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BattleMaster => Locals => Beluaterra => Topic started by: Zakilevo on November 27, 2011, 07:54:25 PM
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There is this guy called 1st Son in Ynccalo. He is a priest of Daimon Worship. I am sensing something interesting will happen soon?
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Interesting shminteresting.
Only 6 months of war and stupid daimons show up again? Great...
EDIT: but I guess I should mention that every blighted region on the continent is now part of the netherworld and the daimon dominion duchy. And Overlord is mentioned amongst the rulers and he is lord of at least one region (I assume all since Bym isn't of such great importance afaik).
Still we rebuilt for like 6 months, had a war for 6 months... I sure hope the invasion isn't going to kick off yet. And if it won't... why on earth give Melhed such a powerful weapon for their peacemongering campaign? :/
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No worries. Nothing will happen until 2012. Tom said so himself. He wants the continent to stay the way it is til the next year. I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to bring daimons back on New Year's.
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"Nothing" is relative, since they already have a priest preaching.
I would believe that perhaps the major stuff won't happen until after new year's, but that doesn't mean that nothing at all with happen between now and then.
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Undead keep popping up a lot suddenly too. Hoping it's not related.
BT could stand a real breather. Another invasion seems premature. The last one dragged out way too long.
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Undead keep popping up a lot suddenly too. Hoping it's not related.
BT could stand a real breather. Another invasion seems premature. The last one dragged out way too long.
The last one was nothing compared to the one before as far as "dragging out" for too long.
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Undead keep popping up a lot suddenly too. Hoping it's not related.
BT could stand a real breather. Another invasion seems premature. The last one dragged out way too long.
The last one was long and painful because of the character mortality. I lost Callandor in Enweil during a large monster battle along with 3-4 other nobles, which made me decide not to rejoin BT for a short while. I'm actually looking forward to another invasion, seeing as with the new estates system we will be able to expand into the blight quickly, if there aren't a huge force of enemies of course. Also, all of the realms on BT are connected at some point to the blight.
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The last one was long and painful because of the character mortality. I lost Callandor in Enweil during a large monster battle along with 3-4 other nobles, which made me decide not to rejoin BT for a short while. I'm actually looking forward to another invasion, seeing as with the new estates system we will be able to expand into the blight quickly, if there aren't a huge force of enemies of course. Also, all of the realms on BT are connected at some point to the blight.
You're assuming that the blight will be accessible once the next invasion starts. Personally, I do not believe that this will be the case. We mostly lost the last invasion. The blight is the price we paid.
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The last one was long and painful because of the character mortality. I lost Callandor in Enweil during a large monster battle along with 3-4 other nobles, which made me decide not to rejoin BT for a short while. I'm actually looking forward to another invasion, seeing as with the new estates system we will be able to expand into the blight quickly, if there aren't a huge force of enemies of course. Also, all of the realms on BT are connected at some point to the blight.
Painful, definately. And it did kill interest to lose so many characters and peers.
But as far as "dragging on" goes, third invasion won that contest, imo. It REALLY did drag on for way too long, where the GMs/Devs were irritatingly saying "it's over guys!" while daimon attacks were still taking place.
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It's very painful to lose your Noble during the Invasion, but, ignoring the cons of mortality for a second, it did very well in bringing a lot of fear to Beluaterra. Suddenly the Invasion was even more real!
And yeah, we shouldn't be expecting to get the Blight back ever.
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Also of interest in the purely OOC sense:
Out-of-Character from Nightfall of the North (7 hours, 33 minutes ago)
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Bug, please ignore this character, he wasn't created here. These are not the droids you are looking for...
Tom Vogt
Got that message in Riombara. Clearly there are more than one of these 'emissaries'. I also notice that all blighted regions are now part of 'Netherworld, Duchy of Daimon Dominion', ruled by 'Overlord', regardless of which invader faction originally blighted them. Makes me wonder if the next invasion will still feature all three factions? I assume so, especially given the many hints Tom has dropped about how the Undead achieved something of significance during the last invasion.
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Priest Activity (1 hour, 36 minutes ago)
You are being informed that 3rd Son, a priest of Daimon Worship, has been seen preaching in Lastfell.
So they're in Thalmarkin too.. Catapults have already been suggested. Who wants a 3d son smudge in their region?
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Can they actually be arrested?
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I would think so since the netherworld is hatred with everyone (end of invader diplomacy?). If we can't that would be a serious bummer.
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I dunno, if I was Tom I'd consider making it impossible purely on the basis of the fact that pretty much everyone is guaranteed to try the second one of them is sighted somewhere. They could end up spending 90% of their time in someone's dungeon...
I'm more interested now in this 'Nightfall of the North'. Different family judging by the name, which makes me wonder if perhaps the other invader factions will get their own emissaries/prophets. To my knowledge, the monsters and undead didn't attempt to create religions, so they won't be priests I imagine. Interesting...
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I dunno, if I was Tom I'd consider making it impossible purely on the basis of the fact that pretty much everyone is guaranteed to try the second one of them is sighted somewhere. They could end up spending 90% of their time in someone's dungeon...
I'm more interested now in this 'Nightfall of the North'. Different family judging by the name, which makes me wonder if perhaps the other invader factions will get their own emissaries/prophets. To my knowledge, the monsters and undead didn't attempt to create religions, so they won't be priests I imagine. Interesting...
If they can't be arrested, that'll be pretty lame. Preaching wars are boring as hell, imo.
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We will see next turn if we could have some fun with them ;D
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We will see next turn if we could have some fun with them ;D
Any idea on their conversion rates? God-like or newbie-like?
Imo, balancing NPC priests is next to impossible. They are far more likely to be either way too powerless or way too powerful. If they can't be arrested and they have too good an oratory skill, then no IG religion will be able to compete with them and they'll just takeover everything. On the other hand, if they can be arrested or if they don't convert fast enough, they won't really represent any kind of significant threat.
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Well, one thing seems certain. Even if these characters do nothing, Beluaterra is going to shut itself down.
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Any idea on their conversion rates? God-like or newbie-like?
Imo, balancing NPC priests is next to impossible. They are far more likely to be either way too powerless or way too powerful. If they can't be arrested and they have too good an oratory skill, then no IG religion will be able to compete with them and they'll just takeover everything. On the other hand, if they can be arrested or if they don't convert fast enough, they won't really represent any kind of significant threat.
Without temples and lords? I don't think they will be that effective at the preaching game. Also, I doubt their purpose is to screw with us directly at present, so I would be surprised to see daimon worship inspired revolts anytime soon.
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Unless, of course, a way to fight the blight is discovered and we free BT!
Obviously, that's extremely doubtful, though. Not enough nobles to populate an unblighted BT, and blighted BT is too small and lacks the potential it had in the past where tons of colonies could be created almost any day.
My wish is that it dies gloriously.
Without temples and lords? I don't think they will be that effective at the preaching game. Also, I doubt their purpose is to screw with us directly at present, so I would be surprised to see daimon worship inspired revolts anytime soon.
Lord bonus is what, +0.000000000000001% per day? It's really bad. As for temples, you don't actually get a penalty for not having a temple. You just get penalties if you have a temple and it's not big enough.
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How about all blight regions got a region lord with the daimon faith. They don't need to convert fast, they just slowly take over all the blighted regions and "bleed" their followers into the border regions. Even with their still weak preaching skill (equal to roughly a decend priest) they can just wait and hope for the best.
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Any idea on their conversion rates? God-like or newbie-like?
Imo, balancing NPC priests is next to impossible. They are far more likely to be either way too powerless or way too powerful. If they can't be arrested and they have too good an oratory skill, then no IG religion will be able to compete with them and they'll just takeover everything. On the other hand, if they can be arrested or if they don't convert fast enough, they won't really represent any kind of significant threat.
In addition I think we can trust Tom far enough to expect that basic balancing such as would be necessary for this is being thought of, can we? If I would be working hard to make the game enjoyable for the rest of us I think I'd prefer comments along the 'I am curious / excited about / can't wait to see how this will affect...' line instead of glum 'this can't work....' statements. Balancing something complex will likely not be /perfect/ right away but surely it would be far better than outright stupid. Give the man a chance, he is still working on a game for free after /how/ many years? Managing to keep it interesting for hundreds of players for /how/ many years? Lets try to keep him /somewhat/ motivated....pretty please?
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Well, one thing seems certain. Even if these characters do nothing, Beluaterra is going to shut itself down.
Maybe, we'll see. One of my characters will certainly be exploiting this situation to that effect. The other will probably be arguing hard against any kind of cease fire. It should be interesting to see how it pans out.
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Daimon priest? I bet you they are all from Enwiel.
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How about all blight regions got a region lord with the daimon faith. They don't need to convert fast, they just slowly take over all the blighted regions and "bleed" their followers into the border regions. Even with their still weak preaching skill (equal to roughly a decend priest) they can just wait and hope for the best.
Unless they are given 100% follower count to begin with, no. If you have a region with 0 followers, you can build a lvl 3 temple and have the lord follow your faith and the region will never get followers. Priests are needed to kick start the process. If they are given 100% following, then perhaps, but I think population in these regions is too low for that. Unless netherworld regions suck up PC realm migrants perhaps.
In addition I think we can trust Tom far enough to expect that basic balancing such as would be necessary for this is being thought of, can we? If I would be working hard to make the game enjoyable for the rest of us I think I'd prefer comments along the 'I am curious / excited about / can't wait to see how this will affect...' line instead of glum 'this can't work....' statements. Balancing something complex will likely not be /perfect/ right away but surely it would be far better than outright stupid. Give the man a chance, he is still working on a game for free after /how/ many years? Managing to keep it interesting for hundreds of players for /how/ many years? Lets try to keep him /somewhat/ motivated....pretty please?
It's not that I distrust Tom. What I'm saying is that Daimon Worship popped up in the last two invasions, and failed miserably in both of them because it had no special powers and relied on players to actually develop and lead it. If given a fair battle ground with common player religions, it will fail again, as it will be way too vulnerable.
Considering that this time the religion comes first, and not much later as it did the last two times, I figure that the plan isn't to let it fail miserably while being unable to ever gather significant size.
However, any advantage that allows it to grow rapidly enough to compete with existing faiths will surely also allow it to utterly dominate the other faiths. Which will either discourage other religions from even bothering, or will incite more people to become priests in order to counter it. However, I really don't think forcing people to become priests would be a good idea, if that's what they wanted they'd be priests already. However, if we are to rely on priests for a significant portion of the coming invasion's struggles, then we must consider that we will be relying on a very tiny percentage of the player base. All those who can't or don't want to become priests, whatever the reason, would find themselves excluded.
I don't mean to say that anyone is stupid and that those in charge can't think of anything, I just want to warn that putting too much of a focus on religion for the invasion could be very risky as far as gameplay/enjoyability goes, as without any special advantages it'd be hard to prevent the NPC faith from being wiped off while on the other hand it wouldn't really need that many advantages to utterly dominate the other existing religions.
My intent wasn't to criticize in advance, but rather to provide things to consider to favor the development of the best invasion possible, as many aspects of the invasions are basically impossible to change once things are in motion. For a lot of various people complained about various things during the past invasions. Obviously, no invasion can please everyone, but a number of almost unanimous complaints were over things that could have been avoided easily.
Personally, I think this will be the end of BT. I just hope to go down in a blaze of memorable glory.
Maybe, we'll see. One of my characters will certainly be exploiting this situation to that effect. The other will probably be arguing hard against any kind of cease fire. It should be interesting to see how it pans out.
The gods challenge us with another invasion when the Enweili are doing poorly in their wars? Truly, this is a sign that the gods favor the Enweili! We have failed them, but they have forgiven us!
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We have the 3rd Son preaching in Bil Havil as well so its not just one priest moving around...
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We have the 3rd Son preaching in Bil Havil as well so its not just one priest moving around...
I'm assuming there must probably also be a second, and I'm betting he's in Sint.
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Unless they are given 100% follower count to begin with, no. If you have a region with 0 followers, you can build a lvl 3 temple and have the lord follow your faith and the region will never get followers. Priests are needed to kick start the process. If they are given 100% following, then perhaps, but I think population in these regions is too low for that. Unless netherworld regions suck up PC realm migrants perhaps.
It's not that I distrust Tom. What I'm saying is that Daimon Worship popped up in the last two invasions, and failed miserably in both of them because it had no special powers and relied on players to actually develop and lead it. If given a fair battle ground with common player religions, it will fail again, as it will be way too vulnerable.
Considering that this time the religion comes first, and not much later as it did the last two times, I figure that the plan isn't to let it fail miserably while being unable to ever gather significant size.
However, any advantage that allows it to grow rapidly enough to compete with existing faiths will surely also allow it to utterly dominate the other faiths. Which will either discourage other religions from even bothering, or will incite more people to become priests in order to counter it. However, I really don't think forcing people to become priests would be a good idea, if that's what they wanted they'd be priests already. However, if we are to rely on priests for a significant portion of the coming invasion's struggles, then we must consider that we will be relying on a very tiny percentage of the player base. All those who can't or don't want to become priests, whatever the reason, would find themselves excluded.
I don't mean to say that anyone is stupid and that those in charge can't think of anything, I just want to warn that putting too much of a focus on religion for the invasion could be very risky as far as gameplay/enjoyability goes, as without any special advantages it'd be hard to prevent the NPC faith from being wiped off while on the other hand it wouldn't really need that many advantages to utterly dominate the other existing religions.
My intent wasn't to criticize in advance, but rather to provide things to consider to favor the development of the best invasion possible, as many aspects of the invasions are basically impossible to change once things are in motion. For a lot of various people complained about various things during the past invasions. Obviously, no invasion can please everyone, but a number of almost unanimous complaints were over things that could have been avoided easily.
Personally, I think this will be the end of BT. I just hope to go down in a blaze of memorable glory.
So your point is that there is /no way/ that the religion can bring out something good? It will either fail miserably or it will completely dominate everything? Don't you think you are being a little extremist and pessimistic?
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So your point is that there is /no way/ that the religion can bring out something good? It will either fail miserably or it will completely dominate everything? Don't you think you are being a little extremist and pessimistic?
Well, sure, if you make the invasion a 100% focus on Daimon Worship, then I think there isn't a way for it to be really fun for most people, to be frank. But though it seems as religion might be put forward in a more important manner this time, I really don't think the plans were to make the invasion 100% about religion, with no invader except for priest invaders.
I'm not saying Daimon Worship doesn't have any potential for fun, either. I'm just saying there are drawbacks and risks associated with it, which are greater the more importance you give to it. These are mostly due to the fact that the only people with a real influence on follower count are priests, which are very few in number and which is a class that has absolutely no appeal to a vast quantity of players (if you consider how many people have never or rarely played a priest).
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Well, sure, if you make the invasion a 100% focus on Daimon Worship, then I think there isn't a way for it to be really fun for most people, to be frank. But though it seems as religion might be put forward in a more important manner this time, I really don't think the plans were to make the invasion 100% about religion, with no invader except for priest invaders.
I'm not saying Daimon Worship doesn't have any potential for fun, either. I'm just saying there are drawbacks and risks associated with it, which are greater the more importance you give to it. These are mostly due to the fact that the only people with a real influence on follower count are priests, which are very few in number and which is a class that has absolutely no appeal to a vast quantity of players (if you consider how many people have never or rarely played a priest).
Not that I think Religion is going to 100% be the focus, but if that was going to be the case, I would suspect that the war would not be over followers in the normal sense. I could see Daimon priest getting special abilities like raising cultist army's etc, and perhaps something along the line of the Light Temples to provide realms a way of countering the religious spread without relying solely on priest. If you think outside of the current priest game, things could be added to either side to provide and interesting religious war.
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Not that I think Religion is going to 100% be the focus, but if that was going to be the case, I would suspect that the war would not be over followers in the normal sense. I could see Daimon priest getting special abilities like raising cultist army's etc, and perhaps something along the line of the Light Temples to provide realms a way of countering the religious spread without relying solely on priest. If you think outside of the current priest game, things could be added to either side to provide and interesting religious war.
Indeed, it could, but it would feel truly bizarre for the humans to have special items/powers to counter daimonic religious spread. Despite the daimons and other invasion, BM remains a rather low-magic setting, where most things magic are rather limited. The Light, for example, only had 3 scattered temples. If every realm was to have one, it would have given quite a different tone to the universe. Of course, part of the struggle could be that the items required aren't in large enough numbers for every realm to have one.
My imagination isn't god-like, there can obviously be things I'm not thinking of. Story-wise, having the daimons turn the peasants into fanatical cultist armies would be interesting. Gameplay-wise, mechanics to counter this would either have to rely on too few people (priests) or too much magic (enough items/powers for most realm to somewhat limit daimonic mind control).
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Indeed, it could, but it would feel truly bizarre for the humans to have special items/powers to counter daimonic religious spread. Despite the daimons and other invasion, BM remains a rather low-magic setting, where most things magic are rather limited. The Light, for example, only had 3 scattered temples. If every realm was to have one, it would have given quite a different tone to the universe. Of course, part of the struggle could be that the items required aren't in large enough numbers for every realm to have one.
My imagination isn't god-like, there can obviously be things I'm not thinking of. Story-wise, having the daimons turn the peasants into fanatical cultist armies would be interesting. Gameplay-wise, mechanics to counter this would either have to rely on too few people (priests) or too much magic (enough items/powers for most realm to somewhat limit daimonic mind control).
Why would it need to be magic? At the simplest Tom could create a new shrine type building that every noble meeting some requirement could build, which would limit daimon cultist spread. Or he could allow nobles to go all inquisition in a region and burn out daimon followers. Once you break the current systems limitations the options are endless.
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Why would it need to be magic? At the simplest Tom could create a new shrine type building that every noble meeting some requirement could build, which would limit daimon cultist spread. Or he could allow nobles to go all inquisition in a region and burn out daimon followers. Once you break the current systems limitations the options are endless.
Tools which would have been logical to add even before a daimon invasion. I, for one, have long argued that the religion game would be better off if we involved non-priests in it a lot more. ;)
Persecuting the cultists still hurts your realm, though.
I know I'm sounding awfully negative. That wasn't really my goal. I'm actually quite hopeful. With the declining player base, I kind of lost all hope for BT's future, so I'm wishing it gets a burial worthy of all the excitement it provided over the years.
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Daimon worship is already becoming a mentioned faith in some of the blighted regions, it's only a matter of time before they start spilling over in great number.
Also the 3d son seems to have fled to Melhed indeed... By the time they decide to try and arrest him he'll probably have converted half their realm.
And as for Chenier's defeatism, I at least still hope BT can survive. :)
It is the most interesting continent by far. So... let's kick some daimon ass!
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One of Fronen's regions just converted to the Netherworld in a peasant revolt.
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I don't think convert is the right word. Probably more "couldn't stand Fronen anymore, so switched sides to the realm that is suddenly next door."
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Yes, that's about right. Still concerning.
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Daimon worship is already becoming a mentioned faith in some of the blighted regions, it's only a matter of time before they start spilling over in great number.
Also the 3d son seems to have fled to Melhed indeed... By the time they decide to try and arrest him he'll probably have converted half their realm.
And as for Chenier's defeatism, I at least still hope BT can survive. :)
It is the most interesting continent by far. So... let's kick some daimon ass!
Most of these regions have little population, meaning they don't need many worshippers for the faith to show, but not allowing for spillovers. However, I wouldn't be surprised if netherworld regions manually were given followers or if that was added automatically. Would make sense for the peasants they rule to convert automatically.
Yes, that's about right. Still concerning.
Very, as it means sympathy was high enough. I don't think it's possible to affect that sympathy as diplomats, though.
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However, I wouldn't be surprised if netherworld regions manually were given followers or if that was added automatically. Would make sense for the peasants they rule to convert automatically.
For the record, that was /not/ done for the Fourth Invasion.
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For the record, that was /not/ done for the Fourth Invasion.
Nop, didn't say it was. Nor for the third, the two invasions where Daimon Worship propped up, unless I remember incorrectly.
Might be for the Fifth, though.
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Well, he's in Sandlakes now. How many hours do we need to arrest priests? With just 1 hour in my time pool, I don't see the option anywhere. Arrest advies is greyed out because of lack of hours, though.
Also, Overlord has just come to Pequad and started looting. Any idea if Overlord is their boss, or if it's a generic title for all daimon leaders this time?
I suspect that if you scout into the blight, you'll start seeing scary stuff, now.
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Also, Overlord has just come to Pequad and started looting. Any idea if Overlord is their boss, or if it's a generic title for all daimon leaders this time?
I sure hope it's only one guy since he's lord of every single blighted region. If those are all different daimon lords, we're in for a treat...
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Well, one thing seems certain. Even if these characters do nothing, Beluaterra is going to shut itself down.
Hell no.
If my character has anything to say about it, this invasion will be a free-for-all, and Beluaterra will truly earn its name. No peace is acceptable: only the absolute and permanent extinction of the Enweilian people.
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Hell no.
If my character has anything to say about it, this invasion will be a free-for-all, and Beluaterra will truly earn its name. No peace is acceptable: only the absolute and permanent extinction of the Enweilian people.
And with it all of BT, for the Enweili are the chosen ones, the favoured of the gods.
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And with it all of BT, for the Enweili are the chosen ones, the favoured of the gods.
Apparently so, they sure saved your asses.
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Apparently so, they sure saved your asses.
Of course. We failed them, but they have forgiven us.
Or, they have decided to punish us themselves. Time will tell. ;)
I sure hope it's only one guy since he's lord of every single blighted region. If those are all different daimon lords, we're in for a treat...
Indeed.
Though seeing the big bad guy spawn in our lands and immediately start looting isn't encouraging.
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Though seeing the big bad guy spawn in our lands and immediately start looting isn't encouraging.
Well, not for you, anyway. ;)
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Well, not for you, anyway. ;)
Maybe we'll just have to pull an Alluran. Maybe this is a blessing, after all! ;)
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Maybe we'll just have to pull an Alluran.
You mean die utterly and completely within the first two weeks?
That would be a blessing! ;D
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oh, Enweil Jr is wounded, no go and return to your mother for protection. She will put a bandage on the wound and a kiss to make the pain go away. After that you can go back and play with the big boys again. Don't forget to ask Mama Enweil to tell the boys not to play rough with you.
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You mean die utterly and completely within the first two weeks?
That would be a blessing! ;D
Then found a new realm in the corpse of your enemies as you lead vast armies that no humans can aspire to defeat?
Seems like a fair tradeoff.
After all, Riombara and Sint are greater threats to mankind than the daimons are. ;)
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After all, Riombara and Sint are greater threats to mankind than the daimons are. ;)
Oh boy, I will miss Chenier's propaganda once BT is gone
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Oh boy, I will miss Chenier's propaganda once BT is gone
Me too. :'(
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Well, he's in Sandlakes now. How many hours do we need to arrest priests? With just 1 hour in my time pool, I don't see the option anywhere. Arrest advies is greyed out because of lack of hours, though.
Also, Overlord has just come to Pequad and started looting. Any idea if Overlord is their boss, or if it's a generic title for all daimon leaders this time?
I suspect that if you scout into the blight, you'll start seeing scary stuff, now.
Oh really? Well that changes the game considerably...
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The First and the Second have been arrested, apparently.
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Off with their heads!
Can you execute them? In the past we've been able to execute GM characters without banning them first. Granted, they escape from the gallows more often than not, but still...
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Off with their heads!
Can you execute them? In the past we've been able to execute GM characters without banning them first. Granted, they escape from the gallows more often than not, but still...
I'm not the judge, so I don't know.
But with their Overlord attacking us and moving towards Iato, I think we can wait a few days before testing anything of the sort...
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I'm not the judge, so I don't know.
But with their Overlord attacking us and moving towards Iato, I think we can wait a few days before testing anything of the sort...
Beg for peace and perhaps Rio will come and help. our armies are in Enweil anyway. :P
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I already called for continental peace.
And trust me, if I don't get it, I *will* pull a DoA and do all in my power to lead daimon units to bash everyone else myself.
The Enweili are the favored ones. If we aren't meant to bring civilization to Beluaterra, then we are meant to eradicate all mockeries of it. 8)
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I already called for continental peace.
Booo!
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Booo!
Nobody's obliged to accept. But baaaad things will happen to those who don't. :P
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I already called for continental peace.
And trust me, if I don't get it, I *will* pull a DoA and do all in my power to lead daimon units to bash everyone else myself.
The Enweili are the favored ones. If we aren't meant to bring civilization to Beluaterra, then we are meant to eradicate all mockeries of it. 8)
Am I reading this right? I thought ruskiland just went on a couple of crusades against those who allied with the invaders out of self interest (nice little clause to supposedly exclude enweil and yourself)?
Having principles is easy right until the moment you've actually got to live by them.
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Honestly, I question that the Netherworld is attacking anything. Sure, I know they have priests. I trust the people who've seen them. But Chenier, instead of Enweil, is telling everyone that Enweil was attacked?
Sorry folks, but if Chenier's a harbinger of doom, I'm more likely to think it's business as usual rather than the apocalypse.
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Looting Reported (18 hours, 5 minutes ago)
Netherworld forces are killing, raping and burning in Pequad!
Take that as you will, OOC of course. You're free not to believe Guillaume IC but it's an indisputable fact from the player's perspective.
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Honestly, I question that the Netherworld is attacking anything. Sure, I know they have priests. I trust the people who've seen them. But Chenier, instead of Enweil, is telling everyone that Enweil was attacked?
Sorry folks, but if Chenier's a harbinger of doom, I'm more likely to think it's business as usual rather than the apocalypse.
No, Fheuv'n was attacked, not Enweil.
And I'm not the type to lie OOC, thank you.
As for the priests, they even show on the character list: 2 of them were arrested and 1 of them was wounded, last I checked.
Am I reading this right? I thought ruskiland just went on a couple of crusades against those who allied with the invaders out of self interest (nice little clause to supposedly exclude enweil and yourself)?
Having principles is easy right until the moment you've actually got to live by them.
You mean, principles that we should do everything in our power to maintain mankind on BT? Inter-invasion, that would be via the extermination of Sint and Rio. But that's obviously not gonna happen any time soon. Any wars, at this point, is just a victory for the invaders.
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You mean, principles that we should do everything in our power to maintain mankind on BT? Inter-invasion, that would be via the extermination of Sint and Rio. But that's obviously not gonna happen any time soon. Any wars, at this point, is just a victory for the invaders.
Right, because Rio are the ones who have a history of allying with the invaders... :P
I finally understand how you come to that conclusion when you follow logic like "leading daimon armies will maintain humanity".
Anyway, where are those scout reports? I thought you ruskis were supposed to have your act together?
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Right, because Rio are the ones who have a history of allying with the invaders... :P
I finally understand how you come to that conclusion when you follow logic like "leading daimon armies will maintain humanity".
Anyway, where are those scout reports? I thought you ruskis were supposed to have your act together?
Only bankers actually asked for it, and they did so when I didn't have one.
Now I have one, but it has become clear that the rulers of the north just don't give a damn anyways. They'll just go "Oh, it's just 2000 CS, who cares if it's lead by Overlord and that they did some looting, clearly the invasion is far, far away!".
I might share it with Rio, though.
I haven't lead daimon armies in the past, btw, and only allied them to fight the monsters (fourth invasion) or lived with them as an observer to better understand them (third invasion).
And don't forget that I consider Rio and Meridian Republic to be one and the same.
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Now I have one, but it has become clear that the rulers of the north just don't give a damn anyways. They'll just go "Oh, it's just 2000 CS, who cares if it's lead by Overlord and that they did some looting, clearly the invasion is far, far away!".
2k is indeed very little. Sounds like an excellent chance to wound/capture that pompous daimon.
I haven't lead daimon armies in the past, btw, and only allied them to fight the monsters (fourth invasion) or lived with them as an observer to better understand them (third invasion).
You've been threatening to do it now though. ;)
And don't forget that I consider Rio and Meridian Republic to be one and the same.
I know that you do but that (like many other things) doesn't make it true even one bit. :)
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Take that as you will, OOC of course. You're free not to believe Guillaume IC but it's an indisputable fact from the player's perspective.
Meh... What's a little KRB between friends, eh?
Seriously, you guys are so jumpy. ;D
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2k is indeed very little. Sounds like an excellent chance to wound/capture that pompous daimon.
You've been threatening to do it now though. ;)
I know that you do but that (like many other things) doesn't make it true even one bit. :)
Daimon moved out right away, back into the blight, westward.
And yea, 2k ain't all that big, but with all the hordes we've had, our army ain't that big either. I suspect he'll have more pretty damn soon, though.
OOC, I kinda want this to be the last invasion, honestly. From my point of view, BT is on a serious decline. One of the big motors of fun with BT was how easy it was for new realms to come to be, at least for me. You were always dealing with different people. With half of the continent blighted, that just ain't possible anymore. But with the noble shortages, it seems almost impossible to settle all of the little we have. So what's gonna happen if we survive? Have more lands opened up, but realms won't be able to find enough people to make them live? Or reduce the available land once more, and end up with a continent with room for only two or three realms? That's not what BT is all about. I've had too much fun on the continent, but it seems to be gradually losing what made it great, and due to player decline (which we have no power over), it doesn't seem to me like this can be reverted. OOC, I would therefore much rather that BT be lost in this invasion in a glorious and epic way, than it barely survive only to limper on for another year before dying for good.
Now, IC, I obviously want it to survive. And despite what opponents claim, Fheuv'n actually has a strict Creed that all of its lords have sworn to which limits how the realm can deal with invaders, but the Chénier family is very revenge-oriented, so as the player of the family I already know that if they are defeated and that they perceive enemy realms to be the cause, then revenge upon these enemies will replace survival of mankind as the number one priority, and creative interpretation of various rules and events will be used to justify the new stance.
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Of course, everyone knows FEI is lying, because once we get done with Fronen, we'll tie up that loose end and make them beg. If they really want peace, they can simply acknowledge that they are a vassal of Sint and allow Sint to name their next head-of-state.
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Whoa, somebody put their big boy pants on today 8)
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I already called for continental peace.
And trust me, if I don't get it, I *will* pull a DoA and do all in my power to lead daimon units to bash everyone else myself.
The Enweili are the favored ones. If we aren't meant to bring civilization to Beluaterra, then we are meant to eradicate all mockeries of it. 8)
when you say pull a doa, it's not like you haven't actually played a netherworld character before...
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when you say pull a doa, it's not like you haven't actually played a netherworld character before...
How many from DOA ended up joining the monsters. I can think of 3, one of whom joined another realm before joining the monsters. Many more either joined Riombara or left the island completely.
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3rd son has gotten himself injured while preaching and so cannot be arrested. This doesn't stop him from moving around and preaching. Black Magic...
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3rd son has gotten himself injured while preaching and so cannot be arrested. This doesn't stop him from moving around and preaching. Black Magic...
Or a bug...
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Or a bug...
Or, you know, it's a GM-played character who purports to represent the Overlord. "Black magic" is another way of putting it. ;-)
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Once a character has been injured, there is a time period after they recover during which they cannot be arrested or attacked. I forget the specifics...
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How many from DOA ended up joining the monsters. I can think of 3, one of whom joined another realm before joining the monsters. Many more either joined Riombara or left the island completely.
How about almost all of them? MR was made for the sole purpose of siding with the monsters.
Or a bug...
"light wound", I suppose.
when you say pull a doa, it's not like you haven't actually played a netherworld character before...
Yea, for like, what, a total of a week or two, in-between invasions, as a result of a bug that switched me there against my will, as I was trying to defeat said daimons? That's hardly comparable.
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How about almost all of them? MR was made for the sole purpose of siding with the monsters.
"light wound", I suppose.
Yea, for like, what, a total of a week or two, in-between invasions, as a result of a bug that switched me there against my will, as I was trying to defeat said daimons? That's hardly comparable.
I was from DoA and never a part of MR, as were many others.
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I was from DoA and never a part of MR, as were many others.
Many were. And the Queen led monster units herself.
No realms move 100% together after a realm collapses, anyways.
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Once a character has been injured, there is a time period after they recover during which they cannot be arrested or attacked. I forget the specifics...
Yes but mr 3rd was up and running about one hour after he got wounded (which was when he was preaching in Tepmona). I definetly think magic is involved. Or possibly that he had a bandaid - this clever invention that only commoners seem to know about...
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Many were. And the Queen led monster units herself.
Um the Queen of KoA, remember she lost her position when the Alluran Theocracy formed, and then all mostly instantly folded to the player OTHER Duke Character. The King of DoA ended up in MR. If you are going to spout propaganda at least get the basic facts right, its so much easier to spin crap when you at least put some facts in.
No realms move 100% together after a realm collapses, anyways.
Probably best not to make statements like "They all ended up in MR" then isn't it.
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Sometimes after you get wounded in battle, injuries turn out to not be as bad as expected and you can immediately continue on with your duties. That might have happened here as well, if the same can happen with preachings.
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Sometimes after you get wounded in battle, injuries turn out to not be as bad as expected and you can immediately continue on with your duties. That might have happened here as well, if the same can happen with preachings.
Yup, and you can't be arrested and such while you have the "recovery" status so far as I know.
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Probably best not to make statements like "They all ended up in MR" then isn't it.
I didn't.
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How about almost all of them? MR was made for the sole purpose of siding with the monsters.
Close enough :) MR so far as I can work out was mostly formed by those that wanted to escape Delvin's vision of Riombara. The monsters were simply a way they could try and achieve that where the strength of their own numbers would not suffice, not that dissimilar to Enweil siding with the Daimons when the encountered a foe they couldn't stand against, only Enweil's foe was an invasion force when MR's foe was Rio.
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Sounds like Chenier should be madly in love with MR, since they opposed Rio and all.
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Sounds like Chenier should be madly in love with MR, since they opposed Rio and all.
Well they didn't bow to his wishes and declare Enweil to be supreme, you know how much he hates it when people don't do that.
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According to Chenier, MR was in league with Riombara as well, I believe ;)
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According to Chenier, MR was in league with Riombara as well, I believe ;)
Well of course, since really Rio supported the formation of MR. They were hedging their bets you see, half the realm stays allied with humans, the other half allies with invaders, and which ever one ends up looking the best gets to continue. Turns out in the end Riombara was the winner, had the monster invasion gone better I'm sure the nobles of Riombara would have joined MR.
I mean its TOTALLY LOGICAL, so long as we assume everyone in the game plays scheming characters with no concept of noble honour, but whom like to paint a thin veneer of "honour" upon their actions.
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Sounds like Chenier should be madly in love with MR, since they opposed Rio and all.
I guess you missed the parts where they did everything in their power to have Rio spared from the monsters? And where they helped supply the monsters to kill Avalon and cripple Enweil?
Yea, badass opposition there.
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I guess you missed the parts where they did everything in their power to have Rio spared from the monsters? And where they helped supply the monsters to kill Avalon and cripple Enweil?
Yea, badass opposition there.
Did you miss the part where Rio tried to take MR lands back by force? Its easy to pick elements of a conflict to support a point, its much harder to take an entire conflict and do so. It is one of the differences between blindly obvious and ineffective propaganda and effective propaganda.
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The people in Riombara hated MR. Certainly my character did, with a burning passion. However, we were in no position do anything about it during the invasion. Afterward we decided to be pragmatic and not brand everyone in MR a traitor since most of them simply followed their liege lords. We were selective about it, making sure that the chief plotters were not allowed to return unless they atoned. Mordred popped up not too long ago and got banned before he could say 'Hi, my name is _____'. Likewise we refused to accept Hylor Hobbs. Celyn Haethorne was already gone (paused or deleted), so was Hireshmont (sacrificed himself at a Temple of Light). The only two people in Riombara now who I would say were true partisans of MR are Yuri Ishimu (who returned with his region when Rines came back) and Nigel De La Fere. If I'd just pushed a little harder back when he first rejoined Riombara, Nigel wouldn't be there either. Everyone else either joined MR after it left Riombara or were knights/lords that went over to MR when their Dukes seceded.
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The people in Riombara hated MR. Certainly my character did, with a burning passion. However, we were in no position do anything about it during the invasion. Afterward we decided to be pragmatic and not brand everyone in MR a traitor since most of them simply followed their liege lords. We were selective about it, making sure that the chief plotters were not allowed to return unless they atoned. Mordred popped up not too long ago and got banned before he could say 'Hi, my name is _____'. Likewise we refused to accept Hylor Hobbs. Celyn Haethorne was already gone (paused or deleted), so was Hireshmont (sacrificed himself at a Temple of Light). The only two people in Riombara now who I would say were true partisans of MR are Yuri Ishimu (who returned with his region when Rines came back) and Nigel De La Fere. If I'd just pushed a little harder back when he first rejoined Riombara, Nigel wouldn't be there either. Everyone else either joined MR after it left Riombara or were knights/lords that went over to MR when their Dukes seceded.
To be fair Chenier was unlikely to know about the IC rage we had towards MR when we were able to do so little against them, and even if he did his character would likely pass it off as a political fakery. Then again I would have far less of a problem with his statements if he could learn to qualify them with "from enweils perspective". People are far less likely to get their OOC hackles raised if it doesn't seem like others are trying to tell them what their motivations where.
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Yup, my char hated MR and everything it stood for yet later had to compromise by accepting and helping to integrate some of the characters that initially betrayed Riombara.
Nigel's case is actually pretty stupid... he was exiled in MR's surrender treaty, together with hylor hobbs, squiggy schumacher, Ganelon Lefanis (Mordred was paused at that time) and maybe some others. He joined Rio anyway (don't really remember when or how) but due to inaction from the judge he was allowed to stay, then he paused so his case was kind of forgotten... Months later after Fernand's execution (his other char) he unpaused and well... nothing has really been done about it, despite indeed Evander trying to push for his banishment. Had I not been busy irl at that time Mithridates might have backed him up on it.
Now it just seems silly to dust off his case. :P
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Yup, my char hated MR and everything it stood for yet later had to compromise by accepting and helping to integrate some of the characters that initially betrayed Riombara.
Nigel's case is actually pretty stupid... he was exiled in MR's surrender treaty, together with hylor hobbs, squiggy schumacher, Ganelon Lefanis (Mordred was paused at that time) and maybe some others. He joined Rio anyway (don't really remember when or how) but due to inaction from the judge he was allowed to stay, then he paused so his case was kind of forgotten... Months later after Fernand's execution (his other char) he unpaused and well... nothing has really been done about it, despite indeed Evander trying to push for his banishment. Had I not been busy irl at that time Mithridates might have backed him up on it.
Now it just seems silly to dust off his case. :P
squiggy schumacher? That family was in enweil for some time, MR WAS A ENWEIL PLOT
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To be fair Chenier was unlikely to know about the IC rage we had towards MR when we were able to do so little against them, and even if he did his character would likely pass it off as a political fakery. Then again I would have far less of a problem with his statements if he could learn to qualify them with "from enweils perspective". People are far less likely to get their OOC hackles raised if it doesn't seem like others are trying to tell them what their motivations where.
Sure, and I have no problem with that.
I just sometimes wish that Dominic would acknowledge that we might actually be telling the truth OOC about just how little MR and Riombara were actually related.
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Sure, and I have no problem with that.
I just sometimes wish that Dominic would acknowledge that we might actually be telling the truth OOC about just how little MR and Riombara were actually related.
Completely agree, I'm just not holding my breath about it.
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I guess you missed the parts where they did everything in their power to have Rio spared from the monsters? And where they helped supply the monsters to kill Avalon and cripple Enweil?
Rio hated us. We didn't like them for their hate of us, but we preferred that Avalon died rather than Rio, so we tried to keep the monsters away from Rio for as long as we could.
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I propose the Iron Law of the Beluaterra Forum.
As a thread increases in length, the odds a realm being accused of siding with the invaders approaches one.
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I propose the Iron Law of the Beluaterra Forum.
As a thread increases in length, the odds a realm being accused of siding with the invaders approaches one.
Now we're just left to argue over the proper name: Sint's Law or Enweil's Law (Enweilaw)?
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I propose the Iron Law of the Beluaterra Forum.
As a thread increases in length, the odds a realm being accused of siding with the invaders approaches one.
I thought the law was that the odds of the discussion being hijacked by the Rio VS Enweil war was also aproaching one.
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The only two people in Riombara now who I would say were true partisans of MR are Yuri Ishimu (who returned with his region when Rines came back) and Nigel De La Fere.
basically the old anti-daimon thing.. doesn't really matter what realm it was.
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basically the old anti-daimon thing.. doesn't really matter what realm it was.
That's the MR spirit 8)