe Vellos is trying to incite my character into forming a new religion, so that the church can re-unite the factions against Niselur, and solidify the church. If King Leopold created a church it would make it seem like he is a power-hungry king, and thus lies the trap.
I think the elders expected Niselur to go full schism, so my proposal was a counter-plan to their plans.
Destroying a theocracy should have the same result. The church built that realm and you stole it.
Quote from: dustole on June 15, 2013, 03:57:21 AM
Destroying a theocracy should have the same result. The church built that realm and you stole it.
Ahh.. but it is not as clear-cut as that and people will have doubts as your character's family is infamous backed by the infamous Vellos, or so it seems.
Mmm pretzels...
Quote from: Frostwood on June 15, 2013, 04:17:11 AM
Ahh.. but it is not as clear-cut as that...
Actually, it kinda is.
Quote from: Indirik on June 15, 2013, 04:41:37 AM
Actually, it kinda is.
How so? I don't see how this affects the study of the Bloodstars, the churches are still in Niselur. The charter is just some artificial construct. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Well let's see how the matters turn out with the issues of religion in Niselur. I've heard there's a new chick in town...
Just because the King of Niselur has thrown off direct church control doesn't mean that the nobles there are all jumping for converting to another religion, just saying. Most I think still have the belief of the Bloodstars.
Daimall,
Certainly, that is true. It's all about what catches the fancy. It's going to be hard work with no guarantee of success, with a very possible outcome of a miserable failure. Part of it depends on the new chick and part of it on what the present society prefers. I do not mind a long uphill struggle, or even a failure for that matter, as long as good stories brew out of that soup. Certainly there will be devout stargazers there who will not only remain with their current faith but also throw in some nasty obstacles, even potentially lethal ones. But what I am looking for really is a bunch of nobles who may have been waiting for another option all along.
I am also hoping that the current turbulence might attract more nobility, some of who might have previously rejected Niselur for it's pure focus on SA. I will certainly try to do my part to make things even more interesting. We'll just have to see how it all works out.
Do whatever you want, just leave D'Hara & Co. out of it.
Quote from: JeVondair on June 15, 2013, 01:35:41 PM
Do whatever you want, just leave D'Hara & Co. out of it.
Oh, I believe I have my hands full for quite some time still, but thank you for the idea.
;)
Quote from: Tiridia on June 15, 2013, 02:14:18 PM
Oh, I believe I have my hands full for quite some time still, but thank you for the idea.
;)
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Actually, if Niselur remains technical-Theocracy but with a Monarchy as the government structure, it shouldn't have any problems. After all, it was one of the options presented to FR (switch to Theocracy but keep Republican government style).
Its government style is still theocracy, the difference is they now only hold allegiance to their King, not the Church. Its different than with FR, because Niselur is rejecting church authority and renouncing its status as a theocracy of Sanguis Astroism.
Quote from: Frostwood on June 15, 2013, 03:32:57 AM
This is why I believe Vellos is trying to incite my character into forming a new religion, so that the church can re-unite the factions against Niselur, and solidify the church. If King Leopold created a church it would make it seem like he is a power-hungry king, and thus lies the trap.
I think the elders expected Niselur to go full schism, so my proposal was a counter-plan to their plans.
Are you incapable of thinking outside of the realist-interest box?
Hireshmont wasn't trying to incite you to schism. He wasn't trying to incite you to anything. He was trying to talk about theology. It was your character who kept bending it back to politics. Hireshmont, as I've said a million times, is a political idealist, and also a personal idealist. He doesn't use ideals as smokescreens for politics: he uses politics as smokescreens for ideals.
Quote from: Stabbity on June 15, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
Its government style is still theocracy, the difference is they now only hold allegiance to their King, not the Church. Its different than with FR, because Niselur is rejecting church authority and renouncing its status as a theocracy of Sanguis Astroism.
This.
Quote from: Frostwood on June 15, 2013, 04:52:12 AM
How so? I don't see how this affects the study of the Bloodstars, the churches are still in Niselur. The charter is just some artificial construct. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
lol, so naive.
Quote from: Frostwood on June 15, 2013, 04:17:11 AM
Ahh.. but it is not as clear-cut as that and people will have doubts as your character's family is infamous backed by the infamous Vellos, or so it seems.
LOL. Alaster backed by Hireshmont. Ha. Haha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's pretty comical.
As yet no consequences for kicking the regent from his estate... surprising.
why would there be? That was a secular issue, having nothing to do with the church.
Quote from: Indirik on June 16, 2013, 12:35:19 AM
why would there be? That was a secular issue, having nothing to do with the church.
Because in Gustavland the church is a super meddling institution that is determined to do whatever it has to to accrue the maximum amount of secular power, and Mordaunt is a bloodthirsty crusading fanatic.
Quote from: Vellos on June 16, 2013, 12:36:47 AM
Mordaunt is a bloodthirsty crusading fanatic.
Well, that part is true.
Quote from: Indirik on June 16, 2013, 12:37:40 AM
Well, that part is true.
Psh, nah. He's a technocrat.
Quote from: Vellos on June 15, 2013, 11:12:16 PM
Are you incapable of thinking outside of the realist-interest box?
Hireshmont wasn't trying to incite you to schism. He wasn't trying to incite you to anything. He was trying to talk about theology. It was your character who kept bending it back to politics. Hireshmont, as I've said a million times, is a political idealist, and also a personal idealist. He doesn't use ideals as smokescreens for politics: he uses politics as smokescreens for ideals.
;DI know ;D
I just had some long-term plans that needed some setup, and you helped me immensely, and even more your message to the members of Sanguis Astroism helped them even further. Alaster Kabrinski helped a lot in this matter as well, I do apologize for using you dustole :) However, my plans have yet again spiraled out of control and now are moving way too fast.
Quote from: Frostwood on June 16, 2013, 12:52:00 AM
However, my plans have yet again spiraled out of control and now are moving way too fast.
Welcome to Battlemaster 8)
No plan survives intact on first contact, especially since everybody here is a human being (hopefully).
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on June 16, 2013, 12:33:59 AM
As yet no consequences for kicking the regent from his estate... surprising.
Still chilling with the 400 gold I got at tax, sorry to disappoint bro.
Well if there is any solace, at least dustole probably has no idea what I've done to his character... :-X
I've dealt with a great deal more than I believe you to be capable of
Omg I outlived Allison Kabrinski 8)
Quote from: dustole on June 16, 2013, 02:36:34 AM
I've dealt with a great deal more than I believe you to be capable of
It was just something fun nothing harmful.
Quote from: JeVondair on June 15, 2013, 01:35:41 PM
Do whatever you want, just leave D'Hara & Co. out of it.
Leopold doesn't really care for D'Hara, as probably D'Hara doesn't care for Niselur, even though the two are allied. However, I imagine that the forthcoming conflict will be much more than just Niselur. D'Hara will likely be drawn in whether they like it or not. With the new D'Haran Prime Minister on board, who is giving the impression of a hardcore Elder (which may not necessarily be so), Leopold's affinity towards D'Hara is decreasing. The alliance between Niselur and D'Hara is inconvenient for some I think, and Leopold has much more important allies than D'Hara is. So, as I said, it is likely that D'Harans will share some collateral damage. Dwilight politics combined with the current diplomacy system really is like a maze. Leopold needs break off from the maze if he wants the diplomatic relations to reflect the *real* situation. D'Hara simply doesn't fit in at the moment.
Quote from: Arrakis on June 16, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
Leopold doesn't really care for D'Hara, as probably D'Hara doesn't care for Niselur, even though the two are allied. However, I imagine that the forthcoming conflict will be much more than just Niselur. D'Hara will likely be drawn in whether they like it or not. With the new D'Haran Prime Minister on board, who is giving the impression of a hardcore Elder (which may not necessarily be so), Leopold's affinity towards D'Hara is decreasing. The alliance between Niselur and D'Hara is inconvenient for some I think, and Leopold has much more important allies than D'Hara is. So, as I said, it is likely that D'Harans will share some collateral damage. Dwilight politics combined with the current diplomacy system really is like a maze. Leopold needs break off from the maze if he wants the diplomatic relations to reflect the *real* situation. D'Hara simply doesn't fit in at the moment.
If Rynn had noticed the alliance was still intact, he would have dissolved it on the spot. Rebel scum. Turin is a friend of his. Rynn never sent a message of any kind to Leopold because he sees official correspondence as a legitimizing action. Even with Gillian in Saffalore, he only ever referred to her as "Duchess."
And Dwilight politics is not a maze. You are either Lurian or NOT Lurian. Fin. 8)
Quote from: JeVondair on June 16, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
If Rynn had noticed the alliance was still intact, he would have dissolved it on the spot. Rebel scum. Turin is a friend of his. Rynn never sent a message of any kind to Leopold because he sees official correspondence as a legitimizing action. Even with Gillian in Saffalore, he only ever referred to her as "Duchess."
And Dwilight politics is not a maze. You are either Lurian or NOT Lurian. Fin. 8)
QuoteYou are either Lurian or a victim.
Fixed.
Quote from: Arrakis on June 16, 2013, 12:37:24 PM
is giving the impression of a hardcore Elder (which may not necessarily be so),
LOL.
I think there's a unique psychosis in Niselur where they have an inability to understand church politics.
For anyone who hasn't been following things: Hireshmont, Pierre, and Khari are holdin' down the anti-war, make-a-settlement-with-Niselur camp.
Impressions vary and it is a matter of perspective. Obviously you can't see it from Leopold's perspective, but does it really matter? He doesn't see Pierre von Genf. He sees Pierre von Genf on the helm of D'Hara. D'Hara is a mystery and unlikely a realm that would side with Leopold in anything. It is why I said that the affinity towards D'Hara has decreased.
Quote from: Frostwood on June 15, 2013, 03:32:57 AM
We just changed the descriptions to Kingdom, and changed a few laws, and withdrew from the charter. Since we are not looking for a crusade, we don't need to go through the hoops to change it into a monarchy. D'Hara's monarchy-republic style seems to work, so why a not Monarchy/Theocracy for us?
D'Hara does have a monarch, though, so the label of Monarchy is actually quite fitting. We do have a republican form of governance, but we remain very much so a monarchy.
Quote from: JeVondair on June 16, 2013, 03:49:30 PM
If Rynn had noticed the alliance was still intact, he would have dissolved it on the spot. Rebel scum. Turin is a friend of his. Rynn never sent a message of any kind to Leopold because he sees official correspondence as a legitimizing action. Even with Gillian in Saffalore, he only ever referred to her as "Duchess."
And Dwilight politics is not a maze. You are either Lurian or NOT Lurian. Fin. 8)
Not in Rynn's hands anymore, though. ;)
Quote from: Arrakis on June 17, 2013, 12:20:41 AM
Impressions vary and it is a matter of perspective. Obviously you can't see it from Leopold's perspective, but does it really matter? He doesn't see Pierre von Genf. He sees Pierre von Genf on the helm of D'Hara. D'Hara is a mystery and unlikely a realm that would side with Leopold in anything. It is why I said that the affinity towards D'Hara has decreased.
The thing with diplomacy is that it's always complicated. Except for people like the Lurians, you often both have reasons to like and dislike someone.
D'Harans have various reasons to both like and dislike Niselur, and thus the opinion a D'Haran has about Niselur depends on how much importance that individual accords to each of those reasons. And D'Haran politics depend on the opinion of a number of such individuals.
Lord Mayhem, is quite hot-headed....
Quote from: Frostwood on June 21, 2013, 03:16:26 AM
Lord Mayhem, is quite hot-headed....
If Rynn were to give some choice words on Kas, those would be the least of them.
Quote from: Frostwood on June 21, 2013, 03:16:26 AM
Lord Mayhem, is quite hot-headed....
Quote from: JeVondair on June 21, 2013, 03:21:19 AM
If Rynn were to give some choice words on Kas, those would be the least of them.
And don't even get Hireshmont started.
He got quite a history with the closing days of the Republic of Terran so I hear.
Quote from: Daimall on June 21, 2013, 05:54:28 AM
He got quite a history with the closing days of the Republic of Terran so I hear.
Yeah the whole secretly worshipping daimons, spying for Aurvandil, going crazy ruining the realm, and then laying the groundwork for Terran's collapse... he made a few enemies.
Kas was handed the Chief Magistrate's role by Hireshmont on a silver platter, with high hopes. He was given more autonomy than Hireshmont gave most Chief Magistrates. And for a few weeks he was really great. Then he went crazy, switched sides to save his own skin, and betrayed the realm.
Quote from: Vellos on June 21, 2013, 10:34:27 PM
Kas was handed the Chief Magistrate's role by Hireshmont on a silver platter, with high hopes. He was given more autonomy than Hireshmont gave most Chief Magistrates. And for a few weeks he was really great. Then he went crazy, switched sides to save his own skin, and betrayed the realm.
What was odd is that he could have avoided all of that... Kas attacking a Daimon unit in Overroot was the initial point of conflict and everyone was just like "WTF Kas are you trying to do?!" (this was in the midst of Asylon's invasion as well) and instead of just saying "sorry I screwed up forgive me" he went crazy and accused every major figure in Terran of corruption and even went on the Dwilight rulers list to bad mouth all of the Terran Dukes. It was an insane like... 2 days.
End in the end it was catalyst for the Fall of Terran. Pretty cool destruction though. Better than a lot of realms who end just petering out one day.
Quote from: Vellos on June 21, 2013, 10:34:27 PM
Yeah the whole secretly worshipping daimons, spying for Aurvandil, going crazy ruining the realm, and then laying the groundwork for Terran's collapse... he made a few enemies.
Kas was handed the Chief Magistrate's role by Hireshmont on a silver platter, with high hopes. He was given more autonomy than Hireshmont gave most Chief Magistrates. And for a few weeks he was really great. Then he went crazy, switched sides to save his own skin, and betrayed the realm.
If it makes anything clear, the first description of you was given by Kas. So that influenced my first reaction.
What I find ironic is his class is Diplomat.
Quote from: Frostwood on June 22, 2013, 12:00:35 AM
If it makes anything clear, the first description of you was given by Kas. So that influenced my first reaction.
What I find ironic is his class is Diplomat.
Having Kas in Niselur does more damage to Niselur than almost anything else. The man is reviled everywhere that he is known.
Quote from: Vellos on June 22, 2013, 01:31:34 AM
Having Kas in Niselur does more damage to Niselur than almost anything else. The man is reviled everywhere that he is known.
I find him interesting, even though we almost got into a duel...
Quote from: Frostwood on June 22, 2013, 01:59:25 AM
I find him interesting, even though we almost got into a duel...
I found him interesting too, until I realized he had more fun tearing down what others did than building new things. He did a real wonder on Terran, and now he's working on SA.
Allison was chaotic, but still actually cared about building things and investing in things. Kas doesn't. I can't speak for the player of course, but the character at least just isn't really fun for me.
Quote from: Vellos on June 22, 2013, 01:31:34 AM
Having Kas in Niselur does more damage to Niselur than almost anything else. The man is reviled everywhere that he is known.
Niselur's first diplomatic message to Kale as the Grand Prince of a new realm was Kas taunting and mocking Kale.
I have no idea why Leopold tolerates him as an Ambassador of all things.
Because Kas is good at causing problems.
Quote from: Indirik on June 22, 2013, 04:13:13 AM
Because Kas is good at causing problems.
But represents Leopold poorly.
Quote from: Perth on June 22, 2013, 04:21:25 AM
But represents Leopold poorly.
Niselur doesn't seem to have much to lose by being confrontational. Either they get attacked, and by all odds get a grand coalition on their side. Sure, their allies may suffer a bit, but Niselur's pretty remote and safe, they can only really expand. Otherwise, they don't get attacked, and prove to everyone just how far they can go without any repercussions (or even with appeasements!). They really have no reason to play nice.
Kas has a lot of enemies on the forum, who slander him and stuff. But in game he's a good character, active, and polite to those who deserve it.
Quote from: Kwanstein on June 22, 2013, 05:46:34 AM
Kas has a lot of enemies on the forum, who slander him and stuff. But in game he's a good character, active, and polite to those who deserve it.
lol.
QuoteKas has a lot of enemies on the forum, who slander him and stuff. But in game he's a good character, active, and polite to those who deserve it.
Thank you, folks, for vindicating me.
I like Kas 8)
It is a pretty strange decision to have Kas as our Ambassador, but I guess some of the blame can be directed by the fact that almost no one in Niselur really knew who he was other then being a refugee from Terran. Of course ome got to wonder if there should be a less... Controversial ambassador to represent us in the future from now on.
Back to Niselur itself, I guess it not bad for what was once considered a mostly irrelevant realm is now a focal point in such a short time. Whether we push our luck or sit and grin at the church, Leopold has made a mark for himself. Fitting I suppose for one whose grandfather was considered to be a hero of the faith, the grandson will most likely go down as one of the greatest villains of the church.
QuoteIt is a pretty strange decision to have Kas as our Ambassador, but I guess some of the blame can be directed by the fact that almost no one in Niselur really knew who he was other then being a refugee from Terran. Of course ome got to wonder if there should be a less... Controversial ambassador to represent us in the future from now on.
Daimall, there could always be reasons to appoint an ambassador who has his own way of dealing with things..
Kas's invitation to Niselur was given to him right in the aftermath of the rebellion when I was desperate to attract as many people as I could for Niselur's political and military position was very fragile and I needed players willing to play and contribute. I always assumed he was a quirky and inflammatory character due to his reputation, and so far he has delivered. True, occasionally he goes berserk for no obvious reason, but so far he has been more worth than trouble although some may disagree with this. Such characters do have their uses and I think Niselur capitalized on this even though Leopold never really guided Kas to act like he does.
It is also worthy to point out that he is no longer an ambassador of Niselur as he has chosen an entirely different profession which auto-demoted him from the position of an ambassador. He still acts like it and occasionally delivers news from his contacts from Old Terran, which Leopold is always interested to hear. Nevertheless, Niselur has no ambassadors at the moment, for majority of players have decided not to pursue this career as soon as possibility of war was hinted. Which is how Leopold likes it due to the sensible diplomatic work that needed to be done and that he wanted to do himself.
Quote from: Kwanstein on June 22, 2013, 05:46:34 AM
Kas has a lot of enemies on the forum, who slander him and stuff. But in game he's a good character, active, and polite to those who deserve it.
No one said he was a bad character or not active (which has nothing to with this), people said that he acts a bit crazy and is good at causing trouble due to extreme rudeness at times. I have never seen a kind message from him that I can recall.
Quote from: Penchant on June 24, 2013, 05:10:28 AM
No one said he was a bad character or not active (which has nothing to with this), people said that he acts a bit crazy and is good at causing trouble due to extreme rudeness at times. I have never seen a kind message from him that I can recall.
Funny, he has always spoken politely with me... But that might be because we are both crazy.
Quote from: Glaumring the Fox on June 24, 2013, 07:51:02 AM
Funny, he has always spoken politely with me... But that might be because we are both crazy.
Most of the time he is polite, even when he threatened me, because he likes me :). And his description of the history of Terran, Vellos and Perth, is most amusing.
Especially, Vellos's mad puppet throwing skills and the description of D'Hara as a pirate realm.
Quote from: Glaumring the Fox on June 24, 2013, 07:51:02 AM
Funny, he has always spoken politely with me... But that might be because we are both crazy.
^ This
D'Hara really is a pirate realm though.
Quote from: Kwanstein on June 24, 2013, 11:58:41 AM
D'Hara really is a pirate realm though.
Nah, we don't have pirates, we have corsairs.
Pirates were those uncivilized Madinians we watched die in glee.
Quote from: Chénier on June 24, 2013, 03:57:40 PM
Nah, we don't have pirates, we have corsairs.
Pirates were those uncivilized Madinians we watched die in glee.
Tell me again how well that worked out for you in the long run.
Quote from: Stabbity on June 24, 2013, 09:03:08 PM
Tell me again how well that worked out for you in the long run.
D'Hara grew bigger than it ever even dreamed possible?
So yea, turned out okay, I guess.
Can't factor in cheating when making plans, anyways. Had Aurvandil been legit, we never would have suffered for those choices as we did. We would have been able to contain them as we thought we'd be able to at the time.
Quote from: Chénier on June 24, 2013, 09:08:50 PM
D'Hara grew bigger than it ever even dreamed possible?
So yea, turned out okay, I guess.
Can't factor in cheating when making plans, anyways. Had Aurvandil been legit, we never would have suffered for those choices as we did. We would have been able to contain them as we thought we'd be able to at the time.
Hrm. You know what, you could argue that the only reason D'hara has gotten this big (its recent expansion into Saffalore) was because of Mendicant. In fact, Mendicant is the only reason. D'hara, ipso facto, has benefited from cheating. Terran would have never shattered in the way it did, leaving Saffalore open for D'hara, had Mendicant not lead his legion of multis into Terran lands.
Quote from: Stabbity on June 24, 2013, 09:41:17 PM
Hrm. You know what, you could argue that the only reason D'hara has gotten this big (its recent expansion into Saffalore) was because of Mendicant. In fact, Mendicant is the only reason. D'hara, ipso facto, has benefited from cheating. Terran would have never shattered in the way it did, leaving Saffalore open for D'hara, had Mendicant not lead his legion of multis into Terran lands.
This is stupid, and a very poorly-veiled jab at myself.
D'Hara was way better off with a strong Terran on our border than a stupid theocracy, a barbarian city-state, and anarchist-ridden fringelands.
The only valuable acquisitions were on the Madina island. Which the annexation of Saffalore is making us lose to rogues.
Quote from: Chénier on June 24, 2013, 10:21:15 PM
This is stupid, and a very poorly-veiled jab at myself.
D'Hara was way better off with a strong Terran on our border than a stupid theocracy, a barbarian city-state, and anarchist-ridden fringelands.
The only valuable acquisitions were on the Madina island. Which the annexation of Saffalore is making us lose to rogues.
Which Fissoa isn't keen on you holding onto. However, since Mendicant destroyed Terran....
-D'hara has become the dominate voice in the Moot.
-D'hara has expanded its territory into former Terran lands.
-D'hara's western front is just as secure as before, seeing as Western entities are too busy glaring daggers at each other, and too weak to do much of anything.
I call that a gain.
Quote from: Stabbity on June 24, 2013, 10:28:35 PM
Which Fissoa isn't keen on you holding onto. However, since Mendicant destroyed Terran....
-D'hara has become the dominate voice in the Moot.
-D'hara has expanded its territory into former Terran lands.
-D'hara's western front is just as secure as before, seeing as Western entities are too busy glaring daggers at each other, and too weak to do much of anything.
I call that a gain.
The dominant voice in what is now nothing but a shell of what it used to be. Woohoo!
Expanded into territories that are so far from the capital they most likely reduce D'Hara's overall wealth, not to mention increase the food deficit.
D'Hara's western front is the least secure than ever. Instead of a friendly strong state neighboring it, we have a hostile Saffalore, an intrusive Terran, and an unpredictable Phantaria. On top of all of that, Aurvandil remains aggressive and cannot be ignored.
The Madina holdings, at least, produce food. So what Fissoa would rather have these regions for itself? We helped them. And we would have helped them even if Aurvandil hadn't cheated. The only difference is that Aurvandil and Falkirk would have been obliterated long ago.
It's easy to make a list of things that were "gained" to make absolutely anything look like it had positive impacts. It doesn't make it true, though. Gains don't mean squat if not compared to costs.
Quote from: Chénier on June 24, 2013, 10:35:58 PM
The dominant voice in what is now nothing but a shell of what it used to be. Woohoo!
Expanded into territories that are so far from the capital they most likely reduce D'Hara's overall wealth, not to mention increase the food deficit.
D'Hara's western front is the least secure than ever. Instead of a friendly strong state neighboring it, we have a hostile Saffalore, an intrusive Terran, and an unpredictable Phantaria. On top of all of that, Aurvandil remains aggressive and cannot be ignored.
The Madina holdings, at least, produce food. So what Fissoa would rather have these regions for itself? We helped them. And we would have helped them even if Aurvandil hadn't cheated. The only difference is that Aurvandil and Falkirk would have been obliterated long ago.
It's easy to make a list of things that were "gained" to make absolutely anything look like it had positive impacts. It doesn't make it true, though. Gains don't mean squat if not compared to costs.
Saffalore is a threat? But what happened to the glorious nation that triumphed over evil Luria? Or is that propaganda finally dead? Terran can't do squat without provoking the ire of damn near everyone, Phantaria could very well have been a member of the moot (hell, I tried to get them to join) but individuals like Pierre are not helping the case. If the Moot is a dead husk after losing 33% of its member states, what does that say about the remaining 66%?
And yes, Fissoa wants the isle, they did after all, do the heavy lifting. D'hara took over some rogue regions, big deal.
I thought this thread was about niselur? Why did it become about Dhara again?..
D'hara has adopted the Asylonian way, hijacking threads.
On the topic, Niselur is slowly becoming my "next choice realm" if I ever crash Asylon into the ground...(see what I did there? I brought up Asylon in the Niselur thread, D'hara-style ;) )
Quote from: D`Este on June 24, 2013, 10:56:24 PM
I thought this thread was about niselur? Why did it become about Dhara again?..
Ask Stabbity, he started bringing up D'Hara, and doing so insistingly.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on June 25, 2013, 12:19:11 AM
D'hara has adopted the Asylonian way, hijacking threads.
On the topic, Niselur is slowly becoming my "next choice realm" if I ever crash Asylon into the ground...(see what I did there? I brought up Asylon in the Niselur thread, D'hara-style ;) )
Niselur the next Asylon 8)
In other Niselur news, the Lightbringer name is sticking, probably to annoyance of a certain judge.
The whole quest(which most of Niselur knows about), had spread in Luria Nova, and now apparently people in D'Hara have heard about it. Vellos is in on it as well in his own way and has set up his own version of the quest. Yet another plot running out of control.
Quote from: Chénier on June 25, 2013, 03:40:00 AM
Ask Stabbity, he started bringing up D'Hara, and doing so insistingly.
Hardly true at all.
If you check the message history instead of throwing accusations, you'll note that Frostwood and Kwanstein brought up D'hara. In fact, Chenier continued the d'hara discussion before stabbity ever posted on it.
D'Hara= worst name to read over and over again... :'(
Quote from: Glaumring the Fox on June 25, 2013, 06:19:54 AM
D'Hara= worst name to read over and over again... :'(
In what way?
Hmmm... I guess Niselur= D'hara nowadays? Considering everybody is pretty convinced to post stuff about D'hara here...
D'Haraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawr!
Some day I'm gonna have to have a character join D'Hara just to use that battle cry.
Is it 'duh'hara' or 'dey'hara'? Like seriously an apostophe was needed? Might as well as named the place ' Shockwind dragongemshiredale'
Quote from: Glaumring the Fox on June 25, 2013, 06:07:47 PM
Is it 'duh'hara' or 'dey'hara'? Like seriously an apostophe was needed? Might as well as named the place ' Shockwind dragongemshiredale'
Actually you barely pronounce the D before saying hara, so it's more like Dih'hara
Quote from: Glaumring the Fox on June 25, 2013, 06:07:47 PM
'duh'hara'
This. It's ripped from a book series that was made into a TV series. Can't remember the name right now...
Quote from: Indirik on June 25, 2013, 06:13:45 PM
This. It's ripped from a book series that was made into a TV series. Can't remember the name right now...
The Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind (beginning with Wizard's First Rule). The television show was called The Seeker.
The first book or two were OK, but it went downhill pretty fast after that. I never read past book four.
Legens of the Seeker? Because Lorgan made me watch that once...
Hah. Yeah... I watched way too much of that crap show. I hear the books aren't that bad though.
Quote from: Lorgan on June 25, 2013, 06:45:46 PM
Hah. Yeah... I watched way too much of that crap show. I hear the books aren't that bad though.
If you ever read them, take may advice and stop after two. Trust me.
I always thought Kröd Mändoon was a parody on Legend of the Seeker. Then again the series Legend of the Seeker kinda looks like a parody itself.
I remember how Lorgan just tossed everything of that series into a VLC-playlist, and we were all to lazy to get up and stop it. Yup.
Psh. Kröd Mandoon rocks. 8)
Also, don't think I'll bother reading the first two then, Geronus. Though tbh it's not like I was going to anyway. :)
I read them all. Not bad, but I wouldn't read them again. Had some good stuff.
Quote from: Daimall on June 25, 2013, 08:52:15 AM
Hmmm... I guess Niselur= D'hara nowadays? Considering everybody is pretty convinced to post stuff about D'hara here...
Niselur's so cool these days that everybody comes to our thread. Asylon is cool as well.
Asylon is cool again 8)
The Lighbringer is really living up to the name. I guess I should have seen this coming. It is amazing how you scuttled my plan with one letter.
Flavour and fun it is, which is plenty reason for me.