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BattleMaster => Locals => Dwilight => Topic started by: Igelfeld on June 08, 2011, 03:09:37 AM
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I know there is discussion going on in Dwilight university about the new religion in Asylon, but as I am not currently part of DU i don't know what they are saying. Here is the religion page so far: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Cordatus_Bestiarium consider it a rough draft to be built on by followers of the religion.
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I know there is discussion going on in Dwilight university about the new religion in Asylon, but as I am not currently part of DU i don't know what they are saying. Here is the religion page so far: http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Cordatus_Bestiarium consider it a rough draft to be built on by followers of the religion.
More of a "Heh, some border people took a liking to daimons" than anything. You could perhaps turn it into more than that if you joined up and promoted or talked about it, but not that much discussion going on in the university over that. Daimons are a subject most people are better off ignoring.
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I'm sensing some subjectivity regarding daimons coming from Chenier here.
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It's simply not the best PR move, as it alienates a great deal of people (for various different reasons). Even those who haven't dealt with the Zuma have heard of the BT daimons.
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It's simply not the best PR move, as it alienates a great deal of people (for various different reasons). Even those who haven't dealt with the Zuma have heard of the BT daimons.
I didn't realise that everyone designs their religion in order to maximise the potential recruits. Here I was thinking that some people just make something they think is cool.
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I didn't realise that everyone designs their religion in order to maximise the potential recruits. Here I was thinking that some people just make something they think is cool.
You realize you are saying that to the person that centered a religion around, you know, human sacrifices?
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You realize you are saying that to the person that centered a religion around, you know, human sacrifices?
Which are popular to the sacrificers, I hear. ;)
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Which are popular to the sacrificers, I hear. ;)
True enough. 8)
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Finally hearing about this IC, should be fun times.
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It's funny, Fleugs and I have been hashing something out like this on IRC and in-game on BT for a week now. The idea is that it's the worship of very old gods; ones that thrive where humans don't. That means rogue regions in-game, so the organizing principle is basically "burn most, but not all, of it down!". Theologically, the deity being worshipped is a feminine, darker nature/mother goddess. Her children are the elements, which Fleugs and I have taken to mean elemental daimons. Since the daimons love people treats, ritual means sacrifices to the mother by "feeding" her children. That's being burned alive for fire, drowned for water, buried alive for earth, and—this one belongs to Fleugs—being launched off of cliffs with trebuchets for air.
I'm pretty sure we're moving forward with it in Rio. Fleugs has already done some RP. If anyone is interested, come find us. ;D
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It's funny, Fleugs and I have been hashing something out like this on IRC and in-game on BT for a week now. The idea is that it's the worship of very old gods; ones that thrive where humans don't. That means rogue regions in-game, so the organizing principle is basically "burn most, but not all, of it down!". Theologically, the deity being worshipped is a feminine, darker nature/mother goddess. Her children are the elements, which Fleugs and I have taken to mean elemental daimons. Since the daimons love people treats, ritual means sacrifices to the mother by "feeding" her children. That's being burned alive for fire, drowned for water, buried alive for earth, and—this one belongs to Fleugs—being launched off of cliffs with trebuchets for air.
I'm pretty sure we're moving forward with it in Rio. Fleugs has already done some RP. If anyone is interested, come find us. ;D
Gonna do one more now. Alive burial hasn't been done yet. And also, no trebucheting. I was thinking of hurling burning victims to the walls of an Enweilian city? I already threw a whore off a cliff. *Splash*
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Mithridates will crush your puny bones if you found a daimon worshipping religion in Riombara. You know that, right? :P
Fun rps and all, but daimonworship... nuh-uh.
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Wait, wait. Didn't Riombara spend the last umpteen years condemning Enweil and the Blood Cult for pretty much the same things...? Sounds like your new religion (which is certainly interesting, thank you Fleugs for the RPs) pretty much hits on all the same themes (human sacrifice and a certain unfortunate resemblance to daimon worship) that made people hate the Blood Cult. I am looking forward to the day that your beliefs and practices become public knowledge in Riombara. Should be good to see whether Riombara is as hypocritical as I've always secretly suspected it is...
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It's funny, Fleugs and I have been hashing something out like this on IRC and in-game on BT for a week now. The idea is that it's the worship of very old gods; ones that thrive where humans don't. That means rogue regions in-game, so the organizing principle is basically "burn most, but not all, of it down!". Theologically, the deity being worshipped is a feminine, darker nature/mother goddess. Her children are the elements, which Fleugs and I have taken to mean elemental daimons. Since the daimons love people treats, ritual means sacrifices to the mother by "feeding" her children. That's being burned alive for fire, drowned for water, buried alive for earth, and—this one belongs to Fleugs—being launched off of cliffs with trebuchets for air.
I'm pretty sure we're moving forward with it in Rio. Fleugs has already done some RP. If anyone is interested, come find us. ;D
YES IN RIO PLEASE.
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Wait, wait. Didn't Riombara spend the last umpteen years condemning Enweil and the Blood Cult for pretty much the same things...? Sounds like your new religion (which is certainly interesting, thank you Fleugs for the RPs) pretty much hits on all the same themes (human sacrifice and a certain unfortunate resemblance to daimon worship) that made people hate the Blood Cult. I am looking forward to the day that your beliefs and practices become public knowledge in Riombara. Should be good to see whether Riombara is as hypocritical as I've always secretly suspected it is...
Riombara's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
We know this all too well already.
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Riombara's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
We know this all too well already.
Did the PLAYERS who are trying to get this started engage in the blood cult bashing? Otherwise statements about a general "Riombara" outlook are just stupid. This thread alone has already stated that others in the realm will oppose the formation of such a religion. Now if the same characters that opposed the Blood Cult all signed up for the new religion, that would be hypocrisy.
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Did the PLAYERS who are trying to get this started engage in the blood cult bashing? Otherwise statements about a general "Riombara" outlook are just stupid. This thread alone has already stated that others in the realm will oppose the formation of such a religion. Now if the same characters that opposed the Blood Cult all signed up for the new religion, that would be hypocrisy.
If not explicitly, then tacitly. They also had all the chances in the world to join the Blood Cult.
But most importantly, this would just be one more thing on a very long list of things Riombara has already done and said.
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If not explicitly, then tacitly. They also had all the chances in the world to join the Blood Cult.
But most importantly, this would just be one more thing on a very long list of things Riombara has already done and said.
A group of players doing something in Riombara is not the same as Riombara in general doing something. Now if the entire council is joining I would credit it, otherwise its just an example of internal politics and differences, you know the stuff we are supposed to push for instead of rampant nationalistic viewpoints.
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Ok guys, take the Rio stuff to the Bel board... :P
btw, I play in Rio.
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A group of players doing something in Riombara is not the same as Riombara in general doing something. Now if the entire council is joining I would credit it, otherwise its just an example of internal politics and differences, you know the stuff we are supposed to push for instead of rampant nationalistic viewpoints.
The hypocrisy would be the government then turning a blind eye on it, 'cause they have imperialistic goals to reach.
8)
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Why can't a realm be hypocritical, anyway? I'm not accusing any individual player of being a hypocrite, especially not the players looking at starting the religion. I'm saying that Riombara as an entity, as defined by its historical relations with other realms and its internal political culture for the part of its history I have been aware of, can and probably should be judged to be hypocritical if it tolerates a religion like this within its borders. It matters not who's actually in the government at the time, it would be a complete 180 from everything Riombara has claimed to stand for in the past.
That's why it will be so interesting to see what happens... 8)
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Why can't a realm be hypocritical, anyway? I'm not accusing any individual player of being a hypocrite, especially not the players looking at starting the religion. I'm saying that Riombara as an entity, as defined by its historical relations with other realms and its internal political culture for the part of its history I have been aware of, can and probably should be judged to be hypocritical if it tolerates a religion like this within its borders. It matters not who's actually in the government at the time, it would be a complete 180 from everything Riombara has claimed to stand for in the past.
That's why it will be so interesting to see what happens... 8)
Which is sort of my point. The religion doesn't exist yet, thus the governments response is not know, thus any accusations of hypocrisy based on this religion is a bit premature, even for Chénier
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Which is sort of my point. The religion doesn't exist yet, thus the governments response is not know, thus any accusations of hypocrisy based on this religion is a bit premature, even for Chénier
Well I don't disagree with that. I'm simply reflecting on the possibilities. I think Chenier on the other hand was stating it on principle. He already thinks Riombara is hypocritical for lots and lots of other reasons, irregardless of what might happen with this fascinating new religion...
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I think Chenier on the other hand was stating it on principle. He already thinks Riombara is hypocritical for lots and lots of other reasons, irregardless of what might happen with this fascinating new religion...
It would be hypocritical for Chénier to change his mind at this point, wouldn't it?
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It would be hypocritical for Chénier to change his mind at this point, wouldn't it?
Most certainly. 8)