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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Draco Tanos on September 04, 2011, 09:46:16 PM
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So, I've been thinking about various things in the East Continent. Regional names, cultures, heck... Even a name for our continent beyond "East Continent" or "East Island". I'd love to see this continent, the oldest, have a real history that makes Dwilight's pale in comparison.
Let's start with something simple: Nationality names. Honestly, I'm uncertain what some realms call their citizens. I'd like to see what the "correct" terminology is to be truthful. Let's start off with current realms, then work on historical/fallen realms later.
Caligus - Caligan
Fontan - Fontanese
Ibladesh - Ibladeshi
Obsidian Islands - Not sure here. I've taken to call them Kalmarans, though some have called them Islanders.
Perdan - Perdanese
Sirion - Sirionite
Sultanate of Asena - Asenan
Westmoor - Westmoorian
The wiki lists some geographical features, the so-called "Major Geographical Features". But who named them? Why? What real world/historical/fantasy cultures are the various realms based on? Westmoor, for instance, I've always seen as closer to England or Brittany. Perdan I see as more French. So many things to look at.
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write about Oligarch. That's the one realm I really miss. With their military culture and all.
Many of those original realms actually originated in SpellMaster and had a bit of history there.
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Ibladeshian is probably better. And I'm biased towards Oligarch since I started out there :)
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The wiki lists some geographical features, the so-called "Major Geographical Features". But who named them?
If you mean the ones posted on the wiki, well, that would be me.
Why?
Another player (who no longer plays) and I were talking one day and decided it would be fun to do. So we looked around, asked some people what they thought, discovered that there really weren't any that people used, so we made them up. Admittedly, we weren't that creative with most of it. A few more have since been added by a few other people. (And no, I did not name the Astrum Woods on EC...)
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Ibladeshian is probably better. And I'm biased towards Oligarch since I started out there :)
What do they tend to call themselves? I know you're one, but what about the rest? I'm simply curious.
Oligarch... They were the Orcs, right?
Amusingly. Oligarch O'rch >.>
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What do they tend to call themselves? I know you're one, but what about the rest? I'm simply curious.
Oligarch... They were the Orcs, right?
Amusingly. Oligarch O'rch >.>
Or Oligarch, Lich
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Except they called themselves Orcs, not Liches. :P
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Except they called themselves Orcs, not Liches. :P
Just saying you can make all kinds of words if you just pick out the letters you want and disregard the rest. ;)
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Or... You could read what I wrote and sensibly determine it to be what it was intended: Indicating cultural misunderstandings/translation errors resulting in the natives of Oligarch being referred to as Orcs.
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I don't think that was ever intended. The Oligarch name predates BattleMaster, and the whole Sirionite>Elf thing. I am fairly certain that Oligarchians were referred to as orcs simply because Sirionites wanted to be elves, and, well, the obvious enemy of the elves are the orcs.
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Or... You could read what I wrote and sensibly determine it to be what it was intended: Indicating cultural misunderstandings/translation errors resulting in the natives of Oligarch being referred to as Orcs.
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I don't think that was ever intended. The Oligarch name predates BattleMaster, and the whole Sirionite>Elf thing. I am fairly certain that Oligarchians were referred to as orcs simply because Sirionites wanted to be elves, and, well, the obvious enemy of the elves are the orcs.
I highly doubt it was well. This is what I've always heard.
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You folks do realize I'm trying to speak through an in-universe perspective, right? Otherwise Battlemaster's gonna be pretty damned boring when everything historical will turn out "because Tom wanted it that way." =p
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Obsidian Islands - Not sure here. I've taken to call them Kalmarans, though some have called them Islanders.
Kalmar or Kalmarans was one of the realms before OI came around. Most realms, and in OI, go by Islanders.
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The whole Oligarch being Orcs things was nothing but Sirion roleplaying they were orc while they were the elves. Tbh I think its completely dumb that people in Sirion call themselves elves still but thats just my opinion.
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You folks do realize I'm trying to speak through an in-universe perspective, right?
Which is fine. But trying to figure out why Oligarchians are referred to as Orcs is kind of pointless. So far as I am aware, only the Sirionites ever referred to them as that. And I've never, ever heard the term actually used IG.
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Sadly, it's still used in the region description, as composed by a Sirionite when it was occupied by their realm.
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Which is fine. But trying to figure out why Oligarchians are referred to as Orcs is kind of pointless. So far as I am aware, only the Sirionites ever referred to them as that. And I've never, ever heard the term actually used IG.
Speaking as a former ruler of Oligarch, Orcs was just Sirion propaganda. They did call "us" that IG but "we" never referered to ourselves like that.
I think most just said Oligarchian(s).
Besides, the grandfather clause only allows Sirion to be anything else than humans. Oligarchians couldn't be orcs even if they wanted to.
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From what I remember of Oligarch was that some of them portrayed themselves as orcs when they rped, but never said or acknowledged they were. Wasn't a famous Oligarchian named Grom hellscream or something out of warcraft? That where I think the orc idea came from. Sirion i have never been in but I remember when I was in Fontan back before the fountain of light we always called them elves and it gave the game a good amount of rp. And encouraged the younger ones to partake. I think at one point some realm attempted to call themselves dwarves but that later was dismissed since most of the continent was considered only Sirion and Oligarch as other races beside humans.
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From what I remember of Oligarch was that some of them portrayed themselves as orcs when they rped, but never said or acknowledged they were. Wasn't a famous Oligarchian named Grom hellscream or something out of warcraft?
Your right, there where actually oliarchians rping them selves as orcs, untill Tom intervened.
I am not sure who started it, might still be Sirion.
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They might have done that earlier than 2005 :p I don't remember it either way ;)
I do remember Grom Hellscream through. Used to be Duke of Ashforth, if I am not mistaken.
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I don't like the World of Warcraft thing. Instead, I like to use the myth of Tolkien and another RPG or literary sources. Erik Eyolf Serpentis, the last Judge of Sirion and now Duke Avamar is an elf. He has always been one since the first Roleplay and now I have more than 150 RPs just with this character. Widely known in Sirion and by some enemies. We still have a consensus that in Sirion you can choose a human or an elf. That's what attracted me to the realm from the beginning and honestly I have not met a better realm to play in this game. Sincerely, the players have more concerns than discussing whether or not elves are acceptable. Especially when there is no game mechanic that guarantees advantages or disadvantages. For those who played in Beluaterra among intelligent monsters and politicized demons and undeads, I see no reason to endless discussions about the Elven lineage in Sirion.
After I won the seat of Avamar, I tried to find informations in the Wiki. What I found was a fun story, but full of characters with silly names and an intense mixture of OOC and IG. Perhaps because the game had a pleasant low realistic atmosphere that has been escalating to something more serious with the experience of players over the years or the arrival of more experienced players with a lot of RPG concepts.
In Game, my idea is to found a "museum" in Avamar to remember the history of a rebel realm, after taken by Fontan and now is under the Sirionite falg once again. In the Wiki, I want to gather all informations I can about Avamar.
Unfortunately, now I settled down a little with Erik after years of intense activity. Usually it happens when you finally get to be Duke after years playing the game. And I'm working in a new Religion in Beluaterra that is killing my time.
But the idea to have a full history of the East Continent is a good thing. ;)
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Fontanese is quite correct. I thought Ibladeshian suits Ibladesh? ;)
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Ibladeshian has been used for years.
I never did get a good one for Itrount
Oligarch was fun, I was it's first King!
Sirion being associated with 'elves' goes back to SM, hell my character was half elven supposedly.
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Ibladeshian has been used for years.
I never did get a good one for Itrount
Oligarch was fun, I was it's first King!
Sirion being associated with 'elves' goes back to SM, hell my character was half elven supposedly.
Itorunian perhaps? ::)
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We usually just called them 'Runts.
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Ibladeshian has been used for years.
I never did get a good one for Itrount
I called them Ibladeshi ::)
Bangladesh --> Bangladeshi
Ibladesh --> Ibladeshi
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That's kind of my way of thinking on it too, honestly.
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Sorry for the double post, but on the subject of culture...
The name of the continent. "East Continent" doesn't sound all that in character, especially for the oldest continent in the game. I know at one time I mentioned calling it Easterra, though it seems too much like Easter.
What about the rest of you? Ever try putting a name to the land we call home?
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I just call it 'Greater Ibladesh'.
P.S.: We'll be back! ;)
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It used to be called the East Island.
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You and your delusions, Lorgan :P
I know, Indirik, but that's just as bad/OOC feeling as East Continent. The two old War Islands, Far East, and East Continents/Islands are the only ones without In Character names. Just seems strange.
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Why can't "East Island" be an IC name?
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Because it sounds manufactured? Doesn't sound natural. Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, North/South America, Antartica, Beluaterra, Atmara, Dwilight... They mostly fit together. East "Island"? Not so much. Especially for a sprawling continent.
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Because it sounds manufactured? Doesn't sound natural. Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, North/South America, Antartica, Beluaterra, Atmara, Dwilight... They mostly fit together. East "Island"? Not so much. Especially for a sprawling continent.
What do you think Australia means? Or Antarctica?
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the name Australia is derived from the Latin australis, meaning "southern"
Legends of Terra Australis Incognita—an "unknown land of the South"—date back to Roman times and were commonplace in medieval geography, although not based on any documented knowledge of the continent. Following European discovery, names for the Australian landmass were often references to the famed Terra Australis.
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What do you think Australia means? Or Antarctica?
Which I am fine with. Calling it "South/Southern Island" would be ridiculous, however.
Antartica is a romanized form of "opposite to the Arctic/Opposite of the North". Again, the name makes all the difference in comparison to the meaning. If they called it Anti-North, would that truly sound right? Or would you think our ancestors were on crack?
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Which I am fine with. Calling it "South/Southern Island" would be ridiculous, however.
Antartica is a romanized form of "opposite to the Arctic/Opposite of the North". Again, the name makes all the difference in comparison to the meaning. If they called it Anti-North, would that truly sound right? Or would you think our ancestors were on crack?
Right you want something better, look at Australian States
We have Western Australian, why cause it is the western most state
South Australia, yup you guessed it. Oddly enough not the southern most state, but certainly a state in the south of Australia.
Northern Territory, no prizes for why.
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Terms for states and terms for continents don't equate. States are usually pretty horribly named. Continents not so much.
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Terms for states and terms for continents don't equate. States are usually pretty horribly named. Continents not so much.
And yet the reality remains. Humans will use uninventive labels as names. Just because in real life the current names for continents, using the English defaults, doesn't do so, does not mean it is unreasonable for fantasy worlds to do so. Things like Australia sound interesting NOW, but back when Latin was of far greater importance and had far greater usage, it was pretty close to an unimaginative label.
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When Australia was discovered by Europeans, Latin wasn't really of "far greater importance"
"The earliest recorded use of the word Australia in English was in 1625 in "A note of Australia del Espíritu Santo, written by Master Hakluyt", published by Samuel Purchas in Hakluytus Posthumus, a corruption of the original Spanish name Austrialia del Espíritu Santo for an island in Vanuatu."
1625? Latin was mostly a dead language even then except in cases of the Catholic clergy and the more scholarly folk. It wasn't even used to refer to the continent we now know as Australia specifically until the late 1700s.
Either way, find me a place in Europe that has such a silly sounding name that wasn't named within the last 200 years. Remember, the EC is essentially the birthplace of the game, yet it has one of the lamest names. It's the East Continent/Island? East of -what-?
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Because it sounds manufactured?
It only sounds manufactured to you because it's your native tongue. If we translated it into some language you didn't know, it would suddenly sound much better to you.
And, honestly, East Island (or East Continent, if you prefer) has been going for so long that the name is stuck. I really don't anyone is going to stop calling it the East Island.
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East of -what-?
East of the Colonies.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/File:Bm_map_old.jpg
You had the East Island, the South Island, and the Colonies.
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When Australia was discovered by Europeans, Latin wasn't really of "far greater importance"
"The earliest recorded use of the word Australia in English was in 1625 in "A note of Australia del Espíritu Santo, written by Master Hakluyt", published by Samuel Purchas in Hakluytus Posthumus, a corruption of the original Spanish name Austrialia del Espíritu Santo for an island in Vanuatu."
1625? Latin was mostly a dead language even then except in cases of the Catholic clergy and the more scholarly folk. It wasn't even used to refer to the continent we now know as Australia specifically until the late 1700s.
Either way, find me a place in Europe that has such a silly sounding name that wasn't named within the last 200 years. Remember, the EC is essentially the birthplace of the game, yet it has one of the lamest names. It's the East Continent/Island? East of -what-?
Countries like France just mean "Land of the Franks" or Russia "Land of the Rus" Not that different to my mind. For example the Persians and Muslims named most of western Europe Frangistan (again means "Land of the Franks") since during the crusades they apparently adopted the habit of referring to all Christains from the area as Franks, regards less of their actual ethnic origin.
When Australia was discovered by Europeans, Latin wasn't really of "far greater importance"
1625? Latin was mostly a dead language even then except in cases of the Catholic clergy and the more scholarly folk. It wasn't even used to refer to the continent we now know as Australia specifically until the late 1700s.
And who the hell do you think generally ended up naming places? For a name to stick is had to be in common usage within texts, you know the texts that Clergy and Scholars wrote. Why do you think Latin names where used, because they were familiar to the people making the names, the explorers the chroniclers.
But largely you are missing the point. Culture should be IG and player driven. Just as people have had great success in game with naming geographical area's on Dwilight, it should be possible to encourage IG usage of a new title for the EC. Get enough people doing it and perhaps Tom would consider renaming it in the game elements that refer to it.
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De-Legro, please re-read my initial post on the matter.
Sorry for the double post, but on the subject of culture...
The name of the continent. "East Continent" doesn't sound all that in character, especially for the oldest continent in the game. I know at one time I mentioned calling it Easterra, though it seems too much like Easter.
What about the rest of you? Ever try putting a name to the land we call home?
I was asking if there were other In Character attempts to name it. Instead I got "It was East Island".
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De-Legro, please re-read my initial post on the matter.
I was asking if there were other In Character attempts to name it. Instead I got "It was East Island".
Mostly no, because the level of confusion with naming a continent something different from what the game already names it.
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East of the Colonies.
http://wiki.battlemaster.org/wiki/File:Bm_map_old.jpg
You had the East Island, the South Island, and the Colonies.
I still think a map should be produced showing all the continents relative to one another. It would be really cool. I know that has for some reason been given the thumbs down in the past, though. Not sure why.
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I still think a map should be produced showing all the continents relative to one another. It would be really cool. I know that has for some reason been given the thumbs down in the past, though. Not sure why.
There is one (sort of) that should be around somewhere else as well in its original form?
http://www.cafepress.co.uk/cp/moredetails.aspx?showBleed=false&ProductNo=42327224&pr=F&subFront=&subBack=