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Title: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Bael on January 20, 2012, 08:54:53 PM
I used to have character in the Eastern Continent, and I just noticed that Ibladesh has formed two new realms. How did  those secessions ever happen?
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Anaris on January 20, 2012, 09:01:53 PM
Ibladesh got herself pretty near destroyed by Caligus and Perdan.

From what little I hear (as a regular noble in Ibladesh), our leaders are basically buying a little more time before they come in and finish the job, because we won't agree to the surrender terms they're demanding (which would include, among other things, the destruction of the Church of Ibladesh, and a payment of 3000 gold/month to Perdan for...10 months, I think?).
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on January 20, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Plus 12 months of enforced peace, destruction of nearly every recruiting center in what little would remain of Ibladeshian land, and essentially complete subjugation to Perdan. The treaty terms were really brutal.

Not that Ibladesh didn't have it coming, after the way they started the war, with the explicit purpose of destroying both Perdan and Caligus. ;)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Arrakis on January 21, 2012, 01:31:27 PM
The only thing that is missing from the treaty is a one year long Ibladesh vassalage to Perdan, and the right to use our troops as Perdan auxiliary army. Quite humiliating. What we are pretty much doing right now is waiting for the final siege which will mark a completely new era on EC (with last theocracy going down and a whole bunch of IC history and culture going down the drain). Well done Perdan and Caligus!  :(
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Lorgan on January 21, 2012, 08:52:46 PM
What we are pretty much doing right now is waiting for the final siege which will mark a completely new era on EC (with last theocracy going down and a whole bunch of IC history and culture going down the drain). Well done Perdan and Caligus!  :(

Well, to be fair, Ibladesh would've totally destroyed perdan and caligus as well if things had gone differently. I don't think we would've even gone through the motions of offering a completely unacceptable peace treaty. They were to be replaced by theocracies and that was that.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Velax on January 21, 2012, 09:10:30 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how Ibladesh lost. When I joined Perdan 15 months ago, it seemed as though Ibladesh were easily capable of holding off Caligus with one hand while smashing Perdan with the other. But it seemed, at a certain point, Ibladesh just stopped fielding armies capable of facing Perdan, even though I noticed no drop in Ibladesh's CS on the stats page until relatively recently.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Lorgan on January 21, 2012, 09:26:03 PM
I'm not entirely sure since I kept getting deported and tried to enjoy the taste of AT a few times while I was there but my guess is Ibby's reserves just ran out...
Caligus and Perdan are both pretty strong realms and even though Ibladesh was powerful, it was just too much. As soon as the Diocese of Aix fell we were done for.
Had Ibladesh given Aix enough time to grow to a point where they could fend for themselves before declaring war, chances of victory would've been much greater. Congrats to Dobromir for provoking an early war declaration are in order.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Zakilevo on January 21, 2012, 09:53:51 PM
Ibladesh lost so many fights during the middle and later period of the war. Didn't they change their general like three times?
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Telrunya on January 21, 2012, 11:52:30 PM
Ibladesh Diplomacy was absolutely awful. My character tried to hint at it in private, but the deed was already done by then. Caligus very nicely provoked the War before DoA was ready. Ibladesh did well, but it went so at the cost of DoA. Ibladesh was winning, because DoA was incurring the losses. Ibladesh did well on her General Kazimir. After he left, it never really went right. We had like one more good General for a bit after that, but it was already too late by then. The 'surrender' terms were really too awful to accept for Ibladesh. They could have been accepted if they were less harsh, but Perdan/Caligus never really wanted Ibladesh to survive I figure. The awful diplomacy of Ibladesh was probably also a cause of that. That said, my character gave the Duke of Aix the go-ahead to sack the City of Aix after Ibladesh never really reacted on the idea of surrendering DoA's lands or using Aix to get some kind of Peace / agreement with Perdan. The destruction of their awesome Cavalry Center in Aix really hit a nerve with Perdan, more so then I ever expected.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Draco Tanos on January 22, 2012, 01:59:17 AM
I think your razing of Aix is what convinced Perdan to swear to destroy Ibladesh, actually. 
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on January 22, 2012, 02:15:59 AM
As lorgan says, Ibladesh went into the war with the explicit goal of wiping out both Perdan and Caligus. So complaining about how those two realms turned it around and wiped out Ibladesh is rather hypocritical. Especially after Ibladesh had just finished killing Itorunt.

Yeah, it sucks that your realm will probably die. But that's how the ball rolls sometimes. Find a new realm, and start plotting your revenge.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Telrunya on January 22, 2012, 02:30:51 AM
Ibladesh just wanted to fight Caligus, really. And felt like it needed to act after Fontan was attacked by them.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Velax on January 22, 2012, 03:46:08 AM
So complaining about how those two realms turned it around and wiped out Ibladesh is rather hypocritical. Especially after Ibladesh had just finished killing Itorunt.

Are any of them actually complaining? I thought they were being quite good sports about it, actually.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on January 22, 2012, 04:04:02 AM
There have been a couple grumbles.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: GoldPanda on January 22, 2012, 04:11:56 AM
OOC belly-aching doesn't count. ;)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Andrew on January 22, 2012, 07:08:00 AM
I miss the days of fighting the Ittys and the Ibbys back in like 2006. Ittyland is long gone, and official Ibbyland is soon to be no more.

I think I will ask for a moment of silence to remember all those that have died when we finally remove Ibbycity from Ibbyland.

When did Perdan stop calling them Ibbys anyways? I loved that nickname (if you can't tell :P).
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Bedwyr on January 22, 2012, 07:54:27 AM
Well, to be fair, Ibladesh would've totally destroyed perdan and caligus as well if things had gone differently. I don't think we would've even gone through the motions of offering a completely unacceptable peace treaty. They were to be replaced by theocracies and that was that.

And I thought that's what was going to happen.  I still don't have the slightest idea how it got turned around.  I joined Perdan explicitly because I thought it had no hope and wanted to enjoy riding down with the ship with a bloodthirsty Hero trying to make a name for himself in hopelessly one-sided battles.

He's on BT now, and finding all of that he could ever need, heh...
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Lorgan on January 22, 2012, 12:07:50 PM
I miss the days of fighting the Ittys and the Ibbys back in like 2006. Ittyland is long gone, and official Ibbyland is soon to be no more.

There's no such things as Itty's. Their proper name was Runts.

And I thought that's what was going to happen.  I still don't have the slightest idea how it got turned around.  I joined Perdan explicitly because I thought it had no hope and wanted to enjoy riding down with the ship with a bloodthirsty Hero trying to make a name for himself in hopelessly one-sided battles.

He's on BT now, and finding all of that he could ever need, heh...

Sinking ship? Hopelessly one-sided battles? On BT? What are you talking about?!
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Andrew on January 22, 2012, 01:05:51 PM
Maybe I made that one up myself then. I do remember Runts now that you say it though. *shrug*
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Bael on January 22, 2012, 01:07:13 PM
Ibladesh lost so many fights during the middle and later period of the war. Didn't they change their general like three times?

Indeed - for some reason they kept on losing, even though they had the edge in the battles. I think it went downhill after about 5 losses when they should have won.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Bedwyr on January 23, 2012, 05:36:12 AM
Sinking ship? Hopelessly one-sided battles? On BT? What are you talking about?!

Rhennthyl joined Perdan when it was barely holding the line against DoA while Caligus was getting pounded into rubble by Ibladesh.  I expected that as Caligus cracked more and more troops would hit Perdan and it would start collapsing, and I thought it would be fun to ride that out.  After sacking, what was it, Semall? for the second time, Rhennthyl was bored with winning, and sailed off the BT to fight the Daimons, and he's delighted to be fighting gigantic armies of demons from hell.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: DoctorHarte on January 27, 2012, 07:46:18 AM
I was part of Ibladesh as Priest Clarence through-out most of the war with Perdan and Caligus. Although Priest Clarence ended his life due to religious strife and grievances, during his 43 years in Ibladesh, it was clear that the turning point in the war was when our Paladin Primus Kazimir left the game. He was excellent and managed to help DoA survive while successfully attacking Isadril and turning around the next turn to lay waste to Caligus military.

However, he left after BM started to take over his life (you know what I mean) and Generals were active, quick, and had great ideas, but following through with them didn't work out so well. Once DoA fell, Perdan gain a lot of strength and from then on Ibladesh was outmatched.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Regulus Blackmore on February 07, 2012, 03:40:26 AM
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: T Strike on February 27, 2012, 01:50:05 AM
What if the two new Ibladesh seceeded realms went to war for fun... Now that most of the EI is at peace. (Yes, I am in some way starting a war ;) )
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on March 01, 2012, 02:23:08 AM
What if the two new Ibladesh seceeded realms went to war for fun... Now that most of the EI is at peace. (Yes, I am in some way starting a war ;) )
There wont be peace for long... Something, something about to happen  8)

Letter from Brock Ketchum   (4 days ago)
Message sent to everyone in your realm (38 recipients)
This is a joke. Tell me it is not. Dame of Fontan...

Battle in Abadan (7 hours, 41 minutes ago)
(rogue) vs. Caligus
Estimated strengths: 10 men vs. 100 men
Lillian Flame (Dame of Fontan) is spotted wearing the Sacred Crown of Beauty.

Defender Victory!
Brock Ketchum
Minister of Finance of Fontan
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Velax on March 01, 2012, 08:45:20 AM
What am I missing? Why does that indicate war?
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on March 01, 2012, 01:50:28 PM
He's just showing that Caligus still owns Fontan's namesake city. Fontan is not happy about this. Too bad for them thay they're utterly incapable of doing anything about it...
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on March 02, 2012, 01:39:59 AM
He's just showing that Caligus still owns Fontan's namesake city. Fontan is not happy about this. Too bad for them thay they're utterly incapable of doing anything about it...
You catch my drift well...... ;D

Maybe, maybe not. All it takes is a few hit to their heads, and they will be sorted  ::)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on March 02, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Having had a character in Fontan, recently seeing the state of the realm, and having a good feel for the political climate there, I'm fairly certain that Fontan has zero prospects for expansion. They're a small realm with big neighbors. No one likes them, and they hate everyone. Caligus has no active wars, and no prospects for finding a serious threat to their power, unless they have another falling out with Perdan. No way Fontan could stand against Caligus. Now, if Fontan could somehow make friends with Westmoor, that might be different. But even then... it's Westmoor, so it's not like they're a threat to anyone. And the only people Fontan hate more than Westmoor are Sirionites.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Lorgan on March 02, 2012, 02:22:28 PM
It's a good thing Ibladesh died in stead of becoming the next Fontan.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Peri on March 02, 2012, 02:32:36 PM
It's a good thing Ibladesh died in stead of becoming the next Fontan.
The winners were merciful, then. It's a subtly satisfying to see your hatred enemy languish forever.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: GoldPanda on March 02, 2012, 08:21:50 PM
Having had a character in Fontan, recently seeing the state of the realm, and having a good feel for the political climate there, I'm fairly certain that Fontan has zero prospects for expansion. They're a small realm with big neighbors. No one likes them, and they hate everyone. Caligus has no active wars, and no prospects for finding a serious threat to their power, unless they have another falling out with Perdan. No way Fontan could stand against Caligus. Now, if Fontan could somehow make friends with Westmoor, that might be different. But even then... it's Westmoor, so it's not like they're a threat to anyone. And the only people Fontan hate more than Westmoor are Sirionites.

Or maybe that's exactly what we wanted you to think. ;)

A party spontaneously broke out in Fontan after Ralina left. It wasn't planned. Nobles just saw the message, and then brought out their cake and alcohol. It was the first time in a long time that the whole realm could agree on something: That Ralina was a whining bastard and the realm was better off without her. It was glorious.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on March 02, 2012, 08:25:01 PM
It's always nice to know you're character is loved. :P (Though I do agree, she is a whiny bitch sometimes.)

Fontan can enjoy their party. That's fine with me. It's like that string quartet in the movie Titanic, fiddling away while the ship sinks, cause there's [email protected]#$ else for them to do.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Sonya on March 09, 2012, 09:08:11 PM
But even then... it's Westmoor, so it's not like they're a threat to anyone.

That was a mean!
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on March 21, 2012, 09:52:53 AM
It's a good thing Ibladesh died in stead of becoming the next Fontan.
Surely become next Fontan ain't that bad  :P

If EC history on Battlemaster Wikipedia is recalled correctly, I remember Yssaria at one point reduced Caligus almost to ashes. Only Perdan intervention prevented Caligus demise. Later on, Caligus finally got their acts together and defeated their long-time nemesis, Yssaria. If Caligus could come back from being dead and buried for good, why not Fontan? Think positive  ;)

It's always nice to know you're character is loved. :P (Though I do agree, she is a whiny bitch sometimes.)

Fontan can enjoy their party. That's fine with me. It's like that string quartet in the movie Titanic, fiddling away while the ship sinks, cause there's [email protected]#$ else for them to do.
Dont be too sure  8)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on March 21, 2012, 02:24:25 PM
If EC history on Battlemaster Wikipedia is recalled correctly, I remember Yssaria at one point reduced Caligus almost to ashes.
Yes, the end of the Great War on EC. The allied north/south federations pretty much destroyed the heartland alliance. Oligarch did die. Caligus and Perdan surrendered. Part of the treaty was that Perdan gave the city of Partora to Caligus, and Caligus gave all their old regions to Yssaria.

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Only Perdan intervention prevented Caligus demise. Later on, Caligus finally got their acts together and defeated their long-time nemesis, Yssaria. If Caligus could come back from being dead and buried for good, why not Fontan? Think positive  ;)
Perdan came back from two such surrenders, to return to the top of the heap on EC both times. That's why it's always better to surrender before you're completely destroyed. Unfortunately too people have stiff necks, and refuse to admit that they got their asses kicked.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Zakilevo on March 21, 2012, 06:51:18 PM
I wonder if Sirion ever surrendered once.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on April 04, 2012, 04:58:42 AM
As I predicted, the peace has been shattered. In a literal sense and perhaps forcing all the realms to take sides no matter what is the outcome of Westmoor vs Fontan 1 on 1 war 8)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: T Strike on April 04, 2012, 05:17:42 AM
It wasn't even predictable, it was obviously going to happen because Fontan didn't want to except peace agreements.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on April 05, 2012, 03:47:39 AM
It wasn't even predictable, it was obviously going to happen because Fontan didn't want to except peace agreements.
Then that explain why old Gregor got a heart attack the other day when he scouted our lands and saw a massive assembled Fontan army  :P
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: T Strike on April 05, 2012, 04:27:24 AM
I'm sure he wouldn't have scouted if there would have been peace.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Draco Tanos on April 05, 2012, 04:40:55 AM
Then that explain why old Gregor got a heart attack the other day when he scouted our lands and saw a massive assembled Fontan army  :P
I doubt he saw much of anything.  He's known for randomly walking through Fontan with his guards.  Not to mention that to scout the lands of Fontan we don't NEED to enter your territory.

You realize he was specifically not returned to Dukeship, right?  Much to his complaint.

I love how some people seem to think he has all this power in Westmoor...
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on April 05, 2012, 04:59:54 AM
I doubt he saw much of anything.  He's known for randomly walking through Fontan with his guards.  Not to mention that to scout the lands of Fontan we don't NEED to enter your territory.

You realize he was specifically not returned to Dukeship, right?  Much to his complaint.

I love how some people seem to think he has all this power in Westmoor...
Forgive my ignorance then as that is what opinion Fontan people including my character Brock IC seeing Gregor as. We have been misled, but I will just ignore that. As this information coming out of you is OOC and we are playing IC, not OOC game 8)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Draco Tanos on April 05, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
Considering you people spout it OOC like it's true, that says a lot about you. =P
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on April 06, 2012, 04:24:35 AM
It seems all players of Westmoor and Fontan have too much going on. And this will have to be settle IC in game., and if we wish to continue talking about both realms, we might as well go to another post.

This post is about Ibladesh by the way  ::)

How the newly created realms carved from Ibladesh doing? Would like to hear everyone opinions on them  :)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on April 06, 2012, 04:37:43 AM
Eponllyn is still building and getting established.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on April 09, 2012, 02:36:32 PM
So is Armonia if I not mistaken. Our realm Trader just ask my Banker character for sell food there :)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Uzamaki on April 21, 2012, 01:30:52 AM
If Armonia capitalizes on the rogue regions around it(namely Ibladesh City) then they could be a powerhouse. I could see them even warring with Caligus over Isadril eventually, and winning. But that is if they capitalize on the rogue regions and if Perdan and Caligus don't decide to interfere with them in these early stages of development.

Eponllyn I see more of as a breadbasket Trader realm. They can get a couple more rural regions, but that would be stretching their nobles thin. They have a couple decent cities but, barring the possibility that they team up with Armonia and possibly another realm against Perdan, I don't see them becoming a powerhouse.

But in order for my hypotheses to play out, we need Ibladesh to die already(no offense Ibladeshians, but you had it coming after waging a 2 on 1 total war).
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on April 21, 2012, 02:17:00 AM
Perdan and Caligus are not yet letting anyone take Ibladesh city. If anyone does before these two war machines bless the TO, they will get pummeled.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Uzamaki on April 21, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
Perdan and Caligus are not yet letting anyone take Ibladesh city. If anyone does before these two war machines bless the TO, they will get pummeled.

Eh, Armonia can probably slip in once Perdan and Caligus finally find a reason to venture North. ;D
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Draco Tanos on April 21, 2012, 09:32:31 PM
And then the moment their task is done, they'll crush all of Armonia.

/me golf-claps.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Uzamaki on April 22, 2012, 12:33:44 AM
And then the moment their task is done, they'll crush all of Armonia.

/me golf-claps.

Maybe so, maybe not. You see, Caligus and Perdan benefitted greatly because Ibladesh's South side and seceded/fell apart. However, Armonia and Eponllyn are on the South side of the lake, and therefore a lot farther away from Perdan and Caligus' capital. Supposing they made a puppet, Armonia and Eponllyn could be locked in an Itorunt-Ibladesh style war with the other three. It won't be as easy as you think.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Indirik on April 22, 2012, 12:51:34 AM
You see, Caligus and Perdan benefitted greatly because Ibladesh's South side and seceded/fell apart.
They had already lost the war long before the secessions.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Uzamaki on April 22, 2012, 01:03:41 AM
They had already lost the war long before the secessions.

Yes, because they kept hold of Ibladesh and their Northern regions when they should have fled into their Southern regions. Stupid tactics on their part.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Lorgan on April 22, 2012, 01:09:55 AM
Stupid tactics yes. But not because of that. Ibladesh failed militarily practically the entire war through, that and getting provoked to start the war prematurely (before aix was ready) is the reason we lost.
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on April 22, 2012, 06:48:29 AM
All Ibladesh seceded realms going get crush soon. Stay tuned for more news on southland!  :o
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Sonya on April 22, 2012, 06:52:13 AM
All Ibladesh seceded realms going get crush soon. Stay tuned for more news on southland!  :o

Tomake new ones, with same nobles, and start again over and over?........Huraaaah!.......  ???
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Lefanis on May 27, 2012, 05:37:21 PM
Here's an idea- Epollyn takes Ibladesh! It's not like Armonia can feed it  ;)
Title: Re: Ibladesh secessions
Post by: Ketchum on May 28, 2012, 02:49:15 AM
As my character is too old to survive the journey from Fontan in the north to Ibladesh seceded Armonia and Epollyn in the south, with the Caligus lands in between, I have to send him far away. He has said his goodbye piece to Fontan 8)

Now what if, I say if because Armonia and Epollyn are still rebuilding. What if Armonia and Epollyn attack Caligus from the south, and Sirion attach from the north? Now that would be interesting ;)