"Good Mark Received"
I haven't played for many years so some game mechanic things are new to me. One of my knights just recieved "a good mark" by his liege. Does this have a function outside of roleplaying? If so, what?
If you have three good marks, you are immune to action from the Judge, and your oath cannot be dissolved unless you have three bad marks.
Quote from: Bedwyr on June 18, 2011, 09:52:42 PM
If you have three good marks, you are immune to action from the Judge, and your oath cannot be dissolved unless you have three bad marks.
Cool, so who can you get good marks from? Only your liege or other people too? Can you get several from the same person?
Only your liege can give you marks.
Quote from: Bedwyr on June 19, 2011, 12:48:16 AM
Only your liege can give you marks.
Ok, thanks :)
Something that I have been wondering about these marks - is the entire realm informed of them, or only the noble who receives them?
Only the noble.
Lords can see how many marks their knights have. It's listed on the Politics page under You Knights, or something like that.
The only way the judge can find out if someone is protected is to try and punish them. At that point he will either know that the noble has enough to be immune from punishment or not. He can't tell the exact amount.
No one else can see how many good/bad marks someone has. A knight can't even tell how many he has, unless he keeps track himself.
A knight can see how many he has.
play-politics -> OathView has the "Your standing" field. Under it is your +/-
The only limitation of the knight is he can't know what marks other knights have.
Oh, hey, cool. I never knew that was there. Thanks!
More people should use good marks. ;)
Quote from: Foundation on June 22, 2011, 04:26:46 PM
More people should use good marks. ;)
There are very little incentives to, unless you are expecting trouble with your judge.
Also, I await for the possibility for dukes to grant good and bad marks to their lords.
Quote from: Chénier on June 24, 2011, 02:08:05 AM
There are very little incentives to, unless you are expecting trouble with your judge.
Also, I await for the possibility for dukes to grant good and bad marks to their lords.
I do it mainly for RP purposes. I've also found that a bad mark generally gets one of my knights to stop ignoring me.
At some point in the past rulers could give bad marks to dukes. I got a bad mark from Arden Fury when I was Duke of Rettleville. It was lols.
Quote from: Artemesia on June 24, 2011, 02:20:10 AM
At some point in the past rulers could give bad marks to dukes. I got a bad mark from Arden Fury when I was Duke of Rettleville. It was lols.
Ahhh the Fury family. I remember when Arden showed up in PeL and lectured us on how our "legal" system should work in the realm. I think the dispute was about him simply joining the realm so he and his little group could drain our RC's in their attempt to found yet another colony.
It's been on the wiki. Fancy that, really. I thought he was a really dumb ruler, really. Had no idea how to run a realm as was quite evident in Ordenstaat's stagnating slow and steady decay. Though they did hold out for a really long time.
Quote from: Artemesia on June 24, 2011, 02:28:05 AM
It's been on the wiki. Fancy that, really. I thought he was a really dumb ruler, really. Had no idea how to run a realm as was quite evident in Ordenstaat's stagnating slow and steady decay. Though they did hold out for a really long time.
I got the impression that he was very much a "do it my way" kind of guy. In some realms that works, mostly it just alienates the player base.
Quote from: Artemesia on June 24, 2011, 02:20:10 AM
At some point in the past rulers could give bad marks to dukes. I got a bad mark from Arden Fury when I was Duke of Rettleville. It was lols.
Yes, rulers can do that to dukes. I want dukes to do it to lords.
Quote from: Chénier on June 24, 2011, 03:12:25 AM
Yes, rulers can do that to dukes. I want dukes to do it to lords.
Certainly makes sense to me.
So what happens if you get 3 bad marks?
As a Duke or just a knight.
As a knight, the liege then has the option of renouncing the oath, thus making the knight no longer...a knight of that region.
For dukes, I am not sure nowadays, but I believe it means the ruler can then force a secession.
Quote from: De-Legro on June 24, 2011, 03:15:35 AM
Certainly makes sense to me.
except there's no such thing as duchy region->imperial region.
I think what is desired there is that a duke can do it only to lords in his own duchy. Imperial lords would, as the name implies, be subject to those marks by the ruler.
But what would you do to a Lord with 3 bad marks? The equivalent of forced secession would be to force the region to become imperial.
what happens to an imperial lord with 3 bad marks from the ruler?
bear in mind, bad mark is not a tool to remove someone from a lordship position.
now.. all that can have relevance with the new map/hierarchy/in-realm conflicts.
Quote from: fodder on June 25, 2011, 11:49:18 AM
what happens to an imperial lord with 3 bad marks from the ruler?
bear in mind, bad mark is not a tool to remove someone from a lordship position.
It could make sense, though. It would only be possible to remove a Lord if both the rulers and all neighboring Dukes agreed; any Duke wishing to protect the Lord could do so. It's not extremely overpowered.
not really. just ban him if you want to be rid of him. or stab or some such. (auto da fe? is that to imp lord or imp knight? forgot again)
It's not like I'm looking for a new way to expel Lords. I'm just saying if the marks system was extended throughout the hierarchy, it would make sense for it to work that way, and it would not be unbalancing much.
Quote from: vonGenf on June 25, 2011, 02:34:11 PM
It's not like I'm looking for a new way to expel Lords. I'm just saying if the marks system was extended throughout the hierarchy, it would make sense for it to work that way, and it would not be unbalancing much.
I agree.
well.. you just get around the idea that you can't remove titles from lords..
Quote from: vonGenf on June 25, 2011, 02:34:11 PM
It's not like I'm looking for a new way to expel Lords. I'm just saying if the marks system was extended throughout the hierarchy, it would make sense for it to work that way, and it would not be unbalancing much.
Agreed, I don't really care for a new option to remove lords either. What I *do* want is an option to protect my vassals from the judge, if so I wish.