Please only post here if you are from Asylon.
Here is the place where we can Out of characterly improve Asylon as a place for players to have fun. Try and keep it Out of Character and not to talk about IC matters. Here is a list of questions that you might want to answer:
Are you provided with a suitable income to recruit a decent unit and maintain them?
Do you feel the atmosphere is appropriately SMA?
Is the ruler trying to make an effort to try and provide interest in the realm?
What do you think is making you stay in Asylon?
Are you feeling ignored from the ruler and council members?
Is there good amounts excitement and action in Asylon?
Feel free to write a review or criticism about Asylon. Now I don't really want to determine what direction the realm should IG but instead try and find out how we can try and include everyone and help people to become more involved in the realm. I want you to try and contribute as much as you want to Asylon so that we can a realm that is interesting, fun and exciting for all players to partake in.
QuoteAre you provided with a suitable income to recruit a decent unit and maintain them?
Indeed, As the Duke of Echiur I find it harder to find recruits to the recruitmentcenter then actually recruit and maintain a large unit, my dear City Guards tend to run headlong into battle and get themselves killed, So I need more hours to recruit! =D.
QuoteDo you feel the atmosphere is appropriately SMA?
Yes, i find most of our correnspondence within the realm is very appropriet, and so is the moments of Roleplay that plays out in the realm.
QuoteIs the ruler trying to make an effort to try and provide interest in the realm?
Yes, BUT it is not only the rulers job, myself i try to indulge some of our members in various correnspondence and action, myself ive been slacking of on the RP bit, but even so, there is plenty going on in the realm, atleast what I've seen. Religion, battles with monsters and region grooming.
QuoteWhat do you think is making you stay in Asylon?
A merry bunch of people, hehe, I like the characters we have, i like the fact that we had plenty of IC conflict that has been overcomed, the religious turmoil and to see if our diplomatic skill will keep us alive. And ofc the responsibility of my Duchy =D.
QuoteAre you feeling ignored from the ruler and council members?
No.
QuoteIs there good amounts excitement and action in Asylon?
Yes. But we need more Knights to make it even more interesting. Atleast that what i think is the main issue for us, the one thing that keeps us from growing even stronger.
Quote from: Adriddae on July 20, 2011, 09:24:55 PM
Please only post here if you are from Asylon.
Here is the place where we can Out of characterly improve Asylon as a place for players to have fun. Try and keep it Out of Character and not to talk about IC matters. Here is a list of questions that you might want to answer:
Are you provided with a suitable income to recruit a decent unit and maintain them?
Do you feel the atmosphere is appropriately SMA?
Is the ruler trying to make an effort to try and provide interest in the realm?
What do you think is making you stay in Asylon?
Are you feeling ignored from the ruler and council members?
Is there good amounts excitement and action in Asylon?
Feel free to write a review or criticism about Asylon. Now I don't really want to determine what direction the realm should IG but instead try and find out how we can try and include everyone and help people to become more involved in the realm. I want you to try and contribute as much as you want to Asylon so that we can a realm that is interesting, fun and exciting for all players to partake in.
1. Yes, I am fairly well off with my region income.
2. SMA, yes it's good.
3. Yes, I have found all of our rulers to be very good at what they do. We have been lucky since the popular revolution... :P
4. Why stay in Asylon?: We are the underdogs, we are isolated by distance, by neighbors, by strategic placement of our city, yet we have managed to found 3 different religion temples. Maintained our central core of original nobles, fought back and overcame hordes of monsters, expanded and staved off the wrath of Caerwyn. United our peoples as one, overcame religious issues to a good degree. Asylon is a nation united by our differences, we are strong because of it.
5. I don't get enough attention :P
6. Like Grimrog said, we need knights. We do well enough with the handful we have but in order to be better we need the manpower. Currently too few of us have too many different jobs. The selling point of joining Asylon is this... You are insured power and land.
For what its worth, most of us in Terran are rooting for you. You're a friendly realm that shares our commitment to moderate policies towards SA. You are involved in our cultural sphere of guilds and whatnot, often provide interesting entertainment, and ya'll are ballsy. Worshipping daimons, fighting the monsters, and breaking a treaty with Caerwyn.
Whether Asylon is fun internally or not, it's great fun for your neighbors.
I think Asylon is fun internally, the main thing is we all have very different personalities. Moritz was very diplomatic, Hengist and I clash on Caerwyn issues all the time, yet I have deep respect for his character ooG. Randemicos helped me found Thulsoma and was the general there the whole time and moved with me across to Asylon and served as general on and off here, I don't know anything about him in RL, but we have been a good team, I respect how independent he is. Zhoeysa brings a lot to the team by being an outsider from Aquilegia and now our Queen. Grimrog is our ale swilling barbarian. Priest Geg of VE has been a friend of Glaumring's way before even Thulsoma and huge reason why I went to Asylon. And Redemption II is solid as a rock and works hard on his region. We have a few new nobles that have stuck around now for a while and we are starting to get to know them better, I hope they stay long. They are our future.
Yes, I like everyone in the realm. They all add something even if my character doesn't agree with them. I'm hoping to see our new nobles be fleshed out more so that we can have a pretty diverse crowd in a small realm.
Hehe, by the way, Redemption II is a woman. The only other one besides Zhoesya. ;)
Quote from: Adriddae on July 21, 2011, 05:18:39 AM
Yes, I like everyone in the realm. They all add something even if my character doesn't agree with them. I'm hoping to see our new nobles be fleshed out more so that we can have a pretty diverse crowd in a small realm.
Hehe, by the way, Redemption II is a woman. The only other one besides Zhoesya. ;)
Yeah, I always mess up that one. It's like the ambassador from Terran 'Labell' always called him a girl.
Quote from: Vellos on July 21, 2011, 01:59:46 AM
For what its worth, most of us in Terran are rooting for you. You're a friendly realm that shares our commitment to moderate policies towards SA. You are involved in our cultural sphere of guilds and whatnot, often provide interesting entertainment, and ya'll are ballsy. Worshipping daimons, fighting the monsters, and breaking a treaty with Caerwyn.
Whether Asylon is fun internally or not, it's great fun for your neighbors.
Only post if you are from Asylon!!!!!!
Jeeeez some people...
Quote from: Raz on July 21, 2011, 11:05:16 AM
Only post if you are from Asylon!!!!!!
LOL think of the bloodpressure kid ^_^'
Quote from: Adriddae on July 20, 2011, 09:24:55 PM
Please only post here if you are from Asylon.
Here is the place where we can Out of characterly improve Asylon as a place for players to have fun. Try and keep it Out of Character and not to talk about IC matters. Here is a list of questions that you might want to answer:
Are you provided with a suitable income to recruit a decent unit and maintain them?
Do you feel the atmosphere is appropriately SMA?
Is the ruler trying to make an effort to try and provide interest in the realm?
What do you think is making you stay in Asylon?
Are you feeling ignored from the ruler and council members?
Is there good amounts excitement and action in Asylon?
Feel free to write a review or criticism about Asylon. Now I don't really want to determine what direction the realm should IG but instead try and find out how we can try and include everyone and help people to become more involved in the realm. I want you to try and contribute as much as you want to Asylon so that we can a realm that is interesting, fun and exciting for all players to partake in.
1. Yes!
2. Yes!
3. Yup!
4. First small realm in a while that actually seems to have some interesting characters and not trying to just simply conquer everything. *cough* Avenel *cough* Melodia *cough*
5. Nope!
6. Obviously more knights, but I think it would be cool to have a niche for our realm. I know we are all chummy with the Zuma so it might be cool if we used that to attract more knights.
I don't mind other posting here! ;D
Haha yeah I was just kidding. I just thought the first line of the topic was kinda funny. "only post if you are from Asylon"
But that's what I get for using sarcasm on the internet :P
Quote from: Raz on July 22, 2011, 07:36:49 PM
Haha yeah I was just kidding. I just thought the first line of the topic was kinda funny. "only post if you are from Asylon"
But that's what I get for using sarcasm on the internet :P
I thought we told you to stop posting here! ;)
It was kinda of a joke since I couldn't stop you anyways, other than complain loudly. ;)
I would like to also suggest that Asylonians join the Véinsørmoot guild hall in Terran if they ever find their way down there. It is not entirely important that you do as many of their going on's do not directly affect us, yet there is a need for communication with Messoccidans (us) and the Maroccidans (them) as we are all sort of in the same area together and the Véinsørmoot seems to be one of the more active guilds in this region. Also, if requested and a need was made, I could fund the building of a guildhouse in Asylon.
Haha oh glaumring you're just like the trix bunny.
Silly Asylonians, the Veinsormoot's for the Maroccidens!
Haha jk it's a good idea to join even if you're from Asylon.
Quote from: Raz on July 23, 2011, 11:42:13 PM
Haha oh glaumring you're just like the trix bunny.
Silly Asylonians, the Veinsormoot's for the Maroccidens!
Haha jk it's a good idea to join even if you're from Asylon.
I wish there was a 'like ' function. ;D
Quote from: Raz on July 23, 2011, 11:42:13 PM
Silly Asylonians, the Veinsormoot's for the Maroccidens!.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
The second age of the Echuirean kingdom begins today.
Quote from: Glaumring on September 04, 2011, 09:28:48 PM
The second age of the Echuirean kingdom begins today.
Hells to the YES! Amandil gunna have his head on a stake!
Where are all the haters that said Asylon couldn't take Itau?
With Caerwyn's nobles and regions, I assumed it was just a matter of time. Will Itau actually be able to put up a fight?
No, in all but formalities it is already taken.
Quote from: Graeth on September 08, 2011, 10:29:04 PM
No, in all but formalities it is already taken.
Famous last words.
We seem to have stalled with too many regions being overrun by monsters and undead and too few nobles to hold an army together. The last two weeks have been rather miserable.
Huh. Looks like it will be time soon to stir the pot a little... 8)
Quote from: Morningstar on October 08, 2011, 05:33:34 PM
Famous last words.
We seem to have stalled with too many regions being overrun by monsters and undead and too few nobles to hold an army together. The last two weeks have been rather miserable.
Looks like Asylon's vastly spread out empire needs rationalization.
Suggestion: take Koshtlom and Itau. Drop some rurals. Let the Zuma starve.
We're fine now, problem was coordination and stagnating regions and moving nobles over to the regions we are keeping etc. Everything west of Mech Alb will remain ours anything east of it is going to the new realm in Farrowfield. The collapse of Caerwyn caused a lot of rogue region monsters to flourish, we have gotten that in control and now we are on the cusp of finishing of Itau once and for all.
Quote from: Vellos on October 09, 2011, 02:44:54 AM
Looks like Asylon's vastly spread out empire needs rationalization.
Suggestion: take Koshtlom and Itau. Drop some rurals. Let the Zuma starve.
But if we let the Zuma starve, how are we then going to get our "+500 Flaming swords" and "Armors of demonic powers"?....
--- On a more serious note ---
I think we will manage just fine now once all our nobles had the chance to refit and get organized, wasnt too easy traveling the land in small groups or solo when monster hordes sprung up and formed bottlenecks.
I JUST LOVE MY +500 Ring of Roleplay , Haktoo gave me. 8)
Quote from: Vellos on October 09, 2011, 02:44:54 AM
Looks like Asylon's vastly spread out empire needs rationalization.
Suggestion: take Koshtlom and Itau. Drop some rurals. Let the Zuma starve.
Nah, just sell to D'Hara instead, and let us feed the Zuma. ;)
There are quite a few powerful people who want to keep feeding the Zuma, and religion is playing a part of that as well. Also, the Zuma are so very nice, who would want them to starve?
Quote from: Igelfeld on October 14, 2011, 02:56:41 AM
There are quite a few powerful people who want to keep feeding the Zuma, and religion is playing a part of that as well. Also, the Zuma are so very nice, who would want them to starve?
So D'Hara can become the supplier instead, of course! :)
Quote from: Igelfeld on October 14, 2011, 02:56:41 AM
There are quite a few powerful people who want to keep feeding the Zuma, and religion is playing a part of that as well. Also, the Zuma are so very nice, who would want them to starve?
Not to mention to pay well for the food. I hope we can get more gold out of the sales though.
Quote from: Igelfeld on October 14, 2011, 02:56:41 AM
There are quite a few powerful people who want to keep feeding the Zuma
::)
Funny how Chenier just stopped trading with us...
Now we can send everything!
Quote from: Nosferatus on October 18, 2011, 12:07:27 PM
::)
Funny how Chenier just stopped trading with us...
Now we can send everything!
Funny how little it would take to have the moot support Aurvandil. They aren't so smug with their food supplies, after all. ;D
And I didn't stop trading with you. You just arbitrarily decided that a price that was more than enough for everyone else on the continent wasn't good enough for you. And why should I have you bankrupt me if our traders can buy food in your city for cheaper instead?
Quote from: Chénier on October 18, 2011, 01:57:49 PM
Funny how little it would take to have the moot support Aurvandil. They aren't so smug with their food supplies, after all. ;D
Nah i think the moot has more honor than just going to the cheapest exporter, not looking at what they really are.
Like everything except a republic or 'good' and 'just' in the Moots republican ideology.
The moot is not that cheap as you describe it, your character is just cheap. ;)
QuoteAnd I didn't stop trading with you. You just arbitrarily decided that a price that was more than enough for everyone else on the continent wasn't good enough for you. And why should I have you bankrupt me if our traders can buy food in your city for cheaper instead?
lets keep this discusion IC, its more fun.
I am not going to explain everything OOCly as well, i see no point to that.
Its a typical domination discussion, who is more dominant, can your character alone decide to alter the conditions of stable and friendly business relations or not and what are the consequences.
Quote from: Nosferatus on October 18, 2011, 05:29:52 PM
Nah i think the moot has more honor than just going to the cheapest exporter, not looking at what they really are.
Like everything except a republic or 'good' and 'just' in the Moots republican ideology.
The moot is not that cheap as you describe it, your character is just cheap. ;)
Republican, good, just? That's to be a *member* of the 'moot. Not a criteria to be allies. I don't think anyone really cares for the system of governance of outsiders all that much unless to has to do with adhesion to the 'moot.
And I don't think many view Madina as "good" and "just". Greedy, mischievous, and bidding your time to cause us trouble again once Aurvandil is gone is more like it.
Quote from: Chénier on October 18, 2011, 05:58:37 PM
And I don't think many view Madina as "good" and "just". Greedy, mischievous, and bidding your time to cause us trouble again once Aurvandil is gone is more like it.
Agreed.
Quote from: Chénier on October 18, 2011, 05:58:37 PM
And I don't think many view Madina as "good" and "just". Greedy, mischievous, and bidding your time to cause us trouble again once Aurvandil is gone is more like it.
haha
perhaps Madina and D'haras fued is still rooted deep in distrust of each other.
Don't worry, where not stupid, Paisly is really a hard pressed objective, no one with brains will ever attempt that again.
Or did our armies impress you THAT much from our current civil war?
What i ment was solemnly from your ideological point of view.
Madina and the Moot shares it's republican system and free or near free markets.
While the rebels are following an absolute monarch.
and be fair, when have you ever had some city offer you any amount of food you'd possibly need for a long time deal, that proofed to be stable and consistent in its deliveries?
Its perfect for you to do what you want, to export your food for almost double the price with the zuma, who offer long term buying agreements for extremely high prices.
I don't get it.
Quote from: Nosferatus on October 18, 2011, 06:40:26 PM
haha
perhaps Madina and D'haras fued is still rooted deep in distrust of each other.
Don't worry, where not stupid, Paisly is really a hard pressed objective, no one with brains will ever attempt that again.
Or did our armies impress you THAT much from our current civil war?
What i ment was solemnly from your ideological point of view.
Madina and the Moot shares it's republican system and free or near free markets.
While the rebels are following an absolute monarch.
and be fair, when have you ever had some city offer you any amount of food you'd possibly need for a long time deal, that proofed to be stable and consistent in its deliveries?
Its perfect for you to do what you want, to export your food for almost double the price with the zuma, who offer long term buying agreements for extremely high prices.
I don't get it.
If you saw Paisly's tax income, you'd understand. By sending manual caravans or traders, he can be sure to not bankrupt Paisly again.
Besides, why are you complaining? I just bought 500 bushels off you.
We import food from every corner of the continent, and on the long term Barca should be able to feed us at a lesser price.
I've run calculations the other day and came to the conclusion that D'Hara will need *massive* investments in terms of warehouses if it is to become a strong trade hub that doesn't need to worry about its own starvation. Trade with the Zuma could allow to finance this in part, but we don't have any traders available off the bat to do this, and re-assigning one would take time. We also don't have any estimates as far as population growth right now, and since the last time we sold them food we had our worst starvation in ages, there's some reluctance to get rid of these stocks.
The prices we were paying for Aurvandil and Madina are considerably greater than what we pay anywhere else, and the massive deficits it causes prevents the accumulation of capital necessary to invest in warehouses. As such, to rely on food imports of that price is simply unsustainable, as demand will only continue to increase. Considering that to get to the Zuma Madinian traders would need to pass by D'Hara, nobody really believes Madina has any other significant trading parters to export all of their goods to, and therefore conclude that they should get the same price everyone else does.
As for relations, it's not so much of a fear of a colonization attempt of Paisly anymore as how hard it is to become friendly with someone who bleeds you dry and talks as if you would be nothing without them.
And indeed, as egamma said, Paisly's finances are pitiful. If I were greedy, I'd ask for my old title as Marquis of Paisland.
Luria can use all of Madina's food production, you know. Or it can once Giask and all the rest of the cities finish repopulating.
So isn't it time you start fighting amongst yourselves again then? ;)
Quote from: Bedwyr on October 18, 2011, 08:10:16 PM
Luria can use all of Madina's food production, you know. Or it can once Giask and all the rest of the cities finish repopulating.
Yea, I'm sure Giask will be calling Madina in 10 years or so for that.
Considering the Lurias, they'd be more interested into bullying someone for that food than to buy it at 50 gold per unit.
Luria Nova is having rather large surpluses right now.
Quote from: JPierreD on October 18, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
Luria Nova is having rather large surpluses right now.
Indeed.
Quote from: JPierreD on October 18, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
Luria Nova is having rather large surpluses right now.
Not enough to feed Giask at full pop, I'd wager. And it won't be that long until it is, not with the number of people it has and borders with Askileon and OG.
Quote from: Bedwyr on October 18, 2011, 10:25:06 PM
Not enough to feed Giask at full pop, I'd wager. And it won't be that long until it is, not with the number of people it has and borders with Askileon and OG.
I have my doubts, Giask still has 50 000 peasants to grow. And even if they do, they have rurals they can still expand to.
And *even* if they don't acquire any new regions, and even if Giask grows to full population, my calculations show a good food surplus, even with pessimistic production hypothesis to compensate for monster raids.
So yea... Madina got an economic trading boom due to the fact that D'Hara had a bunch of cities close to each other, and not enough rurals to expand to to feed them. Plus estate needs prevented us from taking the east again for a very long time. However, this is unique, as other realms can usually acquire rurals at a rate that prevents any new acquisition from putting them in a deficit. The only thing that could *temporarily* change this would be a Darfix colony, as last time it was tried the city grew too fast for the rurals to compensate. But if the rurals are settled first, there will never be on Dwilight any realm other than D'Hara with a chronic food shortage. D'Hara and the Zuma, obviously.
Hence why nobody really takes these threats of "we'll sell it elsewhere!" very seriously, considering that we didn't threaten to stop purchases and even the new temporary lowered prices are still the best buy prices of the continent that I know of at this time.
Awesome...ok can we get the southern dwilight trade crew thread split off from the ever important Asylon thread so I can have to expound the awesomeness of Asylon for the umpteenth time?
So far LN or rather fulco has bought all madina food he could get at a decent price. Food should be plenty in Luria...just you cant ever have enough
Yeah and then there is Sanguis Astroism!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!
Asylon who?
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on October 19, 2011, 01:29:35 PM
Asylon who plays with monsters...
Those who wish they were monsters.
Monsters please stop attacking already this is insane!
Our food production at our current level puts us at 4th in the entire land of Dwilight, not bad for an insignificant little kingdom. Perhaps more than "Asylon who?" the question should be "Asylon when?"
Quote from: Glaumring on October 20, 2011, 05:39:16 AM
Our food production at our current level puts us at 4th in the entire land of Dwilight, not bad for an insignificant little kingdom. Perhaps more than "Asylon who?" the question should be "Asylon when?"
It helped that half of Caerwyn switched to you. ;)
Yes of course and we don't deny their contribution to our realm. Expect to be doing a lot of business with us in the future.
Quote from: Glaumring on October 20, 2011, 06:02:36 AM
Yes of course and we don't deny their contribution to our realm. Expect to be doing a lot of business with us in the future.
Less than I was doing with Caerwyn before the big ugly war, I would think, but still. A few of your regions are accessible to my caravans, so trade has already begun. They don't tend to have much food available though, and the trek is much riskier now with all these rogue regions in the way.
Which will no longer be rogue shortly, trust me on that.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on October 20, 2011, 06:52:52 AM
Which will no longer be rogue shortly, trust me on that.
A trading partner?
It's a secret.
We'll see in due time, I guess.
Quote from: Glaumring on October 20, 2011, 01:57:55 AMMonsters please stop attacking already this is insane!
Welcome to the realities of a large frontier realm. Until now, you've mostly been shielded form the monsters by Caerwyn to your east and the Zuma to your south. But now Caerwyn's gone, all those rogue-spawning regions have taken their place, and you're trying to hold more territory than you've ever had to deal with before.
If you want to be a big realm, then you have to act like a big realm. Because, honestly, with a 6K CS army you're going to be quickly reduced to the tiny little thing you were before all those Caerwynians joined you. You simply cannot defend the territory you have with that tiny police force.
Why do you think Astrum has a nearly 35k CS army?
Quote from: Indirik on October 20, 2011, 05:24:53 PM
Welcome to the realities of a large frontier realm. Until now, you've mostly been shielded form the monsters by Caerwyn to your east and the Zuma to your south. But now Caerwyn's gone, all those rogue-spawning regions have taken their place, and you're trying to hold more territory than you've ever had to deal with before.
If you want to be a big realm, then you have to act like a big realm. Because, honestly, with a 6K CS army you're going to be quickly reduced to the tiny little thing you were before all those Caerwynians joined you. You simply cannot defend the territory you have with that tiny police force.
Why do you think Astrum has a nearly 35k CS army?
Shoulda helped Caerwyn out instead of trying to double-cross them! Silly Asylon.
Perhaps we should call upon our families to fund our massive army! We are working on our army . And frankly Caerwyn didnt stop many of our monster attacks those came steadily from barrowspeak upper/ lower via and beyond, until I took Lowervia and created a buffer when Caerwyn finally took Uppervia and fortress Via.
There are not many realms on Dwilight that go 13 to 31 overnight, expect some hiccups.
Let us also not forget that Astrum has had large amounts of nobles and years to be awesome. Asylon is still a young realm that struggled in poverty and lack of nobles for most of its history. We are the Vietnam of Dwilight.
Quote from: Chénier on October 20, 2011, 05:51:32 PM
Shoulda helped Caerwyn out instead of trying to double-cross them! Silly Asylon.
Double-cross them? please elaborate, since I was part Asylons Government during the final stages of Caerwyns existance. And I dont remember any "double-crossings"...
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on October 20, 2011, 07:21:41 PM
Double-cross them? please elaborate, since I was part Asylons Government during the final stages of Caerwyns existance. And I dont remember any "double-crossings"...
Well, taking regions that the treaties said were Caerwyn's for one, and the whole religious affairs.
We took the region to keep the monsters back. I dont think many people actually know what was going on between us but there was no backroom dealings or doublecrosses, Caerwyn made us into an enemy and we were not, we were isolated and willing to work with Caerwyn, they chose to ignore us diplomatically so we did what we wanted for attention. Taking Lowervia was a message to them, work with us, or we will work around you. We are not subordinate, but we are also not the enemy.
Quote from: Glaumring on October 20, 2011, 06:15:36 PMAnd frankly Caerwyn didnt stop many of our monster attacks those came steadily from barrowspeak upper/ lower via and beyond, until I took Lowervia and created a buffer when Caerwyn finally took Uppervia and fortress Via.
The very fact that Caerwyn existed kept the monster spawn down in vast areas of land. There are now an extra 12 or so rogue regions to your east, where all those nice monsters can spawn and attack you. The very fact that you're getting buried now should really show you how much Caerwyn was blocking.
Ok ok lets rebuild Caerwyn!
Already on it.
Except that it won't really be Caerwyn. It will just be located where Caerwyn used to be. 8)
Eh, same thing. Dont fuss the details!
Quote from: Glaumring on October 20, 2011, 08:30:34 PM
Ok ok lets rebuild Caerwyn!
I'm assuming there's a good chance they'll want some of that land that you now have and that used to belong to Caerwyn. :P
We'll see how many nobles actually join the new realm. Astrum and Morek are going lose a lot of nobles to founding Niselur and the new farrowfield duchy. And I dont know where everyone is getting the idea that Morek/ Astrum has reason to be hostile to Asylon. Our queen is an Astroist from Aquilegia, our kingdom allows Astroist priests, a good portion of our nobles are astroist, We are in good standing with Allison , if anything they are going need our help and cooperation. Not conflict. We have stated that lands west of Mech alb are ours. No Astrum troops have set foot in that area as far as we know.
Actually, Astrum is going to lose a lot of nobles to founding this. Then they can figure out how they are going to manage a Niselur colony. Muahahahahaha!
Quote from: Glaumring on October 20, 2011, 09:14:27 PM
We'll see how many nobles actually join the new realm. Astrum and Morek are going lose a lot of nobles to founding Niselur and the new farrowfield duchy. And I dont know where everyone is getting the idea that Morek/ Astrum has reason to be hostile to Asylon. Our queen is an Astroist from Aquilegia, our kingdom allows Astroist priests, a good portion of our nobles are astroist, We are in good standing with Allison , if anything they are going need our help and cooperation. Not conflict. We have stated that lands west of Mech alb are ours. No Astrum troops have set foot in that area as far as we know.
Well, they don't have any reason to go into your lands... yet.
The realms south of Golden Farrow also allow SA and have SA nobles and priests.
Also, Niselur again, seriously? I hope they hav a LOT of food with them this time... At full pop, that city requires
more than 300 bushels a day. And from what I gather happened last time, population increases pretty darn fast in that region.
Asylon will have the food, providing they have the pay. 8)
Quote from: Glaumring on October 20, 2011, 11:19:27 PM
Asylon will have the food, providing they have the pay. 8)
Or, I dare say, the army.
Quote from: Chénier on October 20, 2011, 10:37:47 PMAlso, Niselur again, seriously?
You bet.
Cities are like Pokemon: Gotta catch 'em all!
Quote from: Glaumring on October 20, 2011, 09:14:27 PMAnd I dont know where everyone is getting the idea that Morek/ Astrum has reason to be hostile to Asylon.
Mrh? Why would Astrum and Asylon be hostile? Except for the fact that half of Asylon are Caerwyn refugees.
You guys still have Baal the Betrayer with you?
Quote from: Indirik on October 21, 2011, 02:36:58 AM
Mrh? Why would Astrum and Asylon be hostile? Except for the fact that half of Asylon are Caerwyn refugees.
You guys still have Baal the Betrayer with you?
They do. :P
Baal is leaving after we destroy Itaulond, he is mainly just tying up some loose ends. Stop trying to dig up reasons to be hostile, its as bad as dealing with Caerwyn under Baal. Everytime I leave a response you have another come back response, its like a wolf chasing a rabbit through its holes, everytime you think you got me, I pop up somewhere else clean and clear.
Quote from: Glaumring on October 21, 2011, 02:47:29 AM
Baal is leaving after we destroy Itaulond, he is mainly just tying up some loose ends. Stop trying to dig up reasons to be hostile, its as bad as dealing with Caerwyn under Baal. Everytime I leave a response you have another come back response, its like a wolf chasing a rabbit through its holes, everytime you think you got me, I pop up somewhere else clean and clear.
Are they looking for reasons to be hostile or are they hostile and just looking for reasons to justify the stance to the world at large? Two VERY different things.
No wolf will catch me for I am the fox Glaumring Apasurain!
Quote from: Glaumring on October 21, 2011, 03:43:57 AM
No wolf will catch me for I am the fox Glaumring Apasurain!
Wasnt you a rabbit just now? :o
Quote from: Chénier on October 20, 2011, 07:34:51 PM
Well, taking regions that the treaties said were Caerwyn's for one, and the whole religious affairs.
We took them to stop monster spawn, and we intended to return them once Caerwyn was ready to keep them. But i belive their government was pretty much ignoring ours.
Religious affairs? How was it a issue for Caerwyn if we have a tolerant society in Asylon where each Noble and Lord are free to worship whatever they choose? Not all nations are crusaders that goes over the map burning and looting... :)
In order to counter Caerwyn's fundamentalism we decided to allow all religions a place in Asylon, in the logic that if ever the country was destroyed there would be a nest of religions and culture that would have spread around the land.
VE lost it's stance as a true religion when Caerwyn used it as an excuse to rape and pillage Astrum. Political members of VE were just looking to start a religious war, while the leaders sat back silently. Instead of being a different beast from SA entirely, they just turned it into the other side of the same coin.
Quote from: Graeth on October 21, 2011, 05:23:19 AM
VE lost it's stance as a true religion when Caerwyn used it as an excuse to rape and pillage Astrum. Political members of VE were just looking to start a religious war, while the leaders sat back silently. Instead of being a different beast from SA entirely, they just turned it into the other side of the same coin.
I have no idea where you got this. Verdis Elementum has always had the stance to ignore Sanguis Astroism. There never was any call for arms against SA in Verdis Elementum channels, nor any message about justifying any looting act.
If some low-ranking nobles invoked it to justify their actions, then in no way can you extend this to the religion as a whole. I'm not even sure if any of the VE elders were even members of Caerwyn in the later days...
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on October 21, 2011, 04:39:13 AM
Wasnt you a rabbit just now? :o
Glaumring is both the rabbit and the fox...always alert... Ever scheming .
Quote from: Graeth on October 21, 2011, 05:23:19 AM
VE lost it's stance as a true religion when Caerwyn used it as an excuse to rape and pillage Astrum. Political members of VE were just looking to start a religious war, while the leaders sat back silently. Instead of being a different beast from SA entirely, they just turned it into the other side of the same coin.
Actually, nearly all the wars that have ended up favorably for SA were started by someone else. Libero and Raivan Empire ganging up on Xinhai. Averoth intervening in a crusade. Caerwyn breaking a federation to attack Astrum. We didn't start these, but we certainly finished them.
Quote from: Glaumring on October 21, 2011, 07:04:21 AM
Glaumring is both the rabbit and the fox...always alert... Ever scheming .
Glaumring would be a duck, if Glaumring knew what a duck was. ;)
Quote from: Chénier on October 21, 2011, 06:25:58 AMI have no idea where you got this. Verdis Elementum has always had the stance to ignore Sanguis Astroism. There never was any call for arms against SA in Verdis Elementum channels, nor any message about justifying any looting act.
If some low-ranking nobles invoked it to justify their actions, then in no way can you extend this to the religion as a whole. I'm not even sure if any of the VE elders were even members of Caerwyn in the later days...
There were some messages passed around in Caerwyn, that got passed along to Astrum, about Caerwyn claiming they were using "secular means to fight a religious war". I don't remember the exact content or context of them. Caerwyn's government was also heavily backing VE as a shield against the encroachment of SA, and officially endorsed it.
Whether or not the actions taken by Caerwyn were endorsed or initiated by VE, there is a strong impression that VE was involved. And since Caerwyn specifically was targeting SA, I think it's pretty natural for people to place blame on Caaerwyn's religion in turn.
Having said that, I don't think too many people in SA really care about VE, now that Caerwyn is dead. Vengeance has been delivered.
Quote from: Indirik on October 21, 2011, 03:38:04 PM
Having said that, I don't think too many people in SA really care about VE, now that Caerwyn is dead. Vengeance has been delivered.
Good. I tried to make sure that nobody use VE tools (priests notably) against SA. I didn't want D'Hara to plunge along with Caerwyn.
I tried to make sure in my messages to never mix religion with politics and called for SA to stop that practice, an IC view we had of them.
I am not sure what Amandil said in private messages but he was the one to order the rape and pillaging when most of us found ways to not follow (Oops, I am a Cavalier and do not have that option, sorry) those Orders while publicly calling him out against them. I believe (I cannot remember since it has been so long) I sent him a private message about those Orders as Archon but it was not heeded.
Quote from: Beldragos on October 22, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
I tried to make sure in my messages to never mix religion with politics and called for SA to stop that practice, an IC view we had of them.
I am not sure what Amandil said in private messages but he was the one to order the rape and pillaging when most of us found ways to not follow (Oops, I am a Cavalier and do not have that option, sorry) those Orders while publicly calling him out against them. I believe (I cannot remember since it has been so long) I sent him a private message about those Orders as Archon but it was not heeded.
Since we're in medieval times, asking for a separation for religion and politics is like asking for a separation of politics and science nowadays. People would just be like, "the !@#$ is this guy on about?"
Quote from: Shenron on October 22, 2011, 10:46:41 AM
Since we're in medieval times, asking for a separation for religion and politics is like asking for a separation of politics and science nowadays. People would just be like, "the !@#$ is this guy on about?"
It has to be seperate, to claim otherwise would be to claim the absurd that politicians have power over religion! Hahaha!
None of the Caerwyn leaders were VE leaders.
Quote from: Shenron on October 22, 2011, 10:46:41 AM
Since we're in modern times, asking for a separation for religion and politics is like asking for a separation of politics and science nowadays. People would just be like, "Oh, it's America, that's perfectly normal."
What an astute observation!
Sorry, let me rephrase that. It wasn't internal pressure from VE that I felt caused the war, but rather Caerwyn elites using religion as a scare tactic to rile their realm up. They tried to say that Asylon was going to turn into an all SA realm as well when we declared religious freedom among the nobility.
My character was more interested in keeping VE as a religion of meditation, as opposed to a religion where everyone is off to war to guard it form SA.
Quote from: Graeth on October 23, 2011, 01:27:25 AM
Sorry, let me rephrase that. It wasn't internal pressure from VE that I felt caused the war, but rather Caerwyn elites using religion as a scare tactic to rile their realm up. They tried to say that Asylon was going to turn into an all SA realm as well when we declared religious freedom among the nobility.
My character was more interested in keeping VE as a religion of meditation, as opposed to a religion where everyone is off to war to guard it form SA.
And by trying to go to war with us, they played right into our hands...
Quote from: Chénier on October 21, 2011, 06:25:58 AM
If some low-ranking nobles invoked it to justify their actions, then in no way can you extend this to the religion as a whole.
Because that would
never happen in real life...
Quote from: Beldragos on October 22, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
I tried to make sure in my messages to never mix religion with politics and called for SA to stop that practice, an IC view we had of them.
I am not sure what Amandil said in private messages but he was the one to order the rape and pillaging when most of us found ways to not follow (Oops, I am a Cavalier and do not have that option, sorry) those Orders while publicly calling him out against them. I believe (I cannot remember since it has been so long) I sent him a private message about those Orders as Archon but it was not heeded.
Now this I find interesting. I remember when Caerwyn started in with that. I, being a shameless opportunist, took the opportunity to try to make Caerwyn look even worse than before. "Betraying us wasn't enough, now you butcher people who were your neighbors just a few days ago?" (rulers' channel, "send"). I think it's interesting that there was downward pressure to stop that practice. There was no evidence of that fact from our end, though Rowan got killed not too long after Caerwyn went to war, so if Baal ended up disavowing the practice I never knew it.
Quote from: Geronus on October 24, 2011, 06:15:02 AMI think it's interesting that there was downward pressure to stop that practice. There was no evidence of that fact from our end, though Rowan got killed not too long after Caerwyn went to war, so if Baal ended up disavowing the practice I never knew it.
Everyone Brance talked to blamed it on everyone else. Given the number of KRB incidents that occurred every time Caerwyn moved into an Astrum region, there certainly was no feel during the the actual war itself that anyone was making any attempts to stop and/or reduce it. And given the fact that, generally, no one knows what kind of looting anyone else does, anyone who didn't want to do it could easily have
not done it and no one would ever know they didn't, I can give little credence to any claims of "We didn't want to do it".
At this point isnt' the discussion about whether or not they wanted to KRB moot? They're dead and we won...
Quote from: dustole on October 25, 2011, 12:32:23 AM
At this point isnt' the discussion about whether or not they wanted to KRB moot? They're dead and we won...
Ah, y'know, if Madina wins its war with Aurvandil, one of them get to say "Its not over yet!". Course, fifty fifty odds for that outcome, so just as likely they'll quietly fade or settle into Madina as Lords and only clench their fists and growl any time someone mentions the nort....
Quote from: Carna on October 25, 2011, 07:27:25 AM
Ah, y'know, if Madina wins its war with Aurvandil, one of them get to say "Its not over yet!". Course, fifty fifty odds for that outcome, so just as likely they'll quietly fade or settle into Madina as Lords and only clench their fists and growl any time someone mentions the nort....
Still, Madina is the last realm they ought to worry about.
I find it quite hilarious to see some people acually worry about that realm on the other side of the map.
Madina can only become dangerous to the far north if the north is at war with other realms, distracted, so Madina can do a little lootin.
But over that distance there is little else Madina could do.
We DID take Eibuld before and put a colony there.
So yes it is possible to take your men all the way up there and actually do something.
Poor Asylon. Uppervia revolts, Lowervia revolts, Kybcyell revolts, Mech Alb in bad shape, the realm split into four parts... Ouch. How are Itau and Itaufield looking? They must have been in pretty sad shape when you finally took them.
I honestly don't understand how Asylon is so weak. They have tons of food, plenty of cities for gold, and lots of nobles, and their geography isn't really that bad. If they'd take Gonophor, southern monster spawns would be greatly diminished, almost negligible.
They must just be running huge tax rates or have no courtiers or something... which is weird, because they have tons of nobles.
Quote from: Vellos on November 21, 2011, 08:34:59 PM
I honestly don't understand how Asylon is so weak. They have tons of food, plenty of cities for gold, and lots of nobles, and their geography isn't really that bad. If they'd take Gonophor, southern monster spawns would be greatly diminished, almost negligible.
They must just be running huge tax rates or have no courtiers or something... which is weird, because they have tons of nobles.
Yes but they were considerably smaller not that long ago, with less of everything.
Such rapid expansion is extremely difficult to sustain on Dwilight. I suspect that Asylon simply hasn't been taking the time it needs to take to bring its new acquisitions fully under control. The same thing has happened to Astrum in the past when we expanded to quickly and then found our armies overextended on the northern frontier while core regions were being attacked from the Mountains of Remorse and Woe. I bet Asylon's been focusing a lot on Itau at the expense of effectively defending their middle regions from monsters. They'll probably contract by necessity while they refit their armies and then expand more systematically, with more care to bring new regions fully under control while keeping their core regions clear of monsters.
With Astrum pushing into Caerwyn's old lands, the monster spawn in that region should drop. Luckily it never got up to the spawn rate that the mountains have, or that the Darfix area has. We're able to keep the south pretty well clear with a modest-sized army.
As for their army, I don't know what's up with that. I expected Asylon to grow quite a bit with the extra lands and nobles from Caerwyn. But their military seems pegged at 6K CS. What's up with that?
I mean, with only half that income, Aurvandil fields almost 28k CS! ::)
Quote from: Indirik on November 21, 2011, 08:54:14 PM
With Astrum pushing into Caerwyn's old lands, the monster spawn in that region should drop. Luckily it never got up to the spawn rate that the mountains have, or that the Darfix area has. We're able to keep the south pretty well clear with a modest-sized army.
As for their army, I don't know what's up with that. I expected Asylon to grow quite a bit with the extra lands and nobles from Caerwyn. But their military seems pegged at 6K CS. What's up with that?
I mean, with only half that income, Aurvandil fields almost 28k CS! ::)
Indeed. Terran would quite like to see an Asylon whose army is more... robust. We seem to have a bad habit of acquiring allies with inadequate armies.
Quote from: Vellos on November 22, 2011, 04:15:16 AM
Indeed. Terran would quite like to see an Asylon whose army is more... robust. We seem to have a bad habit of acquiring allies with inadequate armies.
Have Barca feed us, and we'll work on fixing that! ;)
Quote from: Chénier on November 22, 2011, 05:04:51 AM
Have Barca feed us, and we'll work on fixing that! ;)
Let some more of your peasants die, and they'll be able to!
The size of D'Haran cities must in the long run be a function of the food available for export within the Moot, as all the other sources seem highly subject to political caprice and stiff competition from the Lurias. You cannot, ultimately, grow your cities faster than Barca grows its food supplies.
But honestly, I'm skeptical of D'Hara's ability to field a big army even if you get unlimited cheap food. I'm just not sure ya'll have it in you.
Too used to use the gold for other things. D'Hara is not a militaristic Realm. It's just not in her. Hopefully someone at least starts hammering about getting some more recruitment centers and infrastructure. That would be a first step in the right direction.
Quote from: Telrunya on November 22, 2011, 08:24:40 PM
Too used to use the gold for other things. D'Hara is not a militaristic Realm. It's just not in her. Hopefully someone at least starts hammering about getting some more recruitment centers and infrastructure. That would be a first step in the right direction.
It'd have certainly helped if Paisly's hadn't all been lost because of a mere 50 gold debt.
D'Hara's not a militaristic realm, for sure, but I could see it turned to aggressive mercantilism if it ever gets the luxury of being able to rely solely on close allies for food and therefore not having to worry about alienating foreign markets so much.
After all, one day or another we'll have to grow some balls, 'cause whether we wish it or not, our isles will forever attract the envy of some.
Quote from: Chénier on November 22, 2011, 09:15:10 PM
After all, one day or another we'll have to grow some balls, 'cause whether we wish it or not, our isles will forever attract the envy of some.
Nah, you could linger on as a crippled pushover practically indefinitely. In fact, that could be a strategy. Make the isles look so heinous to hold and manage that nobody could possibly want them. Like the defense some bugs have where they play dead.
Actually we kill off part of ourselves as defence :P
Quote from: Vellos on November 22, 2011, 09:22:56 PM
Nah, you could linger on as a crippled pushover practically indefinitely. In fact, that could be a strategy. Make the isles look so heinous to hold and manage that nobody could possibly want them. Like the defense some bugs have where they play dead.
Whether we field a significant army permanently or not, we will certainly be working on amassing a solid emergency war chest so that if the need arises, we can use it to make sure nothing manages to breach our ports.
Quote from: Geronus on November 21, 2011, 08:44:45 PM
Yes but they were considerably smaller not that long ago, with less of everything.
Such rapid expansion is extremely difficult to sustain on Dwilight. I suspect that Asylon simply hasn't been taking the time it needs to take to bring its new acquisitions fully under control. The same thing has happened to Astrum in the past when we expanded to quickly and then found our armies overextended on the northern frontier while core regions were being attacked from the Mountains of Remorse and Woe. I bet Asylon's been focusing a lot on Itau at the expense of effectively defending their middle regions from monsters. They'll probably contract by necessity while they refit their armies and then expand more systematically, with more care to bring new regions fully under control while keeping their core regions clear of monsters.
What Geronus says is basically the truth. Once Caerwyn fell our super small realm expanded like mad, we had to integrate a wack load of new nobles, we had to figure out what lands we were going to hold and switch over nobles to new regions. We then declared war on Itaulond in the middle of all that and couldn't coordinate our armies as fast as we could, since we had nobles scattered all over the place, some coming and going, some without units etc. And then the monster attacks hit us in the middle of the Itaulond war. Our army was involved in a refit and we had everyone in the Via region or Echuir so Lowervia split...blah, etc etc, we have basically gone through a whirlwind and now that Itaulond is done, we are amassing once more to retake all the lands and have an active army capable of consolidating our lands. We have a courtier army but that has been slow to build up. Basically...
Lost our northern buffer...
Gained new land...
Gained lots of new nobles...
Monster attacks started...
Declared war on Itaulond...
Lost a bunch of land...
Defeated Itaulond...
Regrouping and retaking our lands and rebuilding our army and cities etc...
So yeah, busy busy time in Asylon and lots of fun to be Asylonian in a very dynamic area of the map... Which once was considered a backwater has now become like the big smoke.
wtf our Queen just deleted and left the game unannounced! Not cool!
.... uhhhh.... yeah. Anybody got the dl on that?
Nop. Made me a sad panda, though. :(
Quote from: Glaumring on November 24, 2011, 05:29:07 AM
wtf our Queen just deleted and left the game unannounced! Not cool!
Cool Asylon is in complete chaos time to attack lol
JUST as we were beginning to make headway on our political marriage too...
Damnit! Now I have to find a new politically powerful wife for Hireshmont....
I happen to know of a slightly crazy, but powerful single Lady just to the north of Terran...
Gustav Kuriga might have something to say about that...
Quote from: dustole on November 24, 2011, 06:00:03 PM
I happen to know of a slightly crazy, but powerful single Lady just to the north of Terran...
I don't think you'll find a husband for allison so easily :p you even tried with busto before breaking up his realm!
Quote from: dustole on November 24, 2011, 06:00:03 PM
I happen to know of a slightly crazy, but powerful single Lady just to the north of Terran...
What's the Church's view on widows remarrying?
Quote from: Peri on November 24, 2011, 09:15:27 PM
I don't think you'll find a husband for allison so easily :p you even tried with busto before breaking up his realm!
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! How much easier would Busto's life would be if he were married to Allison?
Quote from: dustole on November 24, 2011, 06:00:03 PM
I happen to know of a slightly crazy, but powerful single Lady just to the north of Terran...
Oh. My. God.
That would be amazing.
"Moderate Triunist Politician Weds Radical Astroist Theocrat: Pundits Shoot Themselves in Confusion"
Quote from: dustole on November 24, 2011, 09:52:58 PM
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! How much easier would Busto's life would be if he were married to Allison?
Crap. Do you think flowers could fix it?
*Gustav, ever the overlooked lover, cries silently in the background, before going out to try and get some sense of order from his army*
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on November 24, 2011, 11:30:41 PM
*Gustav, ever the overlooked lover, cries silently in the background, before going out to try and get some sense of order from his army*
Once your done weeping, mind sorting my own army out please? some are slacking! K thanks!
Provide me a duchy and it's a deal.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on November 25, 2011, 01:31:58 AM
Provide me a duchy and it's a deal.
You can have Poryatown... or Shinnen :D
Quote from: dustole on November 24, 2011, 06:00:03 PM
I happen to know of a slightly crazy, but powerful single Lady just to the north of Terran...
Yeah and she's mine!!!
Perhaps a duel between our armies will settle this, Glaumring?
While you two freaks have your bloodletting competition, Hireshmont will just wander up to Golden Farrow and shower her with gifts of thousands upon thousands of gold. What do you think a good dowry for Allison would be? 3,000 gold? 4,000? 10,000? Given a few months, Hireshmont can get it!
*counts his gold pieces* Getting there. You guys want competition?
Whoa, fellas, fellas, take it easy on the lady! She's a delicate flower.
...
Yeah that straight face didn't last long.
Quote from: Vellos on November 25, 2011, 07:02:17 AM
While you two freaks have your bloodletting competition, Hireshmont will just wander up to Golden Farrow and shower her with gifts of thousands upon thousands of gold. What do you think a good dowry for Allison would be? 3,000 gold? 4,000? 10,000? Given a few months, Hireshmont can get it!
Isn't it the bride's family that is supposed to give the grand gifts?
I guess it varies in time and culture, though.
*takes advantage of Chenier's intrusion on the conversation* Chenier wants her most, get him! *runs off to propose to Allison while the horde of suitors beat Chenier*
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on November 25, 2011, 07:29:21 PM
*takes advantage of Chenier's intrusion on the conversation* Chenier wants her most, get him! *runs off to propose to Allison while the horde of suitors beat Chenier*
Depends. How much is *she* willing to offer to marry one of Machiavel's rank? 8)
Allison is a old and crazy lady, more likely to stab you in the bed chamber then bed you. Creed would rather have a nice normal girl who he did not have to worry when he made her mad that she would kill him.
Creed is more then willing to let you guys duke it out over the loony.
I think Allison Should marry the Zuma King. That would be an interesting marriage.
Quote from: Creed on November 25, 2011, 08:26:40 PM
I think Allison Should marry the Zuma King. That would be an interesting marriage.
And then have TmP force Luria to duke it out with SA?
Pure gold! I love this idea!
Quote from: Chénier on November 25, 2011, 08:28:11 PM
And then have TmP force Luria to duke it out with SA?
Pure gold! I love this idea!
Heh, I guess PeL would be alone in that enterprise.
Quote from: Chénier on November 25, 2011, 08:28:11 PM
And then have TmP force Luria to duke it out with SA?
Pure gold! I love this idea!
I'll set my "marriage fund" to pay Allison to seek the hand of a Zuma in marriage.
I have been relected King of Asylon, so hopefully we can get married right away!
Oh Asylon, who would have known that the little cub would grown into a big bear.
Interesting times ahead.
Yeah, no kidding. Terran is going to have to get used to having a western neighbor who is our equal in size and strength.
Pretty soon you'll have a strong northern neighbor, too!
Quote from: Vellos on March 09, 2012, 07:31:30 PM
Yeah, no kidding. Terran is going to have to get used to having a western neighbor who is our equal in size and strength.
Bigger now, aren't they?
No surprise , I knew we could do it. Not done yet... Merely getting started. 8)
Quote from: Geronus on March 09, 2012, 08:02:43 PM
Bigger now, aren't they?
Land area and nobles, yes.
In peasant population, gold income, military, food supply, no.
As their new lands get fully populated, they may eclipse us in those areas as well. That wouldn't shock me. But, even if they do, Asylon doesn't have as good a strategic position as Terran, or as strong a diplomatic position. In the long run, I would expect Asylon and Terran to be approximately equal.
Quote from: Indirik on March 09, 2012, 07:32:40 PM
Pretty soon you'll have a strong northern neighbor, too!
Kabrinskia?
Ehhh.... honestly, I don't feel threatened by Kabrinskia. A one-city (admittedly a large city) realm with barely sufficient rural lands and crappy relations with all of its neighbors doesn't scare me. Now, if Kabrinskia started making friends with Asylon, I'd be worried. But Even as Kabrinskia becomes developed, I don't expect they'll be able to pose a serious threat to Asylon or Terran, unless they can credibly threaten that Astrum will support them in an aggressive war. Kabrinskia's threat-status is wholly dependent upon Astrum. And, frankly, I foresee Terran getting politically stronger in the near future. But now I'm saying too much.
Dont think that we in Asylon are not aware of the negatives of our situations. We are merely politely gloating for a little bit because we made it, we did it we survived past what a lot of Dwilight thought we would. Asylon has a lot going for it and like all kingdoms weaknesses. Thats fine, we got here and it has and is fun. Think of Asylon like Canada, a large diverse nation on the rise.
...And just as indefensible.
Quote from: Glaumring on March 09, 2012, 10:50:29 PM
Dont think that we in Asylon are not aware of the negatives of our situations. We are merely politely gloating for a little bit because we made it, we did it we survived past what a lot of Dwilight thought we would. Asylon has a lot going for it and like all kingdoms weaknesses. Thats fine, we got here and it has and is fun. Think of Asylon like Canada, a large diverse nation on the rise.
Obsessed with the monarchy and built on the oppression of its minorities, except when it's to pin them on their trophy wall as a display of how "diverse" it is?
Sounds excellent! Seems like you even got the ripping off the natives part right!
Oh you guys are incorrigible... :P
Quote from: Geronus on March 09, 2012, 11:11:36 PM
...And just as indefensible.
1812 .... Nevar forget
I didnt know Canada had a monarchy... cool.
Plus, you all should know that baby seals are not welcome on our shores, thats why Asylon has the mandatory clubbing day, every first in the month.
And yes, Asylon will need more time to become fully developed, but so far so good. and yes, I'd rather have our provinces more clogged togheter, but cant get everything, so we have to be a happy costal place with seal clubbing traditions... (maybe we are more like Norway then Canada?)
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on March 10, 2012, 07:28:51 AM
I didnt know Canada had a monarchy... cool.
It's the British monarchy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada
I am Canadian by the way, perhaps it somehow reflects and affects/effects how I play and see myself as a leader of a kingdom. And how I act in battlemaster. I ain't British and I certainly am not American. I am Canadian...
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on March 10, 2012, 07:28:51 AM
I didnt know Canada had a monarchy... cool.
Obviously (and luckily), you've not been living in Canada in the last few years.
Quote from: Glaumring on March 10, 2012, 02:26:06 AM
1812 .... Nevar forget
Right, let us forever remember that war in which we supported British military who was kidnapping foreigners to force them into their navy, and because of which we promised to stop arming the natives and therefore allow them to be slaughtered by the americans.
Indeed, let us never forget the stupid reasons for joining the war and the disastrous results of it.
Quote from: Glaumring on March 10, 2012, 08:39:39 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Canada
I am Canadian by the way, perhaps it somehow reflects and affects/effects how I play and see myself as a leader of a kingdom. And how I act in battlemaster. I ain't British and I certainly am not American. I am Canadian...
I also live in Canada. I don't consider myself Canadian.
So you must be French Canadian... Yeah so am I , I'm a LaPointe. Family line goes back to 1667 in Quebec through the Audette family name. Grew up on the west coast of Canada. Quebecois I assume? Quebec separatism can shove itself...
Oh and I really don't care about the deep history of the war of 1812, I was merely making a joke about the fact that Canada burnt the Whitehouse to the ground in 1812. My meaning being that the United States, is also indefensible, a super powerful country with a huge military just had a bunch of airplanes flown into its largest city a few years ago.
Or I could easily reverse it and say that Astrum is also completely indefensible. Its just one more remark from Geronus in a long line of snarky remarks.
Quote from: Glaumring on March 10, 2012, 07:30:34 PM
So you must be French Canadian... Yeah so am I , I'm a LaPointe. Family line goes back to 1667 in Quebec through the Audette family name. Grew up on the west coast of Canada. Quebecois I assume? Quebec separatism can shove itself...
Oh and I really don't care about the deep history of the war of 1812, I was merely making a joke about the fact that Canada burnt the Whitehouse to the ground in 1812. My meaning being that the United States, is also indefensible, a super powerful country with a huge military just had a bunch of airplanes flown into its largest city a few years ago.
Or I could easily reverse it and say that Astrum is also completely indefensible. Its just one more remark from Geronus in a long line of snarky remarks.
Being backed by the world's greatest superpower (and by far) to achieve victories against a nation of farmers (back then) is hardly something to be proud of. Then again, the Americans pretty much won that war anyways, so I'd be more inclined to view that war as one of the greatest embarrassments of that century.
Seems silly to me to celebrate a few victories of a lost war, especially how shameful that war was for us.
I tell you, if it were up to me, I'd put on most of these war memorials "in honor of all those who died because of honorless governments in wars we had no business in joining". 1812, the Boer wars, the first world war, the korean war, just to name a few non-recent ones.
As for the US today, if you declare it "indefensible" because of the 9/11 events, then by those criteria no nation at all would be. International terrorism is not something anyone can be immune to. Those who get the least of it get less not because of better defenses, but because they piss of others less than those who do.
Now now, children, you know better than to bring real-world politics into a Battlemaster thread. So stop trying to satisfy your butt-hurt e-peens and take it somewhere else.
Yes, thank you!
Now to return to game talk...
Asylon is on the rise. You are all jealous... 8)
Asylon is like...Australia. Lots of land, indefensible, on the edge of civilization, underpopulated...
oh...another British Commonwealth! :P
Yeah and D'hara is like the best little whore house in Texas then?
Are you planning on seceding Itau to continue the colonization north, or are you done with taking lands?
We are not sure yet. We have talked briefly with Iashular about lands north of the Corridor of Torment. We don't have any desire for going into their traditional lands. We do have a dispute about the Corridor of Torment though. Other than that we have no issue with Iashular.
I really wish we could go south, but the Zuma stop any progress that way.
In regards to seceding a region like Itau, we have thought about it. It wouldn't work out right now. We are waiting for other people/kingdoms on the map to start breaking up their own kingdoms into smaller entities. I figure the map would be way better off under a hundred feuding smaller kingdoms than in its current stagnant form. I am not going to unilaterally break up my kingdom though just so it can be devoured by larger kingdoms. The huge SA alliance is making for anything remotely fun like small scale land battles and border wars impossible, because it would inevitably end up in a gank. So, everyone is holding their cards close. The current mindset on Dwilight is all out war and all out destruction of kingdoms, play to crush type situation.
Quote from: Glaumring on March 10, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
Yeah and D'hara is like the best little whore house in Texas then?
In Sicily, of course!
Quote from: Glaumring on March 10, 2012, 07:30:34 PM
Or I could easily reverse it and say that Astrum is also completely indefensible. Its just one more remark from Geronus in a long line of snarky remarks.
Actually Astrum is very defensible, always has been. How do you think we survived a two on one war in a terrible strategic position?
I any case, I was only joking, and the butt of the joke was supposed to be Asylon, not Canada. Didn't mean to tickle your patriotic pride, eh?
Astrum has one of the most defensible geographies on the continent. Only Madina may be better. We have an unparallelled ring of fortifications around some very productive core lands. It's how we managed to grow so well, and completely stop Caerwyn cold in the south.
Every dog has its day.
Quote from: Indirik on March 11, 2012, 04:10:55 AM
Astrum has one of the most defensible geographies on the continent. Only Madina may be better. We have an unparallelled ring of fortifications around some very productive core lands. It's how we managed to grow so well, and completely stop Caerwyn cold in the south.
D'Hara, with most regions having either lvl 2 or lvl 5ish walls is pretty defensible as well.
Yeah, you've got it pretty good, too.
So long as people sell you food...
Quote from: Indirik on March 11, 2012, 08:44:21 PM
Yeah, you've got it pretty good, too.
Imo, Madina, as long as it controls Fissoa and Candiels, would be the most defensible realm of all. Sure, it wouldn't have as many layers of walls as D'Hara, but at least it'd be pretty darn far from everyone and a safe supply of food to cover its needs.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on March 11, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
So long as people sell you food...
Supply isn't the problem it used to be.
Lol didnt Madina just fall? Defensible means nothing if you cannot motivate and coordinate your nobles. The only reason Astrum is assumed to be defensible is because its never been attacked by a sizable coordinated force.
Quote from: Glaumring on March 12, 2012, 02:02:15 AM
Lol didnt Madina just fall? Defensible means nothing if you cannot motivate and coordinate your nobles. The only reason Astrum is assumed to be defensible is because its never been attacked by a sizable coordinated force.
Well now that's just untrue. What do you call the two-front war we fought with Averoth and Caerwyn? By itself, Averoth had a bigger mobile army than we did (at 14k CS), and they were *extremely* well coordinated. They used to get 100% movement rates starting just a few hours before the turn change routinely. Heck, the only thing that saved us was the fact that Caerwyn couldn't get past our fortifications in Eidulb Outskirts and into our core regions. As it was, they destroyed Duil and Chrysantalys Mines pretty thoroughly while we had no choice but to focus our defenses against Averoth since they posed the bigger threat.
In any case, you don't have to be so defensive. I was just making a joke/observation about your rather interesting geography; you've got a very long eastern border, though in truth a lot of it is rendered more defensible than one might think thanks to the fortuitous placement of several bodies of water and a couple of mountains and townslands. I don't think Astrum is better than Asylon or vice versa, and I'm not trying to play 'who has the bigger e-peen'. Just made one little joke that apparently fell flat... Sheesh.
Another nicely-positioned realm would have been Summerdale, if it had Mt. Black Nastrond and Nifelhold to hold its eastern entrance and Valkyrja island on its west. Then there's the obvious Balance fortress, but I'm not sure it could keep a realm supplied with enough food to survive.
Regarding Asylon, it has a chain of regions that, if broken into, would tear the realm in two (Kybcyell, Uppervia, Itaufueld, Shuberstone), but it has a strategically-placed capital at Via. If fortifications were raised in Wallershire and Itaufield, the loss of Kybcyell corridor won't be as hampering (especially since we have food producers behind the capital, at Vakreno and the regions surround Koshtalom.
Quote from: Glaumring on March 12, 2012, 02:02:15 AM
Lol didnt Madina just fall? Defensible means nothing if you cannot motivate and coordinate your nobles. The only reason Astrum is assumed to be defensible is because its never been attacked by a sizable coordinated force.
Notice I said "With Fissoa and Candiels".
Creating new realms out of these cities (both willingly, like Fissoa, and unwillingly, like Candiels) creates a major vulnerability. Just like D'Hara wouldn't accept anyone to plant a realm in Sallowtown, I see it as a severe lack of judgment of Madina's part to have allowed realms in those regions (Candiels, I believe, was planned to secede eventually anyways).
Quote from: Geronus on March 12, 2012, 05:06:35 AM
I don't think Astrum is better than Asylon or vice versa, and I'm not trying to play 'who has the bigger e-peen'. Just made one little joke that apparently fell flat... Sheesh.
I always appreciate some jokes and e-peens. Especially as your E-peen, fell flat... See what I did there ;).
Plus, i like our tall country, it makes my e-peen feel like a big one.
Our Kingdom has gone for length instead of girth... It's sad really. :'(
Quote from: Glaumring on March 13, 2012, 02:43:25 AM
Our Kingdom has gone for length instead of girth... It's sad really. :'(
Thats what she said... The farmers daughter.... You know.... in Aspar...
Girth is, apparently, what's important. You don't want to stretch too deep into unknown territory, or you might end up running into solid walls.
*facepaws*
Yeah tell that to to Thailand, Burma.... And the undefeated Vietnam.
Technically Vietnam was a military victory, and a political defeat. The Vietcong were no longer an effective fighting force after the Tet offensive.
Awwww, Asylon has grown up so fast.
Quote from: Adriddae on March 13, 2012, 08:41:07 PM
Awwww, Asylon has grown up so fast.
The former rulers has set a good foundation ;)
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on March 13, 2012, 08:19:37 PM
Technically Vietnam was a military victory, and a political defeat. The Vietcong were no longer an effective fighting force after the Tet offensive.
A defeated force that continues to manage to repel the viet minh is defeated? Despite ongoing illegal US bombing following the official retreat?
Victory depends on what you set as your objectives. The objectives here were to prevent the viet cong from forming a government. This obviously failed.
The only thing the US achieved was killing a lot of innocents and poisoning generations with their outright criminal use of chemicals.
If you want to talk about this in detail, Chenier, please make a thread for it. I'm not going to go in-depth about what was wrong with your statements in this thread, because that would be off-topic.
Anyways, I wonder what Asylon's relationship with Kabrinskia will turn out to be in the next few months.
Hopefully violence. We need excitement.
Quote from: Vellos on March 14, 2012, 12:03:56 AM
Hopefully violence. We need excitement.
Nah, I'm fine with a grand global peace. Surplus of food due to lack of fighting is bond to allow us to bring the trade prices down. ;)
Quote from: Chénier on March 14, 2012, 12:37:08 AM
Nah, I'm fine with a grand global peace.
This seems to be what the people in power in Terran are shooting for.
I kinda a doubt that considering Vellos statement and he is the ruler so he is the person with the most power in Terran.
Umm sorry to dredge this up again... But Vietnam was hardly beaten after the war with the states... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
They had a war with China in 1979....
We do speak with Kabrinskia and Terran ever so often, mainly though Asylon only has time to maintain its huge kingdom and massive gold and food, our nobles are also too many to count at times so we spend hours doing headcounts and it takes a month to march from one end of Asylon to another. Playing in Asylon is like playing inside of a another entire map of Dwilight... Its just that involved and awesome compared to other realms...
Quote from: Glaumring on March 14, 2012, 03:45:00 AM
We do speak with Kabrinskia and Terran ever so often, mainly though Asylon only has time to maintain its huge kingdom and massive gold and food, our nobles are also too many to count at times so we spend hours doing headcounts and it takes a month to march from one end of Asylon to another. Playing in Asylon is like playing inside of a another entire map of Dwilight... Its just that involved and awesome compared to other realms...
I love propaganda that is so blatant!
Quote from: Glaumring on March 14, 2012, 03:45:00 AM
Umm sorry to dredge this up again... But Vietnam was hardly beaten after the war with the states... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
They had a war with China in 1979....
We do speak with Kabrinskia and Terran ever so often, mainly though Asylon only has time to maintain its huge kingdom and massive gold and food, our nobles are also too many to count at times so we spend hours doing headcounts and it takes a month to march from one end of Asylon to another. Playing in Asylon is like playing inside of a another entire map of Dwilight... Its just that involved and awesome compared to other realms...
*shakes head* I thought I had already asked that if someone had anything else to say about the subject they do so in the proper subforum, this thread is not that.
Quote from: Perth on March 14, 2012, 02:11:26 AM
This seems to be what the people in power in Terran are shooting for.
Heh.
I think every single Senator or Magistrate in Terran has some realm in mind that Terran Really Should Attack. It's just that nobody has a
majority for their realm-of-choice.
But, I'm pretty sure Terran will get some stirring-up soon... and in a way nobody is expecting. *dramatic music*
Quote from: Vellos on March 14, 2012, 06:14:12 AM
I think every single Senator or Magistrate in Terran has some realm in mind that Terran Really Should Attack. It's just that nobody has a majority for their realm-of-choice.
Lol, true.
I'm just jaded from my inadequacy in verbal-swordsmanship to Samuel.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on March 14, 2012, 05:16:37 AM
*shakes head* I thought I had already asked that if someone had anything else to say about the subject they do so in the proper subforum, this thread is not that.
You asked. But that doesn't mean anyone has to comply.
Still, I'm curious as to what your dazzling arguments of American military supremacy are, so I did comply: http://forum.battlemaster.org/index.php/topic,2135.0.html
Quote from: Vellos on March 14, 2012, 06:14:12 AM
But, I'm pretty sure Terran will get some stirring-up soon... and in a way nobody is expecting. *dramatic music*
By helping Morek and attacking the Zuma? That would be a way no one would expect since its daimons you would have to attack.
Terran won't attack the Zuma. For all their bluff and bluster about being the military power of the 'Moot they are relatively weak. Kabrinskia has almost as much CS as they do and we are second on Dwilight for CS per noble. Terran has 100% more wealth than Kabrinskia yet only 10% more military.
That just adds to my suspicion that Terran is working with the Zuma. :P
And I don't even have a unit right now, meaning if I were to choose to, I could get a decent unit.
Quote from: dustole on March 14, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Terran won't attack the Zuma. For all their bluff and bluster about being the military power of the 'Moot they are relatively weak. Kabrinskia has almost as much CS as they do and we are second on Dwilight for CS per noble. Terran has 100% more wealth than Kabrinskia yet only 10% more military.
That just adds to my suspicion that Terran is working with the Zuma. :P
D'Hara has about the same total CS as Kabrinskia, and we aren't even trying to field an army. Terran doesn't have much reason to either.
Quote from: dustole on March 14, 2012, 10:46:54 PM
Terran won't attack the Zuma. For all their bluff and bluster about being the military power of the 'Moot they are relatively weak. Kabrinskia has almost as much CS as they do and we are second on Dwilight for CS per noble. Terran has 100% more wealth than Kabrinskia yet only 10% more military.
That just adds to my suspicion that Terran is working with the Zuma. :P
Right because we usually spend tons of gold on our units so we can sit around during peacetime doing absolutely nothing.
Bit of a silly statement there, don't you think? Why would Terran's, or anyone's for that matter, current CS be very high when all they're doing is chillin around killing some random monsters from time to time?
Quote from: Perth on March 14, 2012, 11:25:14 PM
Right because we usually spend tons of gold on our units so we can sit around during peacetime doing absolutely nothing.
Bit of a silly statement there, don't you think? Why would Terran's, or anyone's for that matter, current CS be very high when all they're doing is chillin around killing some random monsters from time to time?
I do, but then I like to take a unit with 100% training and cohesion into the start of a war. If one of my characters is martial minded I expect he will ALWAYS be training himself and his men.
Why would we maintain huge armies in peace time?...unless.... oh god... You... are ...preparing for ...war
Quote from: Glaumring on March 15, 2012, 12:03:08 AM
Why would we maintain huge armies in peace time?...unless.... oh god... You... are ...preparing for ...war
Excellent point, and of course there is the other good reason, cause you never know when one of your neighbours is going to pay you a visit for a full military parade.
Allison is paranoid. I hope to maintain 10k cs of militia in Golden Farrow when it is fully populated. I think I have 8k cs of militia in there now!
While some nobles may keep strong units all around, most don't. So a realm often has a much smaller military when not at war. I would think Terran could easily add 4K or so mobile CS pretty quickly.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Quote from: De-Legro on March 14, 2012, 11:26:29 PM
I do, but then I like to take a unit with 100% training and cohesion into the start of a war. If one of my characters is martial minded I expect he will ALWAYS be training himself and his men.
Quote from: dustole on March 15, 2012, 01:29:46 AM
Allison is paranoid. I hope to maintain 10k cs of militia in Golden Farrow when it is fully populated. I think I have 8k cs of militia in there now!
Because obviously recruiting the largest army one can and training it for months is the best way to prepare for war. ::)
Quote from: Chénier on March 15, 2012, 01:56:27 AM
Because obviously recruiting the largest army one can and training it for months is the best way to prepare for war. ::)
Well that and infiltrating your opponent in order to hamper their attempts at defence.
Asylons main army is just south of us... Muhahahaha
I can see how having huge armies is good and bad to prepare war. Good because they will be well trained and cohesive, plus you don't have to worry about having enough gold to buy a bunch of soldiers right when war starts. Bad because it is harder to make new fortifications and good recruitment centers if your unit is so expensive you spend a ton just to maintain it not leaving much for other things.
It is more just that a lot of our nobles do a lot of their own thing during peace time. Most nobles in Terran are lords so they do their own thing most of time. Travel, trade, build stuff, etc.
Quote from: JPierreD on March 15, 2012, 01:56:18 AM
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Est gentes sicvt vos qvae efficit inqviem !
Umm, is that spanish?
Quote from: JPierreD on March 15, 2012, 01:56:18 AM
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Latin
If you want peace, prepare for war
Quote from: Indirik on March 15, 2012, 03:28:34 AM
Est gentes sicvt vos qvae efficit inqviem !
Also Latin
It's people like you what causes unrest
Thats interesting. I have actually heard the first message several times before in english which makes sense in some ways because another thing which is true is that most won't go to war if they are if they are too afaid for of their enemy. So if you make yourself more powerful than your enemy they will not attack you but if you are weak they have no fear of you and thus will attack creating war. Thanks for translating that.
I won't lie, Halleria has a lot of gold stored up everywhere (on hand, bonds, etc.) in case it's needed for The War.
Impudens es Leno!
Try that one on for size. ;)
Si vis bellum, para pacem.
How about that! 8)
Ecce potestas casei!
sum non pisces
(used to be my slashdot sig)
Where's the hebrew font when I need it...
@Indirik
Started laughing after I put your post into google translator
Impudens es Leno! - Modern Latin Slang - "You Brazen/Shameless Pimp
Ecce potestas casei! - Behold the power of cheese
sum non pisces - I am not a fish
I wasn't aware Latin was still taught so commonly, or is it just the availability of the internet?
ok ok move this latin crap to the latin section! 8)
lol, what latin section?
Ustjay ovemay itway omewheresay awayway omfray ethay Asylonway
ealmray eadthray ouyay underingblay iddlerdeeday aday oodleday
eeday aday ingersday!
Ah pig latin I havent seen in awhile though that I don't need google translator for
Quote from: De-Legro on March 15, 2012, 10:36:39 PM
Impudens es Leno! - Modern Latin Slang - "You Brazen/Shameless Pimp
Ecce potestas casei! - Behold the power of cheese
sum non pisces - I am not a fish
I wasn't aware Latin was still taught so commonly, or is it just the availability of the internet?
I suspect it's more the internet. I know I found the top phrase there on a site with all kinds of foreign insults. But one of these days I might choose to pick up another language, like Latin.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Asylon_Project
much needed or useless?
waiting your opinion!
Much needed! And I shall submit sonething.
Very nice!
Quote from: Glaumring on April 18, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
Much needed! And I shall submit sonething.
for now i guess Ven needs to receive stuff and uploaded it herself, for IC it must be a collection she is compiling.
She will found a guild if the project works well, and it can be a library where everyone can submit.
Quote from: Dhalgren on April 18, 2012, 12:10:24 PM
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/Asylon_Project
much needed or useless?
waiting your opinion!
I think it is well written and thought through... I am impressed
One somewhat random question I was thinking of, are people from Asylon, Asylonians?
Yes, free Asylonians ... Technically.
Asyloneseanites.
Assholyians...
So, have we constructed our Weapons of Mass Destruction yet? I know i built a couple of Silos in Echiur, but havent checked if our scientists have filled them with missiles yet... ::)
Cocked, locked and ready to rock.
Goody good good, i cant belive the SA realms havent realized the full potential of the bloodmoon fruit... Nuclear power, get lost, Long live Bloodmoon Nectar!
I don't remember selling you any Bloodmoon fruit. It only grows on Raviel.
I was born in Raviel! Took seeds when I left ;D
We have a large grove now in Asylon
Quote from: Glaumring on May 09, 2012, 03:46:51 AM
I was born in Raviel! Took seeds when I left ;D
Quote from: Graeth on May 09, 2012, 04:08:55 AM
We have a large grove now in Asylon
Hmmm...if Gornak learns of that IC then he may want to go burn that grove to the ground.
Quote from: egamma on May 09, 2012, 04:23:57 AM
Hmmm...if Gornak learns of that IC then he may want to go burn that grove to the ground.
Maybe we should contend ourselves with asking royalties on bloodmoon fruit. :P
The bloodmoon drug warz
Quote from: Chénier on May 09, 2012, 04:24:47 AM
Maybe we should contend ourselves with asking royalties on bloodmoon fruit. :P
Hmmm...I could take some to the Daimons as a gift, and see what happens. Perhaps it's poisonous to daimons...
Quote from: Glaumring on May 09, 2012, 03:46:51 AM
I was born in Raviel! Took seeds when I left ;D
I thought you were born on Apasur, hence the surname. :P
Ancient family lineage comes from Apasur.
Scribes in Asylon noted;
And during the Great war, the Age of Bloodmoon began.
Asylon is struggeling, but amused that the OOC forum of Battlemaster belives that Glaumring is the official voice of Asylon as a realm when it comes to OOC conversations on the OOC forum.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on August 14, 2012, 10:50:28 PM
Asylon is struggeling, but amused that the OOC forum of Battlemaster belives that Glaumring is the official voice of Asylon as a realm when it comes to OOC conversations on the OOC forum.
He's been the most prominent, outspoken, and influential member of the realm for some time. If you don't want it to be like that, change it.
I am legion, for I am many...
Quote from: Perth on August 14, 2012, 10:56:34 PM
He's been the most prominent, outspoken, and influential member of the realm for some time. If you don't want it to be like that, change it.
Maybe we should, but we will see. I quite enjoy the show.
We are struggling with starvation. Which is partly my fault if you wish to split hairs. Asides from that, i'm struggling to see the issue. There are many here with a very skewed , naive view of Asylons internal workings. Asylon is a very inclusive realm with strong loyal nobles. Whether it is myself or another on the throne we are loyal to the crown and support our king. I am now a mere priest and will support Asylon king/councils positions no matter what they are.
If I am not allowed to voice my OoG opinions on the forums then you are taking these forums far to serious. The forums are for OoG opinion, why would anything I say here matter IG for Asylon, unless you cannot differentiate the two.
I am singleton, I am hated.
I am sober, I am unamused.
I am hungry, and require ample tribute of mead and wenches.
Mmmm... Wenches... I mean, mead!
Im at work :(
Necromancy! Yeah I am just putting this here as it fits best here. So I have been working on a summary of Randemicos Pope, current king of Asylon, for something with the Dwilight Univeristy. What do you think on this?
QuoteRandemicos Pope
Randemicos is a man of the military being the general of 4 realms, including Asylon before he was made King. His father, Winther, was a priest for much of life but Randemicos rejected that life seeking power, regardless of the cost.
Randemicos started as knight of Muspelheim, back when it was a part of Springdale. When Muspelheim seceded to recreate Virovene, he joined as his loyalties lied with his lord, Cato de La Fere. Several years later during the dying days of Virovene, Randemicos helped lead a small army to Storms Keep with Glaumring, which he then founded Thulsoma with Glaumring. When Glaumring ceremoniously had the imprint of his feet carved into to the center stone of the courtyard of Storms Keep as to be made tradition of the Thulsoman Kings, Randemicos also had his feet imprinted due to his help in leading the army that took over Storm's Keep.
Upon the founding of Thulsoma, Randemicos was immediately made General of Thulsoma. After this the details run low on the history of him for a while but it is know that roughly a year after Thulsoma's founding he joined Summerdale for a month, for a day he was a part of Libero Empire, then he once more joined Thulsoma. Immediately after rejoining Thulsoma he was reinstated as General, but only two more months past until he joined Summerdale again. A month after joining Summerdale for the second time he was elected General, which he remained for 6 more months until he joined Caerwyn for a month, then joined Asylon. That was the last of his many switching of oaths. A year later he was appointed General of Asylon after helping King Glaumring rebel and take control of the government from Emperor Cleon Cullom.
There is little news on the next few years on him until recently, which is when King Glaumring stepped down, Randemicos became King and he stepped down as General consequently. Though seen partially through what I have already said it is my understanding that Glaumring and Randemicos have been very close friends all the way back to the times of when Randemicos was a part of Virovene.
During the dying days of Virovene a kingdom I had little loyalty to Virovene. Randemicos was the only to follow me to the Storms keep. At the time a near suicidal journey through massive hordes of monsters that held even Morek and Springdale back for decades. Through a quirk of luck the 130 troops and 2 nobles with literally 2 or 300 gold made it to Storms keep and founded Thulsoma. It was quite a trek and through it all Sir Randemicos did not complain nor ask for favour he merely lead the troops and fought back several times against almost kingdom breaking hordes of beasts. The times he switched loyalty were when our regions starving and overrun joined Summerdale or Libero. It wasnt until the final days we foolishly abandoned Thulsoma for Summerdale that we began our sojourn to Asylon. If I could go back I would have stayed and fought back Libero and conquered Summerdale. Back then in the last days of Thulsoma we had the largest army, the highest noble count and economy than any others. I believed we could join Summerdale and then retake Thulsoma, but the nobles of Summerdale were generally niave. Then Haruka came and her horde, the dream of uniting the kingdoms fell and we left for far Asylon.
Quote from: Glaumring on December 03, 2012, 01:13:04 AM
The times he switched loyalty were when our regions starving and overrun joined Summerdale or Libero. It wasnt until the final days we foolishly abandoned Thulsoma for Summerdale that we began our sojourn to Asylon.
So his region was switching, not him, due to the region starving thus losing loyalty to the realm you were in, and thus automatically joining the realms that high sympathies? Also, thank you for the details. Likely not today, but sometime in the next couple of days I should have a summary made on you from the wiki and then you can fill in any details if you want. Also it is IC, so I will have some bias though it might not be all my own bias. Hmmm, I got my info from the wiki, which is IC so technically I think I would have to put the info I get from you on the wiki for me to able to use it.
Yes thats what was happening. We were under near perpetual attacks for months. It befuddles me how we survived and thrived. Kind of like Asylon. The caliber of nobles!
Quote from: Glaumring on December 03, 2012, 01:13:04 AM
It wasnt until the final days we foolishly abandoned Thulsoma for Summerdale that we began our sojourn to Asylon. If I could go back I would have stayed and fought back Libero and conquered Summerdale. I believed we could join Summerdale and then retake Thulsoma, but the nobles of Summerdale were generally niave.
So you and Randemicos left because you saw Thulsoma as being hopeless to win the war so you hoped that by joining Summerdale you could reconquer Thulsoma's past lands and recreate the realm?
Quote from: Glaumring on December 03, 2012, 01:54:54 AM
Yes thats what was happening. We were under near perpetual attacks for months. It befuddles me how we survived and thrived. Kind of like Asylon. The caliber of nobles!
You mean, like most colonies on Dwilight?
Pretty sure it was the same for Caerwyn. Certainly was the same for D'Hara, Barca, and Terran.
Quote from: Chénier on December 03, 2012, 02:05:46 AM
You mean, like most colonies on Dwilight?
Pretty sure it was the same for Caerwyn. Certainly was the same for D'Hara, Barca, and Terran.
I thought D'hara, Barca, and Terran had the Zuma to clear a lot of the monsters for them? They were in a sort of sweet spot. Caerwyn definitely had it bad with the dark mountains and the central west dwilight plains feeding them some good hordes.
I gotta say Everguard probably had it the worst though. First realm on the west of dwilight, before the hordes were reduced, no foreign backing, surrounded on all sides by fantastic monster breeding grounds... those were hard times. Had the monsters not been so bad, we would've been able to hold off Astrum. Having allies would've helped too :'(
@Glaumring,
Can you send the Igelfeld family a message IG for me, asking him to go on forum? He has an advy in Asylon.
Quote from: Chénier on December 03, 2012, 02:05:46 AM
You mean, like most colonies on Dwilight?
Pretty sure it was the same for Caerwyn. Certainly was the same for D'Hara, Barca, and Terran.
Yes, like most colonies. Except Thulsoma was founded with no backing, maybe 300 gold and 130 infantrymen spread out between two nobles in a region literally seething with beasts. Plus, Morek ignored us, Libero wanted us dead believing we were a supported Virovene colony, Summerdale was made up of Ravians who didnt trust Virovenians and the only kingdom who spoke with us was Corsanctum. Thulsoma wasnt founded with planning , it was just created out of sheer willpower and daring that Dwilight had never seen before, making Randemicos and myself near gods.
Quote from: Glaumring on December 03, 2012, 03:44:52 AM
Thulsoma wasnt founded with planning , it was just created out of sheer willpower and daring that Dwilight had never seen before, making Randemicos and myself near gods.
Praise the flying Glaumring monster, and his noodley appendages of questionable morals!
And thus spake Glaumring and hark the kingdom of Thulsoma was his and his only. Hark! Spake Glaumring and from the freshly fallen snow was Randemicos formed as first man upon Dwilight and it was done and Glaumring found happiness and it was good and then didst Glaumring rest on the final day... And Chenier was cast into a flaming lake of gayness and it was done and all of Dwilight didst laugh...
Quote from: BarticaBoat on December 03, 2012, 02:16:55 AM
I thought D'hara, Barca, and Terran had the Zuma to clear a lot of the monsters for them? They were in a sort of sweet spot. Caerwyn definitely had it bad with the dark mountains and the central west dwilight plains feeding them some good hordes.
I gotta say Everguard probably had it the worst though. First realm on the west of dwilight, before the hordes were reduced, no foreign backing, surrounded on all sides by fantastic monster breeding grounds... those were hard times. Had the monsters not been so bad, we would've been able to hold off Astrum. Having allies would've helped too :'(
The Zuma cleared some of the rogues, yes, and probably are the reason we managed to survive. That doesn't mean, however, that there weren't still a buttload of rogues spawning and that we were fighting tooth and nail for our survival for several RL months, if not over a year (plus D'Hara's constant food shortages for a few more years). The menace of the rogues was a key factor in the creation of the 'moot, as can be clearly seen in the Treaty of the Maroccidens.
Everguard probably had it worst, indeed.
But then again, they were !@#$%^&s to everyone, claimed the entire western continent for themselves, and bullied Caerwyn into relocating. No surprise they never had any allies to help them.
Quote from: BarticaBoat on December 03, 2012, 02:16:55 AM
I thought D'hara, Barca, and Terran had the Zuma to clear a lot of the monsters for them? They were in a sort of sweet spot. Caerwyn definitely had it bad with the dark mountains and the central west dwilight plains feeding them some good hordes.
No they did not. The Zuma defended their own territory, so that relatively little monster spawn wandered over from Zuma lands to ours. But they did not clear out monsters in our territory or in the rogue lands near us.
Yeah ok whatever, D'Hara and Terran still had it so much easier than the red-headed bastard stepchild that was Thulsoma.
The Zuma monster grinder did wonders for protecting Terran and Barca. Even if they didn't actively patrol Terran lands, no monster spawn came out of Zuma lands, and any monsters that wandered into there never came back. Realms like Astrum and Niselur didn't have any of that advantage. All those realm-kiling packs we saw the Zuma beating up? Well, everyone else had to deal with them ourselves. I'm not saying that Terran and Barca didn't have to struggle against monsters, but you have to give the Zuma quite a bit of credit for sweeping things clear, even if it was passive.
LOL, people not adjacent to the Divides reminiscing about apocalyptic levels of monster spawning.
Quote from: Indirik on December 03, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
The Zuma monster grinder did wonders for protecting Terran and Barca. Even if they didn't actively patrol Terran lands, no monster spawn came out of Zuma lands, and any monsters that wandered into there never came back. Realms like Astrum and Niselur didn't have any of that advantage. All those realm-kiling packs we saw the Zuma beating up? Well, everyone else had to deal with them ourselves. I'm not saying that Terran and Barca didn't have to struggle against monsters, but you have to give the Zuma quite a bit of credit for sweeping things clear, even if it was passive.
No, monsters did wander in from Zuma lands. Reduced yes, but we were still fighting them.
Again, the Zuma did not "sweep things clear." They killed many of the monsters that came into their land. They never once to my knowledge moved out and cleared anything beyond their borders.
Quote from: Indirik on December 03, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
Realms like Astrum and Niselur didn't have any of that advantage.
Astrum has the advantage that Libidizedd is quite protected by gthe sea. That gives you a safe revenue base. Darfix, Donghaiwei, Poryatown were all wide open.
Asylon got hit bad a few times after Caerwyn fell but prior to that the Zuma have actively hunted in our lands. Asylon is the favoured blonde haired blue-eyed first son of the Zuma. And Glaumring is the greatest hero of western Dwilight and loved by all. Chenier is hated by his own mother... Its true.
Quote from: Glaumring on December 03, 2012, 04:57:13 PM
Asylon got hit bad a few times after Caerwyn fell but prior to that the Zuma have actively hunted in our lands. Asylon is the favoured blonde haired blue-eyed first son of the Zuma. And Glaumring is the greatest hero of western Dwilight and loved by all. Chenier is hated by his own mother... Its true.
Interesting; I didn't know the Zuma actively helped Asylon like that.
Obviously, they never did anything similar for Terran.
We were helped by the Zuma several times until Artemesia mucked up stuff.
Quote from: Indirik on December 03, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
The Zuma monster grinder did wonders for protecting Terran and Barca. Even if they didn't actively patrol Terran lands, no monster spawn came out of Zuma lands, and any monsters that wandered into there never came back. Realms like Astrum and Niselur didn't have any of that advantage. All those realm-kiling packs we saw the Zuma beating up? Well, everyone else had to deal with them ourselves. I'm not saying that Terran and Barca didn't have to struggle against monsters, but you have to give the Zuma quite a bit of credit for sweeping things clear, even if it was passive.
Yea, the Zuma beat down realm-killing sized hordes by us. But then again, such hordes simply didn't spawn in the North. Large hordes spawned, for sure. But the very large hordes were rare and mostly stuck around the mountains. And the Zuma didn't clear all of the large hordes either.
And if they removed a few rogue threats, they compensated plenty by sending their own armies against us on multiple occasions.
I remember hordes of several thousand CS in the north. They popped up a lot before the north was fully settled. Back in the day Morek lost many regions to big monster hordes.
Oh yes, we definitely had huge groups wandering around. I wasn't too uncommon for there to be individual groups of 3K or 4K, with regions holding upwards of 8k or 9K.
AFAIK, the biggest we ever had to deal with in Terran was in the 6k-7k range; 3k was more usual.
Quote from: Indirik on December 04, 2012, 12:43:32 AM
Oh yes, we definitely had huge groups wandering around. I wasn't too uncommon for there to be individual groups of 3K or 4K, with regions holding upwards of 8k or 9K.
Did they ever attack your cities?
The only such large hordes I knew of were in the mountains, and AFAIK, remained there.
The Asylon realm thread, where we discuss monsters ;)...
And Glaumring, it was in Storms end a young son of a cheif rose to the ranks of Thulsoman nobility, later followed Glaumring south and now is one of Asylons most honored Dukes, if anyone would ask him or his sworn Lords. :P
Quote from: Chénier on December 03, 2012, 12:58:30 PM
The Zuma cleared some of the rogues, yes, and probably are the reason we managed to survive. That doesn't mean, however, that there weren't still a buttload of rogues spawning and that we were fighting tooth and nail for our survival for several RL months, if not over a year (plus D'Hara's constant food shortages for a few more years). The menace of the rogues was a key factor in the creation of the 'moot, as can be clearly seen in the Treaty of the Maroccidens.
Everguard probably had it worst, indeed.
But then again, they were !@#$%^&s to everyone, claimed the entire western continent for themselves, and bullied Caerwyn into relocating. No surprise they never had any allies to help them.
that was all the player of the arylon family... trust me, we moderated him somewhat. The Caerwyn thing was a great piece of sabre rattling when we were nearly in shambles though.
Quote from: Vellos on December 03, 2012, 03:20:33 PM
No they did not. The Zuma defended their own territory, so that relatively little monster spawn wandered over from Zuma lands to ours. But they did not clear out monsters in our territory or in the rogue lands near us.
I meant the Zuma were right there. In the North we had the Nifel peninsula spewing monsters to Morek and Valkyrja, the dark mountains dropping down towards Eidulb and Gelene and the north plains hordes sweeping around doing whatever they want. Many an order back in the day was hold in Gelene and Valkyrja until the monsters leave.
Quote from: Indirik on December 03, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
The Zuma monster grinder did wonders for protecting Terran and Barca. Even if they didn't actively patrol Terran lands, no monster spawn came out of Zuma lands, and any monsters that wandered into there never came back. Realms like Astrum and Niselur didn't have any of that advantage. All those realm-kiling packs we saw the Zuma beating up? Well, everyone else had to deal with them ourselves. I'm not saying that Terran and Barca didn't have to struggle against monsters, but you have to give the Zuma quite a bit of credit for sweeping things clear, even if it was passive.
Imagine what it was like in the north when even more of it was unconquered, and the monster spawn rate wasn't reduced. I think the most i saw in a region was 14k, the general basically said "let's hope they're not hungry" and they split up
Quote from: Chénier on December 03, 2012, 11:43:21 PM
Yea, the Zuma beat down realm-killing sized hordes by us. But then again, such hordes simply didn't spawn in the North. Large hordes spawned, for sure. But the very large hordes were rare and mostly stuck around the mountains. And the Zuma didn't clear all of the large hordes either.
And if they removed a few rogue threats, they compensated plenty by sending their own armies against us on multiple occasions.
see above post, huge 8-11k hordes did attack everguard a few times. we simply turtled up and hoped they would leave, then reconquered lost lands. Biggest to attack Gelene was 6-7k? Aquitain got simply manhandled, as did the Shrine.
Aye, Grimrog you have not been forgotten. We would not have been able to do it without you.
Quote from: Glaumring on December 04, 2012, 07:57:39 AM
Aye, Grimrog you have not been forgotten. We would not have been able to do it without you.
*egoboost*
Quote from: BarticaBoat on December 04, 2012, 04:20:23 AM
see above post, huge 8-11k hordes did attack everguard a few times. we simply turtled up and hoped they would leave, then reconquered lost lands. Biggest to attack Gelene was 6-7k? Aquitain got simply manhandled, as did the Shrine.
We didn't have that luxury when the Zuma attacked. ;)
King Randemicos is gone, no where to be found and rumors of his death are traveling across the realm.
Two nobles has stepped forward to claim the vacant throne.
Duke Grimrog Bjarnson and Leofricus Draekarne, will Asylon stay true to its unity and elect a new monarch, or will blood and fighting see who is the one to rule...
He served long and was a great general and steady hand as a ruler. He was my friend and will be missed.
King Who?1 is gone, and shall be replaced either by Who?2 or Who?3.
Asylon stories are boring, nobody's noteworthy there.
Quote from: Chénier on December 25, 2012, 04:46:12 AM
King Who?1 is gone, and shall be replaced either by Who?2 or Who?3.
Asylon stories are boring, nobody's noteworthy there.
That's not pointlessly mean at all.
Quote from: Marlboro on December 25, 2012, 05:43:48 AM
That's not pointlessly mean at all.
A bit rude, but his point is, all of those listed aren't that well known outside of Asylon.
We are a humble realm of nobles who merely strive to serve their realm.
Quote from: Glaumring on December 25, 2012, 07:30:53 AM
We are a humble realm of nobles who merely strive to serve their realm.
Making friends and having power, outside the realm, can make you considerably better at government positions.
Quote from: Penchant on December 25, 2012, 07:08:46 AM
A bit rude, but his point is, all of those listed aren't that well known outside of Asylon.
Indeed. I didn't mean to be rude, these could be excellent players with very fun characters.
We just can't try to follow the elections because we have no clue who any of them are. It's not as if Mendicant got captured and then all of a sudden Allison decided to run against him.
Quote from: Chénier on December 25, 2012, 04:46:12 AM
King Who?1 is gone, and shall be replaced either by Who?2 or Who?3.
Asylon stories are boring, nobody's noteworthy there.
Found that a bit rude, as it was a small attempt to actually show you something from within the iron wall of Asylon.
But i guess it dont matter, I dont know or care much about other realms or their character aswell. Can pretty much count the non-Asylonians i know of and care about on one hand. So I am not offended at all.
And as far as I know, the forums seems content with beliving Glaumring is the only Asylonian there is, so guess we will keep it at that then =D.
Quote from: Chénier on December 25, 2012, 03:42:33 PM
Indeed. I didn't mean to be rude, these could be excellent players with very fun characters.
We just can't try to follow the elections because we have no clue who any of them are. It's not as if Mendicant got captured and then all of a sudden Allison decided to run against him.
Ok, I understand, point taken.
Unfortunaly I dont see why my character that is a Duke in Asylon, with no other realms bordering his Duchy should get involved in other realms buisness. But I am sure that will change if he is crowned King.
plus, Not everyone can be the superstars of Dwilight, some of us need to wait our turn and later on enter the global story arch.
Quote from: Chénier on December 25, 2012, 04:46:12 AM
King Who?1 is gone, and shall be replaced either by Who?2 or Who?3.
Asylon stories are boring, nobody's noteworthy there.
Given this is the
Asylon realm thread, that seemed unnecessary.
Quote from: Velax on December 25, 2012, 04:16:51 PM
Given this is the Asylon realm thread, that seemed unnecessary.
I was just trying to poke a bit of fun at them for Asylon issues tending to remain very local.
And D'Harans seem to meddle and put their nose in any hole around.
Quote from: Glaumring on December 25, 2012, 05:15:48 PM
And D'Harans seem to meddle and put their nose in any hole around.
Can't help it, it's forced upon us!
Well, if your own politics are boring you, butt into someone else's!
Us Farronites care deeply for Asylon's affairs, and those who are in power.
Yea! Asylon should declare war on the Repubic! ;)
I have this weird feeling that this will be a highly, highly unlikely event.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on December 25, 2012, 05:44:20 PM
I have this weird feeling that this will be a highly, highly unlikely event.
They need to get out of their mud holes every now and then!
Well,
Priestess Ven who we all remember was killed by D'Harans. So, she is gone.
Myself, I am preaching and not involved in politics like I was before. And because I was all pervasive I have decided to sit back and allow others to grow and run the kingdom. Asylonians are highly independent and almost xenophobic. We follow our monarchy and each leader until now has been recommended by the previous, until now. We are having a true election outside of the established kings decree which will be interesting.
Leofricus was once king of Thulsoma for a short period and Grimrog has served since Thulsoma. Pre-Saxon era I might add. Asylon is also founded on the right of revolution, we support any nobles desire to overthrow the monarchy and establish his own kingship if they have enough support, nothing but monarchists are allowed. But kings must rule by popular support of the nobles.death or retirement being the only other ways to end a reign.
The majority of Asylonians are a collection of old players and some new. I am proud to have kept many loyal nobles. Over the years we lost a few to death or they left like Lady Sianon Eldrake.
Quote from: Glaumring on December 26, 2012, 12:42:08 AM
Myself, I am preaching and not involved in politics like I was before. And because I was all pervasive I have decided to sit back and allow others to grow and run the kingdom. Asylonians are highly independent and almost xenophobic. We follow our monarchy and each leader until now has been recommended by the previous, until now. We are having a true election outside of the established kings decree which will be interesting.
Leofricus was once king of Thulsoma for a short period and Grimrog has served since Thulsoma. Pre-Saxon era I might add. Asylon is also founded on the right of revolution, we support any nobles desire to overthrow the monarchy and establish his own kingship if they have enough support, nothing but monarchists are allowed. But kings must rule by popular support of the nobles.death or retirement being the only other ways to end a reign.
Sounds a little to the Visigothic monarchies in the Early Middle Age, with a mixture of electing-appointment system... Well, maybe they recoured more frequently to the rivals-backstabbing. Mortality was quite high among Visigothic kings ;D
Anyway it fits nice with the background I've read about Asylon. I mean, not the backstabbing thing.
@Glaumring, Based on the RP given to our judge, the judge was doing her a favor by killing her, as in, she role played herself someone who death a gift because of all the pain she had.
It's from eating all that poisonous fruit...
No, The eaters of Bloodmoon do not believe in an afterlife, there is merely this life and the one unseen. Using Bloodmoon opens up the vision into the other realm. Death does not exist, it is merely a state of mind. One thing that many do not realize is that Ven is still alive but has gone inside the other realm, the 'forest of the Green hind'. This means that she is lost but still can be contacted if she is ever found again.
The first plane is that of the forest and the home of the Green hind, once meeting the deer you will follow it on a journey. The Hind is tricky though and will lead you all about. There are several other planes, the Fox, the Bear, the Crow, but they are difficult to get to and most people spend their entire journey in the forest. Glaumring hasnt even been beyond the forest, but there has been others who have travelled further out. If you ever wonder why anyone would know there were other levels its because sometimes they can speak to the Green hind and other times they cannot, depending on what lesson is being taught. The Green hind will sometimes tell ultimate truth and then in the next sentence the deepest darkest lies. The Hind is the gate keeper and purposefully acts this way to make sure that not just anyone travels beyond the forest.
Lady Ven founded the faith and rose quickly in its knowledge. We believe that she ate the Bloodmoon and wandered following the Green hind and when she was captured knew that she was only able to pass over into the next level without her body. The D'Harans have unknowingly helped her to achieve this goal and to help our faith beyond words, for very few would willingly sacrifice their lives to test the theory. We now know that Lady Ven did survive and she is somewhere on the otherside of the forest. She may have made it to the very end. All Glaumring and the other followers know is what the Hind tells them on their sacred journies. (IE:Whether it is truth or a lie that is for our IG characters to discover.)
The fruit is merely a tool to access other realms beyond the earthly, it is like a sword, or hammer, it has a single purpose to allow mankind to see and do what has long been forgotten by their kind. It is a reminder that we are not the kings of the world and that even we are humbled by nature and blind without its teachings. It is the ultimate way of saying " For all your kingdoms, your battles and your gods you are merely blind mewling children, the truth is here and now and you cannot see it, eat this fruit and for a moment glimpse the mind of god'
Duke Grimrog was crowned King of Asylon.
60 votes vs 8
I think worshipping Daimons would have been better than worshipping some fruit...
Quote from: Zaki on December 29, 2012, 05:34:12 AM
I think worshipping Daimons would have been better than worshipping some fruit...
+1, that way you get to have plenty of Zuma interaction too. Maybe require a pilgrimage to Nightmarch and Haktoo is just like, wtf why so many vistors?
The Zuma never approved of their worship. And our fruit worship stretches from Astrum to Aurvandiil and has a history since Thulsoma.
Quote from: Glaumring on December 29, 2012, 09:05:57 AM
The Zuma never approved of their worship. And our fruit worship stretches from Astrum to Aurvandiil and has a history since Thulsoma.
Who says you need to have approval? They say no, they are just being humble anyways is the other answer you say.
Quote from: Penchant on December 29, 2012, 09:09:54 AM
Who says you need to have approval? They say no, they are just being humble anyways is the other answer you say.
We say, because doing something onesided and that would upset the Zuma is no fun, upset Daimons tend to scorch realms.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on December 29, 2012, 08:05:08 PM
We say, because doing something onesided and that would upset the Zuma is no fun, upset Daimons tend to scorch realms.
If you don't ask in the first place and never tell the Zuma, they won't know as they rarely leave their lands, and you can claim you had no idea they would be offended. Also upset daimons tend to do nothing, as they are at war with Morek yet I don't see them being scorched.
Why dont you guys start the religion? Asylons not interested in worshipping Daimons. They will soon eat the sacred fruit instead.
Quote from: Penchant on December 29, 2012, 08:24:39 PM
If you don't ask in the first place and never tell the Zuma, they won't know as they rarely leave their lands, and you can claim you had no idea they would be offended. Also upset daimons tend to do nothing, as they are at war with Morek yet I don't see them being scorched.
And how would you defend that IC-wise? As we live neighbours to them and if we would worship them, we would most likley build shrines or whatever and do our best to gain their blessings, cant get blessed if you stay hidden from the things you worship.
But this discussion is filling no purpose. As Glaumring say, most of us stick to our fruit, the rest of us worship the stars or the elements. If you want to move to Asylon and start a religion where you worship the daimons, you are welcome to do so. Asylon support religious freedom.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on December 30, 2012, 12:29:48 AM
And how would you defend that IC-wise? As we live neighbours to them and if we would worship them, we would most likley build shrines or whatever and do our best to gain their blessings, cant get blessed if you stay hidden from the things you worship.
But this discussion is filling no purpose. As Glaumring say, most of us stick to our fruit, the rest of us worship the stars or the elements. If you want to move to Asylon and start a religion where you worship the daimons, you are welcome to do so. Asylon support religious freedom.
Really? I will do that then. :D But I need to save up some gold first...
Quote from: Zaki on December 30, 2012, 12:59:33 AM
Really? I will do that then. :D But I need to save up some gold first...
Oh I thought you were running for ruler of LN. ::) ;)
Quote from: Lorgan on December 30, 2012, 01:01:04 AM
Oh I thought you were running for ruler of LN. ::) ;)
That too. If I succeed, we worship daimons muwhahaah
In Asylon we want nobles to start religions of all sorts. We support and allow all faiths to preach in our lands, build temples and shrines as you please.
Quote from: Glaumring on February 06, 2013, 04:27:48 AM
Thinly veiled threats are fairly ambiguous. Anyways this has nothing to do with CoB take it too the Asylon thread or something.
Quotewe will not fail one of the few friends of Asylon.
QuoteUnfortunate chain of events, I would rather seen our realms remained at peace.
Without seeing whatever Grimrog was supposedly replying to, looks like a threat to me as it did to others. I am not saying it was meant to be for sure after hearing a bit of Grimrogs side but to D'hara, it sounded like a threat.
Hmm, so did he show you my full letters? or just theese sentances?
I could post our whole correspondence here, but I do not play that way, and I lack faith in too many players of this game beeing able to keep IC and OOC seperate.
But to add to your paranoia: Asylon and Farronites are allied, allowing us to march through their lands, create a fleet and invade D'haran islands. Im not saying that we will do that, but im sure you can copy and paste this into whatever you want.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on February 06, 2013, 04:48:39 AM
Hmm, so did he show you my full letters? or just theese sentances?
I could post our whole correspondence here, but I do not play that way, and I lack faith in too many players of this game beeing able to keep IC and OOC seperate.
But to add to your paranoia: Asylon and Farronites are allied, allowing us to march through their lands, create a fleet and invade D'haran islands. Im not saying that we will do that, but im sure you can copy and paste this into whatever you want.
He showed only the letter that contained those sentences which was in its entirety but due to the lack of any other correspondence shown or suggested, it sounds like a threat to us. As to your adding of paranoia, we aren't really worried just pissed.
Quote from: Penchant on February 06, 2013, 04:52:44 AM
He showed only the letter that contained those sentences which was in its entirety but due to the lack of any other correspondence shown or suggested, it sounds like a threat to us. As to your adding of paranoia, we aren't really worried just pissed.
Ok, I understand. Makes me wonder why he wants to piss you off...
Let the spin begin!
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on February 06, 2013, 05:00:46 AM
Ok, I understand. Makes me wonder why he wants to piss you off...
Seeing it from you have shared so far, it seems like its not a threat but it seems he saw it as a threat too as that's what he said. I will try to refrain from posting any other IG things from now on though atm, though if you wanted to privately share your correspondence, I wouldn't complain in the least ;)
I havent even shared it with my trusted council ingame, so no. It was a conversation that I thought was private between two rulers, and I will treat as such. I rarley post on the forums since most of the time i see too much people blabbing about stuff that should be resolved IC. Nothing aimed at you, just trying to keep it clean and seperate IC from OOC.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on February 06, 2013, 06:44:09 AM
I havent even shared it with my trusted council ingame, so no. It was a conversation that I thought was private between two rulers, and I will treat as such. I rarley post on the forums since most of the time i see too much people blabbing about stuff that should be resolved IC. Nothing aimed at you, just trying to keep it clean and seperate IC from OOC.
Completely understandable though to the council notion, D'hara is a republic so important things like threats are shared with the House of Lords.
Oh, I would share threats with my council aswell, or the fact if I was going to go and threat someone.
Just gonna say it: if FR allowed Asylon to march through their lands and attack D'Hara, given the present difficulties facing FR and the present composition of the elders, pretty damn sure there'd be some nasty consequences for the Farronite Republic.
Quote from: Vellos on February 06, 2013, 07:24:12 AM
Just gonna say it: if FR allowed Asylon to march through their lands and attack D'Hara, given the present difficulties facing FR and the present composition of the elders, pretty damn sure there'd be some nasty consequences for the Farronite Republic.
How good there wont be any marching. Asylon have researched airships now.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on February 06, 2013, 07:25:27 AM
How good there wont be any marching. Asylon have researched airships now.
Ah, well, that's a different matter entirely.
Quote from: Vellos on February 06, 2013, 07:24:12 AM
Just gonna say it: if FR allowed Asylon to march through their lands and attack D'Hara, given the present difficulties facing FR and the present composition of the elders, pretty damn sure there'd be some nasty consequences for the Farronite Republic.
The likelihood of that is about the same as the Farronite Republic being able to conquer Aurvandil all on its lonesome.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on February 06, 2013, 07:30:21 AM
The likelihood of that is about the same as the Farronite Republic being able to conquer Aurvandil all on its lonesome.
The nasty consequences or the allowing of the marching/flying of troops?
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on February 06, 2013, 07:30:21 AM
The likelihood of that is about the same as the Farronite Republic being able to conquer Aurvandil all on its lonesome.
Of what? Fr letting Asylon march through, or SA realms mobilizing against FR if it did happen?
Because both look quite plausible to me.
Allowing them to march through. If we had made any alliance with Asylon, it was defensive only. No support for aggressive actions against other realms. Although now the likelihood of an alliance with Asylon is dwindling.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on February 06, 2013, 07:34:59 AM
Allowing them to march through. If we had made any alliance with Asylon, it was defensive only. No support for aggressive actions against other realms. Although now the likelihood of an alliance with Asylon is dwindling.
Well, according to the Diplomatic Relations chart we already are allied. But maybe I am the only one taking that chart seriously.
And yes, it is ONLY an defensive alliance.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on February 06, 2013, 07:34:59 AM
Although now the likelihood of an alliance with Asylon is dwindling.
Really? Thats the first time I hear that, and that makes me a bit sad...
If FR continues the way it's going, we're going to see a crusade against it pretty soon.
FR will throw Asylon under the bus. Asylon will fight off the world alone.
Gustav are you a republican or a theocrat? Honest question.
Quote from: Glaumring on February 06, 2013, 03:20:43 PM
Gustav are you a republican or a theocrat? Honest question.
Gustav is a good guy.
I had thought this also but perhaps I was wrong.
Glaumring has gone off the rails again.
...on a crazy train?
Quote from: Feylonis on February 06, 2013, 04:24:54 PM
Glaumring has gone off the rails again.
Says the traitor...
A fairly level-headed traitor ;)
Quote from: Feylonis on February 06, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
A fairly level-headed traitor ;)
But still a traitor.
I choose my loud Madman Glaumring any day over a traitor, level-headed or not, atleast I know how the madman works and that he is loyal until death and beyond.
Better the ramblings of a mad man to the lies of a level headed traitor.
Quote from: Glaumring on February 06, 2013, 03:20:43 PM
Gustav are you a republican or a theocrat? Honest question.
Neither, he's a monarchist.
Cool so am I lol
Quote from: vonGenf on February 06, 2013, 03:37:35 PM
Gustav is a good guy.
I try to play him as frustrated with everything going on with both sides, and trying to get out from between a rock and a hard place.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on February 06, 2013, 10:23:14 PM
I try to play him as frustrated with everything going on with both sides, and trying to get out from between a rock and a hard place.
Well the frustrated part is definitely true, with your peaceful rage quit in SA.
He's back at the Knight of the Temple rank.
Quote from: Gustav Kuriga on February 06, 2013, 11:10:53 PM
He's back at the Knight of the Temple rank.
Nobody knows that though.
Asylon is still fighting in the event that once was known as "The Marrocidenian war" but now is called "Northern realms aggression on Asylonian-Aruvandilian alliance treaty" by Asylonian scholars.
Currently Morek is occupying one Asylonian province as the Asylonian defenders are rallying to march north to repel the invaders while dispatching messengers to their "friends", the Zuma Daimons.
Decided it was time to contribute to this thread:
*ahem
Rynn and Grimdawg be homies, yo.
That is all.
I was kind of wondering if this war would peace-out because it is kind of a war over nothing now.
I mean, Astrum and friends came into it against Asylon to help Terran, and Asylon was attacking Terran to help Aurvandil. Now Terran is gone and Aurvandil is not really at war with Terran or the 'Moot anymore.
Meaning the Asylon-Astrum continues on for expired reasons at this point. Not that new reasons/goals can't be quickly decided upon, of course.
We are working on a peace but Astrum wants to fight more. Its an embarrassing drunk dad fight now. ;D
Quote from: Perth on April 18, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
I mean, Astrum and friends came into it against Asylon to help Terran, and Asylon was attacking Terran to help Aurvandil. Now Terran is gone and Aurvandil is not really at war with Terran or the 'Moot anymore.
Says the Phantarian with a food supply.
GIVE US US FOOD AND PEACE TREATY!
I guess Aslyon's "friends" just declared war against their only ally just about now for some reason.
Asylon has friends?
Eh, that is what Sir Grimrog seemed to insinuate about the Zuma. But then again, I'm usually wrong about those kind of things, so oh well.
Quote from: Daimall on April 19, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
Eh, that is what Sir Grimrog seemed to insinuate about the Zuma. But then again, I'm usually wrong about those kind of things, so oh well.
Oh, the Zuma. Yes they are our only friends to an extent. Asylon and the Zuma have a mutually beneficial arrangement to help each other in certain ways but it isn't like the relationship with human realms. Asylons believes in building quality relationships not a quantity. We are exclusive about our alliances and do not take them lightly.
And that has put us in a akward position now when the Zuma and Aurvandil are at eachoters throats. But so far neither have asked us to send raiding parties at eachoter. So its all good so far =).
News:
Asylon has accepted the terms offered by Morek Empire and Corsanctum and ended their alliance with Aurvandil and are now awaiting to return to a neutral stance with the two realms. The war with Astrum seem to carry on though, since no terms have been yet given by the Astrumite Vasilif, since their previous casus belli (defending Terran) has become invalid.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on April 23, 2013, 12:27:18 AM
News:
Asylon has accepted the terms offered by Morek Empire and Corsanctum and ended their alliance with Aurvandil and are now awaiting to return to a neutral stance with the two realms. The war with Astrum seem to carry on though, since no terms have been yet given by the Astrumite Vasilif, since their previous casus belli (defending Terran) has become invalid.
Here's hoping, "Feed Terran!" is one of the terms.
Quote from: Vellos on April 23, 2013, 02:17:25 AM
Here's hoping, "Feed Terran!" is one of the terms.
"Feed on Terran!" seems more likely. ;)
Quote from: Chénier on April 23, 2013, 02:27:22 AM
"Feed on Terran!" seems more likely. ;)
Hey... how about you feed Terran?
Feed me? Pls? For old times sake?
Quote from: Vellos on April 23, 2013, 02:30:05 AM
Hey... how about you feed Terran?
Feed me? Pls? For old times sake?
I already fed you, a few weeks back.
And now I feel like I'll regret having done so.
Quote from: Chénier on April 23, 2013, 02:57:45 AM
I already fed you, a few weeks back.
And now I feel like I'll regret having done so.
Feed me more.
We're buds.
Quote from: Vellos on April 23, 2013, 04:32:16 AM
Feed me more.
We're buds.
We will feed you only the sacred flowers of Bloodmoon. 8)
Quote from: Vellos on April 23, 2013, 04:32:16 AM
Feed me more.
We're buds.
Urge to employ scroll of decay rising :p
Please do.
It would be merciful.
Quote from: Vellos on April 23, 2013, 04:32:16 AM
Feed me more.
We're buds.
You feed me, then we'll consider it.
Use the scroll and end their misery.
Quote from: Stabbity on April 23, 2013, 05:18:53 AM
Urge to employ scroll of decay rising :p
With how little food we have, I don't think even an increase in decay would do much. We're way below any decay thresholds.
It doesn't increase decay rates. It causes food in a region to instantly rot.
Quote from: Stabbity on April 24, 2013, 03:13:11 AM
It doesn't increase decay rates. It causes food in a region to instantly rot.
Aww hell naw man.
Didn't you hear that Luria was sending its best trader? Her name is Jonsu Himoura. She knows everything about food, trust me.
:)
I'll make you a deal you can't refuse.
We who usualy hijack threads, salute you =D
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on April 24, 2013, 11:39:37 AM
We who usualy hijack threads, salute you =D
;D we must be doing somethig right because they arent here complaining about how naughty Asylon is.
Quote from: Glaumring the Fox on April 24, 2013, 01:36:10 PM
;D we must be doing somethig right because they arent here complaining about how naughty Asylon is.
You're signing peace treaties and going back to your usual backwaterness.
Sounds about right.
Proud barbarian kingdom that we are.
Asylon has taken two regions from its enemy Astrum, but will we be able to hold them? That is the question my friends. An mighty Astrum arny has begun crossing the border into Walefishire that we recently took.
The vast army of Astrum towers over the savage barbarians from Asylon that holds their city, but will Astrum bring enough to retake what was theirs, or will their army arrive in waves and get crushed at the thick walls, with Asylonian arrows piercing their dead.
Stay tuned, because the fun has just begun!
So Asylon has been doomed, the cultists see it approaching and the Asylonian nobles discuss where we should exodus...
So, strictly OOC, who is offering what for another 40 nobles lusting for blood and land?
we count 43 nobles but I know that one is heading north, one is probably going to D'hara and the last one that wont follow the King will most likley take on the Zuma...
Offers may be stated here, or sent in PM ;) =D
Join Niselur in crushing Corsanctum!
Meh Corsanctum, they'd be stuck between a rock and hard spot afterwards seeing as mama Morek wont tolerate it.
I always wanted to bring Grimrog and Glaumring back to where they first met, where the warrior poet Glaumring inspired a young son of a warcheif in Storms End that there was Glory to be had if he followed the southerner to adventure and conquest.
Little did he know that he would become the King of mighty Asylon and then lead a armada of Longships back across that ocean...
I've been seriously injured couple of days. Dont you guys dare to leave me!
Quote from: sharkattack on March 04, 2014, 07:27:46 AM
I've been seriously injured couple of days. Dont you guys dare to leave me!
Dont worry, we are still waiting for the 9000 Longships to be finished.
Quote from: Sir Grimrog Bjarnson on March 04, 2014, 11:01:34 AM
Dont worry, we are still waiting for the 9000 Longships to be finished.
Try not to get eaten by monsters in the meantime! Also leave me alone, shoo! There's a tropical paradise yours for the taking , just keep sailing west and you're sure to run into it!
I am also wounded in Wallershire. I will see you all in Stormskeep! Muhahaha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C2K889u_90
Did anyone watch the latest episodes of History Channels Vikings?
Some scenes there was VERY fitting for Asylons current fate.
This link is to the full episode that found on youtube, to avoid spoilers just go to the 28.50 mark and enjoy that scene on the field.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1AWU6qiHHg
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/47987536.jpg)
My contribution to the memes. Immigrant Song, of course.
Unicorn is farting a rainbow? really? LOL
It's a trip of Bloodmoon Fruit, bitches! LOL
How else could we scale the walls of Unterstrom with such ease, we rode Unicorns that farted into flight.
Asylon = 8)
And now the real fun can start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vo5Rn4dwhs
I think we have successfully created the weirdest realm borders ever... :-\
Muwahahhaha! Asylon spreads its grip far, wide and in no orderly fashion!
I don't know, D'Hara was pretty darn wide before the rogue spawns in the East.