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BattleMaster => Helpline => Topic started by: Jaden on September 27, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
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The banker of Corsanctum, Miller Mcfluffy is having bugs with accepting sell/buy offers. There was a related bug on the bugtracker and I gave feedback, though I cant be 100% sure its related cause I am not the one having problems.
Letter from Miller McFluffy (12 hours, 15 minutes ago)
i have tried to accept the offer (buy and selling) from city or rurall area. but the trading was also didn't success.
Miller McFluffy
Fiduciary of Corsanctum
Margravine of Unterstrom Vorstadt
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Can you post the link to the related bug?
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http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=7788
Ban asked for names so I gave the banker's character name
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Hmmm, I also couldnt accept the offers the Banker made.
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He didn't mention any errors when he sent that message. Unless that was simply left out, there are two bugs here and conflating them will make figuring this out very hard.
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I am not sure about the banker, but when i tried to accept the offer, it just didnt went through but I had the messages and all.
There were no error messages.
Food Bought (21 hours ago)
Justus has bought 60 bushels of food for the granary.
Food Bought (21 hours ago)
Justus has bought 60 bushels of food for the granary.
Food Bought (20 hours, 59 minutes ago)
Justus has bought 60 bushels of food for the granary.
These were all the exact same offer.
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Maybe its related to this one? The food sold message appears, but there is neither a transfer of bonds or food.
http://bugs.battlemaster.org/view.php?id=7828
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That looks like it. Thanks.
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Fixed as soon as Tim cleans up the database.
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Thanks! ;D
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So.... did it ever get fixed? I've got a situation where my fiduciary buys my food and then sells it to whoever needs it, but I never receive any gold/bonds for it.
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So.... did it ever get fixed? I've got a situation where my fiduciary buys my food and then sells it to whoever needs it, but I never receive any gold/bonds for it.
Does he buy your food or just sell it? The banker can just directly your region's market and the sell the food like a steward if you give him permission.
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Does he buy your food or just sell it? The banker can just directly your region's market and the sell the food like a steward if you give him permission.
Dwilight is broken at the moment or I would look up exactly what he said. I get a report when he sells the food that says he collects the money from the sale. As my character is in need of money, I complained about this, he told me that gold is removed from him when he buys it, so he's not making a profit.
Even if he were selling my food as a steward, shouldn't my region be getting the money that is being collected from the buyer?
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I think that's intended behaviour, sell/buy offers are attached to the buyer/seller and goes directly to them. The only time that gold goes directly to the region is through automatic offers.
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Dwilight is broken at the moment or I would look up exactly what he said. I get a report when he sells the food that says he collects the money from the sale. As my character is in need of money, I complained about this, he told me that gold is removed from him when he buys it, so he's not making a profit.
What most probably happens is that the banker is responsible both for the selling and the buying. The report says correctly that he pockets money from the sale, but it is his own money, so he's not really making a profit. He would only make money if was selling food to a pre-established buying offer that was set up by someone else.
You can avoid this by removing his access to your granaries, but you'll have to manage your food yourself then.
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What most probably happens is that the banker is responsible both for the selling and the buying. The report says correctly that he pockets money from the sale, but it is his own money, so he's not really making a profit. He would only make money if was selling food to a pre-established buying offer that was set up by someone else.
This is true, but he's buying from me (except I don't get the money) and he's selling to someone else (who doesn't have to give up their money). For the Banker, it's a wash, but I just got robbed, and whoever got my food got it for free.
See the problem?
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So you expect someone else to do all the work, and you still get all the profits?
If you want all the profits for yourself, then lock the banker out of your warehouse, and do it yourself.
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The "work" is growing the food. I don't have a problem with the banker getting a percentage if you'd like. As it is, the banker does the work and no one gets anything.
When the banker buys the food where does that money go? When he sells the food to someone else, who's giving the banker his money back? Am I crazy in thinking something is missing here?
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The "work" is growing the food.
In that case, I assume you'll have no problem paying the peasants for it?
As it is, the banker does the work and no one gets anything.
Huh?
If you're saying the work is growing the food, then the banker does none of it.
Otherwise, the banker does the trading and gets the profit from the trades he makes.
When the banker buys the food where does that money go? When he sells the food to someone else, who's giving the banker his money back? Am I crazy in thinking something is missing here?
If the banker buys food from an order set up by Lord Foodgrower, then Lord Foodgrower gets the money.
If the banker sets up a sell order and Lord Citymonger buys it, Lord Citymonger pays the bonds that the banker gets.
If the banker sets up a sell order and then buys it himself, no money ever changes hands.
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The "work" is growing the food. I don't have a problem with the banker getting a percentage if you'd like. As it is, the banker does the work and no one gets anything.
When the banker buys the food where does that money go? When he sells the food to someone else, who's giving the banker his money back? Am I crazy in thinking something is missing here?
When the banker buys food, he pays the seller. When he sells, the buyer pays him. It's that simple.
As has been pointed out to you, there is a very easy way to ensure you get paid for your food: put it on the market yourself. Then you'll get the gold.
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Oh, Anaris. No matter how upside down weird anything is, you always see it perfectly right side up and normal.
Hey all that food you have in your fridge, I'm going to take it and sell it all and give you none of the proceeds. Perfectly normal. ::)
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The concept here is simple: You want the profit? Then you do the work. Lock the banker out, and handle it yourself. Then you get every single shiny coin right in your own pocket.
This is the way it works. This is the way it will stay.
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Oh, Anaris. No matter how upside down weird anything is, you always see it perfectly right side up and normal.
Hey all that food you have in your fridge, I'm going to take it and sell it all and give you none of the proceeds. Perfectly normal. ::)
Only if I've explicitly granted you permission to do so.
Furthermore, the food being sold isn't food that you personally purchased for your personal consumption. It's miscellaneous raw produce in granaries, that the peasants in your regions have grown.
It seems to me that your problem is you keep trying to reason by bad analogy.
And, again, just like Indirik says: If you want the profit, then you do the work. Lock the Banker out of your granaries and put the food up for sale yourself, or quit complaining.
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Oh, Anaris. No matter how upside down weird anything is, you always see it perfectly right side up and normal.
Hey all that food you have in your fridge, I'm going to take it and sell it all and give you none of the proceeds. Perfectly normal. ::)
Why do we keep having the same conversation over and over about this? The banker access is optional. If you don't like him poking around your granaries, don't let him. If you want him to do the trading but still earn some gold, come to an arrangement with your banker in order to do so.
Middlemen throughout history have made their money facilitating deals. Often they do so without having to worry about logistics or warehousing, they just have the contacts,skill, knowledge to set up need A with supply B. So it is with the Bankers of Battlemaster.