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BattleMaster => Helpline => Topic started by: Indirik on October 13, 2011, 03:37:02 PM
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The method by which the game picks what knights are available to be appointed as lords is a bit weird. It doesn't seem to make any sense at all. Turin, Duke of Gaston Duchy on Dwilight is trying to appoint a lord for Asurbanipal, which was just recently TO'd and added to his duchy. The only choices he gets to appoint as lord are two nobles that don't appear to be in his duchy. Turin's comment from an IG message:
I'm really curious how the system picked these two people (Rey and Terivus) for possible region lords. They're not part of the duchy, they're not in the army and they weren't there for the takeover. It's like it was designed to be the absolute reverse of the old system where the only people who can claim the region are those that have absolutely nothing to do with it.
The following nobles are in the Gaston duchy, and are not region lords:
Reyne, Mordaunt, Varchilde, Tratumal, Syaoran, Alaron, Lazarus
Rey and Terivus don't even show up on the realm hierarchy chart (hierarchy.php). Rey is aligned to Forguthrie, which is part of the Gaston duchy, but does not have an estate. But Terivus is "imperial".
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The new system doesn't seem to update rank and allegiance in a number of places.
For example, if I write to "all of my knights", one of the nobles having an estate in my region isn't contacted, and he doesn't have the rank of knight either.
Possibly related, or not, is with the armies, since assignments works per the new system in funny ways. We had a marshal of an army that was also still SiC of the other.
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The system isn't actually all that difficult. I think the part that confuses people is that candidates may not already be knights in some other region. Since being announced a lord would mean they can no longer be a knight of their old region, they may not even want to.
I'll add the precise conditions on the in-game page. They shouldn't be secret. Look for it in the next update.
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Actually, I can't find a good place to put it. Maybe someone can add it to the in-game help page or something? the conditions are:
- must be a noble of the realm and not paused, dead or in prison
- is not already a region lord, duke or government member
- does not already have an estate in a different region (estate in the same region is fine)
- Prestige 3+
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Wait... government members can't become region lords? Or can they only be lords if they are also dukes, and appoint themselves as lord of one of their own regions?
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they can appoint themselves, but nobody else can appoint them.
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So, they have to be dukes, then, to hold a lordship?
If a knight or non-duke lord is selected/elected as a government member, will they lose their estate/lordship?
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Wow. That sounds .. wrong.
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Government member might refer to the "Ruler"? Since we already know the Ruler can't be a Lord.
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Since we already know the Ruler can't be a Lord.
This is incorrect. The ruler can be a lord if he is also a duke. He can then appoint himself as a lord of a region in his duchy.
The ruler just can't be a lord of a region in which he is not also the duke.
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Government member might refer to the "Ruler"?
In that case I'm fine with it :)
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This is incorrect. The ruler can be a lord if he is also a duke. He can then appoint himself as a lord of a region in his duchy.
The ruler just can't be a lord of a region in which he is not also the duke.
Except that he can't create new duchies for himself, and therefore must wait for a duke to abdicate to take his spot. A rare occurrence, and usually unforgivable in most realms.
Also, peasants just kicked out a lord because of a big horde that had bothered them for a few days. I can't appoint him back.
We also got a noble of Melhed who just joined a few days ago, but has apprently been in the realm for 60 days or so according to the character list.
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i reckon a ruler should be able to create a duchy from lordless towns/cities/stronghold...
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i reckon a ruler should be able to create a duchy from lordless towns/cities/stronghold...
As do I.
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i reckon a ruler should be able to create a duchy from lordless towns/cities/stronghold...
Why?
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Why?
So that he may then appoint himself to the duchy.
Otherwise, the ruler has theoretically no chance of becoming a lord unless a duke steps down. A rather rare event.
Though I wonder how this applies to realm with elections.
Also makes me wonder about dukes who lose their region due to capture: are they still dukes?
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So that he may then appoint himself to the duchy.
Otherwise, the ruler has theoretically no chance of becoming a lord unless a duke steps down. A rather rare event.
Though I wonder how this applies to realm with elections.
Also makes me wonder about dukes who lose their region due to capture: are they still dukes?
I'd rather limit the ruler's power. Better to encourage him to empower himself by giving others (allies) power positions than by hoarding them.
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I'd rather limit the ruler's power. Better to encourage him to empower himself by giving others (allies) power positions than by hoarding them.
Most realms already do that. In the realms that don't have such rules, it would be highly frowned upon for a ruler to do so. Rare are the places you can pull it off, imo.
At least for the traditional dukes. If the ruler creates a duchy out of a poor townslands and makes himself duke of a one-region duchy, is it really that bad? I wouldn't think so, but I think that's something we can let the characters of the realm decide.
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Wait... government members can't become region lords?
This is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. I can't be both General and a lord?
So not only are Generals stuck with the thankless task of ordering around their feckless countrymen and taking the blame when they screw up -- I'm not saying this is the case in my realm, just hypothetically speaking -- but Generals are also unable to at least finance themselves with a region lordship, and have to continually go begging for money?
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This is a bit ridiculous, in my opinion. I can't be both General and a lord?
So not only are Generals stuck with the thankless task of ordering around their feckless countrymen and taking the blame when they screw up -- I'm not saying this is the case in my realm, just hypothetically speaking -- but Generals are also unable to at least finance themselves with a region lordship, and have to continually go begging for money?
The end results of this is that people will step down from their position only to be reappointed after they get their lordships. This is against the spirit of the game, but faced with these kind of rules, it will happen.
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The end results of this is that people will step down from their position only to be reappointed after they get their lordships. This is against the spirit of the game, but faced with these kind of rules, it will happen.
Lords cannot be appointed. I am not sure what is the spirit of this change, but I fail to see good reasons to maintain it, unless it comes with something else we have yet to see.
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Lords cannot be appointed. I am not sure what is the spirit of this change, but I fail to see good reasons to maintain it, unless it comes with something else we have yet to see.
Apparently the "it's an unfinished system" part got forgotten.
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Apparently the "it's an unfinished system" part got forgotten.
Ah, sorry, thought it was intended.
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Notably, Terran just conquered Vassar... and it still isn't appearing on our Realm and Regions page, or Realm Hierarchy. Nor did it appear in the Realm Tax Report, despite having a lord.
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after the cleanup run today (which should be over by the time I post this) - is this still buggy?
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after the cleanup run today (which should be over by the time I post this) - is this still buggy?
Still buggy.
Lavendrow and Vassar still aren't showing up on Terran's realm and regions.
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Qubel Lighthouse has just been conquered by D'Hara. It seems to show up properly now (realm and regions, realm hierarchy), though a new Duchy was automatically created by her capture (I didn't do it via the Govern the Duchies page)
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When Astrum took Golden Farrow, the duchy was automatically created as well. I'm pretty sure that's a bug.
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That's absolutely a bug. No new duchies should be created.