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BattleMaster => Locals => East Island => Topic started by: Velax on February 27, 2012, 01:31:23 PM
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Even though my EC character is in Perdan, I just thought the final demise of such a long lasting and once powerful realm deserved at least a post on the forum in remembrance.
RIP Ibladesh. You fought bravely and you fought well.
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When I first joined, just over 6 years ago, Perdan was in a fierce war with Ibladesh. I fondly remember Perdan's >40K CS army sitting in Ibladesh city, looting it for three or 4 days straight. It's kind of odd that nearly 5 years after that, my character missed seeing the death of Ibladesh, having been killed in the opening skirmishes of the war she declared. :(
But, hey: Go go Atanamir! Nice dedication to the new forts in Castle Ubent. :P You have to send me a copy so I can post it on my wiki page.
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It is nice to see players paying their respect to Ibladesh. For me it was a very important realm since I've made some of my first successful characters there and I've devoted much time to Ibladesh in the last 3 years. I think Ibladesh gave a lot of good stuff to EC, especially in terms of war. Ibbies were the best enemy there is and Perdan-Ibladesh wars have been more or less constant for many years. In BM it is actually hard to find a good enemy, and I think Perdan and the rest of the continent will now have a harder time finding such a foe. It will be definitely interesting to observe how will the political situation of EC evolve from now on, and what will the two new Ibby split-offs do. As for Ibladesh, I am sorry to see it gone, but heck, it is all a part of the rich history of East Continent.
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This war and it's prelude has, in my opinion, earned itself a place amongst the most epic stories of BM.
How Ibladesh managed to subjugate it's nemesis Itorunt after countless wars, in fact stealing it's ally Caligus, and then rose to become the largest, richest realm I've ever seen, turning on Caligus out of thirst for heathen blood and imperial conquest only to see it's power crumble and it's star fade in what often seemed like an endless war was truly tragic and oh so epic.
We went into the war out for the destruction of Perdan and Caligus and we paid with our Church and Empire and it was all worth it just for a chance for victory. If victory had come... I don't think we could've been stopped anymore. EC would've become an endless war of Ibladesh vs. Sirion and it would've been, again, epic. :)
Now the end has come, I'm glad I was part of it for practically the entire war.
Praise Tersea!
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Yeah, it was a great story. Kudos to Ibladesh for trying to RTO the entire island. It wasn't the idea that was bad, just the planning/execution. OOC it is a bit sad to see Ibladesh die, even if IC my character would have been happy. If those accursed robe-wearing Ibby's hadn't killed her! >:( ;D
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Now only Sirion is the biggest and wealthiest realm on EC muwhahahaha!
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Ibby made the mistake of reaching out to Fontan as a northern ally when in truth they should have focused on Sirion all along.
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Because Sirion was allied with Caligus at the moment. That is why they went for Fontan and SoA.
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Alliances shift and change all the time. Besides, they should have been courting Sirion long before Caligius ended their war with Sirion.
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Ibladesh could not have broken Sirion away from Caligus. Not that talking isn't a good thing. But there are some things that just aren't going to happen, no matter how hard you try. Besides, at the time Fontan wasn't doing too bad. It was Caligus' attack an Fontan city that really broke Fontans back.
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Uh no. Caligus didn't attack the city. We attacked first then they attacked to claim it. At least they took the city so we could move on to the next target.
Ibladesh didn't even bother to be friendly with Sirion. After they beat down Perdan they got too cocky to even befriend any other realm.
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Uh no. Caligus didn't attack the city. We attacked first then they attacked to claim it. At least they took the city so we could move on to the next target.
Ibladesh didn't even bother to be friendly with Sirion. After they beat down Perdan they got too cocky to even befriend any other realm.
To befriend Sirion may have well been seen as to abandon their current ally of Fontan. Perhaps they thought such an act was ignoble.
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The simple fact of the matter Ibladesh could not win on a to front war against two powerhouse realms and really if Ibladesh could have gotten Westmoor to attack Perdan from behind. The war would have turned out quite differently.
No offense to players in Caligus but Perdan had a vastly stronger military then Caligus but Ibladesh choose to ignore Perdan at the beginning of the war and keep claiming they did not need to bother with Perdan because DOA could take us. That was a fatal mistake they allowed for us in Perdan to build up our strength and without worrying about looting in our regions we could focus all our efforts on DOA and after we killed DOA Ibladesh had no chance Perdan was just to strong for them to win against us and fight Caligus at the same time
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The simple fact of the matter Ibladesh could not win on a to front war against two powerhouse realms and really if Ibladesh could have gotten Westmoor to attack Perdan from behind. The war would have turned out quite differently.
Westmoor have had other issues to deal with. Like Fontan/Sirion. At least in the time I've been there - someone else would be more qualified to comment about further back than my nine months or so in the game.
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Westmoor attacked northern regions of Caligus. Sirion attacked Westmoor's mobile forces several times. We were keeping all three northern realms busy :)
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Uh no. Caligus didn't attack the city.
Sirion attacked Fontan city and looted it some times, but never damaging it too seriously. The city became seriously threatened once Sirion secured Karbala.
So with Sirion thinking about their next move after Karbala, Caligus declared war on Fontan, took over An Najaf (if that's the name), successfully breached Fontan city but then found itself with too few men to pull a takeover through, because Westmoor was in the meantime attacking Viseu - key region for Caligus - backed by Fontan's remaining army and there had been a rather poor coordination with Sirion's armies at that moment.
Fontan never really recovered from that, they RTO'd An Najaf but weren't able to stabilise it, with Sirion regularly roaming the Viseu/Oporto area, and neither were they able to garrison Fontan city decently again with Sirion making sure to clean the militia every time it appeared (Sirion was in control of Karbala at that time, not firmly but still had it).
The conclusion is that Sirion took over Negev and Fontan city, handing the latter over to Caligus, too busy on the southern front to claim the city on its own.
I don't think that caligus' attack broke Fontan's back, given that Sirion already controlled Karbala and vastly outnumbered Fontan already back then, but it certainly sped up incredibly their demise, adding a considerable amount of gold to Caligus' income as a consequence.
And to those who said Ibladesh should have tried to overpass Caligus in his relations with Sirion: Caligus saved Sirion's ass by declaring war on Perdan with unquestionable timing (the nice loophole in the treaty, Indirik you should remember that :P). Ibladesh was rather friendly, but never did or thought about doing something vaguely similar. They bought some food from us, that's all. There was no match there.
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With Perdan out of the great war, Sirion wiped the floor clean :) God it took so long until we finally defeated Fontan's main force. I remember staying around Viseu area for two weeks at a time. Fun times.
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Sirion would never have sided with Ibladesh. We owed Caligus for saving our bacon by declaring war on Westmoor when we had five nations armies on our doorstep and Ibladesh was making Evil Empire noises. Caligus/Perdan were still underdogs against Ibladesh and the whole operation of taking Fontan C for Caligus was very much because Caligys anticipated Ibladesh attack and needed the extra resources Fontan C would bring to stand against them.
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And to those who said Ibladesh should have tried to overpass Caligus in his relations with Sirion: Caligus saved Sirion's ass by declaring war on Perdan with unquestionable timing (the nice loophole in the treaty, Indirik you should remember that :P).
I was robbed! I was right, and everyone knows. Tricksy Caligans... Should have wiped them out when I had the chance....
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The simple fact of the matter Ibladesh could not win on a to front war against two powerhouse realms
When the war started, Perdan was anything but a powerhouse. We were very weak. DoA alone would probably have stalemated us for a long time. It wasn't until after we killed DoA and recaptured Aix that we picked up steam.
and really if Ibladesh could have gotten Westmoor to attack Perdan from behind. The war would have turned out quite differently.
Religious tensions prevented a Ibby/Westmoor alliance from ever growing too strong. The state religions of each realm considered the other's state religion as evil. Westmoor tried to strong-arm both Perdan and Caligus, but we told them that we weren't going to discuss anything until after the war with Ibby was over. Westmoor tried to stab Caligus in the back, but was as (un)successful as always.
No offense to players in Caligus but Perdan had a vastly stronger military then Caligus
Umm... no. When Ibby declared war on Caligus, Caligus was much stronger than Perdan.
but Ibladesh choose to ignore Perdan at the beginning of the war and keep claiming they did not need to bother with Perdan because DOA could take us. That was a fatal mistake they allowed for us in Perdan to build up our strength and without worrying about looting in our regions we could focus all our efforts on DOA and after we killed DOA Ibladesh had no chance Perdan was just to strong for them to win against us and fight Caligus at the same time
I do agree that not taking out Perdan at the beginning of the war was a mistake.
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Itorunts soul is now resting in peace :P
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Religious tensions prevented a Ibby/Westmoor alliance from ever growing too strong. The state religions of each realm considered the other's state religion as evil. Westmoor tried to strong-arm both Perdan and Caligus, but we told them that we weren't going to discuss anything until after the war with Ibby was over. Westmoor tried to stab Caligus in the back, but was as (un)successful as always.
Westmoor's politics at the time were... erm... confusing.
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I remember the back-to-back-to-back rebellions in Westmoor. Ahh, good times. I think if they weren't so undecided regarding Perdan/Fontan, it could have swung the war around against Sirion.
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You mean if Westmoor hadn't gone to war with Caligus twice? Maybe it would've been enough to drag the war into a stalemate, but Sirion's geography makes it damn near invulnerable.
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We are still there. And Ibladesh will rise again!
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We are still there. And Ibladesh will rise again!
I don't see Ibladesh making any noise any time soon... But who knows? Maybe when the going gets tough...
All my characters have been on the North side of the island, so I really haven't dealt with the Ibbies much. Will be sad to see one of the only true Theocracies go though. :(
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You mean if Westmoor hadn't gone to war with Caligus twice? Maybe it would've been enough to drag the war into a stalemate, but Sirion's geography makes it damn near invulnerable.
Not with the new estate system and a little creative planning ::)
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Not with the new estate system and a little creative planning ::)
Sirion can be taken down. You just need to bribe the gatekeeper at one of their walls.
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Sirion can be taken down. You just need to bribe the gatekeeper at one of their walls.
Well that's certainly one way to get a foot in the door...
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(Bring Sirion down from within!)
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How about new realms called West Sirion and East Sirion?
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Someone once tried it but no one went with him. Poor guy. No one in Sirion wanted to split the realm into two.
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I can't really see why anyone would.
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I was under the impression that West Sirion lasted for a while. The original rulers got overthrown though and it morphed into Avamar, which Sirion eventually destroyed.
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I was under the impression that West Sirion lasted for a while. The original rulers got overthrown though and it morphed into Avamar, which Sirion eventually destroyed.
I was too...
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Sirion is close to impenetrable, with the only way across the river is barred by cities (Sirion and Avamar), and the northern passage can be quickly covered by an army moving from the capital. It's not totally impossible, though - Fontan managed to take Avamar once during the war.
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With a huge 100 noble army...
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True, taking Avamar was an immense undertaking and holding it was a logistical nightmare. However later when Fontan's military was already weakened by the Civil War we still raided as far as Glinmar on two separate occasions and that was with the military command actively opposed to the ventures. With their support such a strategy might have borne more substantial fruit.
A realm in control of Ashforth and with a willingness to use all forms of warfare in combination could certainly force the passage and do serious damage. It would still require good planning, a large element of luck and a disciplined military.
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It is sad when a realm is made fun of being weak when they used to be the most powerful, and was feared by everyone. Imagine if the events that caused Fontan to lose it's strength never occured? Maybe there would have been a very different map than there is today. You could even go as far as thinking, what if Ibladesh wouldn't have been littered with inactive nobles and it kept Perdan at bay until a HUGE mistake occured on the Perdanese map.
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Did katayanna lock the Fontan thread because it started talking about Fontan's end? That's a bit lame...
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Some people take it very personally when a realm dies. I'm rather sad myself as Fontan's classic period was fantastic fun but all things come to an end eventually.
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She should keep her personal feelings to herself, then. It's not very good form when admins use their powers for biased reasons.
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Katayanna isn't an admin. The creator of a thread is capable of locking it. Still incredibly lame, though, in this case.