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BattleMaster => Helpline => Topic started by: Meneldur on November 19, 2011, 07:07:23 PM
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This is probably a really stupid question, but I've just had my first lordship in years and I've forgotten some rather basic things.
Basically, according to my warehouse my regions food details are the following:
Prod Cons. Surplus
423 99 324
Now at the moment I have 166 bushels stored in my warehouse, yet apparently my peasants are going hungry, which I guess means I don't have enough food, but I assumed that "Cons. 99" meant my region consumed 99 food for which 166 would be sufficient.
So where can I find out what my region actually consumes or is the 99 value per week or something? Because I don't want to ask for food until I know exactly how much of a deficit I apparently have.
Also on a sort of related note I appear to have a knight on one of my estates that doesn't actually exist... (can't message him or find him on the char list, yet he is still listed as being my knight and as holding an estate in my region). Is this merely a bugged part of the new estates system?
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When did the food arrive in your region? Sometimes it seems to take a day or two for the "hungry" status to disappear once you get food in a region.
The knight sounds like a bug.
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Also, the consumption is on a per week basis. Normally, you should not have hungry status as long as you have more than 1 bushel in stock.
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Also on a sort of related note I appear to have a knight on one of my estates that doesn't actually exist... (can't message him or find him on the char list, yet he is still listed as being my knight and as holding an estate in my region). Is this merely a bugged part of the new estates system?
Kick him out of his estate.
I once had to pay a tax share to a knight that had emigrated the day before. :P As the estate system gets finished, this kind of thing will work itself out.
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So where can I find out what my region actually consumes or is the 99 value per week or something? Because I don't want to ask for food until I know exactly how much of a deficit I apparently have.
The 99 value is per week, as mentioned. However, it takes into account only the peasant population - any troops in the region will eat extra (although it is normally a smallish amount that shouldn't have that much effect). My theory on this is that each soldier counts as one extra peasant, and eats the same amount as a peasant would.
If you want to get a good idea of how much is actually getting eaten, check your warehouse every day and see how much was taken out for that day. I believe the food is taken out at the morning turn for that day (logically).
This is just adding on to what has already been said, not contra to it :)
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My theory on this is that each soldier counts as one extra peasant, and eats the same amount as a peasant would.
Nope, Tom said it was more than a peasant. How much we haven't still figured.
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Thanks for all the information :)
It seems the hunger thing was something along the lines of what Bedwyr suggested, as its gone now despite the fact I didn't get any extra food and harvest time still some days away.
As for the knight, I've kicked him out and am in the process of getting a new one.
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Nope, Tom said it was more than a peasant. How much we haven't still figured.
I presume that the consumption is rounded up? Ie, 2.3 bushels would be 3?
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Isn't it per harvest, and not per week? Harvests are still 9 days, right?
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Harvests were never 9 days. Not even with seasons.
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Harvests are every week, modified according to the seasons. Before, the harvested amount was fixed, and the amount of harvests each week was linked to the seasons. But even in winter, that was once a week (I think)
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Harvests are every week, modified according to the seasons. Before, the harvested amount was fixed, and the amount of harvests each week was linked to the seasons. But even in winter, that was once a week (I think)
That's not how it used to work, but how it used to work isn't important. The way it works now is that harvest is every 7 days, regardless of season. The amount harvested varies based on season, weather, and regional production value.
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That's not how it used to work, but how it used to work isn't important. The way it works now is that harvest is every 7 days, regardless of season. The amount harvested varies based on season, weather, and regional production value.
Why is the "food" value on the region description based on 5 days production?
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Probably because when food was first invented, it was intended to be harvested every 5 days. I have no idea what it would take to change that value. I asked Anaris about it once, but I really don't remember what the answer was. :-\
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Probably because when food was first invented, it was intended to be harvested every 5 days. I have no idea what it would take to change that value. I asked Anaris about it once, but I really don't remember what the answer was. :-\
- Recalculate the food values of every region to work for a 7-day harvest instead of 5
- Update the DB with these new values for every single region at once
- Change all the places where the code deals with food so that they recognize this change
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- Recalculate the food values of every region to work for a 7-day harvest instead of 5
- Update the DB with these new values for every single region at once
- Change all the places where the code deals with food so that they recognize this change
Can't you multiply the displayed value by 7/5th without changing the underlying value?
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...harvest period depends on which island you are on.... bt is 9 days
and as i stated before numerous time, lords should really get an expanded food display, like what the banker gets, except showing only their region. (banker's shows daily consumption, how much food is needed until next harvest, estimates, etc)
having to calculate anything (aside from long term stuff) is a bit of a waste of time.
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...harvest period depends on which island you are on.... bt is 9 days
False.
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False.
I was sure harvest was 9 days. WHERE THE HELL DID I TAKE THIS NUMBER!?
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I was sure harvest was 9 days. WHERE THE HELL DID I TAKE THIS NUMBER!?
Dunno. Harvests have *never* been 9 days. Even when we had variable harvest lengths, it was 5, 7, 10, and 15. But all harvests are now 7 days, on all islands.
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Can't you multiply the displayed value by 7/5th without changing the underlying value?
I suppose you could. But the Statistics page would still be wrong. And anywhere else that displays Food production values, like the RealmDetails page. Really, if the effort is going to be put in place to fix this, it really needs to be done right.
- Recalculate the food values of every region to work for a 7-day harvest instead of 5
- Update the DB with these new values for every single region at once
That's what, like, one or two lines of SQL-fu and it's done? OK, maybe it needs to be run separately on each island, but those two steps seem like the easiest part of the process.
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Harvest Report (31 days, 3 hours ago)
Harvest Report (22 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (13 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (4 days, 2 hours ago)
hello? has been that way for maybe a year, if not more
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Beluaterra:
Harvest Report (22 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (13 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (4 days, 2 hours ago)
FEI:
Harvest Report (29 days, 3 hours ago)
Harvest Report (22 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (15 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (8 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (1 day, 2 hours ago)
Dwilight:
Harvest Report (29 days, 3 hours ago)
Harvest Report (22 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (15 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (8 days, 2 hours ago)
Harvest Report (1 day, 2 hours ago)
So apparently it's a Beluaterra-only issue, not a testing/stable issue.
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that's why i said.. depends on island.
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That sounds like a mistake...
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So BT IS 9 days. I've checked to confirm with my own character as well
Why the hell were people calling me crazy?
People really shouldn't go around saying people are wrong without actually looking it up...
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So BT IS 9 days. I've checked to confirm with my own character as well
Why the hell were people calling me crazy?
People really shouldn't go around saying people are wrong without actually looking it up...
Interesting, harvest should not be 9 days on any island so far as I know. Sa basically it looks like BT has been bugged for quite some time and people have just put up with it? They were calling you crazy cause they knew the way it SHOULD work and might not have a character on BT to know that the continent appears to be bugged.
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Interesting, harvest should not be 9 days on any island so far as I know. Sa basically it looks like BT has been bugged for quite some time and people have just put up with it? They were calling you crazy cause they knew the way it SHOULD work and might not have a character on BT to know that the continent appears to be bugged.
AFAIK, it's been that way for over 5 years at least. A lot of devs play on BT, and none of them noticed? Any normal player would be inclined to think it's like that by design.
I never realized it was different on other continents, though. Dwi had seasons since so long, and I never played a meaningful role anywhere else.
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AFAIK, it's been that way for over 5 years at least. A lot of devs play on BT, and none of them noticed? Any normal player would be inclined to think it's like that by design.
I never realized it was different on other continents, though. Dwi had seasons since so long, and I never played a meaningful role anywhere else.
Five years ago we had variable harvest, unless that system was never present on BT, which might explain why it didn't got to 7 days when the variable harvest system was scrapped. So it might have been an oversight.
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Five years ago we had variable harvest, unless that system was never present on BT, which might explain why it didn't got to 7 days when the variable harvest system was scrapped. So it might have been an oversight.
I only remember variable harvest having effect on Dwilight. Thought it was supposed to, I believe, I don't remember ever having seasons on BT. FEI might have had it, though.
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Correct--only FEI and DWI should have variable harvests. The rest should have 7-day harvests--I'm sure the devs will speak with Tom soon and get that fixed.
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Correct--only FEI and DWI should have variable harvests. The rest should have 7-day harvests--I'm sure the devs will speak with Tom soon and get that fixed.
Should have had. I'm not sure if seasons actually had any effect on FEI, but I know that harvests are now fixed, at least on Dwi. Production varies, but not harvest length. At least, that's what was announced a while ago, and what I saw IG seems to confirm it.
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Should have had. I'm not sure if seasons actually had any effect on FEI, but I know that harvests are now fixed, at least on Dwi. Production varies, but not harvest length. At least, that's what was announced a while ago, and what I saw IG seems to confirm it.
Yeah FEI suffered from the old Variable harvest system, and now work on the fixed harvest variable output system. To be honest I haven't played on anywhere other then Dwilight and FEI for so long I've no idea if the same system was rolled out to the other islands, or if they keep their simple fixed harvest model.
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Yeah FEI suffered from the old Variable harvest system, and now work on the fixed harvest variable output system. To be honest I haven't played on anywhere other then Dwilight and FEI for so long I've no idea if the same system was rolled out to the other islands, or if they keep their simple fixed harvest model.
Others don't have seasons. 100% production every harvest.
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So BT IS 9 days. I've checked to confirm with my own character as well
Why the hell were people calling me crazy?
People really shouldn't go around saying people are wrong without actually looking it up...
Aw, what the crap. I swear I fixed that before.
It's fixed now.
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Aw, what the crap. I swear I fixed that before.
It's fixed now.
So it's 7 days now?
You should make a public announcement about that. I was dead convinced that it was 9 days everywhere because BT is my main continent: I'm sure others were in the same situation as I was.
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So it's 7 days now?
You should make a public announcement about that. I was dead convinced that it was 9 days everywhere because BT is my main continent: I'm sure others were in the same situation as I was.
Good idea.
Done.
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So does Beluaterra now get 28% more food than before, or is it just tallied up more often?
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tallied up more often
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Another question:
How do I send food to distant/non-neighboring regions? There's a send caravan option but no destination can be selected?
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Another question:
How do I send food to distant/non-neighboring regions? There's a send caravan option but no destination can be selected?
Hmm? What region are you lord of?
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Hmm? What region are you lord of?
Oh, right.
Warmanoras, Oritolon at the Colonies. The banker did some checking some time ago, seems the same for all Oritolon regions.