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BattleMaster => Locals => Atamara => Topic started by: Frostwood on July 24, 2013, 05:20:36 AM
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I can see the depth of what other rulers faced when trying to change Atamara, it also explains why I like the one noble rule on Dwilight.
Moderator note: Fixed realm spelling in thread topic. --Indirik
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I'm not 100% sure what the one noble rule has to do with it; I only have one character on Atamara.
Still, don't think Merlin didn't already change Atamara or that it dies with this rebellion. Knowing the player, he'll have something up his sleeve soon. I'm pretty sure the Barony could use a head like his on the throne and that way, he's far enough from the League that he might get a chance to pull something off.
Wait for it to play out a little and then I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong. I think the player of Laszlo once mentioned eating his hat? I'll do that. (And rhyme.)
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I believe he's saying that having two family members in one realm helps you during a rebellion. This is not true.
From the wiki:
Once the rebellion breaks out, all the nobles in the realm will have the opportunity to declare their stance as either a Rebel or a Loyalist. They can also choose neither side and remain neutral. Nobles in the underground are not automatically Rebels, they must still declare themselves as Rebels. Nobles who do not choose sides will be considered Neutral, and will not participate in battles between the Rebels and Loyalists. If two family members are in the realm, then only one of them will be allowed to choose sides. The second family member will be forced to remain neutral.
Source: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Rebellion
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I'm a little peeved. I just got a character to Silnaria because I thought it was going to be the place to be and they were sticking it to Tara. Now it appears the leadership is being overthrown because some in the realm are scared of losing.
Ata-freaking-mara.
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I think that isn't an entirely correct analysis Perth...
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Well surprise surprise, the plot thickens
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Vote Claudius for mayor!
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I think that isn't an entirely correct analysis Perth...
It probably isn't. I have little to no idea why people are rebelling. I am just going off of what has been said realm-wide so far.
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It probably isn't. I have little to no idea why people are rebelling. I am just going off of what has been said realm-wide so far.
Same here and I've been in the realm for three weeks!
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I have no idea either, but i have my guesses... been on Barad Falas for days... i think i took too much 7-up with me and people got it wrong and started to fight... 7-up has that effect if taken too much, it raises aggressions..
-jaune
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Breaking news:
It would seem that a mad man was last spotted opening all of the rabbit cages in the city. The city will soon be facing a massive rabbit stew shortage if they are not caught quickly.
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Hmmm not sure if I made the right choice. IC it makes sense, but I'm afraid choosing the rebellion side will make me bored as a player. Maybe I should have gone loyalist. No idea if that can even still be changed.
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I assure you that Silnaria will not get boring anytime soon. Silnaria was on a path to death by gangbang, there are smarter ways to do things, and they don't involve gangbang. I mean come on, we were in such a bad spot diplomatically ESTON wasgetting uppity with us. When a glorified Duchy can talk !@#$ to you and get away with it, something is wrong.
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If you call being allied to Darka a gangbang, then I guess you're right.
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There was no way Eston could have gotten on you. (Well there is/was, but that would have needed some other major changes on current setup).
Darka made pretty clear that Anost stay at property of Silnaria to Eston and to Silnaria as well.
Eston didnt get away from it... their ruler had to take a rest cause of those plans.
I have no clue if Rielston/ML were planning to jump on you, but as long as Darka were able, it would have kept western border secured, just to make sure Anost stays under Silnarian banner.
But lets see what happens... and if there will be new King, where he will stand... will Silnaria go back on line as Central big boys order, or will it still try to maintain its independence.
-jaune
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Oh, and Darka & Silnaria simply had peace agreement. Darka would no harm Silnaria and Silnaria would not harm Darka. There still was long way to alliance, even thougth League boys seemed to trying push Silnaria towards it :)
-jaune
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Things are looking a bit better now for the loyalists. When it started, had maybe 8 or 9 nobles join the rebellion before anyone joined the loyalists. But, now it is 10 loyalists and 12 rebels with 18 undecided.
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I believe he's saying that having two family members in one realm helps you during a rebellion. This is not true.
From the wiki:
Source: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Rebellion
I thought I saw the two Raziels rebel...
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I thought I saw the two Raziels rebel...
If more than one family member can join a rebellion now, it is a bug and you'd be wise to report it.
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Isn't one of the Raziels actually Vita's character...?
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Isn't one of the Raziels actually Vita's character...?
Yes, Raziella I Himoura Nifelnotasimportantashimoura. :p is Vita's char.
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Oh no, there's Raziels everywhere..
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Yes, Raziella I Himoura Nifelnotasimportantashimoura. :p is Vita's char.
Ah, now I know who my Lord is :P
Hey, at least the rebellion will uphold Merlin's oath that Silnaria was going to be an interesting realm :P
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Oh no, there's Raziels everywhere..
(http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/40013225.jpg)
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It would appear to me that Merlin is water, being a Ruler is oil, and the two just don't mix.
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I can see the depth of what other rulers faced when trying to change Atamara, it also explains why I like the one noble rule on Dwilight.
Merlin already changed a lot with what he's done.
I assure you that Silnaria will not get boring anytime soon. Silnaria was on a path to death by gangbang, there are smarter ways to do things, and they don't involve gangbang. I mean come on, we were in such a bad spot diplomatically ESTON wasgetting uppity with us. When a glorified Duchy can talk !@#$ to you and get away with it, something is wrong.
Definitely not boring, but this rebellion is going to do far more harm than good no matter who comes out on top.
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Or will it Geronus? Only one way to find out! Fight fight fight!
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Or will it Geronus? Only one way to find out! Fight fight fight!
That depends - do you think you'll be able to retain the loyalty of all of the loyalists if the rebels come out on top? I would be very surprised if we don't lose nobles either way, and that will unquestionably make us weaker.
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I have a feeling we'll lose more rebels if the loyalists are victorious than loyalists if the rebels are victorious.
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I have a feeling we'll lose more rebels if the loyalists are victorious than loyalists if the rebels are victorious.
That may be true (and probably is), but you're still going to lose some no matter what, and you may lose even more going forward if you succeed in bringing Silnaria back into the Cagilan fold.
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I don't think this rebellion has anything to do with bringing Silnaria into the Cagilan fold. It has to do with removing the singular point of contention half the continent has with Silnaria.
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I don't think this rebellion has anything to do with bringing Silnaria into the Cagilan fold. It has to do with removing the singular point of contention half the continent has with Silnaria.
Now, I'm not on Atamara, let alone in Silnaria, but...honestly, I'd be very surprised if, upon removing the strong-willed leader who has been diligently keeping Silnaria opposed to the monolithic power sweeping the continent, a ruler wasn't soon elected who decided that his power would be best assured by bowing to the prevailing winds.
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Now, I'm not on Atamara, let alone in Silnaria, but...honestly, I'd be very surprised if, upon removing the strong-willed leader who has been diligently keeping Silnaria opposed to the monolithic power sweeping the continent, a ruler wasn't soon elected who decided that his power would be best assured by bowing to the prevailing winds.
That's what I am guessing will happen.
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Now, I'm not on Atamara, let alone in Silnaria, but...honestly, I'd be very surprised if, upon removing the strong-willed leader who has been diligently keeping Silnaria opposed to the monolithic power sweeping the continent, a ruler wasn't soon elected who decided that his power would be best assured by bowing to the prevailing winds.
There won't be an elected ruler. Silnaria is a monarchy.
Unless Ravendon plans on stepping down immediately. Which is lame. But he hasn't said he would.
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There won't be an elected ruler. Silnaria is a monarchy.
Unless Ravendon plans on stepping down immediately. Which is lame. But he hasn't said he would.
Well they just lost the sunset battle. I think the rebellion is probably going to fail at this point, as I imagine most of the people who were going to join it already have and the loyalist forces are quickly gaining strength.
This rebellion is a complete disaster for Silnaria no matter who wins it, but I suspect it will be even worse with a loyalist victory :P
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Yeah, it may not go over well with the MiCE. But even so, it's not like Tara/CE will just sit back and say "Oh, Ravendon has the throne now? Well, then sure, we'll just give up everything we want, and just let you guys stonewall us for good." The only way to get MiCE off Silnaria's back would be to roll over and let them have anything they want. Or perhaps that's Ravendon's plan to begin with, to realign Silnaria back toward MiCE. Ravendon's rebellion message itself states that he is rebelling, at least partly, on the request of foreign governments. And you can bet that the northerners weren't the ones asking for this.
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Yet, Ravendon hails from the North. ::) ;D
Interesting times
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Now, obviously, I don't want to jump into much OOC analysis given the fact that I'm kinda in the thick of it, but quite honestly, I think Silnaria would've been fine either way.
On one hand, we've had a couple weeks of diplomatic jockeying and quasi-wars... The board was pretty much set before the rebellion. It'd be a big messy war and it may have been fun depending on your definition. Personally, I think a surprising number of realms would've just sat out, making it fairly well-balanced.
On the other hand, it's a pretty likely case that Ravendon taking the helm back will prevent Silnaria from being attacked immediately, but I never planned to just reserve space on the map. Merlin's definitely changed Atamara, but everyone knows that and fears it.
I do want to put one thing to rest, though; this has nothing to do with foreign governments. Ask General Enri... Ravendon got pretty nasty with him about it. ;)
To the players who are OOC concerned Silnaria will get boring, just wait a little and see what happens. This right here should be proof enough that you can make something interesting yourself; a tip Merlin taught me.
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To the players who are OOC concerned Silnaria will get boring, just wait a little and see what happens. This right here should be proof enough that you can make something interesting yourself; a tip Merlin taught me.
I just want to highlight this point.
If a realm is boring, make it interesting yourself. Don't wait for others to do it. You get out what you put in.
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On the topic:
So, this was fun to come back to from a vacation, but it seems that I'll be retaining my throne for now in Silnaria even though I didn't gain internet access until shortly after it began.
I would also like to agree that I think this puts Silnaria in a much worse situation than it was just before the rebellion began. Regardless of the winner, I don't think the rebellion goes well for Silnaria. Only rebellions with nigh complete support of the nobility usually help the realm. This definitely isn't one of them as we currently have like 28% rebels, 30% loyalists, and the rest neutral.
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Well, this is a kicker:
- Read messages, make mental notes of who to respond to.
- Begin writing general message, struggling with exactly what I want to say.
- Get more messages, decided to save the big one for later and address people specifically, with colorful responses.
- Begin writing new message, planning on saving the original large one for later.
- Accidentally close new message, message is lost.
- Begin rewriting new message.
- Notice easy quick-response message, prioritize.
- Get stabbed.
- Not allowed to send the quick-response.
- Give up on all messages due to wound + likelihood of things changing radically by the time it's done.
All this happened within maybe an hour or two. Saves me the trouble at least.
;D
Also, am I the only one who thinks this rebellion will actually go spectacularly well for Atamara, if not Silnaria (regardless of who wins)? If nothing else, it finally forces something to happen instead of the fake war and diplomatic jockeying we've had for the past few weeks. Even Darka got bored and decided to march to BoM.
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I have no idea what's going on around me, but I'm thinking that clicking on the "join rebels" link was a mistake as it seems obvious it'll fail now. Didn't really care either way, though.
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I have no idea what's going on around me, but I'm thinking that clicking on the "join rebels" link was a mistake as it seems obvious it'll fail now. Didn't really care either way, though.
Well, it will be a good excuse to ban you ;D
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Well, it will be a good excuse to ban you ;D
I just decided to pause my character. I wasn't doing anything anyways, haven't since Minas Ithil died (and even before then...). No point in continuing to play that character.
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I just decided to pause my character. I wasn't doing anything anyways, haven't since Minas Ithil died (and even before then...). No point in continuing to play that character.
Best way to get away from being punished :)
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Best way to get away from being punished :)
Except he can still be banned...
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Smart nobles throw in their lot with the winning side ;D
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Smart nobles throw in their lot with the winning side ;D
Yea, I thought the rebels were the winning side.
Mind you, I really didn't put much thought there, nor did I really care. I was just sitting around anyways.
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Hey I joined the winning side yet I am going to pay more my decision as well :(
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Rebels and Loyals should live or die by what side they choose!
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Muwhahah I escaped! No torture!
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Yea, I thought the rebels were the winning side.
Mind you, I really didn't put much thought there, nor did I really care. I was just sitting around anyways.
That is why Secession is better than a rebellion.
Before the rebellion many tell you they will support it, but then they join the loyalist.
During a Secession every aligned noble join the Dark Side, even against their will.
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But secession and rebellions are sort of different though...
Rebellions: The government of Kepler is corrupt/weak and we are gonna change it
Secessions: F you Kepler, we are now Evilstani
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That is why Secession is better than a rebellion.
Before the rebellion many tell you they will support it, but then they join the loyalist.
During a Secession every aligned noble join the Dark Side, even against their will.
The rebel leaders can still change their region allegience en mass before the rebellions ends, and force their nobles to join the Dark Side against their will.
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The rebel leaders can still change their region allegience en mass before the rebellions ends, and force their nobles to join the Dark Side against their will.
Erm...but that doesn't actually help them achieve their ends, if what they wanted was to overthrow their government.
All that does is put them in a different realm. Which they could do without a rebellion any day of the week.
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All that does is put them in a different realm. Which they could do without a rebellion any day of the week.
Only assuming they have a Duke.
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Only assuming they have a Duke.
Huh?
No...you don't need to secede, or have your Duke change allegiance, to take your region and leave the realm. Every region lord can join another duchy at any time.
Also, barring temporary situations between position loss and appointment, every Lord has a Duke, always. There are no Imperial or duchyless regions anymore.
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Huh?
No...you don't need to secede, or have your Duke change allegiance, to take your region and leave the realm. Every region lord can join another duchy at any time.
Also, barring temporary situations between position loss and appointment, every Lord has a Duke, always. There are no Imperial or duchyless regions anymore.
I was relating it to the idea of a secession. You need a Duke to secede. And by "need a duke" I mean, "need a duke on your side" to do it.
But this is off-topic anyway, so I'll just drop it.
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Well this is how I understand the rebellion... in terms that I find very understandable.
Wind "It is the tale of the scorpion and the frog"
Captain, "What is this tale"
Wind smiles brightly "It is a tale as old as the Gods" he begins telling it.
A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion
says, "Because if I do, I will die too."
The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"
Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."
Captain shaking his head, "Yes, it makes perfect sense. Who is the frog and the scorpion?"
Wind rubbing his head, "That is up to you my friend"
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But secession and rebellions are sort of different though...
Rebellions: The government of Kepler is corrupt/weak and we are gonna change it
Secessions: F you Kepler, we are now Evilstani
lol :D
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so the rebellion went poof, is anyone getting banned?
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Merlin listed several people IG that he wants banned, including Ravendon and Raziel.
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Weren't they the biggest Merlin fanboys a month ago?
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Weren't they the biggest Merlin fanboys a month ago?
Very little of the information got out about the rebellion, eh? One of the big pieces of this has been that most of the rebels like Merlin's ideas, etc... the problem was they thought him as King was damaging that and adding an extra burden to Silnaria, beyond what we'd have suffered if someone else had come up with the plan.
Ravendon, in particular, was trying to get across that Merlin's making himself too easy a target in Silnaria, since his neighbors have been asking for some pretty severe actions against him.
Ravendon's ban has also gone into effect, but I'm pausing him for a bit. I'm not sure what I want to do with him right now. Though, he won't likely join Darka, KK. ;)
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Pausing Ravendon? I thought you and others would rally and fight by other means. In the game, Merlin has several enemies, some of them are resourceful. You could find someone and plot something together :)
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Pausing Ravendon? I thought you and others would rally and fight by other means. In the game, Merlin has several enemies, some of them are resourceful. You could find someone and plot something together :)
Ah that's not the issue at all. Ravendon's not anti-Merlin, he legitimately thought he'd be saving Merlin from himself. Really, anyone who believed Ravendon would be more sympathetic to the CE and Tara was going to be pretty disappointed.
What I really don't want is for people to try bringing Ravendon on to fight against Silnaria, so he's taking a little vacation. (When he comes back, if I decide I do want to continue being a Voice, I'll go looking for people that want that.)
There's also a teeny, tiny bit of wanting to try the pause feature for my first time.
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Haha plus to try to avoid execution ::) :P
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With Silnaria's record of attempted executions, I think he will be safe.
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Haha plus to try to avoid execution ::) :P
Ha! I'm not afraid of that at all. If Ravendon gets offed, it makes the decision MUCH easier.
With Silnaria's record of attempted executions, I think he will be safe.
Quoted for truth.
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Ha! I'm not afraid of that at all. If Ravendon gets offed, it makes the decision MUCH easier.
Quoted for truth.
Do you think you will make another character elsewhere if you are going to pause one on AT?
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Well we will miss you on AT... but I will find you somewhere else Eirikr
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haha, wow, didn't expect so much kick up over that
I've already got three other chars, one in Thal, one in Perdan, and an advy in Arcaea.
Ravendon will come back, just not immediately. So I'm not making anyone new yet.
Really, my next big goal is to get the advy to nobility. I like finding uniques, but he's been beaten and battered enough by now.
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haha, wow, didn't expect so much kick up over that
I've already got three other chars, one in Thal, one in Perdan, and an advy in Arcaea.
Ravendon will come back, just not immediately. So I'm not making anyone new yet.
Really, my next big goal is to get the advy to nobility. I like finding uniques, but he's been beaten and battered enough by now.
Bring a Char to Dwilight! Preferably Phantaria!
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With Silnarnia's record of attempted executions, I think he will be safe.
We already have a magistrates case open for the harassment of Dante, please do not start using that mocking term of the realm's name.
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We already have a magistrates case open for the harassment of Dante, please do not start using that mocking term of the realm's name.
I fixed my quote, I completely overlooked it.
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I fixed my quote, I completely overlooked it.
And the original maker had it wrong because of the thread title where it is also located.
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Fixed the mistake.
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And the original maker had it wrong because of the thread title where it is also located.
Oh, hey, look at that.
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I fixed the topic title. Hope that helps.
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I fixed the topic title. Hope that helps.
It looks like the replies are still the same.
At this point, though, it's probably much ado about nothing. We're all aware and we know to avoid it now, the extra work is perhaps not worth it.
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my bad... sometimes I spell things wrong, or say them in my head wrong. It took me many times just to get Niselur memorized :)
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Yes, old replies will stay the same, unless I modify each individual post. New replies will have the corrected spelling. (Maybe unless they quote an old post? Anyway, not that important.)